LeakyMug #5

On our November 23rd, 2005 edition of The Leaky Mug…

  • The mug is leaking!
  • Melissa comes in a bit late but brings in some special guests
  • Jamie Waylett sings the Leaky/MuggleNet rap
  • Matthew Lewis lays out his shipping couples
  • We make another big announcement: another live podcast!
  • The hosts of MuggleCast and PotterCast are hitting Las Vegas for THE live podcast event of 2006
  • Our show will be held at the Lumos 2006 Symposium, July 27th-30th
  • Melissa explains the ugly side of podcasting fame
  • Ben insists we’re not famous
  • We reminisce over our NYC memories
  • Note to world: Melissa is an experienced Manhattan driver
  • Yo! Yeah! Alright! Yo!

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MuggleCast EP16 Transcript


Ben [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast – Episode 16 for November 20, 2005. This week’s show is sponsored in part by GoDaddy.com. Get your own piece of the Internet and save money along the way. For a limited time, GoDaddy.com is offering a new domain name, transfers and renewals for just $1.99 with every new non-domain product you buy. Choose from hosting, website builders, e-mail accounts and much more! Plus take an additional 10% off any order simply by entering “Muggle.” That’s M-U-G-G-L-E in your cart at check-out. So, visit GoDaddy.com and save big.

Now, let’s get to the show. Hello, everybody! Welcome to Episode 16 of MuggleCast. I’m Ben Schoen and I am back from a nice little break. I took about four episodes off there.

[All laugh]

Eric: And slept in the one he came back on.

Ben: Yeah, you guys saw the LIVE podcast and all of that.

[All laugh]

Andrew: He didn’t sleep.

Kevin: He was close to it.

Ben: I’m Ben Schoen.

Andrew: I’m Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I’m Kevin Steck.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Ben: Yeah, everybody. Micah’s here this week. We’re fresh off of…well, not exactly, last weekend.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: A week-long high!

Kevin: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah, we went to, we were all in New York City together and we had a complete blast walking around Times Square at what? 1:30 in the morning, messing around?

Eric: 2:30 AM.

Ben: Yeah, it was really late. It was quite, quite fun. Everyone pretty much had the times of their lives except Micah because he didn’t say much.

Andrew: Micah?


Micah: I was sick.

Ben: He was sick.

Eric: Micah was sick. Micah did the most talking actually.

Ben: I got sick too, but we won’t go into that. Okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Kevin: He was talking to us, Ben. I don’t know about you.

Eric: Yeah, he was just ignoring you.

Ben: He was just ignoring you.

Kevin: He was just ignoring you. Yeah.

Ben: Okay, well since Micah’s here in the conversation this week, before we get into any other announcements, I think we’ll have him do this week’s news.


Micah: Goblet of Fire has finally hit theaters in both the US and UK. According to the Box Office Mojo, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire collected a staggering $36 million on its opening day, just two million behind Prisoner of Azkaban.

Some of the stars made a few live appearances this weekend. Matt Lewis (Neville), Jamie Waylett (Crabbe), and Devon Murray (Seamus) all greeted fans Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at the National Comic Book, Art, and Sci-Fi Expo in New York City. Additionally, James and Oliver Phelps (Fred and George) were at the Hollywood Boulevard Theater in Woodridge, Illinois yesterday signing autographs.

Empire Magazine has conducted a series of interviews over the past week with members of the cast and crew including Michael Gambon, David Heyman and Mike Newell.

Of course you can check out tons of pictures, video clips, and other interviews Goblet of Fire-related over on MuggleNet’s Main Page.

Our New York City Podcast at Barnes & Noble in Union Square was a huge success. The New York Post wrote a great article on the event, and you can check out a gallery of close to 200 pictures from last weekend. Transcript and video of the event are coming shortly.

Finally, TIME Magazine has asked visitors to start voting on who they think should be featured as their Person of the Year, and one person under consideration is JK Rowling. The Potter author is up against U2 lead singer Bono (so Andrew is going to have a hard time deciding), Steve Jobs, The Google Guys, and Mother Nature herself in relation to Hurricane Katrina. TIME’s choice will be revealed on December 18th.

That’s all the news for this November 20, 2005 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Ben: That was wonderful, Micah.


Ben: Now, I think we have a few announcements to make…maybe. We have a major announcement, but you won’t be able to listen to it here, you’ll have to go over and download the Special Edition of MuggleCast, which will probably be…oh, sorry, excuse me. It’s called “The Leaky Mug,” which will be out later this week. We announce another LIVE podcast, and it is going to be quite a blast. You’re all going to be invited and it’s going to be quite fun. Andrew, do you have anything else to add? I don’t know, is there anything else we need to say?

Eric: Yeah…

Andrew: Back to you, Ben!

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: How about thanks to everybody who came out to New York because it was the best weekend of my life and it probably should have been the best weekend of all your lives too.

Ben: Mhm. Oh, it was. I’m telling you.

Andrew: Yay!

Ben: So Andrew…

Eric: Even though you guys all got to see the movie, and you know, I didn’t, but…

[All mocking Andrew from LIVE show]

Ben: Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Eric: Yeah! Yeah!

Kevin: Yeah!

Andrew: Ben, you got really annoying with that at the LIVE show.

Eric: Micah and I stayed and manned the fort for MuggleNet at the Barnes & Noble, which went flawless, pretty much. And, do we have video of that yet? Guys, do we have…?

Ben: It’ll, I think it’ll be up soon.

Kevin: Yeah, we’re working on it.

Eric: Let’s hope.

Andrew: Well, we need to talk with the woman of video, but we do have a couple of announcements.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Exposure announcements.

Eric: Ooh!

Andrew: Well, first of all, as we boasted about on the Main Page we finally, finally, finnnaaallllllyyy got mentioned on the iTunes Main Page under “New and Notable.”

Ben: Right.

Kevin: It only took how many months?

Andrew: It’s about time. I am really glad they finally gave us the plug. Our server, Limelight Media Networks, actually helped us get on there. So, that’s really cool. I am kind of sad now because now I can’t brag that we’re the No. 1 unpromoted podcast. [Laughs]

Kevin: Yeah. [Laughs]

Ben: But still…

Andrew: But still, it’s cool.

Kevin: We were the No. 1 unpromoted podcast.

Andrew: We’re at No. 15 right now.

Eric: Not bad.

Ben: Yeah, right before we got promoted on the list iTunes “New and Notable,” we moved up to No. 15. Excuse me, we moved up to No. 20, and then once we got promoted, all of a sudden we shot up to No. 15.

Andrew: No. 15.

And now we’re No. 14, right now.

Eric: And strangely that was right after Ben started to leave the cast.

Ben: Ohhh.

Andrew: Nooo.

Eric: No no no.

Ben: That hurt, Eric.

Eric: Ben, Ben is awesome.

Andrew: Of course though Goblet of Fire has been all over the news this week.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: And we’ve been mentioned in some places. You know? We’ve gotten a little plug.

Ben: Mhm. There was an article, there was an article in the New York Post where they covered the LIVE podcast and they basically, they basically butchered of all of our quotes. They said that… When Andrew introduced Kevin he said, “backwards compatible with everything but basic HTML.”

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: What’s wrong with that?

Ben: And the New York Post… Hold on, hold on. The New York Post misinterpreted us as saying, “Basically compatible with everything, but basic HTML.”

[Ben and Kevin laugh]

Ben: I don’t know. It was just they butchered some quotes.

Kevin: That does not sound good.

Ben: But, it was good to get the media attention. It was quite fun.

Micah: They couldn’t even spell Voldemort or say Voldemort. Do you know that?

Ben: You-Know-Who.

Micah: It was Valdemort.

Ben: Valdemort? [Laughs]

Eric: Valdemort? Oh god.

Ben: Okay.

Andrew: We were also mentioned on a Swedish radio the other day. They were talking, they were saying how we should or they should check out MuggleCast, which is pretty cool.

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: I don’t have the name of the person who pointed it out specifically, but thanks for letting us know. See, we were even mentioned in Sweden.

Eric: That’s really cool.

Andrew: Who would have “nod”…known?

Kevin: “Nod”?

Andrew: “Nod.”

Eric: And now we’ve all actually seen each other, which is really cool. Seeing all you guys and hanging out in Emerson’s hotel room. That was cool beans.

Kevin: It was.

Andrew: [Laughs] Emerson’s hotel room.

Ben: It was my hotel room.

Kevin: It was our hotel room.

Eric: Well, right.

Ben: I had the hotel room.

Andrew: And then of course, it was funny because one thing, like when we were walking around Times Square, I kept thinking that we were going to be spotted. Like a fan would come up and say, “Hey, I know you guys.” Blah blah blah.

Eric: But, nobody! Andrew and I were talking.

Andrew: Nobody did. But, wait. But, wait. The day after on Sunday, we got spotted about three times.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Once at our hotel room, once on the streets somewhere random, and once in the NBC Experience Store. [Laughs]

Eric: That’s because the girl there had just been to the podcast. [Laughs]

Kevin: And Micah got spotted walking me to the Port Authority.

Micah: Walking you to… Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, really? So, four times.

Eric: Yeah. That’s really cool.

Andrew: That’s funny.

Ben: Interesting. So, the LIVE podcast was a success, and we are going to do it again. For details on that, once again listen to the latest joint podcast between the The Leaky Cauldron and MuggleNet.

Andrew: Right.

Kevin: That you left me out of. Okay, so.

Ben: Oh yeah, the one I accidentally left Kevin out of. Sorry, Kevin.

Eric: And me. And me. And me.

Ben: And Eric. And Micah. Sorry, everybody.

Kevin: Okay.

Ben: Andrew, we recently did an interview with Joe Fulton from MillionairePlayboy.com regarding the Goblet of Fire Lego Contest. Is this correct? Or Harry Potter Lego Contest.

Andrew: Oh… Well, that’s right, Ben, and we have some results and winners. So, let’s take a listen to that interview right now.

Lego Contest Update

Andrew: All right. So, once again we are joined by Joe Fulton of MillionairePlayboy.com to announce the winners, winners of the Harry Potter Custom Lego Contest.

Joe: I’m glad to be back. We actually extended the contest, one, because of your LIVE podcast, but two, because it was getting such great entries…

Andrew: Yeah.

Joe: I wanted to give people extra time in getting us some great Harry Potter scenes from Book 6. And if you go to MillionairePlayboy.com right now, you’ll be able to see all the entries that we had for the contest, including the two winners. And by the time…what we mean by two winners is well one, there is the First Place winner that will win both of the Lego sets that we were giving away, but we have an Honorable Mention because this person produced so many different Lego scenes for us that we felt they needed to get an extra prize just for that.

Andrew: And they all look great too.

Joe: Oh yeah. I think they are wonderful and it is actually amazing to see the variety of different scenes that people picked.

Andrew: Yeah.

Joe: And obviously the most popular ones were the scenes of… I guess, I’m not sure what the spell is, but of Harry hitting Malfoy with that spell that he gets from the book.

Andrew: Right. Just all the… I was just impressed in the first place by all of them because we haven’t seen any pictures yet from like, you know, there hasn’t been any movie clues yet on what you would expect it to look like.

Joe: Mhm.

Andrew: But, I think a lot of people really captured the detail. That was neat.

Joe: Yeah. That’s the other great thing about this, and they’re using Lego sets from a variety of different Lego sets, some that are not even Harry Potter. Some of these sets are from other sets that don’t even have anything to do with that.

Andrew: Yeah, smart thinking.

Joe: And they actually put them together and created some great stuff.

Andrew: Right.

Joe: So, I guess we should get to the winner.

Andrew: Yes. First Place is…

Joe: First Place goes to Peter Hentze for “Rise of the Inferi.” His description was that it is set to the chapter of “The Cave” from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince where the undead Inferi rise out of the black lake to drown Harry and Dumbledore.

Andrew: It is an excellent depiction.

Joe: Yes, it’s actually…

Andrew: It really does look great.

Joe: It’s very action-oriented, which is probably one of the main reasons why it got so many different votes from all the judges.

Andrew: Yeah.

Joe: If you look, he created, he even created the staff of Dumbledore shooting out fire…

Andrew: And the fire going around.

Joe: Yeah, at the Inferi, and one of them is almost ducking because of it while the other ones are coming towards them.

Andrew: Yeah.

Joe: And it’s a great depiction.

Andrew: Yeah, it really is. So, they won the Harry Potter Lego Graveyard Scene from the new Goblet of Fire series and the other one…

Joe: As well as the Dragon Set.

Andrew: So, congrats to Peter!

Joe: Yep.

Andrew: And runner-up, with how many did you say she entered? Six?

Joe: She entered about five or six of them. She goes by the name AliceinMuggleland or her real name is Alice Merril and she’s getting an “Honorable Mention” because she – one, produced so many, but second, the second…she came in Second Place with her entry “Won-Won’s Lip Lock.” And, that is a depiction of when Ron Weasley is snogging Lavender Brown.

Andrew: Exactly.

Joe: And if you look at it, the details in it are just amazing as well.

Andrew: Yeah.

Joe: She has the Fat Lady picture on the doorway there and even the symbol up in the corner.

Andrew: Yeah, she put some extra work into this one.

Joe: Yes, she did.

Andrew: You can see Crookshanks.

Joe: Mhm.

Andrew: It’s all there.

Joe: And a little mini-Hermione figure actually walking away very upset that Lavender and Ron are snogging.

Andrew: Yeah. It looks like she’s got an angry face too.

Joe: Yeah.

Andrew: So, she paid attention to detail.

Joe: Yes, she did.

Andrew: And, she built a lot of sets. So, that’s why.

Joe: Mhm. Yep.

Andrew: She gets this prestigious award.

Joe: And, so why don’t you tell what she won as her “Honorable Mention”?

Andrew: She won a Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Beauxbatons Hoody from Warner Bros. So, congrats to her.

Joe: Well, congratulations to everybody who won and, you know, congrats to everyone who produced these great scenes. And, like I said, you can see these at MillionairePlayboy.com and check them out because you have some really talented people out there.

Andrew: Why, thank you. I raised them well.

[Joe laughs]

Andrew: The link will also in the “Show Notes,” in our show notes on MuggleCast.com. Thanks, Joe!

Joe: Oh, no problem!

Ben: Congrats to all of you who sent in your entries and good job to the winners.

Goblet of Fire Discussion

Ben: Okay, now moving on, the movie has now been released in the United States, the UK, and various other countries throughout the world, and we thought it would be prudent to discuss it. So, if you have not seen the movie yet and you do not want to be spoiled, I recommend you stop the podcast right…NOW! Okay. Andrew…

Andrew: Yes. Sorry.

Ben: Andrew… Andrew, Kevin, and myself all saw the movie on…at the domestic premiere, which was really quite awesome because we were in the same theater as the likes of Tim Robbins, Steven Spielberg, the entire Harry Potter cast. It was quite a rush.

[As Ben speaks, Eric says in background “Don’t…rub…it…in!”]

Andrew: It was actually like…

Eric: Rub it in! Rub it in!

Andrew: …exactly one week ago like up to the hour, minute, seconds.

Kevin: Yeah.

Ben: Mhm.

Andrew: We were watching it right now a week ago. [Fakes sobbing]

[Micah laughs]

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: And Micah was running around like a lunatic getting audio equipment that we didn’t have, and I was standing on the stage trying to entertain the rowdy fans.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: Anyway, I have seen the movie twice by now. Micah has seen it also. Is that correct, Micah?

Ben: Well, anyway.

Eric: So…

Ben: Micah got to see the movie on Monday. He got to see it early also.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: So, you guys listen… So, some of you guys didn’t listen to the
podcast, we’re just going to review our thoughts about the movie and
basically discuss what we thought was the best, what we didn’t like about
it. However, I am going to start off since I got, since I sort of got…I
didn’t get to say as much in the LIVE podcast about the movie. But, here is
what I thought about it. I thought it was the best movie considering what
they were given to work with. Transferring a 735 page book to a two-and-a-half hour movie is really quite difficult, and Mike
Newell had quite a job to do. And I think he did a very excellent job doing
it. However, I think the movie is not, some people who are not going to like
it are going to be people who have never read the books and also people who
basically are Harry Potter purists, and they don’t like it when they cut
things out. Do you guys agree with me there?

Kevin: Well, I don’t think that any of the movies are for Harry Potter
purists, do you? I mean…

Ben: I see what you’re saying, but I’m saying that a lot of times these
people who are overly obsessed with Harry Potter and they think, “Well, I want
absolutely every scene in here,” they’ll be upset and they’ll want to chuck
things at their screen, their popcorn.

Eric: You know what, Ben? [laughs] Ben, I think this was the most generous
film to all the purists. I mean, what did they cut out? Besides, I mean
besides the house-elves all right.

Kevin: The Quidditch World Cup.

Ben: The Dursleys. What I’m talking about with Harry Potter purists is the
things, they’ll get mad when you cut just a tiny scene.

Kevin: The tiniest, yeah.

Ben: Like at the very end where in the book Harry goes to talk to Hagrid
about how everything is going to change now and then Hagrid basically tells
him that, “Well, we’ll have to cross that bridge to we come to it, times are
going to get rough.” And then also Dumbledore calling all the Order of the
Phoenix. That was suppose to be cued in for the next book and the next movie.

Eric: Yeah. I wanted that in there, I did want that in there but. Anyway…

Kevin: Yeah, I mean although I think we said it at the LIVE podcast that they
hinted at it. That they…

Eric: Kind of.

Ben: Well, what I really had a problem with is that the movie moved
incredibly fast.

Eric: No it didn’t!

Ben: You never really…

Kevin: It did.

Ben: You know, just hear me out here. You never really got an opportunity to
soak things in. You never… In Prisoner of Azkaban there would be a really
dramatic scene or whatever and then Cuaron would take a moment and have a
shot of the Whomping Willow killing a bird, or something like that.

Eric: [laughs] Five times.

Ben: But, I know, but it would just be a great opportunity for you to think
about what just happened and then get a nice little shot of the scenery…

Eric: You know, we…

Ben: …and Cuaron’s artistic point of view and in Goblet of Fire Newell sort of got rid
of that and it was just…

Eric: You know…

Ben: …Harry all of a sudden, Harry gets back to the graveyard! Oh Moody’s
going to kill him now! Oh, it just all moved so incredibly fast, there
wasn’t an opportunity to savor the moment like there was with the previous

Eric: Alright, the…

Kevin: There you go.

Eric: The only reason we had time to soak things in Prisoner of Azkaban was because
Cuaron cut so much out that he didn’t know what to do with what he had left
so he added a little dramatic moment before the next thing that he decided
not to cut out could go in the film. That’s my, I mean that’s my
point of view. Goblet of Fire

Ben: Oh, that’s complete, no way. That’s completely bogus. If we, if we look
at Prisoner of Azkaban, he may have left out a few parts here and there, but
the thing, if we look at the comparison of what was cut in Prisoner of
to what was cut in Goblet of Fire…there’s no comparison because the
movies are exactly the same length, nearly the same length, and in Goblet of
they basically butchered half of the movie because.

Eric: No, I thought Goblet did the best job of condensing. I really thought
it did. And it had.

Kevin: I do too. Overall it was the best movie of the Harry Potter movies.

Eric: The thing I think, and I’ll sum Goblet of Fire up in one word. The Goblet of Fire
movie summed up in one word is: Respect. That’s exactly what it is. It’s
respect. It’s attention, attention to the characters. Goblet of Fire is a
character movie. We finally saw the Weasley twins as the Weasley twins. We
got to see a ton of Hermione and not to mention a ton of book-smarts
Hermione in addition to a ton of more girly Hermione. We got to see, and it
was character-driven. We got to, it was just a character movie and it feels
like, seeing the movie twice, it really feels that all the plot moments and
things were thrown in the background. I mean, you know? Even the Voldemort
scene does not focus on the fact that, you know, Voldemort is back and the
whole worlds going to be impacted. It focuses more on Voldemort as a

Ben: Right.

Kevin: But at the same time, I agree with Ben that it was very, very fast.
Like everything was so condensed that.

Ben: Right.

Andrew: The beginning..

Kevin: Well even in the middle of the movie, it – it’s not the type of movie
you want to get up and go for a bathroom break or anything because you’ll miss
something major.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That is true.

Andrew: Why should you anyway?

Kevin: Because you’ll miss something going on.

Eric: You shouldn’t. Yeah, Andrew is right.

Andrew: Use the bathroom before you see the movie. That’s

[Kevin laughs]

Ben: Right, but personally what I’m thinking about this movie is that I
agree that it is probably is the best yet, but what I’d I really like to get
the point of view from is a fan who has never read any of the books and see
what exactly they thought about it.

Andrew: No.

Eric: People have said.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Here’s an example that Ben’s going to love: my sister. She was talking
to her friend about the movie today and her biggest, she, not even she liked
how they were missing stuff, but she hasn’t read the book in five years, so
there was some visible differences. There was some visible cuts. Like, Molly
Weasley not being in the movie at all.

Eric: Right.

Micah: Yeah, right.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: That was huge! She’s popular. She’s a popular you know, people like
seeing her in the movies. She’s something light to add to the dark movie.

Ben: But going back to what Eric was saying for a minute, about how this movie was really character driven. Well, there was a review published in the Miami Herald about the movie and it was basically saying how they sort of…Hermione
basically became, “Harry I’m worried for you,” “Harry I don’t want you getting hurt.”

Eric: Nooo!

Ben: And it really lost the subplot, basically the advice she offers and things like that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: You know, Harry was really having trouble with this Summoning Charm and he had to practice to get that down. Whereas in the movie, it’s “Accio Firebolt!” and it just came flying to him, he didn’t have to work at that at all.

Eric: Yeah, Moody says that…

Kevin: Yeah.

Ben: Just things like that, I don’t know it’s sort of, it really removed Hermione’s, part of her importance to the series.

Goblet of Fire Discussion

Andrew: She just looks like a mother now.

Ben: Yeah, I agree.

Eric: Yeah, I don’t know. It’s, it’s interesting. I do understand what Ben’s saying and I do agree with him on certain levels.

Kevin: How do you guys feel…

Andrew: I mean, people better get used to it.

Eric: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: …because now we have Book 5 and it’s an even bigger book, and we’ll be seeing even more cuts, and even more people are going to be upset about it.

Eric: Exactly, People who have not read the books are getting lost with this movie and, you know, they are because of the cuts they had to make establishing who is saying what to where and all that stuff.
So, I think that people who have read the books are generally – just look at our poll on MuggleNet – are very satisfied with how attention driven this movie was. In certain ways, yes, there was no time to think about it, but
my perspective, the first time I saw the movie on Thursday at midnight, I went and we were about an hour into the movie I figured, “Wow,” because we still had to see the Yule Ball, we still had to see the Second Task, we still had
to see the Third Task and Voldemort and the resolution and Cedric’s death and all that stuff. I knew and I was thinking of what they still had to show and I knew that it was so big that they wouldn’t cut it. So, the movie actually
seemed to be really long for me and actually a really good use of two and a half hours.

Ben: The problem that I had with the movie is that it sort of seemed a bit chopped up the way the sections were merged together.

Andrew: We already discussed this.

Eric: But I thought it flowed.

Ben: I know but I’m just saying that, all of a sudden, okay, we’re at the Second Task and then [makes “Zoom!” noise]. You said there wasn’t room for a bathroom break, but it all depends on how you like things like that. If you’re a big fan of action-packed movies,
then this is really a movie for you. But if you’re a fan of, I don’t know, it all depends on what kind of movies you like.

Eric: If you see a film with choppy animation, I thought Prisoner of Azkaban had more choppy animation. They showed more of the story, but it was choppy animation. I think…

Kevin: To be honest, I hated Prisoner of Azkaban.

Eric: I think Goblet flows.

Kevin: I did not like that movie at all.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Me, too, Kevin, it was weak.

Eric: In the beginning of Goblet of Fire, you guys were perfectly on spot…

Micah: Target.

Eric: …in the LIVE podcast when you said, “Ten minutes in and you’re at Hogwarts” because that’s how it was. I mean that’s exactly how it was. But, I thought that it really truly flowed well with them, yet
they did cut out the actual match of the Cup, but you could follow them, you could follow them and what they were doing. And I thought that it was a tremendous, great, great, way of coming into it when they went from the beginning of the match to the Death Eaters.
With everybody celebrating, with Fred and George dancing around like lunatics and then Mr. Weasley coming in and saying, “That’s not the Irish.” It just transferred. It flows very well.

Kevin: Yeah.

Micah: Can I…

Andrew: Yeah, because you knew like, it didn’t happen all suddenly, it was sort of like a slow transition.

Eric: It was a transition, yeah.

Andrew: Because they were still having fun even when Mr. Weasley still knew what was happening outside. That was good.

Eric: Yeah, and I wasn’t sitting through Goblet of Fire thinking, “Okay they needed a classroom scene here.” I was actually fine with just the one classroom scene with Unforgivable Curses.

Andrew: That was another thing that my sister had complained about was because there was no classroom scenes because, like the… No, no, I’m using her as an example. The non-hardcores, they like the classroom stuff because it brings back the general, classic Harry Potter, basic, generic, blah, blah, blah…

Eric: Oh. Yeah. I agree with that.

Andrew: So, I was kind of upset. I mean there was only one scene with the classroom.

Eric: That’s true.

Andrew: Mad-Eye…

Ben: Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. Because as I said before, Newell had quite a task on his hands and he had to be able to…

Eric: Oh, I don’t know how he did it.

Ben: …to fit all the necessary things in. And there’s the…

Kevin: And either way, there going to cut out something that would make other people angry. Either way.

Ben: Mhm. Right, but that was the one crucial…

Kevin: Whether it be a classroom scene or the maze, you know?

Eric: Well, there was dance class. You guys can’t forget dance class with McGonagall.

Ben: Oh, funny Eric.

Andrew: But, that wasn’t really…

Kevin: Yeah…

Ben: What I’m trying to say is that that was the one crucial classroom scene that needed to be in because they needed to explain the Unforgivable Curses and once they did that, I don’t think there was any need for all the other classroom scenes, you know with the potions…

Andrew: Ahhh, but it brings back the classic HP, back to the books.

Micah: Yeah.

Kevin: Feel of the books.

Micah: Can I bring something up for a second?

Ben: I want to hear… You know what I want to hear? I want to hear what Micah Tannenbaum has to say.

Andrew: Yeah, I was just going to say.

Micah: Well, I thought that this was the best movie by far. Like Kevin said, I didn’t like Prisoner of Azkaban very much, but there was something, and I want to know what you guys thought, that was kind of left out in this movie. We only had one correspondence with Sirius and the relationship with Sirius has
not built very well throughout these movies. When he kicks the can in the next movie, are we going to see a close relationship there?

Ben: Eric?

Eric: This is the most important thing. Thank you, Ben. This is the most important thing they have to do with Movie 5. They spent Movie 4 working on the characters that were already established, like Hagrid got a lot of good things in and all the students did, the Weasley twins. Ginny got a lot in this
movie. Now what they’re going to have to do in Order of the Phoenix is establish the past and everything with the past.

Andrew: Which they won’t.

Eric: How Dumbledore, the Potters, all the Order…what it was like when Voldemort used to reign because he’s back now and Movie 5 is all going to have to be about is the prophecy and what happened in the past. So, with Sirius and the entire Order in Grimmauld Place, they’re going to have to do a lot of back story
a lot of true acting on the adults’ part this time around, trying to understand how this is like, because Sirius has to show Harry all about his family and all about the tree and all about his past things. But at the same time, they also have to show how Sirius is shunned from the actual Order because of his
danger and you know, he can’t leave Grimmauld Place. They also have to, this is going to tear me apart, they also have to show Harry really pissed off at everybody.

I think that Dan Radcliffe took a tremendous leap in Goblet of Fire, I mean a tremendous, tremendous acting leap. I loved Dan in this movie. He did such a wonderful
job and it’s going to be a real pain in Order of the Phoenix to see him play a really angsty, angsty ticked off-at-everybody Harry. I think he did the Harry in this movie so well and they… I mean it’s just amazing. So, but in answer to Micah’s question, I think they’re going to have to spend a lot of time on the adults.

Micah: The relationships. Establishing them.

Eric: Establishing the relationships.

Kevin: Yeah, definitely.

Eric: And I think they’re going to have a heck of a time doing that and still having the plot and with Umbridge at school and all this stuff, but I would not care if they cut more school stuff out to use the actual Grimmauld Place and more like what Harry’s parents were like in the past.

Kevin: Now, do you think they’re going to include a lot of Umbridge?

Eric: They have to in a way because…

Ben: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, but that’s what people were saying about Rita Skeeter, right?

Eric: Ehhh. Well, it’s corruption…

Andrew: No. Who said that?

Eric: I think what they’re doing, what they’re doing with the movies, they’re avoiding it. It’s corruption in government, and they need to get it into the movie somehow. And I think they’ve been putting it off and putting it off and if they don’t do it in Movie 5, it’s never going to happen in the movies. I really doubt it.

Ben: Right and…

Eric: So, I think they need to this year at Hogwarts.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s one of the most important books.

Ben: To what Micah, to what Micah was saying about establishing the relationship with Sirius and all that. I think Movie 5, I have no idea how they’re going to be able to fit that in the two-and-a-half hours.

Micah: Yeah.

Ben: If there are purists who are upset about Movie 4, then when Movie 5 comes around…I don’t know.

Andrew: That’s what I said.

Kevin: Yeah, I think that people just have to realize that things have to be cut, you know? And the director does the best job they can with it, and that’s what has got to be done.

Ben: Have we heard anything about the length of this? Are they still shooting for two-and-a-half hours?

Andrew: We should have asked Heyman that.

Ben: That would have been a really good question.

Kevin: We’ll track him down.

Andrew: All we know is that they’re starting filming in late February.

Eric: I think, guys do you agree with me on this that the Department of Mysteries scene itself and the final battle could be like 45 minutes in video.

Ben: I completely agree with you, I think…

Kevin: It could be yes, but I don’t think it will be.

Ben: I think Order of the Phoenix could be a 20-hour movie.

[Kevin laughs]

Ben: Honestly.

Eric: It could be too because they need to establish, I mean Movie 4, Movie 5 the rundown. A very short rundown. They have to do the dementors on Privet Drive so do you think, could they cut it? I really…it’s a really big thing. But, if they do that, do they have to put Mrs. Figg in? Can you guys imagine them trying?

Kevin: I think they could cut that, to be honest.

Eric: You think?

Ben: What I see happening is…

Kevin: I think it would be a good transition to introduce the Order. I think what they’re going to do is instead of introducing the Order in this movie, they’re going to have the dementors attack and have them show up somehow and that’s when they’re going to introduce them.

Ben: Here’s what I see happening. I see basically Harry getting attacked on Privet Drive, then Mrs. Figg coming out yelling, screaming, whatever. Then Harry automatically…instead of waiting three days like it does in the book when he’s locked in his room and all that, Harry automatically gets swept away by the Order of The Phoenix. They go to Grimmauld Place. We’re not going to see Grimmauld Place like we have in the past where it’s basically…in the movie, I mean in the book we see a lot of Grimmauld Place because Harry is waiting for his trial, we hear…we see more of the real Professor Moody and things like that. I see that getting condensed down, then Harry going to his trial, them basically saying, “You’re still at Hogwarts” or whatever. Hogwarts is going to get…I don’t know, that’s probably going to be the most condensed part because the Department of Mysteries stuff is probably the most crucial…

Eric: Because it’s all about the prophecy.

Ben: …part to the movie.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah.

Kevin: And that sets up the rest of the series so you can’t cut it.

Eric: You know what else they have to do? They have to show Brendan Gleeson as Moody, they have to actually…Moody has to act a completely different character so either they’ll show him able to do that or they won’t show much of Moody in Movie 5, but it’s going to be confusing for the people who just watch the movies if they don’t establish Moody as a different character, there’ll be people who still think he’s a bad guy.

Micah: I think that was pretty well established at the end of the fourth movie that he’s not a bad guy.

Kevin: It was yeah. I think that was pretty well established.

Ben: Well, yeah and of course they’ll have to…you know when Harry…there’s a line in the book where Harry says, “Professor Moody?” and then Moody responds, “Well, I didn’t get around to… I don’t know if you can call me Professor because I didn’t get around to much teaching next year because…”

Eric: Yeah. But, you know what I’d really like to see? I would like to see Lupin, I mean, sorry, David Thewlis and Brendan Gleeson and everybody in Privet Drive with the Dursleys. I just want to see that happening.

Ben: I don’t know, David Yates the director of Order of the Phoenix is going to have quite a job on his hands, even more than Newell did. And also, we have a new screenwriter too.

Eric: What?

Ben: It’s no longer Steve Kloves.

Eric: Steve Kloves…no? We don’t have…

Ben: It’s Michael Goldenberg.

Eric: We don’t have Steve Kloves anymore.

Ben: Michael Goldenberg is the new screenwriter. So it looks…

Eric: Did you guys know that?

Ben: Order of the Phoenix is going to be something…

Kevin: It’s going to be unique.

Ben: Yeah, something different because…

Andrew: Well, the problem with David Yates is he hasn’t done any movies. Or he has but…

Kevin: He’s done TV kind of movies.

Andrew: His main…right. He’s done a lot of TV movies. It’s going to be interesting to follow. He’s a Brit.

Eric: How are they…?

Ben: JK Rowling…isn’t it the case that JK Rowling has to approve the script?

Eric: I don’t…

Andrew: I’m pretty sure they run everything by her. That’s what someone told us.

Ben: I’m sure…

Kevin: Because what…

Ben: I’m sure JKR’s not going to let them completely destroy it.

Eric: I don’t know.

Kevin: It’s not that, it’s that what if they exclude something that is vital to the Book 7 plot and we don’t realize it yet.

Micah: Right. Like you just said before…

Kevin: So she has to look over it because what happens when they get to the Movie 7?

Andrew: Well they’ve already screwed that up so…

Eric: And then again they didn’t…she remarked the other day that she hadn’t seen Movie 4 yet.

Andrew: Oh she’s seen it now.

Eric: She’s seen it now but I mean if she hadn’t seen it…

Andrew: No, no, but… Right, but…

Kevin: But she read the script.

Andrew: She signs off on everything.

Kevin: Exactly.

Ben: Right.

Micah: Well, Kevin…

Kevin: Yeah?

Micah: Like you just said, the dementor attack on Dudley, isn’t that supposed to be revealed what he saw in Book 7, so won’t you need to include that in the fifth movie?

Ben: Well I see them chopping off those parts.

Kevin: But is that going to be a vital part of Book 7?

Micah: Yeah, I mean I don’t know.

Eric: I don’t know, I liked what they did in Goblet of Fire with Adrian Rawlings and Geraldine Somersberg/Somersville…Lily and Potter. I’m sorry, Lily and James in Goblet of Fire. We saw them and we heard them. I liked that. I thought that was incredible and I’d like to see the Pensieve scene with them in the past, and the Marauders in the past because that’s one of the things that was cut out of Prisoner of Azkaban is the Marauders in the past. Will it ever make it in the movies? I don’t know. All I know is they really should start showing what happened when Voldemort was powerful the first time because that’s such a needed input. Like…it just occurred to me upon watching Goblet of Fire the second time that the name Riddle had already been established in Chamber of Secrets the movie, you know Tom Marvolo Riddle. It didn’t occur to me and that’s because there’s so little past and so little much of the past in the movies, and I think we need more of that.

Ben: Yeah. Okay, well I have an idea here. Okay. Andrew…starting with Andrew, say what your favorite scene in the movie was and why.

Eric: Ben, that’s a brilliant idea.

Andrew: Okay. Oh, I got to think about that one for a second.

Kevin: I’ll go. I could go.

Eric: Okay, Kevin.

Andrew: Yeah, go ahead, you first.

Kevin: I was thrilled with the Dragon scene.

Eric: That was cool.

Kevin: I don’t think…it wasn’t…

Andrew: That was going to be my choice.

Kevin: Yeah, it wasn’t because you know, I did like other scenes because of the emotion of the scene and how it was constructed, but just the action of the Dragon scene was just amazing.

Eric: And you know what they did?

Kevin: What?

Eric: You know…I’m sorry Kevin. You know what they did with the whole Dragon scene is they established a Columbus/Cuaron/Newell Hogwarts that finally agreed with itself.

Kevin: Oh yeah.

Eric: Also, and also, all of the video games. If you look at the Chamber of Secrets video game, the archways and the duct, the harbor at Hogwarts is finally established, it’s actually in the movie, the stuff from the video games in the past and you know, the things that…

Andrew: Yeah well they’re making it more like the movie. Has anyone played the Goblet of Fire video game yet?

Eric: I think it would be awesome.

Kevin: I haven’t.

Micah: No.

Eric: I haven’t played it, but it’s got to be cool.

Kevin: They have to send us copies.

Andrew: We should, we should…no we should all just play it and do a review on it.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: But actually, getting back to the Second Task…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: You know what I really would have liked to have seen? When he, when he…how do you pronounce it? Accio Firebolt?

Ben: Accio.

Eric: He said Accio.

Andrew: Did he? Accio Fire…when he said Accio Firebolt, I would have liked to have seen the Firebolt like lift up and head for the…

Eric: Yeah, and break free. Right.

Kevin: Oh yeah. Like cut-scene.

Andrew: That would have been a cool shot like have the camera… right.

Kevin: Flash back and forth between Harry and the Firebolt? Like back and forth?

Andrew: Well, that would have been kind of corny but…well I don’t know.

Kevin: That would have been pretty cool.

Andrew: Bring up some momentum.

Eric: Because that’s what Fred and George do, don’t they?

Andrew: But that would have been just cool, to see like, to hear him yell, “Accio Firebolt” and have the camera just fly back to Hogwarts, see it lift up and then go back.

Eric: Yeah, that would have been a really cool shot. Don’t Fred and George…

Andrew: I was sort of hoping for that.

Eric: Guys, don’t Fred and George do that in Book 5? With theirs?

Andrew: What?

Eric: When they take off, don’t their brooms break free from the chains to go…

All: Yeah.

Eric: From Umbridge’s chains. So there might be a chance to do that. Yet. If they wanted to, because that would be cool, flying through the Halls of Hogwarts you know, kind of broomsticks, camera but…

Ben: Well, since you guys pretty much agree that your favorite scene was the Dragons, the Second Task. My favorite…that was an awesome scene, I agree with you guys, but what my favorite scene was, was the Graveyard. I thought that was about the coolest thing ever.

Eric: Ben, that’s my favorite scene.

Kevin: See…

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Sorry Eric. But we’ll discuss this. Hold on.

Eric: No problem.

Ben: What I thought was awesome was when…you know when Peter…when Wormtail was basically brewing the potion and getting ready to cut off his arm and then Cedric and Harry come there and they’re all confused and then Cedric just drops dead and… Ah, I just thought it was sweet to see Lord Voldemort in the flesh and it was great.

Eric: You know what’s cool?

Ben: And then even when, like the most emotional scene in the movie, we talked about this in the LIVE Podcast, was when they…after Priori Incantatem when the Wands were connected, which they didn’t explain what happened there either, basically after that happened and then Harry grabs the Portkey, Cedric’s body, and goes back, they’re laying there on the ground and then everyone thinks they’ve won and then Fleur lets out the scream and that really moved a lot of people to tears. I didn’t cry, but everyone around me was.

Kevin: I saw you cry. I saw you cry.

Ben: Oh, Kevin.

Eric: Caught in the act, Ben.

Ben: Eric, what did you think?

Eric: I agree with Ben. Ben’s entirely right on this and that’s, that’s true.

Kevin: It’s a matter of opinion.

Eric: Well, my particular fascination with the Graveyard scene was Voldemort. And not just Voldemort but how…I mean Ben used the term “in the flesh” and that’s exactly what he was. He was in the flesh. That’s all he was and you know, Voldemort wasn’t done up with a thousand special effects. He was done up with a hundred pounds of make-up probably, but that’s beside the point.

What I mean is, you saw Voldemort as he had been before he fell in person, standing there right next to Lucius, standing and threatening them and just…standing! He exists! That’s the scariest thing in the world to me. He wasn’t necessarily scary. He was ugly. But, just this fact that he commands respect. His presence on that Graveyard ground just commands this reach into the past at who he was, who he is, and why he’s threatening and why they all look up to him and this just evil that was so well represented by Ralph Fiennes and I just want to see more of it, is all I’m saying. I want to see more of Voldemort and he was so real and so personable and so crazy.

Ben: I think the coolest scene in Movie 5 has to be Dumbledore and the Dark Lord dueling in the Department of Mysteries.

Eric: Which is going to be…

Ben: That is my, that is my favorite part of all the books you know, when Dumbledore comes out and says, “You shouldn’t have come here tonight, Tom,” and…that was just incredible.

[All laugh]

Eric: Micah, what do you think?

Andrew: [mocking Ben] Ahhh, that was just incredible.

Kevin: [mocking Ben] Ahhh…

Eric: Micah, what do you think?

Ben: I’m a sap guys. What do you think, yeah Micah, what’s your favorite scene in the movie?

Micah: I talked about this with Andrew and definitely the best scene was Flitwick crowd-surfing during the Ball.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: Was that Flitwick though?

Kevin: I don’t…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Is that, because they totally…because Cuaron changed him!

[Micah laughs]

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: And I never understood if that’s Flitwick or not because they never really…it kind of sounds like him when Hagrid stabs his fork through him.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: I mean…

Ben: What about Movie 1, wasn’t Flitwick a guy with a white beard and stuff?

Eric: Yeah, so I never understood. Like I saw the guy there.

Kevin: They changed it in…

Andrew: They made him more classy.

Eric: I know. No, I like, I actually like the new Flitwick, but it’s just that they never really established it, they never really have him say anything that would give us that connection. Now, I actually watched the credits all the way through because I thought there was something special at the end which there actually wasn’t in my reel. Did you guys see anything special at the end? Did you hear about that?

Andrew: No.

Ben: I don’t know.

Eric: Okay, the only thing is, at the very end it says, “No Dragons were harmed in the creation of this film.”

[All laugh]

Eric: Which is really cool, but there was no special video like Lockhart or anything like Chamber of Secrets. But, anyway it does credit Warwick Davis, so I was thinking like “Was that Flitwick?” Because if it was, I think it’s really funny and I actually like the more you know, pseudo-Flitwick. But he…they never really, I don’t think they ever really explained that so I wasn’t sure if that was Flitwick or if he just existed to lead the non-existent choir in the chorus and the band, which now exists.

Micah: Yeah, that was just supposed to be a joke though…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: I mean…definitely the Graveyard scene, I agree with…

Eric: Well no, it was cool, it was cool. The crowd-surfing was…

Goblet of Fire Discussion

Ben: Well okay, I have an idea here. Okay, I’m going to ask each and every one of you to go around, say what you…okay out of a scale of ten, out of a scale of ten, what would you give the movie, ten being the best? Eric, you first.

Eric: I’m going to have to go with thirteen. Thirteen.

[All laugh]

Ben: Thirteen.

Eric: I have to go with, I have to go with thirteen, Ben.

Kevin: Wait, you have to specify, as a Harry Potter movie or as a movie in general?

Eric: Good point, okay as a movie in general I’ll take it down to…I don’t know, it’s still up in eight and a half/nine because it truly is…

Kevin: Yeah, I would give it an eight as a movie.

Eric: Yeah. Just as a movie because it’s the biggest budget film but yet…

Ben: [impersonating Andrew] Yeah!

Eric: Yeah, but they did so much with the money they had and I don’t mean in terms of special effects because the special effects scenes weren’t the ones that amazed me, it was the actor scenes that amazed me and how they developed Ron and how they developed Dan’s character and you know, everybody. The character…

Ben: There was some, there was some incredible actors in this movie. Brendan Gleeson did a phenomenal job.

Eric: He did.

Andrew: Yeah Mad-Eye Moody was hilarious.

Ben: I thought that was incredible.

Eric: I still have…I have to see him as regular Moody. I just have to see how he does it because he’s so great at being the kind of demented, demented Moody who sticks his tongue out at McGonagall after the ferret scene. I mean that was just funny.

Ben: Right Andrew, Andrew, what do you think?

Andrew: On a scale of one to ten, I would say a nine.

Ben: Why?

Andrew: Because…because…just because, and I know this really isn’t Warner Brothers’ fault, but just because it wasn’t all there. It was still the best movie.

Eric: That’s true.

Andrew: The other ones I would give like a one and a two.

[All laugh]

Andrew: I’m just kidding, not that low.

Ben: Micah, Micah? What would you give it?

Micah: Yep, nine. I think…well what you said before, taking a 735 page book and putting it into two-and-a-half hours was definitely a job well done, and I didn’t like Prisoner of Azkaban either so this, in my opinion, was the best movie by far.

Eric: Oh, can I do something?

Ben: Okay well, I need to give my rating first here.

Eric: Okay, cool.

Ben: I think that when you compare it to the other Harry Potter movies it’s…I don’t know…it’s better than Prisoner of Azkaban and it’s definitely, it’s certainly better than the first two so I give it an eight. An eight in terms of Harry Potter movies and just as a movie in general, probably about the same. I think, I think it was heading in the right direction. There of course could have been some things they needed to work on with it but you know, there’s only so much time you have to do things.

Andrew: I have a question. Is Columbus to blame for the first two movies not being as good?

Ben: I happen to think…

Eric: I LOVE the first two movies!

Ben: Well, here’s what I feel about the first two movies. I thought the first two movies were really good. They were probably the truest…they probably were extremely true to the book and the first two movies are actually what got me into the Harry Potter series to begin with.

Eric: Thank you, Ben! Ben…I’m flying down to your house and I’m just…

Ben: It really makes me angry.

Kevin: See the thing is…

Eric: It does!

Kevin: I think that he had a huge task on his hands. I mean look at it, he had to set up…he was the one who set up the movie. You know, all these, all the movies after it, have him to thank for setting it up for them. So although they may not be the best movies, they were the best movies for setting up the series so other directors could take it and do their own thing with it.

Ben: It really makes me angry when people say that the first movies absolutely sucked because that’s not true. It’s not true at all. Because the first two movies, they were very true to the books and they’re what brought a lot of fans to actually read the series so I don’t understand how people can say they were so terrible. In comparison to the last two movies they were not that great.

Eric: Yeah, it’s not that Chris Columbus disregarded the plot just so that he could establish the series, it’s not like that all. He both established and went with it.

Kevin: Exactly. He knew that what he was making, he had to set up…

Micah: Remember the age of the actors he’s working with too. I think that plays a large role in it.

Eric: Guys, that’s why I can’t read the first book.

Kevin: Yeah, that’s true.

Eric: I mean the first book, it’s still…it’s a book about an eleven-year-old and it’s not childish; it’s just an adult book about an eleven-year-old.

Kevin: I think that the age of the actors did also play a role in it as well. I mean they were inexperienced actors.

Micah: Right.

Kevin: Actors and actresses I should say and you know, of course the movie isn’t going to be the best because you have a brand new actor who has never acted before. I mean they got lessons, but you can’t expect…

Eric: Hey guys, speaking of, speaking of Katie Leung and Fleur and all the Champions and everybody…they did good jobs.

Kevin: They did.

Eric: And especially, you know, I think especially when Rita Skeeter went up to the four Champions and she was taunting Fleur and you know, taunting Victor and when Victor in the tent said that this is for Champions and friends only, I mean that was a great line on his part and they really like…

Ben: His only line!

[All laugh]

Andrew: Please! I thought that was so cheesy.

Kevin: I thought so too.

Eric: No!

Ben: It seemed to me like it was a line they made so he actually had a line in the movie.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Exactly, exactly. Ben, you were here when I said that to that girl. That’s exactly what I said. It sounds like a… “Oh, here let’s write something real quick for Krum so that it doesn’t sound, so he says at least one thing.”

Kevin: It’s corny. It really was a corny line.

Eric: Well, it does show that they…

Andrew: A pity he didn’t say more lines.

Eric: Yeah, it shows that people are aware though of the media and how bad they are and that you want the Champions of each school to be aware of how the media can misconstrue what they say. And the other thing about this movie, which I loved, is how they finally…Harry seems…they emphasize his age. They actually…they didn’t just, I mean they didn’t ignore the fact that he was getting older. In fact they emphasized…they went all out saying that he was 14 and Harry corrects Rita Skeeter three or four times saying “14, 14, 14,” for his age and she writes him in as 12. And if you notice, all the Champions are taller than Harry and the Weasley twins are freakin’ huge – they’re giants. So, Harry looks small. And if you look at the Goblet…

Andrew: Well, that’s natural, though.

Eric: It might be natural but…

Andrew: That’s by chance.

Eric: I thought it was also emphasized, they actually also made a point to make it seem like you know, he was as young as he’s supposed to be which was 14 because there was the lines and then there was…you know just in general, Harry looks smaller in this movie compared to everybody else. Maybe he’s just up against tall people. That could be it but I really felt that Harry was 14.

Micah: Maybe he’s just short.

Eric: Watching this, I just really felt that he was 14 and I thought that was a good job because it’s not like the other movies where you kind of wonder what his age really is and what he’s supposed to be playing. I thought this when they made it.

Ben: I don’t know if I felt he was 14 because…I don’t know, it just seems so awkward because his voice is so deep. Some fourteen-year-old’s voices are like…

Eric: It isn’t deep though; it’s not as deep as yours, Ben.

Ben: That’s often times when an adolescent boy when his voice changes when he’s fourteen. Thirteen/fourteen in that range and…I don’t know Harry’s voice started changing in the movies, Dan Radcliffe’s voice started changing at the end of Sorcerer’s Stone.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: Well, Ben, do you also want to complain about his abs then for the bathroom scene that most fourteen-year-old boys don’t have abs?

Ben: But that’s not true, it depends on…I don’t know why you were checking out Dan Radcliffe’s abs.

Eric: I wasn’t, Ben.

Andrew: That’s messed up.

Kevin: Yeah it is.

Eric: I wasn’t checking out his abs. All I’m saying is he had abs and if you want to complain that he’s not really fourteen then you might as well go the whole mile. What about Moaning Myrtle? I liked that. What about Moaning Myrtle?

Kevin: He’s trying to change the subject right now.

Eric: Okay fine, I’m leaving.

Kevin: We called him out and he…

Eric: Guys!

Kevin: Can’t explain it.

Ben: Now that we’ve cleared up that Eric has a little crush on Dan…what did you guys think of Michael Gambon as Dumbledore in this movie?

Kevin: I thought he was angry.

Micah: I have to apologize to…

Andrew: Yeah we already had this, we’ve had this talk a million times but I really liked him. I still do. I still stand by what I said.

Micah: I started that whole argument last time, what was it, Episode…the Halloween episode when I said that I didn’t like Gambon but I felt he did a much better job in this movie although that interview he gave in Empire has gotten a lot of people hot because he seems like he knows absolutely nothing about the series.

Andrew: So what, though?

Ben: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I guess it does matter.

Micah: I don’t know if he was being sarcastic or what the deal was.

Andrew: I doubt it.

Kevin: Yeah but I mean, I mean in the premiere before they started the movie they had that woman going around with the SceneIt? games.

Andrew: What?

Kevin: She had no clue what she was talking about.

Andrew: Yeah, what was that woman doing?

Kevin: She was…during the…

Ben: Okay, well here. While you and Emerson were still on the Red Carpet…

Andrew: Yeah…

Ben: Kevin and I were already in the theater sitting there and this woman was going around with Harry Potter SceneIt? games and…

Andrew: Handing them out?

Kevin: Yeah.

Ben: She’d ask them a question and if you got it right, she gave you a game.

Kevin: But she was giving everyone the answer to begin with, and she had no clue what she was talking about. She knew nothing about Harry Potter. You could tell, she knew absolutely nothing.

[Kevin and Micah laugh]

Kevin: So you know, it’s not uncommon for the people who are playing in the movie or involved in the movie not to know about the books themselves. And sometimes it’s better because it makes it so they don’t skew the director’s vision based on their own opinion of the character.

Micah: Didn’t Matt Lewis talk about how he looked into Order of The Phoenix for his role in Goblet of Fire.

Kevin: Yeah. He said that at the LIVE Podcast, didn’t he?

Micah: Yeah. So I mean not…I think it is a good idea to know a little bit about your character.

Andrew: No, you have to.

Micah: But Gambon just came across as such a…I don’t know. The comments about his interview, there was like 400 of them. It was not good. People were asking for other people to, or another actor to take on the role.

Andrew: Oh please!

Micah: Yeah, I know but…

Andrew: I still like him.

Kevin: Yeah, just because he doesn’t know about the series doesn’t mean he doesn’t do a good job in playing the part, you know?

Andrew: What’s more important, knowing about acting or knowing your character in Harry Potter? Actually that’s a good question!

Kevin: Yeah! Well so long as it’s…

Andrew: I think it’s knowing about acting.

Kevin: So, long as he portrays the character correctly, it really doesn’t matter if he knows about him or not. I mean I think that shows the, you know, director…that’s Mike’s influence because obviously he got the knowledge from somewhere I bet you. You know, the director.

Micah: I just think he needs a valium every once in a while.

[All laugh]

Micah: He got a little too crazy in the Trophy Room.

Kevin: Yeah, I think so too.

Ben: So, so, overall we all agree that the movie was pretty sweet, it could have been done better but…well actually I don’t know.

Andrew: I don’t think so.

Ben: Michael Gambon… Mike Newell probably did…

Kevin: I think he did a good job.

Ben: The best job within his capabilities unless he wanted to spend a million more dollars on it so…I think the movie was awesome. It had its flaws but every movie does and once you start analyzing it this much, it’s always easy to find a problem with it.


Ben: Okay, so with all that in mind I hope everyone has enjoyed this podcast. Oh, before we conclude…

Kevin: Uh oh.

Andrew: How can you forget?

Ben: Andrew? Do you have an announcement about some…

Andrew: Did you just call me Drew?

Ben: …surveys for our listeners to take?

Andrew: Oh. The “An” got cut off. Yes, so in order to you know, make it easier on us in our lives and you know, just get a better feel for the show, we decided we’re going to quit.

Kevin: Yep.

Andrew: But seriously…[pause]

[All laugh]

Andrew: Guys, we need to take a break one of these weeks to recoup.

Kevin: Yeah, maybe next week we’ll take a break.

Andrew: Rehash, re-everything.

Kevin: Rehash!

Andrew: Well, you guys wanted to this week and I was like “No dudes!” But anyway, you might notice on Mugglecast.com there is a new link there in the “Listener To-Do List” that says “Take Our Listener Survey” and by taking this listener survey, it’s about…it’ll take you five to ten minutes depending on how long it takes you to type or whatever. It basically asks you some questions so we can get a better feel for you guys, the listeners, our demographics because we need some dems. We’ve got to dem, dem it up here.

Kevin: We do have to dem it up.

Andrew: So if anyone…so please take these. Please take the listener survey, it’s really going to help us out. Its easy, it’ll just take a few minutes of your time because we really need to start getting a feel for what, who listens to the show, what types of people because we need these in order to keep growing the show. It’s actually really, really important.

Kevin: Important. It really is, yeah.

Andrew: To us. So just…it’s number one, right there on that list, Mugglecast.com, right next to that nice GoDaddy ad, it says “Take Our Listener Survey To Help The Show.” Click it, press “listener survey start now” and then it will start asking you a few questions. It goes to a separate website. Just fill out their basic generic questions. So that’s it. Thanks guys. It’s really going to help. It’s maintained by Podtrack, which is a new company that helps podcast users grow.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Their podcast.

Kevin: Grow their podcast. [laughs] Helps their podcast grow.

Andrew: Step one, add water. [laughs]

Kevin: “Hooked on Phonics” worked for us.

Ben: Okay, well I think that wraps up episode…funny, funny guys, funny.

Spy on Spartz

Micah: Are you going to Spy on Spartz or no?

Ben: I think that wraps up this epi…

Kevin: Oh, “Spy on Spartz.”

Ben: Oh crap, we forgot this.

Kevin: Yeah, let’s spy on him.

Andrew: Yes let’s do some regular segments here.

Ben: Finally…

Andrew: Let me IM Emerson – I’m pretty sure he’s been idle all day.

Ben: He’s idle.

Kevin: No I can bet you exactly where he is.

Ben: He’s watching the Notre Dame game.

Kevin: There you go.

Andrew: Wait is…I haven’t been…I’ve got it on the TV but I actually haven’t been…

Kevin: They’re winning and they’re most likely going to be…

Micah: The score is 34-3 Notre Dame so I’m getting killed over here.

Andrew: Oooh, oooh!

Kevin: He’s going to be happy.

Andrew: Micah, weren’t you cheering on Syracuse?

Micah: I would hope so, yeah.

Andrew: What happened there?

Micah: I don’t know.

[All laugh]

Kevin: Okay.

Micah: Maybe the fact that we have one win this year has something to do with it, I don’t know.

Andrew: Oh, hey!

Ben: I bet so.

Andrew: How many games is that?

Micah: Well…

Andrew: How many losses?

Micah: We’ll go to 1-9 on the season after this game.

Kevin: Oh my.

Andrew: Ohhh.

Kevin: Ohhh.

Ben: That hurts.

Andrew: That does hurt.

Micah: No more football funding next year.

Andrew: 1-9, ouch!

Ben: Okay, well I think that does wrap up this Episode 16 of MuggleCast. I hope you’ve all enjoyed it. Once again.

Book Recommendations

Andrew: Oh wait, wait, w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-wait. Kevin, are you doing something with those book reading segment things?

Kevin: We will be, we will be. We’re working on it. We’ve gotten hundreds upon hundreds.

Andrew: Okay. Yeah.

Kevin: Of recommendations.

Ben: Okay, we’ll mention that some other time.

Kevin: Yeah we’ll worry about that…

Andrew: No, we just need to update people on what’s going on.

Kevin: Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah.

Ben: Okay.

Kevin: We’re working on it.

Ben: Okay, before we vacate, before we close the show, I think Kevin has something to say about our book recommendations. Kevin?

Kevin: Wait…yeah for all those who are wondering, we have gotten quite a few, well more than a few recommendations so we’re working on sorting them out, seeing which ones we’re going to read first and then we’ll….you know, we’ll review them. Hopefully, it will be by next episode so…good times. There’s hundreds.

Andrew’s Listener Challenge

Ben: Sounds good to me. Oh and Andrew! Do we have a “Listener Challenge” this week?

Andrew: Nooo.

Ben: Oh here we go, I have a Challenge. Go out and see Goblet of Fire.

Kevin: Yes. Yeah.

Ben: There’s your “Listener Challenge” this week.

Andrew: Ahh, that’s corny.

Ben: And while you’re in the theater, you should…

Andrew: Oh, ooh oooh, okay. I have a new “Listener Challenge.”

Ben: Oh! We have one! An impromptu “Listener Challenge.”

Andrew: Guys, what you have to do, okay? Okay, we can’t…okay, turn up your headphones because I don’t want many people hearing, but everyone has to bring a camera into the movie theater, not bootleg the movie, but I want you to bring your friend to the movie theater with a camera and right when the movie’s starting, just yell really loud…well see people have already seen it but just yell really loud…no, what should they say? “Listen to MuggleCast or Die!”

Kevin: Okay, I think they’ll be arrested.

Andrew: Okay!

Kevin: Yeah if you say that, you’re going to be…

Andrew: Okay fine, just say, really loud before the movie just yell “Listen to MuggleCast,” okay? Alright?

Ben: Sounds good to me.

Andrew: Okay, good.

Micah: Sure.

Ben: Okay and don’t, and please ignore the part about the camera. We don’t want to get you thrown in jail.

Andrew: No do it, because we have to have proof. You’re not going to get thrown in jail.

Ben: How can you have proof?

Andrew: Guys, don’t worry about it.

Ben: No, no, here’s a better idea.

Andrew: Sneak it in…

Ben: I’m modifying…no I’m modifying “Andrew’s Listener Challenge.” I want you to take a video of you outside the theatre yelling, “I listen to MuggleCast.” There.

Andrew: And then take your camera inside…

Ben: No.

Andrew: They’re not going to get arrested! The worst that’s going to happen is you’re going to get kicked out. Please, you won’t get caught.

Ben: Okay.

Andrew: Guys, I’ll get you a lawyer if you get thrown in court or something.

Show Close

Ben: Okay, so I think that finally wraps up Episode 16 of MuggleCast. Everybody, I hope it’s been fun. I sure have had fun. We’ve had a nice insight about the movie. Next week, we would like to answer questions that you have about the movie so please send those to voice at staff dot mugglenet dot com. For other ways to contact us, please visit MuggleCast.com or MuggleNet.com/MuggleCast and you’ll see a link that says “Contact Us” and that’s pretty much it.

Andrew: And also, stick…we want to hear what you guys thought about the movie, just not besides questions.

Kevin: Comments, yeah.

Andrew: Like send us…send us…yeah, little comments. Keep them under I’d say a minute and we’ll stick them in at the end of the show. Send those to voice at staff dot mugglenet dot com too.

Ben: I agree.

Kevin: Thanks a lot!

Andrew: Record your voice. It has to be a voice recording.

Ben: Okay, well thanks to everybody for listening to us once again, hope this has been enjoyable and we’ll see you all next week. I’m Ben Schoen.

Andrew: I’m Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I’m Kevin Steck.

Eric: Bye, I’m Eric Scull, see you everybody.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Ben: So, everybody, we’ll see you all next week.

Kevin: Goodbye.

Andrew: Or will we?

Ben: Goodnight, everybody.


Written by: Micah, Jess, Claire, and Ally

Episode 16

On our November 20th, 2005 edition of MuggleCast…

The guys discuss Goblet of Fire. Join Ben, Andrew, Kevin, Eric and Micah on this week’s edition of MuggleCast.

  • MuggleCast finally gets the plug on iTunes!
  • The group spends a few minutes reminiscing about the fun we had in NYC
  • Andrew and Joe Fulton from MillionairePlayboy.com reveal the two Lego contest winners
  • We provide complete Goblet of Fire coverage
  • So much coverage that we can’t even list it here
  • OOTP is also right around the corner, so what can we expect?
  • David Yates as the director of the fifth movie: is he a good choice?
  • Book Reviews update
  • Spy on Spartz
  • Andrew’s Listener Challenge (Note: Andrew is now responsible for any federal consequences involved in this task)
  • Thanks to Kelly for creating this picture of Micah taking a break from transcribing and this picture of the MuggleCasters podcasting at Barnes & Noble

Send Listener Challenge Entries to: challenge at staff dot mugglenet dot com

Send 1 minute or less GOF reviews, voice comments and questions to:
voice at staff dot mugglenet dot com

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Running time: 1:01:43, 28.5 MB

Episode 15: MuggleCast/PotterCast LIVE in NYC

On our November 12th, 2005 edition of MuggleCast…

Our huge live show with PotterCast, recorded at Manhattan’s Union Square Barnes & Noble right after the premiere of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. More than 500 fans came out to say hello; we all were downright terrified.

  • Melissa’s mom brings us reports from the official Goblet after-party –
    Emma Watson, Jamie Waylett, Robert Pattinson, Matthew Lewis, Katie
    Leung and Tolga Safer live on the show
  • The actors about the volume of the Barnes & Noble crowd: “Oh-my-god!”
  • Andrew is extraordinarily agreeable. “Yeah? YEAH!!!”
  • Emerson and Melissa revisit the delusional debacle: Emerson comes face
    to face with an H/H’er
  • The real Micah Tannenbaum stood up, and his news voice sat down
  • John Noe cries
  • GOF: Better than POA? “YEAH!!!”
  • The crew discuss the film in full detail – spoilers everywhere and no one cares
  • House-elves, magical creatures, the maze, angry roots and impatient fug
  • Kevin Steck is backwards compatible
  • Dumbledore: too aggressive?
  • John summons the (clumsy) ghost of Sirius Black
  • Sue has a close encounter of the real kind with Jason Isaacs, who we
    learn enjoys a nice Potter podcast on his morning jog
  • Hi, Jason!
  • The scoop on Skeeter in Movie 4
  • Dan Radcliffe: looking forward to filming the Book 6 scenes with Ginny
  • Andrew “row’s” with the audience over pronunciation
  • Mama Sue warns about Goblet’s intense ending
  • A fan chooses the podcast over DisneyWorld (we tried to make it up to her)
  • Was it a good time? Yeah. Yeah? YEAH!

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Running time: 1:23:23, 29.90 MB

Transcript 014

MuggleCast EP14 Transcript


Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast – Episode 14 for November 06, 2005.

Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello.

Kevin: You’re saying “Hello” too much.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: You 70,000 MuggleCast listeners.

Laura: We get the idea.

Andrew: I’m Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I’m Kevin Steck.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Georgia: I’m Georgia Mountford.

Andrew: And this is the show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, discussions, theories, cooking recipes, Acne treatments. I’ve told it to you all before. Before we get to anything else, first, let’s go to Micah for the past week’s top news stories.


Micah: Thanks, Andrew.

The World Premiere of Goblet of Fire took place earlier today. Be sure to check out our main page as it will be continuously updated with information.

And just a reminder about some TV appearances being made by the actors in the fourth Harry Potter film (All times are on the East Coast unless otherwise stated):

Thursday, November 10th: The Today Show – Dan Radcliffe to appear. The show runs from 7-10 AM on NBC.

Regis and Kelly: Dan Radcliffe to appear. The show airs live at 9 AM.

The Martha Stewart Show: Dan Radcliffe to appear. All times vary.

Friday, November 11th: MTV’s TRL – Dan Radcliffe and Rupert Grint to appear. Airs live on East Coast at 5 PM.

“ET on MTV”: Special airing on MTV about Harry Potter at 8 PM.

For a complete listing of all show appearances, please visit MuggleNet’s Main Page.

And, we informed you last week that a folk group called “The Wyrd Sisters” had secured a court date where they hoped to have Goblet of Fire banned from distribution across Canada. They believed that their band’s name was being used in the film without permission and that it would ruin their reputation. The Canadian Press reported on Friday that their motion has been dismissed, much to the delight of all Canadian Harry Potter fans!

As always, there are tons and tons of new video clips, screen shots, poster scans, post cards, including shots of Emma Watson in the upcoming editions of Teen and Elle magazine, Dan Radcliffe in Time Magazine and Entertainment Weekly, and Robert Pattinson in Teen People. There are also two new contests to check out: one being run by the Today Show and the other by MuggleNet, Warner Bros., and the Noble Collection. Go to MuggleNet.com for more information.

One brief announcement, for those of you wondering, the date for the release of the Spanish translation of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince has been announced. It is due out on February 23, 2006.

There are also two Minicasts available for download. One which is an interview with Matthew Vines of Veritaserum.com, who has already seen the new film and the other is a joint podcast with TLC‘s Melissa and John with information regarding the upcoming New York City podcast.

Finally, don’t forget our LIVE New York City podcast at Barnes & Noble this Saturday, November 12th at 33 West 17th Street between Broadway and Park Ave. in Union Square.

That’s all the news from our News center in New York for this November 06, 2005 edition of MuggleCast. I’ll see you guys live, next week.

Update on New York City Podcast

Andrew: Thank you, Micah. And the first thing many of you might have noticed by now is that we have a new MuggleCaster. Please welcome Georgia from MuggleNet Fan Fiction.

Laura: Yay!

Andrew: Yay!

Georgia: Hello!

Andrew: Hi, Georgia!

Georgia: Hi!

Andrew: Okay, tell us a little about yourself. Where you are from, what you do around the site.

Georgia: I’m British, but I live in Australia and I work on the Fan Fiction section, and I have for about a year now.

Eric: Woo!

Andrew: Excellent! And we brought you on here last minute because Ben was supposed to be on again, but… [Laughs]

Eric: Ben is on time out right now.

Laura: Yeah, Ben is in time out.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: He’s outside the room. He’s out Andrew’s bedroom right now. We put him in the corner of Andrew’s hallway.

Andrew: Well, we had a couple of problems, but Ben will definitely be on next week because next week is our LIVE show. [Laughs] Wow, it’s only a week away now.

Kevin: I don’t think he has a choice then. Yes, it is.

Andrew: You know what’s funny? I don’t know who came up with this LIVE podcast idea first, but my original idea…

Kevin: It was me.

Andrew: No, it wasn’t.

Laura: It was all Kevin.

Andrew: My original idea was, “Hmmm, this will be nice. After the premiere, we’ll go to Starbucks. Oh, maybe ten people will show up.” [Laughs]

Eric: Yeah, how many people have registered?

Kevin: It’s true.

Andrew: Boy, was I wrong. Okay, well, we have like 600 people. That’s an estimate. We have about 350 reservations, but each person is bringing at least one other friend. There is one group that is bringing 15. There’s, the HP Fan Trips people are bringing, I don’t even know how many.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Sssh.

Georgia: No pressure.

Andrew: My advice to all of you is get there early. Just get there.

Eric: Yeah, even earlier than the time… Yeah.

Andrew: I just… [Laughs] It’s going to be so crowded. There will be tons of seating. There will be room for everyone. It’s not going to be like Ozzfest and there’s going to be no room to move around.

[All laugh]

Andrew: Kevin can attest to that.

Eric: Except that does not mean you can’t carry us in the crowd.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Because that might happen sometime later in the night.

Andrew: It’s just going to be, it is going to be a lot of fun, and we really cannot wait for it. I am looking at the e-mails right now. We have 332 e-mails. People who have sent us an e-mail and said to us, “Hey! I’m coming.” Each person is at least bringing one other person. Multiply 332 times at least 2, that’s 660.

Eric: Four.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: 664.

Andrew: Six hundred and sixty four.

Eric: Good.

Andrew: A couple larger groups. So, my only suggestion is to get there early. There will be plenty of room. It is going to be comfortable. It’s not going to be like a madhouse or anything. It’s going to be a nice time.

Laura: It’s not going to be a mosh pit.

Eric: [In creepy voice]It’s a madhouse!

Laura: Basically.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: [In creepy voice]A madhouse.

Andrew: I’ve been thinking about it so much lately. Me and Melissa just worked out our intro. That’s going to be pretty fun.

Kevin: Oh, geez.

Andrew: I don’t want to spoil any surprises yet. It’s going to be a fun time. And, for those of you wondering. Yes, we’re going to have a video version. Yes, we’re going to have an audio version. The audio…

Kevin: Oh, we’re having a video version now?

Eric: We’re having video.

Andrew: Oh, we’re going to do it all.

Kevin: Awesome!

Andrew: We’re going to do any version you could possibly think of, but the video version won’t be up as soon as the audio. That could be up to a week, but the audio version will…

Kevin: Yeah, that’s going to be tough to edit.

Andrew: The audio version will be up the following day, which is Sunday, because right after the show we don’t want to do that. We’re going out to dinner.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: Have a good time.

Andrew: And chillax.

Laura: Slackers.

Andrew: Laura, you want to do it? You want to edit the show?

Eric: Yeah, yeah. We’ll send it to you down in Georgia.

Laura: Oh, thanks!

Eric: Because you’ll be sitting at home on your computer being like, “I can’t be in New York!”

Laura: You know what? You suck!

Andrew: So, that’s that. We can’t wait. Kevin, Eric, Ben, Micah, Emerson will all be there from MuggleNet. And TLC… Ehhh… You know…

Laura: No one cares about them.

Eric: Other fan sites as well? Harry Potter Fan Zone will be there.

Andrew: Oh yeah. Mike from Shurtugal.com, Aris Janetakos, who made an appearance on MuggleCast on Episode 2, and Matthew Vines might be there. I’m not sure.

Kevin: HPANA as well.

Eric: Oh, Jeff.

Andrew: Oh, right. Jeff.

Kevin: Jeff. Yep.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Jeffrey. Good man Jeffrey.

Eric: It will be a nice reunion.

Kevin: Yeah, it’s going to be quite a show.

Andrew: It’s going to be fun.

Kevin: It will be.


Andrew: But, moving right along. Today, we are announcing our new partnership with GoDaddy.com. GoDaddy is your No. 1 source for all your hosting needs. GoDaddy has domain names, transfers, and renewals for as low as $1.99.

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Andrew: And you might be saying, “Well, who says this GoDaddy is all said and good, and a good service?” Well, we have all used it ourselves.

Kevin: Yes, we have. I actually registered MuggleCast.com with it. So…

Andrew: Easy, quick, right? Yes?

Kevin: Yes. Very good. They actually called today.

Andrew: And, we’ve all…

Kevin: That was very good.

Andrew: Oooh!

Kevin: Yes.

Andrew: We’ve all used them for personal experience with different types of Internet hosting needs and we know a lot of you have come to us saying, “Well, how do you start your own website?” This is where you start with the hosting and the domain names.

Kevin: Yep. You got to have a good… Well, you have to have a good hoster before you have a good website.

Andrew: Yes, you do. And we do recommend GoDaddy today.


Andrew: Hey, guys. We screwed up again on Episode 13.

Eric: No, that was my fault, Andrew. I will take responsibility.

Andrew: Good job.

Eric: I did take responsibility on the Comments. It is…

Andrew: To clarify.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Go ahead.

Eric: To clarify it was not Katie Bell that was attacked in Book 6. It was, what was it?

Andrew: …Angelina Johnson. [Transcriber’s note: It was Katie Bell that was attacked]

Eric: Angelina Johnson. Sorry. So, when we were talking about the death attack that Draco was giving. I don’t know. Everybody understood what I meant, but it was incorrect. So…

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: And then we also got complaints about how we didn’t put a spoiler warning on Episode 13.

Eric: I…

Laura: Well…

Andrew: Because we talked about Goblet of Fire a lot. I mean…

Laura: But, we said we were talking about Goblet of Fire.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Telephone rings]

Andrew: People were upset, but I’ll put one at the beginning of this show if we talk about Goblet of Fire.

Eric: Too much.

Andrew: Heavy duty.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: For those of you wondering, that is my phone.

Andrew: I don’t think, I mean if you hear us start talking about Goblet of Fire just stop it. I mean I am sorry for those people who might have gotten spoiled a little, I guess, but we’ll start doing it again. I didn’t think it would be too much of a problem. My “B”. My “B”. My bad. Sorry, dudes.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: Also, I’m getting nightmare stories from people. Last week, we were talking about British schools.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Eric: And, I asked if they are really as bad as they are being portrayed in the Goblet of Fire movie, and actually as a matter of fact, they make it seem like a playtime, compared to the stories that I am getting from these people.

[Georgia laughs]

Eric: You know? I must of got, I got at least twenty different re-tellings of how people were… I am not even going to go into it. It’s bad. So, that answered my question. Thank you, people!

Andrew: But, thanks for keeping Eric entertained.

Eric: Yes.

[Laura and Kevin laugh]

Andrew: It’s nice to see him…

Kevin: He likes hearing horror stories.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s nice to see him busy.

Eric: Especially from British people. Yeah.

Andrew: And then also, quick Happy Birthday shout-outs! People who e-mail me say, “Hey! Can you wish me Happy Birthday on the show?” I say, “Eh. Sure!” Why not? It’s fun. [Laughs]

Happy Birthday to Chaya. Her birthday was back on the 16th. And Megan, who had a birthday earlier this week. So, [Singing] Happy Birthday to Megan and Chaya.

Eric: Also, if you’re a Harry Potter fan and would like to…

Andrew: Happy Birthday to you!

Eric: And if you would like to propose to your girlfriend or your future fiancé through this show, we do, do that for you.

Andrew: Happy Birthday to you!

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: We will gladly say, “Kim, will you marry Johnathan?”

Andrew: Happy Birthday to youuu! Wasn’t that nice background music while Eric was talking?

Kevin: Rambling?

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, and everyone don’t forget…

Eric: I was offering to do wedding announcements, Kevin.


Andrew: Everyone, do not forget. I don’t know, how could you forget, but November is…

Laura: Native American Month.

Eric: Native American Month.

Andrew: Right! And that’s why PowWows.com is sponsoring MuggleCast all this month to bring you the latest information all about Pow Wows, the Native American culture. They have videos, audio, pictures, calendars, dance routines, songs, it’s all there. So, visit PowWows.com/mugglenet for quick links for students and teachers. It really is a great resource and we have been getting lots of e-mails about it, people enjoying it, thanking us for mentioning it, bringing it to them.

Let’s see, what else? Heck! That’s it.

Book Reviews

Kevin: Oh, we could talk about book reviews. We have been debating and we need some recommendations for doing reviews on books that Harry Potter fans can read other than Harry Potter, while waiting for Book 7.

Eric: Yes.

Kevin: So, if you do want to send us recommendations for books, you can probably send it to my e-mail address. That’s kevin at staff dot mugglenet dot com and we have to, we’re going to take our time with it. So, we’ll try to do maybe one a week or one every two weeks because you have to give us time to review it. You know? Read the book itself. But, after that we should get that off the…

Eric: We’re going to see if it works out.

Kevin: Yeah. We’ll try.

Eric: Yeah. I mean, because I know for one, Ben can’t read, so he’s out for the reading.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: No, don’t.

Kevin: No.

Eric: He admitted to it. He said Ben… Ben said he can’t read.

Kevin: Well, Andrew’s dyslexic.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I can’t read. I’ll openly admit it.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: And, I don’t really read either. Which is…

Laura: None of us read. Do you know this book called Harry Potter?

Georgia: That’s a movie, Laura.

Laura: Maybe you’ve heard of it? Yeah.

Andrew: Parry Hotter? What?

Laura: [Laughs] Oh yeah. It is a movie.

Kevin: That’s where I’ve seen it.

Eric: Oh yeah, but what’s the…

Andrew: We are the most unentertaining podcast in the world!

Kevin: I know, but we try.

Andrew: I take that back. Now people are going to use that clip for other shows that hate us.

Laura: [Laughs] That’s going to be TLC‘s blackmail.

Eric: PotterCast will use that.

Andrew: You know, there several other Harry Potter podcasts out there.

Kevin: There are, yes.

Andrew: Believe it or not, we’re not the only one.

Georgia: But, we’re the best one.

Laura: Exactly!

Eric: Thank you, Georgia!

Andrew: Oh, Georgia! Thank you for saying that! How much should I promise to pay you?

[All laugh]

Georgia: I don’t get paid! What’s this?

[Andrew laughs]

Kevin: Payment?

Eric: I think the currency… No, Andrew, unfortunately the exchange rate is crap right now, so whatever you offered her is probably triple that.

Andrew: Oh! Oh! I take that back.

Goblet of Fire Chat

Andrew: We are only a few days away until Goblet of Fire. Well, it depends on when you’re listening to this.

Eric: We just talked about this.

Andrew: But, we’re definitely less than two weeks away from the Harry Potter film.

Georgia: Away? We don’t get it here until December 1st.

Laura: Awww!

Andrew: Ohhh!

Eric: What? The Australian…

Andrew: That’s right.

Georgia: Yeah, I don’t know why they would do that. Why the U.S. and U.K. get it, but we don’t in Australia.

Andrew: I forgot about that.

Eric: They’ll have it on the Internet.

Kevin: Oh geez.

Andrew: We’re all giddy, while in the meantime…

Kevin: Eric, don’t say that. Come on.

Eric: [Laughs] Kevin will get it for you.

Kevin: Oh yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Kevin: Let’s not. [Laughs]

Andrew: [Singing] WB, I hope you didn’t just hear that.

Kevin: Yes. Kevin would rather not be arrested.

Andrew: Ding, ding, ding, dun!

[All laugh]

Andrew: But, it would be pretty funny if someone came to arrest him during the LIVE show.

Kevin: Oh, okay.

Eric: They take him away.

Kevin: Do you want to give them the address too?

Andrew: So anyway…

Eric: No, the fans would mob them. No…

Andrew: So, if you live in the United States or the United Kingdom, Goblet of Fire is only two weeks away, less than two weeks away in fact. There has been a lot of news lately, but the one story we wanted to talk about was actually late-breaking. The follow-up just came out as we were about to record. A judge has dismissed the motion to block the Potter film in Canada. What happened was that the Wyrd Sisters, who play a role, their music is in the film, and recently they came to Warner Bros. and they said, “Hey. We don’t want to be in the movie.” They argued that a fictional rock band in the film would ruin their careers and were seeking $40 million in damages from Warner Bros.

[Kevin sighs]

Andrew: The Wyrd Sisters were going to be in the biggest film probably in the whole year and they were afraid it would ruin their career.

Eric: And they wanted $40 million?

Andrew: Does that make sense?

Eric: They wanted $40 million.

Georgia: Just, why would they do that?

Andrew: But, their name wasn’t use. It wasn’t used.

Laura: It has no name mentioned in the film.

Andrew: Warner Bros. proved it to them. This is the best promotion a band could get.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I just don’t understand why they’re…

Laura: Yeah, why they were so upset about it.

Andrew: They wanted $40 million from Warner Bros.? I want to know how much Warner Bros. paid them in the first place.

Eric: They would have gotten that if they just did a website of their own. You know? If they would have done “WyrdSisters.org” they would have gotten so many hits and ad revenue would have been $40 million. You know? From being a…

Andrew: This is just…

Eric: It’s crazy.

Andrew: It’s product placement. It’s easy. [Gets aggravated] It’s…

Eric: It’s free ads!

Laura: Yeah, but you know, I also think they might be doing it to get the attention.

Andrew: The press.

Laura: Because they probably know that there are a lot of Harry Potter fans.

Eric: But, you know what?

Andrew: They even… And then they wanted the film out of Canada.

Eric: Yeah! I mean…

Andrew: So, not only would they have made $40 million.

Eric: They would have ticked…

Andrew: It would have been banned from Canadian…

Eric: They would have ticked off everybody in Canada! You know. I have faith now in, now I have faith in the Canadian court system because…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, it was a little ridiculous. I don’t think it ever had a chance.

Andrew: But, now of course, the judge has dismissed it, so there is no more worry for the Canadian fans. They’re rejoicing. They’re all going, “Eh! Eh! Eh! Eh!”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: No, I love…

Andrew: It’s a happy world up in Canada.

Eric: I love the voicemail we got from the Canadian girl that said, “Eh!”

Laura: Yeah, where he was like, “Eh!” [Laughs]

Eric: “Eh, I’m from Canada. Eh!” That was good.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: Oh yeah. I remember that. So, that’s good. Anything else you guys want to talk about relating to Goblet of Fire?

Eric: Ummm.

Andrew: It’s only a few days away.

Laura: That…

Kevin: We’ll have a lot to talk about.

Andrew: World Premiere attendees, pretty much everyone. The Trio.

Kevin: Yeah, that was to be expected.

Andrew: Bonnie Wright.

Kevin: Well, that thing on MuggleNet, that was for the premiere in London. Do we know if there’s any less people coming?

Andrew: Right, World Premiere.

[Transcriber’s note: They are referring now to the New York premiere.]

Eric: Yeah. Is there more people?

Andrew: Yes. We do know who is going to be there, but I am not sure if we can talk about it.

Eric: Oh.

[Absolute silence]

Kevin: [Laughs] Wow! That’s silent!

Andrew: [Whispers] Do you think, wait, do you think they are still listening? Warner Bros.?

Eric: Yeah. I’d like to see, I’d like to see them try and take them away.

Laura: They are too busy arresting Matt Vines, guys.

Andrew: [Whispers] Oh yeah.

Eric: Well, you know what.

Andrew: [Whispers] I just don’t want them to hear us.

Eric: I’d like to see them and try and arrest us. If the cops came in, guys. If the cops came in, the fans would just mob them, and we would be able to escape through the back door.

Andrew: That is true.

Eric: Or we’d like change…

Andrew: The MuggleCast Army is the strongest thing I’ve ever seen.

Eric: Yes.

Laura: Yes! I concur.

Andrew: It got us back on iTunes. It made me a multi-millionaire. It’s doing everything perfectly for us.

Eric: Andrew, I thought your house looked different.

Andrew: Well, I will say this. The World Premiere has many more attendees than the Domestic Premiere does. Many more. Robbie Coltrane, Robert Hardy, who plays Fudge, Robert Pattinson, Rider Lloyd Pack, Shirley Henderson…

Eric: Oh, Moaning Myrtle.

Andrew: Oh, who else? Warwick Davis. They’re all… Oh, and JK Rowling is going to be at the World Premiere.

Eric: Will she be in New York?

Andrew: Basically, the entire cast is going to be there.

Eric: Andrew, will she be in New York?

Andrew: At the World Premiere.

Kevin: But, that was to be expected, I mean.

Laura: Yeah, Americans can’t saying “Rolling,” everyone.

Eric: Rolling.

Andrew: Rowling, Rolling. I don’t know. I just think growl, rowl. Growl, rowl.

Kevin: Rowl, Rowl.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Next time I see her, that’s what I am going to call her. Yo, “Growl Rowl!”

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: She’ll appreciate that. I am sure.

Eric: If she spelled it differently…

Andrew: Oh, I am sure she’ll love it.

Eric: If she spelled it like “Rolling,” people would be saying, “Rowling.”

Kevin: Never talk to her again.

Andrew: So, I guess there is really nothing else to say there. Well, also good news for everybody who isn’t going to be going to the World Premiere online. You’re going to be able to watch it live. Not the actual movie, but the Red Carpet arrivals. You won’t be able to…

Kevin: [Laughs] Well, you may be able to watch the actual movie if someone sneaks in their camera, you know?

Laura: Kevin. Hush!

Kevin: Oh, sorry.

Eric: Yeah, they’ll stop the movie to take the person out.

Laura: Warner Bros. is going to come and like…

Kevin: Arrest me?

Laura: Yeah, they are going to get us all in the night.

Kevin: MPAA will deliver a $5,000 bill to my door.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: That’s okay. We’ll just podcast from jail then. Guys, we’ll podcast from jail.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: It will be like, “Hi, we’re in the New York Penitentiary right now.”

Andrew: What does this doing for Warner Bros.? Why are they putting it online?

Kevin: Publicity.

Andrew: The Red Carpet arrivals.

Kevin: Publicity, I would say.

Eric: Because they are nice people.

Laura: Didn’t they do that with Chamber of Secrets, too?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And…

Laura: I’m pretty sure a lot of movie premieres, I’ve seen a lot of…

Andrew: …with Sorcerer’s Stone, too.

Laura: Especially recently just a lot of publicity online with movie premieres. So.

Andrew: It’s this online craze. It’s madness!

Kevin: It’s true and it’s getting a little bit more sophisticated now, so they can stream things a little easier.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Especially with wireless.

Andrew: I don’t watch TV very often, but I sat down and watched it last night. I went through four or five channels. All of them have Goblet of Fire ads. They’re putting it everywhere.

Laura: Yay!

Kevin: Yep.

Andrew: They’re, they’re, I mean I guess it’s good. Well, obviously for them it is.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Eric: Well, they have to meet the budget. They have to meet the budget of the film even though they would have done it anyway.

Andrew: Is it possible to overkill it?

Kevin: I don’t think so. I don’t think, I mean people…

Laura: I don’t think it matters.

Andrew: Especially with the Potter fandom.

Kevin: They’ll either see it or not. It’s like Lord of the Rings. They were pasting that all over the place. I saw that on billboards in Torrington. [Laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. But, I think if, I’ve said this in the past. If you promote it too much, people might get too much of a good look, and might change their minds on whether they want to see it or not.

Kevin: Well, the only thing I would be concerned about is that people think it is going to be better than it is because of all the publicity.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: And then they go and see it and they are disappointed because they have this expectation of it.

Eric: Like Prisoner of Azkaban.

Andrew: Right. Well, that’s what happened with me with Prisoner of Azkaban.

Eric: Yeah, me too.

Andrew: I’m not keeping my hopes up for Goblet of Fire.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Matthew Vines is not going to change my mind.

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, I’m sorry, but the movies aren’t the best, but…

Laura: Nooooo. They’re not.

Kevin: They’re entertaining. They’re entertaining.

Georgia: I’ll tell you what really annoyed me. I saw in a preview that Mad-Eye Moody has his eye strapped on?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. That’s a difference.

Georgia: What’s with that?

Laura: I don’t like that at all. I think it’s stupid.

Eric: I’m used to it now. I’ve gotten used to it though.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: To me that seems like a cheap way to not have to work on special effects.

Laura: Yeah, because if his eye is strapped in, it is not going to pop out like it is all the time. So.

Kevin: Yep.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Hey. We’re not sure about that though.

Eric: You know what I think it was, I think there are probably…

Laura: Well, we’re not, but I think Warner Bros. is being cheap.

Georgia: Mmm. Oh, you know I couldn’t believe what they did to that werewolf in the third movie.

Eric: Oh.

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: Oh. Yeah.

Georgia: That was just terrible. I’ll never forgive them for that.

Kevin: [Sighs] Ugh. It really was.

Andrew: Sirius in the fire is going to be a big upset, too.

Eric: What? No it… Eh…

Andrew: I think.

Eric: Matt said it was cool.

Andrew: It’s like an intern made that.

Eric: Hey! Hey!

Kevin: An intern probably did make that. [Laughs]

Eric: What’s wrong with interns?

Kevin: They were like, “We don’t have to do this. Hey, you, come over here?”

Andrew: There’s nothing wrong with interns, the problem is, well, it wasn’t an intern, and the poor guy who made that is crying right now because everyone keeps insulting it.

[All laugh]

Eric: I think it’s cool.

Kevin: “Oh, my work!”

Andrew: I know. He probably spent like three months on that.

Laura: Instead of like his head…

Andrew: His face is in the fire.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I had no problem with it.

Andrew: It looks like molten lava!

Laura: [Laughs] It does!

Andrew: It’s supposed to be in the gas…

Eric: I expected to see a…

Andrew: I mean, the flames.

Eric: Yeah. I expected to see more-

Laura: It’s like he’s actually in the logs.

Eric: Yeah. I kind of expected…

Andrew: You can’t even see logs!

Eric: I wanted…

Andrew: It’s molten lava!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Okay, Andrew…

Andrew: It’s like Harry’s in a volcano!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Andrew, I was expecting a more Wizard of Oz type of thing.

Kevin: He’s in a volcano.

Eric: I was expecting, like, the…all right screw it!

Laura: They’re like, trying to combine Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings now.

Kevin: Hey, we try.

Eric: Andrew, I was expecting a sort of Wizard of Oz

Andrew: They tried. That’s for sure.

Eric: …kind of man behind the curtain thing.

Andrew: All right. [Voice cracks]

Kevin: Wow! Your voice just cracked there!

Andrew: My voice just cracked and that’s about it.

Laura: Awww!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I’m finally growing up.

[All laugh]

Kevin: It’s about time.

Goblet of Fire Sweepstakes

Andrew: Oh, by the way, our Goblet of Fire Sweepstakes on MuggleNet.com. Click on that fine banner. Warner Bros. is great. Have you guys looked at these prizes yet?

Laura: No.

Andrew: Excellent prizes! Excellent prizes! We have Potter Sweatshirts, Dragon Eggs, future Triwizard Champion t-shirts, Ministry of Magic bags, temporary tattoos.

Laura: Ooooh!

Andrew: Come on! [Laughs]

Kevin: Ah! Everyone loves those temporary tattoos.

Andrew: Beauxbatons hoodies and beanies.

Eric: “Beauxbaxtons”?

Andrew: It’s all here! Oh, oh, and then the Grand Prize, worth a $125, a seven-inch replica of the Triwizard Tournament Cup thanks to the Noble Collection.

Kevin: And you can count, and you can count on me winning that. So, don’t even bother.

[All laugh]

Andrew: No, we’re playing absolutely fair.

Kevin: Yeah, we’re not allowed to win it. So…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They give us an extra one.

Andrew: They should. We’ve been getting a lot of e-mails too about where we can get these from, where people can buy these from. We don’t know yet. I mean, the Triwizard Cup you can get off of NobleCollection.com. The Potter Sweatshirt, which is the favorite among everyone because it looks like his jacket he worse in the Triwizard Tournament scene, I mean the Dragon Scene.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Cool.

Andrew: It’s actually a really sweet jacket. I want one, but I’m not going to get it. Some lucky person is going to win it.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Speaking of…

Laura: We’ll get you one for Christmas.

Andrew: Ah, would you?

Kevin: No. We wouldn’t.

[All laugh]

Andrew: Okay. By the way, guys. Christmas is right around the corner. We all want Christmas presents.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: Yes, we do.

Laura: Cough up.

Andrew: No joke. No joke.

Eric: Harry Potter iPod.

Kevin: I don’t get Christmas presents. [Fake sobs]

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Awww!

Kevin: No, I’m teasing. I do get Christmas presents, but still…

Andrew: All right, so I think that’s about it.

Eric: Ummm.

Andrew: Goblet of Fire.

Kevin: Send in book recommendations.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And speaking of t-shirts, if you have, once again we’re asking that if you have a nearby custom t-shirt store, that you create a MuggleCast t-shirt to wear to the premiere, if you’re coming, and make copies for us.

[All laugh]

Kevin: Make copies for us. Okay, that’s great.

Eric: I mean copies, extra shirts, make shirts for us too and we’ll wear them.

Kevin: Awesome.

Main Topic – Ginny Weasley

Andrew: Okay, so moving along to our Main Topic of the Week.

Eric: Ginny Whizzey.

Andrew: Continuing our regular series on a specific character in the HP series to bring out everything we need to know about that character. This week as promised, Eric?

Eric: Ginny Whizzey.

Andrew: Ginny Whizzey.

Eric: Ginny Whizzey.

Kevin: Say it with enthusiasm.

Eric: Ginny Whizzey!

Kevin: There you go.

Eric: There we go.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Today… This…

Andrew: Ginny Whizzey, Ginny Whizzey.

Eric: This week we’re talking about Ginny Whizzey.

Andrew: Let’s run through a few quick facts first about, all about her.

Laura: She is the only girl.

Eric: Yes, and if I remember, she was the first girl, she was the first Weasley that Harry saw at Kings Cross if I recall correctly.

Laura: I think she was, well, I think she was there with Mrs. Weasley and Ron, but I think she was definitely the first person he heard talk.

Eric: Heard. Yeah. Actually…

Laura: I don’t know. We might be wrong again. We do that sometimes.

Kevin: Could be.

Eric: Hang on, I have the first book.

Andrew: No guarantees. Her full name, Ginevra Molly Weasley. Born: August 11, 1981. She is a pureblood, thankfully.

Laura: What, are you prejudiced here?

Andrew: Her first year at Hogwarts. No, no, no.

Kevin: You just said, “thankfully.”

Andrew: Her first…

[All laugh]

Andrew: Because I didn’t want Draco to insult her. Duh!

[All laugh]

Laura: You’re so full of it!

Andrew: Her first year at Hogwarts, 1992, Gryffindor House. A Seeker for the Gryffindor team, isn’t that great? Yay!

Kevin: That’s excellent.

Laura: Yay!

Andrew: The Weasleys, they’re taking over the Quidditch.

Kevin: They are.

Andrew: Is it a genes thing?

Kevin: It’s possible. It’s distinctly possible.

Andrew: Genes in the Weasleys.

Eric: Quidditch. It’s actually the they have out in the back of their house. You know, all that summer practice?

Laura: Ah.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Anyway…

[Kevin laughs]

Andrew: She’s not a Parselmouth, but of particular interest, she named Dumbledore’s Army.

Laura: Oh.

Kevin: Oh she did. You’re right.

Andrew: There you go. Thanks to the HP Lexicon for all that info. No, I didn’t pull it out of my head. You kidding me!

Eric: You know I was actually fairly certain I hoped at least, that Ginny’s first name was Virginia and not Ginevra because…

Laura: Yeah, so was I until we found out.

Eric: It was like, yeah….Virginia. But actually clarifying, Ginny was the first Weasley child that Harry took note of when he is at Platform 9 and 3/4, when he’s at Kings Cross Station. Molly says, “Packed with Muggles” and that gets Harry’s attention and then she asks, “What’s the platform number?” and Ginny says, “9 and 3/4”. And…yeah. “9 and 3/4” piped a small girl, also red-headed who was holding her hand. “Mum, can’t I go?”

Laura: Just a general interest question. Who on here, when they first started reading the books, actually called her ‘Ginny’. [With a hard “G” sound]

Kevin: I didn’t, for sure.

Laura: I did.

Andrew: I don’t think it anyone did.

Eric: I think that was a strictly…

Andrew: Really?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I thought that was a strictly Laura thing to do. I don’t know.

Laura: [Laughs] No, I was eleven. I actually got the first three books for my eleventh birthday. I know, pretty cool. And as I’m reading the 1st Book I kept calling her ‘Ginny’ [With a hard “G” sound] and I’m reading it out loud at one point and my mom’s like…gives me this look like “Are you a moron? It’s Ginny!”. So…

Eric: Well…

Andrew: At eleven years old!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: It’s one of those things where if you’ve seen the name before and if you’ve seen it written, you know how to pronounce it like…actually is Hermione a common name or is it like a name…like where does…

Laura: I actually looked that up at one point and according to Behindthename.com, we don’t have to, we can just leave that out if we need to, don’t have to plug them, but according to that site Hermione was actually a fairly popular name in Britain in the ’20’s and ’30’s.

Eric: Kind of like Emma or Emily and, you know? Gertrude here in the States.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, so that’s really interesting because I’m wondering where does JKR get all her names from, I mean, she has this extensive you know, list of everybody’s you know, Latin origins and everybody’s mythology and you know, she delves into like all of it. And some of it, I mean is probably even unintentional and she just goes so far into it with the creation of a name.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And I’m wondering if they’re also like popular names as well.

Laura: Well, also I mean, you’ve definitely got some mythological influences because Hermione in Greek Mythology was the woman loved by two men, but this is not the HermioneCast. So…

Eric: I don’t think it’s Harry and Ron either. We don’t want to get those emails.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: The two men are Ron and Draco, okay. I’m establishing that right now.

Laura: Draco?

Eric: It’s better than Harry.

Laura: Try Krum.

Eric: Okay yeah, Krum, alright Krum and Ron. That works.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Actually, talking about Ginny, since that’s what we were supposed to do in this Cast, I have to say that I actually called the Ginny/Harry relationship. I actually was…I was very pleased in Book 6 to find that my ‘ship had sailed because…not that I ship Harry characters because I really, really don’t but I was pleased to see because I thought that Ginny would make a really good potential girlfriend for Harry and it’s really a shame because with all the romance in Book 6, we really didn’t see Harry and Ginny together at all.

Andrew: When did you predict this?

Eric: Throughout the series when I was reading, I just thought, “Oh gee, wouldn’t it be nice, you know, for Ginny”. Because you have crazy girls like Cho and stuff and then you have Ginny who has always liked Harry, and who is actually growing into not just you know, this giddy little girl, but this actually really good defenseful…you know? So, I was very happy, I was like, “Hey!” you know?

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: I kind of always…I never really shipped the characters, but I always thought that Ginny and Harry should really happen and I was very happy that it did.

Laura: I never really cared all that much. I’m kind of like you, Eric, I just was like, “Oh okay, that’s cool.”

Eric: Yeah, kind of tuned it out. You still read the romance scenes but they don’t really exist in your mind.

Laura: Yeah. Pretty much.

Andrew: Maybe one day we should do a whole podcast on well, our main topic, should be ‘shipping because I just don’t see what the big deal about it is.

Laura: Valentine’s Day! That should be like the special Valentine’s Cast.

Andrew: Oh, good idea!

Eric: Valentine’s! Yeah, okay, Valentine’s Cast, alright.

Andrew: If podcast thing is still in style in February, let’s mark that down.

Laura: It will be.

Andrew: But I just don’t see the whole thrill of this ‘shipping thing.

Laura: No, no.

Andrew: It’s because I’m a guy.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: You’re up for the adventure, not for the romance.

Laura: Hey!

Eric: You’re going to get flamed.

Laura: Hey I’m a girl, and I don’t think the ‘shipping is all that.

Eric: Yeah let’s not get into this all right.

Laura: Yeah, we’ll get into this whole…

Eric: We’re talking about Ginny here, we’re talking about Ginny. Now it’s interesting…okay fine, I’ll just start another topic like I have been doing. Okay. The Parselmouth thing, I thought for sure, again, like with the Virginia thing, I thought it would be really cool if Ginny were still a Parselmouth from when Riddle possessed her, and I thought that would be a kind of really cool way of leaving his powers with Ginny since he talked Parselmouth through her, I thought it would be cool if she retained those. But then JKR said that she didn’t. So.

Laura: And I’m pretty sure that has something to do with Horcruxes not being able to transfer power.

Eric: Exactly. I was just going to get to that. Laura, you’re brilliant.

Laura: Thank you.

Eric: If Harry is a Horcrux then why does he have Voldemort’s powers, even when Voldemort’s not acting through him? Oooh. Booya!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Take that all you Horcrux-Harry ‘shipper people.

Andrew: All right, so let’s take a couple of voicemails right now. Keep this convo going.

Eric: About Ginny.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, this is Katrina from Canada. On her website, JK Rowling says that Ginny is the first girl born into the Weasley Clan in a few generations. Do you think that this has some effect on the person that she is and the character that she will mature into in Book 7?

Laura: Yeah, I think it will because you see a lot of pressure just from Ron by being the youngest boy, so you’ve got to imagine being the youngest girl with all those siblings.

Kevin: Yeah, but do you think…

Laura: You feel like you have a lot to live up to so I think she really has that motivation and it’s really toughened her up.

Kevin: Yeah, but do you think that will affect her in Book 7 even after she’s lived with that her whole life?

Laura: I think you’ll always have some type of…she might always feel like she’s in competition with her brothers in a way, but she seems like a pretty strong personality to me. Like she handles them really well.

Kevin: I think it’s already changed her but she’s not going to change any more because of it.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. I agree.

Kevin: I find it hard to believe that, you know, she’s going to…

Georgia: I think with having so many brothers, you know that scene where she was caught by Ron in the cupboard snogging and they had that little bit of a fight and how harsh she was to Ron and everything?

Kevin: Yes.

Laura: Yeah that was good.

Georgia: I think that a lot of that is to do with all the boys that have been around her and the second she has a boyfriend or something there’s all this pressure?

Kevin: I agree, and they all want to kick his butt. I think Ron wanted to kick…who was Ginny with?

Laura: Dean.

Eric: Yeah, but that’s the other thing with Ginny, she not only has to deal with all those brothers, but she has to deal with a brother like Ron who tends to be…yeah, hypocritical and you know, very emotional when it comes to what his sister is doing that he isn’t. So, you know, I think it’s in Ron’s personality, Ron’s personality makes it a little bit harder for Ginny to deal with, but I think she gets by very well.

Kevin: So, I think we all agree that she’s not going to change any more than she has.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Based on her…yeah.

Kevin: There’s no reason for her to…

Andrew: Well, you mean change as in what?

Kevin: Well, I mean she asks whether because of this she’s going to…is it going to effect her the way she matures in Book 7 but I…

Georgia: Yeah, I don’t think her character has much more growth.

Laura: Yeah.

Georgia: You know? She’s been developed over the fifth and sixth book and I think she’s, we’ve got a firm idea of who she is now and I don’t think she’s going to change much in Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And I don’t…

Laura: I agree.

Eric: If she does grow, if she does grow it will probably be more in the relationship sense as I did mention, we don’t really see much of her and Harry in Book 6 even though they’re together, they don’t really show it.

Georgia: Yeah.

Eric: So, anymore maturity I think will come from Harry and her relationship and not be more of like family-related stuff.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, but I think she’ll play her biggest role in Book 7.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Just because…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: You know, I think that’s the way it’s been going and now they’re in a relationship, so even though Harry doesn’t want to, she’s going to want to be near him and all that.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I think though…I don’t think that Jo is going to – again we touched on this, I don’t even remember what episode – but I don’t think the romance is going to have any bearing on the overall plot or…

Kevin: Well, it really can’t.

Laura: Whether basically Harry and Ginny being together is not going to depend on whether Harry defeats Voldemort or not.

Eric: Yeah, I think one of the things that’s smart about keeping Ginny close to Harry is that Ginny was possessed in Book 2 by Voldemort, so she’s had that close contact with Voldemort and I think it’s really important to see all the people close to Harry have really been affected directly.

Laura: Exactly.

Eric: By things that Voldemort has done. And it’s kind of like an unlinking, like a step-by-step unlinking of him in Book 7 is what I foresee because everybody who is near him has had something happen to them and they’re just going to, it’s all going to come back. Like I mean, all the characters that come forward are going to…you know it’s going to be brought up like what happened to them that Voldemort did. Including Neville. Andrew…is Andrew cutting out to anybody?

Kevin: Yeah he’s breaking.

Laura: Yeah. He’s breaking up pretty bad. A little.

Kevin: Still, yeah. It’s like last time. Whoa, it’s weird. Okay, so I think we explained that pretty well. I mean, again just to reiterate, she has matured enough so that her family situation is not going to effect what she becomes in Book 7.

Eric: Except…

Kevin: She’s going to play a large role in Book 7, but the relationship isn’t.

Eric: Except for a flower girl at Bill and Fleur’s wedding.

Kevin: That’s true.

Eric: But that’s about it.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, my name’s Ellis and I’m coming to you from Wellington in New Zealand. My question this week is: Do you think there is any further connection between Ginny Weasley and Lord Voldemort? Also, why do you think Lucius Malfoy chose Ginny Weasley to receive the diary? More to the point, do you think Lucius knew that it was a Horcrux? Love to hear you guys’ thoughts, thanks.

Andrew: Its a multiple-tiered question.

Georgia: I thought I, I don’t know where I’ve got this from but I thought that Voldemort would have given Lucius the diary and told him to keep it safe or whatever, however he explains it, but I don’t think he would have told his Death Eaters about all his Horcruxes and their locations because…I don’t know.

Laura: No, I agree whole-heartedly. I don’t think Lucius knew.

Eric: Yeah, it’s actually said, it’s actually said in the book, if I’m not mistaken, that Dumbledore speculates that when Voldemort gave Lucius the diary, he told him some things about like that it might bring the Chamber back open.

Georgia: Ah.

Eric: But he didn’t tell them about the Horcrux.

Georgia: That’s where I would have got my idea from then!

Eric: It was actually like speculated. Yes, JKR, the best source.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And then even if you think about would he really risk putting that in, right in front of Dumbledore had he known?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: If he knew it was…

Eric: Right. The reason I think he chose Ginny was because he saw her as a weak girl and at that point, he was as, also as Dumbledore says, he was in it for his own selfish reasons and Arthur Weasley was conducting all these raids and stuff so wouldn’t it be great to discredit Mr. Weasley by killing his daughter or, you know? And his daughter completely fit the type. She was a shy, kind of girl who would write a diary. So, it really worked.

Laura: Yeah. I agree, I think it was a total, just a hit on the Weasleys, just because he didn’t like them and not to mention Lucius Malfoy and Arthur Weasley got into that huge fight right before Lucius put the diary…I think he actually slid it into one of Ginny’s schoolbooks or something.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: And threw it back at her. So, that might have been a little bit of inspiration for him as well.

Kevin: Yeah, but do you think that she, do you think he chose her specifically or just the opportunity presented itself?

Laura: It might have been a little bit of both. I think maybe he had an idea that he would like to do something like that to the Weasleys and maybe, I’m not sure whether or not he knew they had a young daughter. Maybe he saw her in there and realized that they did and was like, “Oh yeah, perfect!” and gave it to her.

Eric: He could have planted it on any Hogwarts student and he chose, he chose Ginny and that might have been that it presented itself, but I don’t think he was sitting, “Okay we’re going to corner them in Flourish and Blotts and I’m going to put it in their cauldron,” you know?

Andrew: Would the outcome have had been any different though? If say, it was one of the other first years? Because I’m trying to remember how…well Harry found out that Ginny…it was Ginny.

Eric: They were in the staff room.

Andrew: Yeah. Right.

Eric: Yeah they were…it was in the staff room. It was Ron and Harry snuck into the staff wardrobe, before the boggart was in there.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: And they overheard that it was Ginny and so that’s when they said…

Kevin: Well, overhead it was Ginny who was taken.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Who was taken, right. And then so yeah, it would have been another student who was taken down, but I think they might have reacted in the same way. They would have gotten frightened and tried to throw it away so the plot may have still played out a little bit, but I think it was important that it was Ginny.

Kevin: I’m not sure if it was important that it was Ginny. I think…

Laura: I think you definitely needed a timid personality for that.

Andrew: Yeah but I think, well you had to be very curious. You know? I think that’s one of the things that Ginny played into.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: She was so curious over the diary.

Georgia: It was perfect for it to be Ginny because you know she’s got all those brothers like we mentioned with the first voicemail and she is susceptible to, as in she has no one to share her secrets with, so therefore she’s susceptible to Tom Riddle’s weird little mind-powering thing.

Eric: Yeah. Georgia that’s…

Laura: It’s something she doesn’t have to share with her brothers.

Georgia: Yeah.

Eric: Because she doesn’t have a sister to share that with, you’re right. That’s…she has nobody to tell so she’s going to tell Tom. I thought it was clever. Reading Book 2, it’s always funny to see how they all have trouble starting off the day when they’re going to Kings Cross and Ginny forgets her diary and they go back for it.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I think that’s so cool. I love it when JKR does that.

Laura: She’s the Queen of Foreshadowing. I’m so jealous.

Kevin: Yeah, and it’s funny because she foreshadows so far in advance that you don’t see it coming.

Laura: Mhm. Oh, she’s so good at it.

Eric: And you know what, does she do it intentionally? I mean you know, I think it’s all about…

Laura: Yes!

Eric: It’s all about her knowing how the septology is going to go and you know, how it’s going to go. So I mean, all that stuff about her foreshadowing and stuff, people on message boards across the fandom are going and analyzing so much into the motivation behind every line and I’m in favor of that, by the way, but also some of the stuff that exists, I really don’t think JKR is ever going to come forward and say, “I did all of it.” I really don’t think she’s, you know she’s not going to acknowledge that she actually, but I think it’s really clever that we all see her as this omniscient, flawless character because so much has fit together like puzzle pieces into the thing.

Laura: Well, that’s why we jump to so many conclusions like with Mark Evans.

Eric: Exactly, but JKR has said that she doesn’t re-read her books and stuff and it’s so awkward because how well the books fit together and how true they are and how little they are contradictory, it’s so cool that she doesn’t read her own books, which is…

Georgia: Well, she said in an interview once, a reporter came up to her and said something about the origin of the word Quidditch and JK Rowling actually said that she’d simply just written down a whole bunch of cool-sounding words that started with “Q” and picked one, but the reporter thought it had to do with quintessence or something like that.

[Laura laughs]

Georgia: Yeah, I don’t quite remember the quote.

Eric: Eric.

Georgia: But yeah there are a lot of things that are accidental, but some things that are definitely planted.

Eric: And that’s… Yeah. I think it would be interesting if she actually surveyed herself and did go through in the books and say how much was actually intentional and how much just formed itself. Because I think that’s definitely a testament to the creative mind.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: But, more Ginny, yay!

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast, this is Natalie from Harry Potter Fanzone.com and my question is, how do you guys feel about the relationship between Ginny and Harry and do you think that Ginny is worthy enough to be the girlfriend of the famous Harry Potter?

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Georgia: I have supported that ‘ship forever!

Laura: Sure.

Kevin: Yeah. Definitely.

Andrew: Not only that, I mean just because you’re famous doesn’t mean the person who you have a relationship with has to be. You know?

Georgia: I think Ginny can handle his fame and his popularity. She’s such a strong character; I think that she can definitely be with him.

Eric: She can handle anything.

Laura: Yeah. And she’s got the spunk to…

Georgia: I mean she survived from Voldemort.

Eric: Yeah. What about in Book 6 where it was about the tattoo or whatever where there was rumors going around that Harry had a tattoo?

Laura: [Laughs] Yeah!

Eric: And she goes, “I told them it was a Hippogriff, it was more manly” or something. She can handle any rumors going around about her and Harry; she just deals with his fame.

Georgia: Yeah.

Eric: And she just deals with it, to be with him, so it’s really cool.

Georgia: And she’s grown so much over the last two books and she’s experienced a lot in common with Harry like how, especially with the whole Riddle thing being possessed and being a victim and everything, she can relate to him more than any other girl could.

Eric: And because Harry and the Weasleys are so close. You know, Harry and Mrs…and he’s always over there, so they really do have a lot more in common.

Kevin: They do, especially…I think on a different level, their family situation as well. I mean she’s like the odd person out in the family because she’s the girl, like we said before. You know? And I think that Harry obviously is an odd person out in what you would call his family now with the Dursleys and I think that they can also relate on that level.

Eric: Yeah, so even…yeah, so that’s an interesting point. So, even though they can relate through being a family they can also relate through not really being in the family.

Kevin: Exactly. I mean they, yeah sort of strange connection, but I think that just the fact that they have so much in common, makes it so that they are quite obviously a good couple. But what comes of that is the question.

Georgia: When Harry pulled the whole Spiderman thing at the end of the book, I think their relationship is just on hold, I don’t think it’s over at all.

[Everyone Laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I agree. Most definitely.

Eric: I love that, the Spiderman thing!

Kevin: Okay, that leads to a different point. Do you think that they will ever have a full relationship before the end of Book 7?

Eric: If Harry doesn’t die, I want them to.

Laura: Well, I think – what I could really, honestly see happening is Harry and Ginny having like their little moments throughout Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But, it won’t be an official type thing until Voldemort’s gone.

Andrew: Because they’ll be so quick and there’s going to be so much going on, it’s just going to be like, “Hey! Dah dah dah dah dah!”

Eric: Okay right, you know what? I think we’re going to…yeah.

Andrew: Sorry, Eric.

Eric: I think actually you know what? I’m thinking. No problem, Andrew. I think that we’re going to see some James and Lily parallel. I really want to see a James and Lily parallel because James and Lily Potter defied Voldemort three times and so they really must have, even though we didn’t get any insight into it much because Lily hated James in Book 5 in the Pensieve scene, they did work together to destroy Voldemort, and I think it would be really cool if we got kind of like a reminiscent James and Lily situation with Harry and Ginny, working together, you know? They like each other but they’re also working towards defeating Voldemort.

Kevin: Yeah, that’s what I was hoping for, something where they…they like each other but it’s not a true relationship yet.

Eric: Yeah, but it will…yeah but they’re fighting for…

Kevin: Just working together.

Laura: Right.

Eric: Yeah, and they’re fight for Voldemort will strengthen their relationship as well.

Kevin: Exactly. And then they can, then she can wrap it up in the end, you know where she doesn’t give a detailed account of the relationship, but she somewhat foreshadows to what’s going to happen. You know?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: You know, I think so much crap has happened to Harry that he really deserves a…he really deserves Ginny. He deserves to live.

Laura: He deserves a loving relationship definitely.

Eric: He deserves a loving relationship like Ginny can give him and I don’t think Harry should die because if people knew that Harry died, and if Harry does die, who would read the books? Would you guys still read the books? If you knew that the character you’re reading about.

Laura: Well.

Kevin: I would if she did it in a certain way.

Eric: Yeah, the character…

Laura: We’ll have already read them. So, it won’t matter.

Eric: Well right, yeah the damage is done. But, I mean the…JKR gives us so much insight into his thoughts at every particular moment in, throughout the course of seven years, and if he dies, none of it will matter. Like in a certain way, we can get our own enlightenment from it and we can…

Laura: I don’t agree necessarily. Because when someone dies, they always leave some kind of imprint behind.

Eric: Yeah, it’s…I mean we can derive things from Harry’s story and we can become more mature through studying his emotions and things like that, but beyond that, I really don’t want to, you know…

Laura: I don’t want Harry to die either, but honestly I see Ron as a more likely death candidate than Harry.

Eric: Er, yeah. We’ve talked about this.

Kevin: See, I don’t know about that, though, because I always thought that Harry was going to die because of JK Rowling setting up the characters around him dying.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: She’s killed off so many of his close friends and his relatives…

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: …that it almost seemed to me she was trying to portray this, “There’s no going back now” kind of thing. So, I’m not trying to be you know, redundant, but again, the Lord of the Rings analogy.

Laura: Right.

Kevin: Where Frodo comes back to the Shire, but it’s not saved for him.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: So, he would never be the same. I sort of had the feeling that Harry would never be the same after everything is over.

Laura: Right. The main reason that I think that Ron is going to bite the dust is that Chess analogy. It was completely, if you read, we talked about the one editorial where they compare the Chess Game in Book 1 to the Second War and, yeah, if you compared all, if you put certain people in different places as different pieces and then obviously you have Ron getting killed by the Queen.

Eric: But, all three of them did prosper in the end, I guess.

Laura: They did.

Eric: Well, at least Harry went on so, you know.

Andrew: I just think the reason why Ron would die is because he’s so weak. Weak in a way…

Laura: Awww!

Andrew: I just seem him as weak.

Eric: Honestly, he is a flawed character in many ways.

Kevin: Now, what do you mean by weak. Do you mean…?

Andrew: I mean that he…I don’t know how to explain it. He’s just, not weak in character but weak in attitude. He’s not a can-do guy like Harry. He’s, he’s just…if he was faced with a situation where it was life or death for him, he wouldn’t survive.

Laura: I could see Ron…

How would he? He’s not good at spells. He’s not good at anything.

Eric: “My wand, look at my wand!”

[Laura laughs]

Georgia: He’s spent his life overshadowed by people, he’s always had his older brothers.

Andrew: Right.

Georgia: And then he’s always had Harry and he’s never had a chance to show who he is and I don’t know, maybe that’s why he’s seen as weak.

Laura: I think if Ron does go down its going to be like sacrificing himself.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Really for the good, I don’t think it’s going to be…

Eric: That’s really the…yeah.

Georgia: I agree, actually.

Laura: It’s not just Voldemort going Avada Kedavra and Ron dies, and that’s what is going to happen.

Eric: I think that’s in Ron’s character, the only thing Ron can do, if he can’t help with the battle. You know, if he’s not a strong wizard, the best thing he can do is sacrifice himself. But, I don’t want Ron to die. I like Ron.

Laura: I know, I like Ron too!

Eric: I like his flaws.

Kevin: I think it adds for a more dynamic character. And I don’t see…I honestly don’t see him dying. Like I don’t see him…if he was faced with a life and death situation, I think he’d smarten up pretty quickly. I think that he maybe died in the crossfire kind of thing, but I don’t see him dying because he’s too weak.

Laura: Mhm. I think Ron is smarter than he and others give him credit for.

Kevin: So, well not to break this but…

Laura: Yeah, this is the GinnyCast!

Kevin: Ron is another topic for another day.

Andrew: And I think we’ve covered Ginny Weasley pretty well.

Kevin: I think we did. Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, she knows injustice. She knows what she’s doing. She knows the meaning of hypocrisy and you know that’s really all you need in the Harry Potter universe.

Kevin: But I do see so only one thing possibly happening as well, is that she’s going to get herself in trouble to help Harry. That’s the one thing that…

Eric: Like what do you mean? Like the Spiderman thing?

Kevin: Well, sort of like that but in the sense that…

Laura: I could see her doing something to try and help Harry.

Kevin: Something stupid, rash.

Laura: Yeah, and it would end up getting her in trouble and making things a little worse.

Eric: But I did mention a few, actually it was like three or four episodes ago, and I said in Book 6 where Harry says you know, “I can’t be with you.” She does basically say, once again “Screw that.” And she says, “We’re going to help.” She said, “We’re going to help you anyway,” so I think whatever Ginny does, I think it’s in her character to get herself in trouble for Harry, but at the same time he shouldn’t be held responsible for that. I think she’s fully aware of all her actions. And, I think that’s what makes Ginny a great character and a responsible character.

Kevin: Yeah, definitely.

Laura: I agree.

Kevin: So, do you want to do the outro for Georgia before we…

Laura: Yes, I think we should.

Andrew: Why does she have to go?

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, she has to go because her dad’s there.

Kevin: Should we outro her or should we just give her an exit.

Andrew: What do you mean outro or exit?

Kevin: Well, just…

Andrew: I’ll do it. Georgia, you’re still here, right? Okay. All right, well that pretty much wraps it up for this part of the show.

Eric: For Ginny.

Andrew: Right, but Georgia has to leave us right now because she must be on her way. Thanks for joining us, Georgia!

Georgia: Thank you, I had a really nice time chatting to everyone.

Laura: Thanks for coming, Georgia.

Kevin: Yeah, thank you, Georgia.

Andrew: Yeah, you were great, a great addition so we’ll have you on another time, I’m sure.

Georgia: Excellent. Enjoy the rest of the show.

Kevin: Not next week’s show because that’s a LIVE podcast.

Georgia: I’m coming to the live one.

Andrew: Yeah, do you want to fly in?

Eric: Do you want to catch a ride?

Laura: Oh you’re going to like bring Georgia but you don’t…I see how it is?

Andrew: We’re not going to bring a girl from Georgia up.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: Thank you for joining us.

Laura: Thanks for joining us, Georgia.

Kevin: Bye, bye.

Georgia: Bye.

Laura: Bye.

Voicemails – Dementors

Andrew: Now it’s time for the Voicemails, the part of the show where you send in your thoughts, comments, questions, concerns, theories.

Kevin: Regarding general stuff.

Andrew: Hoop-la. Yeah, whatever you want really in Harry Potter. Let’s play the first one right now.

[Audio]: Hi MuggleNet Boys and Laura. I totally love your show. Anyway, I’m Celene from the Philippines and I was watching Prisoner of Azkaban last night and I was just wondering where do dementors come from? I mean, how exactly do you think they reproduce? Do they just pop out of nowhere. I know this curiosity is probably answered by Luna Lovegood or something that I just missed and which is so sad because Luna is my favorite character. I want to hear what you have to say about it. Thanks.

Kevin: An infection or bacteria.

Laura: Yes, I agree.

Kevin: It flourishes where things are unclean or in this case unhappy. I think the whole reason why they are reproducing so fast is because people are worried, they’re nervous, they’re scared because of Voldemort coming back, and I think they’re just like an infection in the way that they flourish when these feelings are commonplace.

Laura: I agree completely, I think it is a spontaneous generation type thing. I do not think that dementors mate.

[Lots of groaning]

Laura: That would be…[Laughs]

Eric: I like the correlation, in Book 6 there is a (in the beginning I believe), there is a cold front or something and they’re mating and it makes everything, like the whole temperature and weather and everything cold outside. I love that correlation because…

Andrew: Yeah, doesn’t it have something to do with the fog?

Laura: So, wait…

Andrew: I thought Fudge mentioned something once.

Laura: He mentioned that, I believe he said something about there being more cold and fog due to dementors. Because I believe that wherever a dementor is, it’s very cold and unhappy.

Eric: Yeah. Maybe we don’t know. Maybe nobody knows how they reproduce. Because it’s so foggy when it happens. You see like…”G’day, here I am. You know, in the dementor sac.”

[All laugh]

Laura: Urgh!

Kevin: Okay, okay. Completely inappropriate.

Eric: Real live dementor!

Andrew: We’re cutting that out.

Kevin: Yes, we are. Yeah but I think that’s the most viable solution, not solution but answer. I think that’s the only thing we can assume. But beyond that it’s just that, it’s an assumption. I don’t see JK Rowling putting in something that’s where they breed or anything like that. I think that they are like a bacteria or an infection where they flourish.

Andrew: They feed on the evil.

Kevin: The emotion.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, the emotion. Yeah.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And you know as long as there are humans, there will be evil.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: But anyway…

Andrew: Evil!

Kevin: I think that answers that question.

Eric: No, no, no, no.

Kevin: No?

Eric: You forgot about the origin. Where do they come from?

Kevin: Oh.

Eric: They aren’t in Fantastic Beasts, are they?

Andrew: I can check. I do not believe so.

Eric: Yeah, they actually aren’t so…what I heard was some people are speculating that dementors were actually manufactured characters, not manufactured, but created by wizards or just by their bad emotions.

Kevin: Well, it’s possible that, the way I always thought of it, is that every good has an evil, kind of thing? And. I think that’s symmetry throughout the book, there’s Harry and there’s Voldemort kind of thing. And, I think that for all the good there is, there has to be an evil, and I think the dementors are the balance.

Laura: Also, I believe that dementors represent depression, and where you have people, there will always be depression there will always be sadness. So, I don’t think there’s a specific origin, it’s just where there are people there will be dementors.

Kevin: And, I think that if they knew where they came from and it was a viable source, then they would have tried to exterminate them long ago.

Andrew: A long time ago.

Eric: Even though they are…

Kevin: I mean why would you want those things walking around?

Eric: Well they are pretty effective for the Azkaban.

Laura: Not anymore! [Laughs]

Kevin: But, do you think they would have kept them around when they could have just wiped out the whole lot of them? You know what I mean?

Eric: Yeah, I know what you mean. I like the idea of the dementors because they were JKR’s way, as of Book 3, before they were terribly developed, they sort of served for me as a reason to be upset, like if… It’s an explanation, if you’re ever upset about something and you don’t know why, there could be a dementor nearby. It was just like this brilliant invention like, “Ho, hey maybe that’s why…”

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: You know, it was like an explanation.

Laura: That’s why Episode 13 was cursed.

Kevin: Yes.

Laura: There were dementors.

Eric: Because there were dementors outside, yeah. But no because I think it’s a brilliant, like it’s her solution of doing it, just like her approach to the Salem Witch Trials you know? And her approach with the boggart with all the things like under our bed and in the closet and things like that. The boggart was a brilliant invention, and it applies to all of our fears and things. So.

Kevin: Yeah, definitely. Okay. Onto the next voicemail. Chevon from Australia.

Andrew: That was a good question.

Kevin: What?

Andrew: That was a good question.

Kevin: It was a good question.

Laura: That was a good question. I liked that one.

Voicemails – Hagrid’s Fate

[Audio]: Hello MuggleNet, I’m Sylvain from Berlin. What I wanted to say is I had the impression that Hagrid’s been somewhat laid aside in the sixth book. I mean apart from Aragog’s burial, Harry, Ron and Hermione didn’t visit him, they are not going to his lessons, and there is no usual strange animals plot. I wanted to know what do you think Hagrid’s role will be in Book 7. Thanks, and continue the show, it’s great.

Andrew: It’s going to be something with the Giants. I don’t know what.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Yeah I was going to say…

Laura: I don’t know why but.

Andrew: Hagrid will play a role to get the Giants to play a role.

Kevin: Exactly.

Eric: But, I think that’s what he did in Book 5. I wanted to say that his main job probably in the series is already done, is what I was going to say, but then I realized…

Andrew: Really, you think so?

Eric: No, no I don’t which is why I…

Andrew: You’re lying to yourself.

Eric: Yes, I was. And, so I think by Book 7, I think he will have another big role to play. Now, if you guys remember which I’m sure you do because you’re old enough. You remember that everybody was, Hagrid was the favourite to die in Book 5.

Laura: Yep.

Eric: But he didn’t.

Kevin: And Book 6.

Eric: And Book 6, but he didn’t.

Kevin: And Book 4 I think.

Eric: And I think that’s important you know, everybody thinks that Hagrid is going to die, but he has been through the Giants, he’s been through the Buckbeak thing, he’s been through everything and he’s still been alive and I think that’s tremendously important.

Kevin: And to be honest, I don’t see him dying because she represents him as such a hardy person.

Eric: Jolly.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: Someone who lives through things that other people wouldn’t live through.

Laura: Right.

Kevin: You know stuff like that when they broke his wand and cast him out.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: He still kept hope and continued being active in the wizarding world.

Eric: And dude, all the Death Eaters like attacking him and him defending them all.

Andrew: Dude, exactly this.

Laura: Yeah, that was awesome.

Eric: And they get him and they burn his hut and he’s still there like fending them off.

Kevin: Exactly, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Hagrid is…

Kevin: He obviously is a very resilient person and I don’t see him dying.

Laura: Yeah. Also, I think he will play a large role in Book 7 just because, we discussed this on a previous Cast that she likes to kill people who no longer have a purpose. So, I think if Hagrid no longer had a purpose, he wouldn’t be with us anymore.

Kevin: Yep.

Eric: Yeah. I think as much as it seems like they did have unfinished business, both Sirius and Dumbledore have or will prove more valuable in their death, I think.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: Because Dumbledore really, I feel that Dumbledore did get out, you know everything he had to, to Harry, and that was the whole point of his lessons and I think that Sirius, now that Harry has Grimmauld Place, I think that will play importance. I want Robbie Coltrane to continue playing Hagrid. Because there was speculation I remember, there was an article about him saying he might move on to other things, but I think I like him as Hagrid.

Laura: Yeah I do too.

Andrew: I don’t see it happening. People…Warner Bros. knows how important he is to this series, starring in it because…

Laura: They know to deal with that.

Andrew: Robbie Coltrane is…well, Hagrid is one of my favorite characters.

Kevin: He is, yeah.

Andrew: And Robbie Coltrane is one of my favorite actors in the series, just because he’s done a lot of great work in the past including the Bond films which I’m a big fan of.

Eric: Ohhhhh!

Andrew: So, I don’t think we have to worry about him going anywhere. Warner Bros. will keep him on.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: They’ll make him stay.

[All laugh]

Kevin: If it requires offering something very good, I’m sure they’ll force him to stay.

Eric: I mean what can you offer besides the hard-send minds of brilliant, these young kids and…

Laura: Money.

Eric: I mean I never got that, like has anybody turned down a Harry Potter film?

[All laugh]

Eric: And money! But would you turn down a Harry Potter film, you know? I mean I think Jason Isaacs, who I love as Lucius…

Kevin: Well, see I think what he’s trying to prevent is him typecasting himself in his role.

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: He sees that people are starting to see him as Hagrid and he is afraid that after this job, he won’t get any other jobs because any movie he’s in, everyone will think of him, “Oh, it’s Hagrid.”

Eric: It’s ironic because after these blockbuster huge films, you know, he won’t need to be in anything else. I think he’s set for life.

Laura: Yeah, but I mean it really depends on if that’s what he wants to do. And I do think that several of the actors are going to have problems with typecasting.

Eric: I think so, too.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: You know, just the Trio. I think no matter what, like you know, Rupert’s doing that movie Driving Lessons now? But the same with Thunderpants, so many people from Harry Potter were in Thunderpants.

Laura: I never saw that.

Eric: And are in Driving Lessons now.

Kevin: I never saw that either.

Eric: Yeah like, even Gambon and things, I think. If I’m correct, I might not be, but don’t send e-mails and don’t post on Comments that we’re lying.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: They’ll do it anyway.

Eric: But yeah I think they were…but you know, there’s like this true elite British actors that are in the Harry Potter films because of how cool they are and how…you know? But, any British film that Rupert does is probably going to have a connection right back to Harry Potter, and the fans are always going to make that connection.

Kevin: Yep, absolutely. I think he’s already typecast to be honest and I don’t think that…

Laura: I think they all are.

Kevin: Yeah they all are. And I think…

Laura: The Trio. I think the Trio are all typecast.

Kevin: But I think that Rupert is going around about it the right way. He’s trying to pick up films besides Harry Potter, nothing to do with Harry Potter.

Laura: Right.

Kevin: To try to alleviate some of the typecasting, you know?

Eric: I think it’s really cool because Rupert got his start by sending in like an audition video to who was it? BBC or something. He was just a regular fan and you know, a regular kid and he sent in his…

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: So, it’s really like this cool story about not necessarily rags to riches but he was just this happy fan and now he’s discovered acting and really conditioned his skill.

Kevin: And I think he’s one of the best. I would say that he’s one of the best of the three.

Laura: He’s my favorite, he really is, I love him.

Eric: I would say that too; I think Ron is probably my favorite. Rupert. But…hey! One thing that reminds me, even though we’re talking about Hagrid here, sorry people. The Rupert mention in Book 6 when Slughorn…

Laura: That was not a mistake!

Eric: That was not a mistake!

Laura: Urgh!

Eric: I have to vouch for whoever is in charge of book mistakes.

Laura: That would be me and Janie. We have that.

Eric: No kidding, I feel so bad for you people because I know you guys…the second I read that, I thought, “People are going to think it’s a mistake” but…

Kevin: Yep.

Eric: I treated that…for those of you who don’t remember, Slughorn when he’s drunk, I believe it’s in Hagrid’s hut or whatever, he refers to Ron as Rupert and I really didn’t think it was a mistake. I actually thought it was…

Laura: I thought it was funny.

Eric: I treated it as tribute.

Andrew: Yeah, me too.

Eric: No, I treated it as tribute is what I did because if JKR is…it just works so well. I thought that it was completely a nod to Rupert from JKR.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: That’s exactly what I thought it was.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, she’s denied in the past that the movies don’t have any affect on the books but come on, that’s a nice little Easter Egg so to speak.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: I just thought it was such a cool…

Laura: I thought it was really awesome and…

Eric: I think Rupert should be completely like just blown away with how…I mean that’s a direct thing and it’s just…

Laura: And…oh, both of our inboxes were so flooded with that!

Eric: I know, but that’s okay.

Kevin: You know what you can do. Do you still have the link for the Editor of the Harry Potter books? Do you remember that, they posted a response to the fans?

Laura: Ah, we actually I believe put a message on the book mistakes page saying, “Do not send this, or die!”

Eric: Yeah. I mean usually…

Andrew: All right so…we answered that question, didn’t we?

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: We’ve got to keep it rolling here.

Kevin: Okay.

Andrew: How far are we at? I’m laying on my floor again.

Kevin: Two more voicemails. Okay Chevon from Australia.

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: How far in are we?

Eric: We’re an hour and a half.

Laura: Ah, 1:25:00.

Andrew: Okay.

Voicemail – Albus Pick: Tom or Voldemort?

[Audio]: Hi guys, this is Chevon from Canberra, Australia. I love your show and my favourite parts are the voicemails from other listeners. I would like to hear your comments on this interesting quote I re-read in Philosopher’s Stone. This is Dumbledore’s response to McGonagall referring to Voldemort as ‘You-Know-Who’ and I quote, “For eleven years I have been trying to persuade people to call him by his proper name, Voldemort.” We have of course seen that from Dumbledore’s memories in Half-Blood Prince that he refused to call Tom ‘Lord Voldemort” when Tom came looking for a job. So, what do you think in this period in Tom looking for a job and Harry’s parents dying, do you think has caused Dumbledore to change his mind? And do you think that if Dumbledore had continue to call Voldemort, Tom Riddle as he was doing when Tom was searching for a job that perhaps the Chamber of Secrets Diary wouldn’t have warped Ginny so much because everyone would know that Tom was Lord Voldemort?

Eric: This is such an awesome question.

Kevin: I love this question.

Laura: I know.

Eric: It’s so…

Laura: It makes me happy.

Andrew: Yeah..

Eric: Great.

Kevin: Thank you, Chevon.

Laura: It makes me want to squee.

Eric: Its just great, that’s all it is, is great.

Kevin: So, would you like to take this, Eric?

Eric: Sure, Kevin!

Kevin: Look how enthusiastic he is.

Eric: This is such a good question! I love these because they completely think it out.

Kevin: We should save this for the live podcast, so we can see how enthusiastic Eric gets over this question.

Laura: Awww!

Eric: Oh I’ll get enthusiastic, I’ll get enthusiastic just being there. So, no that’s okay. Yeah okay so much I have…okay. Sorry…

Kevin: Gathering thoughts, gathering thoughts.

Eric: Gathering thoughts. It’s okay…the more recent question, if he had called him Tom in the first place, would the diary have been discovered sooner? Yes. I think that’s a brilliant, I think it’s a plot device, it’s all about… I mean, I think it was definitely convenient, it’s not all about it, but I think it was definitely convenient for Dumbledore to be, you know, caught not revealing and not calling him Tom, in the first book to McGonagall. And I think that has a lot to do with who Tom was and it’s the whole mystique behind Voldemort and his past which is found out in Chamber of Secrets. But, also I think that Dumbledore did not call him Tom because he wasn’t facing him, and he wasn’t even in contact with him until, you know, Book 5 where he started calling him Tom. So. I think what it is, is kind of like a teacher/student relationship type thing where he is, whenever he is face to face with Voldemort, Voldemort is trying to say, “Oh, I’m mighty,” and he’s trying to prove how much of a cool wizard he is, but he’s still Tom to Dumbledore and, you know, he’s still the wizard. He’s still his student and he’s still the little boy that he visited in the orphanage and stuff, and I think Dumbledore… Dumbledore has bragging rights over Voldemort. I mean he can just say, “Tom” and he’s using his Muggle father’s name against him, and it disgusts him and I think…

Laura: I agree.

Eric: It’s complete…it’s just good like that.

Laura: Completely.

Kevin: I think that it’s an advantage that Dumbledore has over Voldemort that he would rather not destroy.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: It makes him mortal.

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: It really does, if he has a name, if he has a mortal name, it ties him to the world and it’s just something.

Kevin: Yeah and I think that if he had told everyone what his real name was, it would have infuriated Voldemort for a little while, but then he would grow used to it.

Laura: Not to mention, I mean we’d have the whole plot of Chamber of Secrets spoiled.

Eric: Yeah!

Laura: If we knew in the beginning of Sorcerer’s Stone.

Kevin: That’s true, yeah.

Laura: I think that probably has something to do with it! [Laughs]

Kevin: Yeah!

Eric: I think that was really cool for development; it was definitely convenient at least. What else did they ask in that? I don’t think Dumbledore calls… Yeah, the thing about in the beginning of the book with him insisting that people call him Voldemort, hand-in-hand I think he wants people to call him by Voldemort because he doesn’t like the idea that they’re afraid of it, but at the same time, he will call him Tom face-to-face. I mean, I think he wants to get people not to be afraid to call him what he wants to be called and stuff.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And I can’t get… When I’m excited I completely can’t express, I can’t express my best points so this is probably a really crappy theory that I have.

Laura: [Laughs] No, you’re fine, you’re fine.

Eric: It’s just…there’s so much, it’s a good question. So, anyway. Anybody else?

Kevin: I agree.

Laura: I think you pretty much beat that with a stick.

Eric: With my stick that I have from the Caption Contest.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: The stick. That was such an ad-lib line, I don’t even know what I meant by that. It was great but…

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: Okay, so last and well…last and final voicemail.

Voicemail – Birthday Surprises

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast, this is Jessica from Boston, Mass. Since JK Rowling started putting up birthdays on her site, I wonder does she consider the character’s horoscopes when choosing their special day. We all know Harry is a Leo, which is another connection to Gryffindor, and something that’s written in an interesting editorial on Minerva McGonagall, do you think this could lead to some insight on some characters? Just wondering what you guys think. Thanks!

Laura: I think that’s entirely possible, actually.

Kevin: I think that there’s too many coincidences to have not been.

Laura: Yeah!

Kevin: And I think that, I don’t think that it’s going to play a vital role and it’s not going to reveal anything huge.

Laura: No, but I think it’s a fun thing. Like, yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, it’s one of the titbits that she’s…I really hope she writes a book of just titbits where she just gives us the small little things that people don’t usually notice.

Eric: Yeah. Because she has them.

Kevin: That played a part.

Eric: She has, yeah she has them. She has the whole Seamus Finnegan history that she didn’t write out in the books because, you know, she sacrificed it for Neville’s back story, she said on her site. But, she has these things and I think with the Trio and stuff, I think it’s entirely her doing that, you know, when their birthdays are. And I think it’s really interesting that now on her website, we’re getting all these “Happy Birthday” things and all the “Wizards of the Month” and things because they all apply.

Laura: I think she wants us to know.

Eric: They all apply to our understanding of the universe.

Kevin: And she obviously had it planned out.

Eric: Oh yeah.

Laura: Oh yeah.

Kevin: If she’s…you know?

Eric: Absolutely.

Kevin: If she is posting the birthdays. So.

Andrew: We need to talk about her site too. That’s another good discussion we could have.

Laura: I really, I think that she’s giving out the birthday reminders for a reason.

Andrew: To keep it fresh if you ask me! [Laughs]

Laura: Well yeah, but she knows that there are fans out there who dig deep, and she knows that there are going to be people who see that and they’re going to go and look up these horoscopes.

Kevin: Do you know what else she knows? She knows that we do a podcast, and it would be nice of her to recognise that on the site.

Laura: [Laughs] Yes.

Kevin: Basically, we do think it plays a part, you know, the horoscopes, but it’s not going to be a vital role.

Laura: And just you know, for common interest, I just went to a horoscope site and it said…

Kevin: Actually Jessica, I must thank her because she did include horoscopes for quite a few of the characters.

Laura: Oh, cool.

Kevin: Which was…thank you, Jessica, for all the work. Maybe I’ll have Andrew put it in the “Show Notes.”

Laura: Awesome. Sweet.

Andrew: Yeah, so we covered all that, right?

Kevin: Yep. Very good voicemails.

Andrew: Okay, a few final announcements.

Spy on Spartz

Eric: We’re going to get really nasty emails about people tired of us fitting “Spy on Spartz” into the last second of the show but…

Laura: Oh, they can get over it.

Eric: But, Emerson’s on next week so you know, whatever.

Andrew: They have to wait. So Spy on Spartz. His away message is so corny this week, it’s not even worthy of being aired.

Eric: Air it. Air it. Air it.

Laura: Last time I saw it, it said “Friday.” That was all it said.

Andrew: No, it’s changed now.

Laura: Oh, okay.

Kevin: What does it say now? Let’s see. I’ll read it.

Andrew: Oh, I can’t.

Kevin: I got it. Right click. View contact information. Okay.

Andrew: What takes you so…

Kevin: “It’s the freakin’ weekend, baby. I’m ’bout to have me some fun.”

[All laugh]

Kevin: So, Emerson is about to have fun.

Laura: You can guess what that means.

Kevin: Because it’s quote unquote, “the freakin’ weekend.”

[All laugh]

Laura: Oh man. Their minds are going to wander so much.

Eric: In nature of this freakin’ weekend, somebody go on Notre Dame site and get the live web feed. I think we’re about to be surprised.

[All laugh]

Kevin: We may see Emerson on top of the Notre Dame…

[All laugh]

Eric: Because of the freakin’ weekend.

Andrew: Did you see his buddy icon?

Kevin: Yeah. Just like people at our school who ride the Husky dog.

Andrew: Can I tell you guy’s a secret?

Kevin: What’s that?

Andrew: I don’t know if our “Spy on Spartz” segment is as valuable as it used to be. Because everyone has AIM.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Because…

Laura: He gives it out to everyone.

Eric: Yeah, but they aren’t checking it when we’re checking it.

Andrew: He has it on Face Book.

Kevin: Oh yeah.

Andrew: So, everyone knows.

Andrew’s Listener Challenge

Andrew: Challenge Pictures, yes we got many entries. One person dressed up as me, one person dressed up as Laura. That’s all I’ve seen so far. I haven’t looked through it all.

Kevin: I forwarded you the e-mails.

Laura: Were you guys slackers on this? You didn’t dress up?

Andrew: Yeah, I think a lot of people failed at Andrew’s Listener Challenge.

Laura: Yeah. I guess…

Eric: That’s okay, Eric’s is still open. Eric’s is still open. Just get us shirts. Make us shirts.

Andrew: Yeah that is still this week’s challenge. Make us shirts. Because we are waaaaaay too busy to make our own shirts. So send us designs and stuff, we’ll take a look at them. We’ll probably post them. The Halloween pictures, I did promise they’d be posted in our galleries. I will get around to posting them. I’m just…this week, next week, this week is going to be so busy.

Kevin: This upcoming week is going to be very busy.

Eric: Can we announce…?

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: Ben’s flying in Wednesday. I have a meeting with a guy named Bruce Springsteen on Tuesday?

Eric: Bruce, who’s that?

Andrew: And the rest of my week is…I don’t know, I hear his music’s good.

Eric: I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura giggles]

Eric: Sounds like a hippie.

[All laugh]

Mobilcast and Closing Announcements

Andrew: Okay. And then also moving right along, don’t forget, if you have a mobile phone you could find out more about Mobilcast on MuggleCast.com. Mobilcast is a service that will let you listen to our show and many other podcasts right there on your own cell phone. So go to MuggleCast.com and then under the listener “To Do” list you can find out more about Mobilcast.

Eric: Andrew, why does the…

Andrew: And then don’t forget…what, I’m on a roll here. What?

Eric: I’m sorry, why isn’t there an “E” in MuggleCast between…I mean…?

Andrew: Because it’s podcasting, there is no rules.

[All laugh]

Andrew: And then don’t forget to visit PowWows.com/mugglenet for everything related to Native American Month for both students and teachers.

Kevin: And again…

Andrew: Now…what? Go ahead.

Kevin: Have them send in recommended books.

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: We are going to start doing…

Kevin: I’m sure we’ll get plenty of emails, but…

Laura: Book review type things.

Kevin: We’ll slowly but surely go through them.

Eric: Yeah, we’ll find somebody to read books and comment on the show.

Laura: I will!

Kevin: Yes we’re not good book readers.

Eric: Yeah, Laura. You’re home-schooled. You have all the time in the world.

Laura: Yes, I will read your books.

Andrew: Oooh, and then one last final thing, my official fan site, Andrew Simz.com spelled with a “z” was nominated for an award! [Laughs] A Dervish Award. It’s a Harry Potter Fansite. There’s a link in the “Show Notes.” It’s a good award for it.

Kevin: Hey, do you know what’s funny about Sims spelt with a “z”?

Andrew: What’s that?

Kevin: When you add 89 to it, it becomes something.

[Laura laughs loudly]

Andrew: What, my birthday year?

Eric: We just don’t know what.

Kevin: I don’t know.

Eric: I don’t know.

Andrew: People…

Eric: And with the first…

Andrew: If you’re trying to give people my AIM name, that’s still not even close.

Eric: You forget… No, you forgot the first initial.

Kevin: Pretty close.

Eric: First initial, right before it. First initial.

Kevin: What first initial? I don’t know what you mean. “A.”

Andrew: Okay, well I’m not editing this entire part so let’s just keep it at that.

Kevin: Okay.

Andrew: And, they can try to figure out my AIM name and…okay!

Kevin: Okay.

Laura: All righty.

Andrew: That wraps it about up. Episode 14. Next week is the big LIVE show. Kevin, I will be…and Eric, I’ll be seeing you next week.

Kevin: Yes.

Eric: Yes.

Kevin: Should be interesting.

Andrew: Live in New York City. I can’t get my mind off of it.

Kevin: I know.

Andrew: There’s so many…we’re still…everything’s set, but…

Eric: We just don’t know when it is yet.

Andrew: Me and Melissa are working on a sweet introduction.

Kevin: I need to skip Math because of that.

Andrew: [Laughs] What?

Kevin: Because of that podcast. I do! I’m skipping Math to catch a bus.

Andrew: Awww!

Kevin: Yep. See, I’m dedicated people.

[Andrew yawns]

Kevin: So, if any of you want to tutor me in multi-variable Calculus.

Eric: Multi-variable Calculus?

Laura: Oh my god!

Eric: Oh wow! Yeah, Kevin, I’ll tutor you. I’ll tutor you in multi-variable Calculus.

Laura: Yeah Kevin, because you know how good I am at Math.

Show Close

Andrew [Show Close with music in background]: So, wrapping things up, I am Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I am Kevin Steck who just interrupted Andrew Sims.

[All laugh]

Eric: I’m Eric Scull, who can’t think of much different intonations to use when I intro or outro myself.

Laura: And I’m Laura Thompson and that’s it!

Kevin: Eager and original.

Laura: Exactly, there we go.

Kevin: There we go.

Andrew: Episode 15 LIVE, November 13th will be when it’s released. We’ll see you next week.

Laura: Bye!

Kevin: See you next week!

Eric: Bye everybody!

Laura: Oh, I won’t.

Kevin: No, you won’t.

[All laugh]

Eric: We’ll see you at home, Laura.

Andrew: Waa waa waa waaaaaaah! [Eric joins him]

Laura: You guys suck.

Kevin: You’ll be in our thoughts.

Laura: I’ll be there in spirit.

Eric: We’ll be sure to get you like a bumper sticker or something.

Laura: Awww, how sweet.

Eric: We’ll get you an “I Love New York” shirt or something.


Andrew: This week’s remix is from Julian in Australia.

Remix by Julian coming soon!


[Soothing music begins playing]

[Audio]: Bonjour MuggleCast! This is Larry in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, with an observation on the films thus far. Like his predecessor Richard Harris, I think Michael Gambon is a fine actor of the classic type. He belongs on stage, belting out a blood-curdling line from Shakespeare or Poe, however as Dumbledore I feel he misses the hushed wisdom, the quiet strength inherent in nearly everything Dumbledore does. While he certainly adds a much-needed spark to the character, there is an understated majesty that is missing. This, is what I feel is the key, to what makes Albus Dumbledore such a special character and an indispensable role model for Harry.

[Soothing music ends]


Eric: I have something to talk about.

Laura: This is just as bad as last week.

Eric: No, no, no, no. It’s not bad!

[All laugh]

Eric: That episode was cursed. Okay, Episode 13, we actually…

Kevin: It was cursed!

Eric: We actually recorded a whole Episode 13 with Ben and a few other people and we talked about Remus Lupin, but it went terribly. It was not… It didn’t…

Laura: So, we did it again.

Eric: So, we did it again, and many of you have said on the Comments that this was your favorite episode, and that it was a lot of fun. So, we really liked that and we think, “Gee that’s really lucky that it went from so much bad crap to such a good thing.”

Laura: Yeah. It may have been lucky 13 for you guys, but it wasn’t for us. [Laughs]

Eric: Not for us!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: We pulled an all-weekender!


Laura: I get a lot of requests to be added to people’s Buddy Lists on Skype.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: I actually had someone bypass my request thing. I don’t know how they did it.

Andrew: Well, you know what? I always accept them, but I never answer the phone. It drives them crazy.

Laura: Oh, see.

Andrew: I love doing it!

Laura: I don’t accept them. Ehhh!

Andrew: I get them all excited.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Ben and I were talking on Skype a few weeks ago and we picked up, well, someone called, and I only, I picked up that one time. And that’s the only time. Only one person.


Written by: Micah and Jess

Episode 14

On our November 06th, 2005 edition of MuggleCast…

For a man so obsessed with choices, Dumbledore sure can’t seem to pick between Tom and Voldemort. While Ginny’s role in the Final Book is debated, was there more behind Lucius slipping the Diary in her cauldron? And parents brace yourselves. It’s time for that all important question: Where do dementors come from? Plus, Hagrid, Ron – will they survive the last installment?

From the U.S. to Australia…all that and more ahead with Andrew, Eric, Georgia, Kevin, and Laura on this week’s edition of MuggleCast. See you in New York!

  • Don’t forget, live podcast November 12th!
  • Special guest: Georgia from MuggleNet Fan Fiction.
  • NYC Live podcast updates/giggles
  • The Wyrd Sisters are “weirdos”; Canadian fans go “Eh!”
  • We announce our partnership with GoDaddy
  • Warner Brothers will be arresting Kevin
  • This week’s topic of character discussion: Ginny Whizzey
  • Speculation on whether or not Lucius Malfoy planned to plant Tom Riddle’s diary on Ginny.
  • Is Ginny the right girl for Harry?
  • Andrew and Laura think Ron is doomed
  • …while Kevin begs to differ
  • What role will Hagrid play in HP7?
  • Where do dementors come from?
  • Did JKR consider horoscopes when selecting birthdays?
  • Why did Dumbledore call Tom Riddle “Voldemort” after he had stated in HP6 that he would not call him that, and would that have affected HP2?
  • Spy on Spartz
  • Andrew/Eric’s Listener Challenge
  • Thanks to Julian for this week’s remix!

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Running time: 1:30:15, 31.30 MB

LeakyMug #4

On our November 05th, 2005 edition of The Leaky Mug…

  • Andrew, Ben, Melissa and John lay down all the details for the live NYC cast
  • Special guests include Jeff from HPANA, Aris and Matt from Veritaserum, Jenna (possibly) from DR.com, and Mike from Shurtugal.com
  • Ben falls asleep…
  • Sleepyhead and Andrew announce their Summer 2006 World Tour
  • What we’ll be talking about, what we’ll be doing afterwards, suggestions for your arrival, and more
  • Melissa appointed project manager, Trump says “You’re fired”
  • Send remixes and voicemails to possibly air before the live show to hplive@gmail.com

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Running time: 19:00, 8.8 MB

MuggleMiniCast #1

On this special November 02nd, 2005 edition of MuggleCast…

Ben and Andrew sit down with Matt Vines from Veritaserum.com and gather some wonderful insight to Goblet of Fire. Matt was able to see the movie at screenings twice when he was in London the weekend of the junket. Beware, spoilers are abound!

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Running time: 34:39, 7.89 MB

Transcript 013

MuggleCast EP13 Transcript


Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast – Episode 13 for October 30, 2005.

[Everybody makes scary noises]

Eric: Oooh. Halloween.

Andrew: [In creepy voice] Episode 13.

[More scary noises]

Andrew: [In creepy voice] Of MuggleCast.

[More scary noises]

Andrew: Wow! That was great!

[More scary noises]

Andrew: It took us two hours to rehearse for that. Welcome to the show everyone. Episode 13 – that is conveniently placed right on Halloween. Well, not right on. If you’re listening on Monday, it’s Halloween, and you’re thinking right now, “Wow! Episode 13 right on Halloween. That’s an unlucky number.” I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: [making weird noise] I’m Eric Scull.

Laura:: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: This is show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, theories, discussions, cooking recipes, Acne treatments – it’s all here! But before we get to anything else, first, let’s go over to Micah for the past week’s top news stories.



Thanks, Andrew.

All 24 tracks from the fourth Harry Potter movie soundtrack have been posted up on AOL Music. Additionally, WB has launched a great website dedicated to the Goblet of Fire soundtrack. Composer Patrick Doyle said: “I’m particularly proud of my score for Harry Potter because it’s the biggest commercial picture I’ve ever done.”

As part of their promotion for the upcoming film, several of the cast will be appearing on a variety of talk shows in the upcoming weeks. Here’s the rundown:

The Ellen DeGeneres Show on October 31st. New Goblet of Fire footage will air.

GMTV on ITV1, October 31st, 7:00 – 8:35 AM. Appearances by: Harry Potter “teen stars” and new Goblet of Fire footage will there air as well.

Dan Radcliffe will appear by himself on the following shows:

Friday Night with Jonathan Ross on BBC One, November 4th at 10:35 PM,

Live with Regis & Kelly on ABC, November 10th, and

Total Request Live on MTV, November 11th.

Finally, taped interviews with the cast will air on The Today Show on NBC, November 11th. Check local listings if no time or channel has been specified.

For all the new interviews (including the Goblet of Fire press junket from last Saturday), pictures, poster scans, and video clips, log on to MuggleNet’s Main Page. Additionally, the Yule Ball mini-site has opened over at GobletofFire.com and TLC has a special access link to the Dark Mark mini-site, not yet open to the public.

Moving from the silver screen to the courtroom, in September, little-known Winnipeg folk group The Wyrd Sisters filed a lawsuit (seeking over $40 million in compensation) against Warner Bros. The same lawsuit affected the people who play in the Yule Ball band. They did so believing the Goblet of Fire movie contains a scene featuring this band with the same name as theirs. It was announced yesterday that the group have now secured a November 4th court date where they hope to have the film barred from distribution across Canada.

The Polvadore family in Nacogdoches, Texas have spent the last few days constructing a real-life Dark Mark. The model, which looks great at night, is four by five feet and was made out of green rope lights. They have positioned the eerie Mark seven feet above their house.

Finally, wrapping up the news the blue Ford Anglia that was used in the second Harry Potter movie has been stolen, reports BBC News. Apparently, the car had been moved to the South West Film Studios in St Agnes for an exhibition. Police believe the car was towed or trailer-lifted from the scene as it cannot be driven. Quite the contrary, the car drives just fine. Oops! Did I say that out loud?

Well, anyway, before we go, a very Happy Birthday to MuggleNet staffer Catherine who celebrated her birthday on Friday.

That’s all the news from our News center in New York for this October 30, 2005, Halloween edition of MuggleCast. Back to you guys!

Andrew: Thank you, Micah.


Andrew: We have tons of stuff to bring to you this week. So much. Isn’t that right, my fellow MuggleCasters?

Laura:: Righto.

Eric: That’s correct, Andrew.

Andrew: We’re going to talk some HP Halloween, but first let’s cover a few announcements. First of all, Micah, Eric, Laura…Eric, I think you’ve done it. We’ve all done it. We’ve signed up for our Frappr! map.

Laura:: Yeah.

Eric: Yes.

Micah: Yes.

Andrew: Yes?

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Yay! Hey! Our Frappr![Can’t pronounce Frappr! Map]

I found this map service the other day, right after Episode 12 came out that lets you set up a Google map that your listeners or anyone you want, can put their little, put a little pin on this map that shows you where you are. And, I put this on the MuggleCast Page and you can get to it by clicking on “Tell Us Where You Live.” And everybody has been tell us where they live in the U.S. and actually in the world. Isn’t that cool?

Laura:: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Now, we know where everyone lives and actually it is quite intimidating because…

Laura:: Yeah!

Andrew: We’re now…we’re surrounded by people. It’s kind of like, “Ehhh!”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I didn’t know people listened to this show.

[Micah laughs]

Laura:: Yeah, it’s kind of weird to look at the map and see someone 30 minutes away from you.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura:: Listens to you on their iPod. [Laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, really. There are still a couple of states we haven’t conquered yet, but we’re getting there.

Eric: Like North Dakota.

Andrew: There’s only…we have about 270ish people right now that have joined into it, but if you want to join in, just go to MuggleCast.com, then click on “Tell Us Where You Live.” And, you can include a photo and comments, and I think one person said it best. They said, “Oh good. Now I know where everybody lives in case I have to move out of my house.” So, now we can all network together and we can just go to each other’s houses.

Last week we asked you to help us out by voting for us on Yahoo! Podcasts and also vote for us on Podcast Alley. A couple of updates there. First of all we’re No. 1 on Yahoo! Podcasts highly-rated section, thanks to you guys!

Laura:: Yahoo!

Eric: Yahoo!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, really. Yahoo!

[Eric makes Yahoo! noise from commercial]

Andrew: Also, on Podcast Alley we need a new vote from each of you every month because they reset their votes at the beginning of each month. So, November is right around the corner. If it’s November already, go to Podcast…go to MuggleCast.com and click on “Vote for us on Podcast Alley!”

So, since this is our Halloween Episode, we sent Jamie and Ben out trick-or-treating. That’s what we are going to use as our excuse and none of you can stop us. Oh, I’d also like to clear something up. There’s been rumors going around.

Eric: Again.

Andrew: We don’t hate Ben.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Speak for yourself, Andrew. Speak for yourself.

Andrew: No, we really don’t.

Eric: No, I love Ben. Ben’s…

Andrew: I’ve been a bad host. We’ve been sort of acting like we don’t like him because just the way we would say that, and people were thinking “Oh! How do you…if he’s a co-host then why do you have him on if you hate him?” And, blah, blah, blah. But no, we don’t hate him.

Eric: Ben is my…

Andrew: Right, guys?

Eric: Ben is my favorite Kansan.

Andrew: Yeah. He’s going to be living with me for a week. So, I have to like him.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I’m forced to do this. I have no choice. [Whispers] Someone get me out of here.

[All laugh]

Eric: I’ll drive to New Jersey and I’ll pick you up. No, we’ll pick you up on our bus ride to New York.

Andrew: Episode 12 – a lot of you were having problems with it stopping at 30:49. I did make a news post, but apparently still a lot of people missed it. I think the error most likely occurred in iTunes. If you’re downloading it and it cuts out at 30:49, go to MuggleCast.com and click on “Downloads/Episodes”. [Transcriber’s note: He means “Subscribe/Download”] and in there, there is a new version of the show. It’s the same exact show. It is just that it has the entire file. So, if you want to go back and listen to it, because 30 minutes of us is not enough. You got to get the full thing.

Laura:: Definitely.

Eric: Yeah, but if it’s 30:48, that is completely not our fault.

Andrew: Oh, that’s completely normal.

Laura:: Ha ha.

Eric: If it… Yeah. If it cuts out at 30:48, I mean…

Andrew: No, but anything shorter than an hour…

Eric: An hour…

Andrew: …something…1:14:00? I think. I don’t know.

Eric: Something like that. It was a long show, but you know what was funny? Was that we were all talking about, Laura was saying how we don’t get closure in life with death.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: And we were all like, “Yeah, you know, kids really don’t get closure when their relatives and things die” and then BAM!

[Laura laughs]

Eric: The episode shuts off and everybody checks their little iTunes thing, or their little iPod, and they’re like, “Huh? What?”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: “Closure? What?”

Andrew: We wanted to demonstrate what we really meant. We wanted to give you the full feel.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah, that’s what it is.

Andrew: But, no the entire show is on MuggleCast.com just click on “Downloads/Episodes.” [Transcriber’s note: Again, he means “Subscribe/Download”]


Andrew: And as some of you might know, November is Native American Month and some of you might have projects for school or just may be interested in the Native American culture. For this reason, the next few shows will be sponsored by PowWows.com. On the site, you can find a forum, a photo and video gallery, information about Pow Wows, a calendar of Pow Wows and much, much more. To visit the site go to PowWows.com/mugglenet or just go to MuggleCast.com and we’ll have a link right there on the Main Page. I was on the site the other day and I’ll tell you what, it is a great site for research because it has dancing styles, singing, grand entries, Pow Wow etiquette, and much more! So visit it today, PowWows.com/mugglenet.


Andrew: And, finally one last note. We’re growing guys. We’re growing. We’re growing. We’re growing.

Eric: I have grown three inches since I have started MuggleCast.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: You bombed! But anyway, we are now in a partnership with Mobilcast, which is a mobile podcasting service that is a service that goes on to your cell phone, and then you can listen to and download podcasts right there on your cell phone. And, one of those podcasts that you can download and listen to on your cell phone is…

Laura:: MuggleCast!

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: No, PotterCast!

Micah: What’s PotterCast?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: No, it is MuggleCast! So, Mobilcast is a great new feature. We’re not getting paid by them. We’re not paying them. We’re doing…we’re partnering with them to help each other promote one another, and I really think that this mobile… Right now, we have podcasting. You put it on your iPod, you listen to it on your computer, blah, blah, blah. But, what does everyone have? Not everyone has a cell phone.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: Andrew, you ruined that.

Andrew: I mean, not everyone has an iPod. Everyone does have a computer, but what if you want to listen to it on the go? And, that’s why this new service – I really think has potential because now everyone can listen to it while they are on the road.

Eric: Andrew, I have a question.

Andrew: What?

Eric: So, I have a Nokia 3120 phone and I was wondering if all phones are really compatible because our shows are pretty long, they are like an 1:15:00.

Andrew: Well, right now this is only compatible with a few phones.

Eric: I see.

Andrew: You want me to go through them real quick? They are the Motorola Razor, which every person has almost, not every person, but a lot of people have.

Eric: I know what you mean.

Andrew: The Motorola Rocker, which also supports iTunes now, but you can’t download podcast to that. The Nokia 6620, 6630, and 6682, the Sony Ericsson k700, and the Sony Ericsson s710. So, if anyone has those phones, Mobilcast is a free service. For more information just to go to MuggleCast.com and click on the button that says “Mobilcast.”

Main Topic – Halloween in the Harry Potter Series

Andrew: And the main topic for this week is Lu…no wait. We aren’t going to be doing Lupin this week because, we’ll be honest. We announced what character we’re going to be discussing on this show too late and we were expecting a lot of voicemails, but we actually got none because we didn’t give people enough time, I don’t think. So, at the end of each show starting with this show, we’ll be telling you which character we are going to be talking about a week ahead. So, if you want to get on the show with your voicemails, with your questions, they have to be voicemails. Please don’t e-mail them. We appreciate the e-mails, but we can’t air e-mails, and we like being able to play people’s voices. So, if you have a question regarding to next week’s character, just listen towards the end of the show, we’ll tell you what character, and…okay! But, right, instead of talking about Lupin this week, we are going to cover Halloween first off, then we’ve got a little more stuff to talk about. Some more stuff to talk about. Halloween, it is has been such an important part in the Harry Potter books. There has been a lot of events that have happened on Halloween. Anyone want to start with some? Eric, you want to go over them?

Eric: Sure. We’ll go chronologically.

Andrew: The first one would be what?

Eric: So, the first one would be Harry’s parents’ murder.

Laura:: Yeah.

Eric: I guess. Unless we know something before that. Okay. Okay. So, the attack on Harry’s parents by Lord Voldemort. And you know what? It’s kind of a bad thing to start off on because not only was Halloween a terribly bad thing, but that was the fall of You-Know-Who. So, it is kind of a good thing, but generally speaking, Halloween has not been too happy for Harry. There was his parents’ murder and in the first year there was the troll in the dungeon, which we are going to play an audio clip of somewhere in this show.

Andrew: Second?

Eric: Second year was the what…Death Day? Oh, first attack.

Laura:: Death Day Party. Yeah.

Eric: The first attack on the wall. The writing on the wall, Mrs. Norris, which was funny, but a bad thing anyway because everybody suspected him.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Micah, do you remember what happened in Book 3?

Laura:: Wasn’t that when Sirius Black like…

Eric: Oh, Sirius Black…

Laura:: …broke in to the Common Room.

Eric: Got it. And in Book 4, which is a really important one, was the Goblet ceremony, as Micah pointed out to me earlier. The Goblet of Fire where Harry found out that he was sentenced, more or less, to be put through trials and suffering.

Andrew: And, we’re going to move on to that in a minute, but first of all, is it worth discussing that JK Rowling puts all these things on Halloween? I mean there hasn’t been any Halloween events in the past two books, probably because there is better stuff going on than to really mention Halloween, but is there any really question here? Why she does it?

Eric: I think that is really a good question because in Book 5 and 6, I think somebody said that Harry’s first detention was on Halloween or something like that. So, there might still be some kind of connection that we are missing, but I don’t think the Halloweens are as pronounced as they used to be anymore in the last two books. So, that is a good question.

Laura:: I really always took it, didn’t she that Halloween was her favorite holiday? So, it wouldn’t surprise me that she would try to make it more prominent because of that.

Andrew: You mean in recent books?

Laura:: I’m talking about when she…

Eric: Did it to begin with.

Laura:: When she started the series, how Halloween was far more prominent in the books, and she talked about how Halloween was her favorite holiday. So…

Eric: Well, Halloween has really evolved, I think. It’s got a lot of decor to it. You know? You think…when you think of Halloween, you think of pumpkins and ghouls and demons and…

Laura:: Candy!

Eric: Candy and…

[Laura laughs]

Eric: You know?

Andrew: And witches…

Eric: Witches.

Andrew: And I guess wizards.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But, so it only makes sense. Personally, I think something should have…Halloween should have been mentioned in Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince, but it didn’t happen and…

Eric: I’m sorry. I think they were too busy snogging in Book 6 too much.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Laura:: It’s true!

Eric: Okay, according to Floo Network, Floo Network.org, it states that Molly Weasley’s birthday, Mrs. Weasley was actually born on October 30th, which is probably from JKR’s site. So, Mrs. Weasley was born the day before Halloween, which is interesting. Could she possibly meet a bad fate in the future? Guys?

Laura:: Hmmm. It’s possible, but at this point I think, and we discussed this last time. No one is safe.

Eric: Yeah. Good point.

Laura:: They’re all doomed.

Eric: Also, Angelina Johnson. Oh, that’s interesting. Angelina Johnson was born the last week of October. They don’t know the exact date, but she got attacked in Book 6 and nearly died.

Andrew: But, here’s a good question to ask ourselves. Why hasn’t Harry made a bigger deal of Halloween? Because it was the day that his parents both died.

Eric: Question… Well, first of all, excellent question, but does he know it was on Halloween? Has anybody actually… He does?

Andrew: Yes. Didn’t Hagrid tell him so in Sorcerer’s Stone?

Laura:: I don’t seem to remember that Hagrid was terribly precise about the day, but knowing my luck, I am totally wrong and the comments are going to overflow with people yelling that I should be moved off of the podcast. So, I’m shutting up now.

Eric: Oh come on. We’ve all had our mistakes in discussing.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: How did we find out about it in the books then?

Eric: Well no, the question is…

Laura:: Hagrid told Harry.

Eric: Yeah, Andrew. The thing is…

Andrew: Yeah, so Harry does know.

Eric: Right, between… Between the books…

Laura:: Well, I don’t think he told him what date though.

Andrew: Oh!

Eric: Between the books and the movies, there are a lot of things, and in the first book, Hagrid tells Harry almost everything, even the Voldemort thing right in front of the Dursleys. Like right in front of them in the books. And, that’s not in the movies. He tells him in the Leaky Cauldron in the movies. So, there is a significant deal more that Hagrid actually tells Harry in front of the Dursleys, and I think that is important. What I don’t know… I don’t think it is answered in either the books or the movies is how Harry knows his birthday? Because I don’t know how the Dursleys would know. And Dumbledore might have told him, but why would the Dursleys tell Harry his birthday. That would give him something to look forward to.

Laura:: Not if they wanted to use it as a reason to…

Eric: To torment him.

Laura:: …to torment him.

Eric: Right, but, I mean…

Andrew: Because if he knows when his birthday is, why would he be looking forward to it if he is living with the Dursleys? Pre…

Laura:: And all he is going to get, is like, a sock.

Andrew: Pre-Hogwarts. Right. Exactly.

Eric: Well…

Andrew: So, what is he looking forward to?

Eric: I guess. But, he was looking forward to it. You know? He was looking forward to being eleven, and even though it was crap, it said, “It is not everyday that you turn eleven.” So, he’s…

Laura:: Yeah. That’s true.

Eric: I mean I just don’t know how he knew it because it seemed like an obscure thing for him to know is all I am saying because I don’t think they would tell him.

Laura:: Well, I could see the Dursleys using it as…

Eric: Torment. Right.

Laura:: Just another thing to make him more miserable, but what I don’t think they count on is how optimistic Harry is.

Eric: That’s true.

Micah: And to go back to the Hogwarts Halloween thing for just a moment. I mean perhaps it’s made into such a big deal just because when you think of witches and wizards, you think of Halloween. So, wouldn’t that be a holiday that should just be celebrated naturally in that type of situation?

Eric: Environment or genre?

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, I think that’s, that’s great.

Laura:: Now, here’s a question. This just came to mind. Okay, for Halloween, all we Muggles, we dress up as witches and wizards. Do you think that witches and wizards dress up as Muggles?

Andrew: Do they dress up in the first place?

Laura:: Well…

Micah: I bet Arthur Weasley does.

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Eric: It’s Muggle Day! Yeah, I’d love see to the Ministry of Magic employing a “Muggle Appreciation Month.” You know?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: With the Prime Minister coming over. I don’t really think that that happens. So… But, they should have “Muggle Appreciation Month” and maybe they can learn something and stop dressing like scarlet women.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: At all these Quidditch Cup events..

Main Topic – Goblet of Fire

Andrew: So, we did mention that on Halloween, the Goblet pulling, name-calling, whatever you want to call it…

Eric: The ceremony.

Andrew: …did occur.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: And…

Eric: Cedric…

Andrew: It just so happens, Goblet of Fire is coming out in a couple of weeks.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: How’s that for a crazy conspiracy? Anyone want to crack that one?

Eric: Sure.

Andrew: We going to see an editorial on that one in another week?

[All laugh]

Eric: Well, I think Halloween…

Andrew: But, we’ve seen, we’ve seen so much of the movie lately – new videos!

Laura: Yeah!

Eric: We really have.

Andrew: Does it change your impressions at all? I know for one that it changes mine, and I completely understand why it is not a PG-13 movie.

Laura: Yeah, same. [Laughs]

Andrew: Why it is a PG-13 movie. It just differs so much from the other books, from the other movies, and I think Mike Newell is to credit for all of this.

Eric: Ferret Malfoy down Goyle’s pants.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: That’s a PG-13 moment.

Laura: I was curious as to what everyone else thought of that? [Laughs]

Eric: That’s…

Laura: That’s like the scene that launched 1,000 bad fan fictions. [Laughs]

Eric: Yeah. Laura, Laura, you know Mike Newell…

Laura: No really. Looking, watching all these videos, I’m very impressed because the acting skills. When you compare the acting skills we’ve seen in these scenes to the Sorcerer’s Stone movie, it is amazing how much more in tune the actors are!

Eric: And intense. You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: They’re portraying much more intense characters and I think they are doing it right.

Andrew: And, it’s just the humor is there in this movie. Obviously, it is a bit more scarier. One of the clips, even though it is not really a big deal to us, there’s more cursing in here. Harry, you see Dan Radcliffe playing an older, more frustrated Harry.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, it’s the ferret scene. You see Harry say, “I don’t give a *BEEP* what your father thinks!”

Laura: Yep.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: But he doesn’t say *BEEP*.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: “I don’t give a *BEEP* what your father thinks, Malfoy!”

[Laura laughs]

Eric: I don’t give a flip. Oooh!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: All right, anyway. About the movies. I think we’re seeing too much.

Laura: I…

Andrew: Yeah, I called this a couple of shows ago.

Micah: Yeah, you did.

Eric: Yeah. There’s…

Andrew: I think Warner Bros. is overdoing it a bit this time.

Eric: A little bit just because we didn’t get this much of Prisoner of Azkaban and now we’re getting like the best scenes, you know? The most anticipated scenes, the ones we really wanted to see including the first and only classroom scene. We’re seeing that. We’re seeing the Yule Ball. We’re seeing Harry and Ron’s fight, which I want to talk about in a few minutes, but we are seeing all this stuff, and I want to wait for the movie.

Laura: I know.

Eric: You know?

Laura: And, I felt like they were overdoing it with Prisoner of Azkaban because I remember before that came out there were so many pictures. I made a screensaver out of it, and it is just hundreds upon hundreds of pictures that were released before that movie, and now we’re seeing so many Goblet of Fire pictures not to mention all these clips. I mean we’ve practically seen it. [Laughs]

Eric: It’s strange. Harry Potter doesn’t need promotion.

Laura: Exactly.

Eric: I think that’s the last thing that does. I mean if they would have kept the original trailer, I think people would be tired of the original trailer, but at the same time they would still be just as excited. And, you know the pictures…

Andrew: But, you know what? Warner Bros. has nothing to lose because everyone is going to go see either anyway.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Right. And I think…

Andrew: They are not afraid of putting too much out and then some people coming to the conclusion of, “Oh, this movie stinks! I’m not seeing it.”

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Because it is Harry Potter.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: It’s great. Everyone is going to see it.

Eric: It is great. It is good. This looks like the best movie.

Gambon as Dumbledore

Micah: Well, the one thing I really didn’t like was the whole scene with Dumbledore basically shaking Harry to death after his name came out of the Goblet.

Eric: Okay, yeah. All right, what’s up? Okay, Michael Gambon. Michael Gambon “?”

Micah: Yeah, I don’t like him as Dumbledore.

Eric: That’s what we’re talking about because…

Andrew: Oh, come on.

Laura: I liked Gambon in Prisoner of Azkaban.

Eric: No.

Laura: I really, I sincerely liked him. I thought he did a wonderful job.

Andrew: Yep.

Laura: But, now that I am seeing… I’m a little… I’m not going to throw out a full-on judgement because I haven’t seen the whole movie, but Dumbledore was very calm in the book when Harry’s name came out of the cup. He didn’t yell or anything. He just said, “Harry Potter!” And then he said, you know, “Go!”

Eric: In this one he backs him up into the big trophy and he goes [in loud voice] “Did you put your name in the Goblet?” Shaking him. Shaking him. And he’s like, “No, sir. I swear I don’t.” And he says, “Swear to me! Swear to me you did not!”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: This is the Dumbledore that I have been waiting for.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Come on.

Laura: Well, I think…

Eric: But, he’s not that way to Harry. That’s the thing with Dumbledore! He understands things and as Laura said he was calm. When things happen, when complete…

Andrew: He’s too calm!

Eric: No. No.

Andrew: I mean, I’m sorry. I respect Richard Harris, okay?

Laura: I actually like Gambon better.

Andrew: I’m sorry that he passed on.

Eric: I’m not saying I like Richard Harris.

Andrew: Me too. Me too.

Eric: I’m not saying I like Richard Harris. I think Richard Harris was a little too calm, but Michael Gambon is more too violent I think because…

Andrew: He’s a powerful Dumbledore. This is how Dumbledore is supposed to be.

Eric: But, he’s powerful to the wrong people.

Andrew: I like the feisty Dumbledore because he’s the Head of Hogwarts.

Eric: But, he’s feisty…

Andrew: He should be angry. He should be yelling.

Eric: Not at Harry!

Laura: You know what I think they are doing though?

Eric: Not at Harry! He’s feisty, but to the wrong people! You know? When Dumbledore has to take down the Ministry people, yes, he’s feisty. That’s the Michael Gambon Dumbledore I want to see, but not towards Harry.

Andrew: Good, so you’ll see it in a future movie. Do you want to see Richard Harris doing the final battle? In Book…

Laura: Well, we won’t.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Well, I mean, could you…

Eric: Do you want…

Andrew: Could… [Laughs]

Eric: But, do you want to see…

Andrew: Could you picture, could you picture Richard Harris doing…

Eric: Absolutely not! But, do you want Michael Gambon to sit there in Book 5 and say, “Harry, I was an idiot. I held off telling you everything.”

Andrew: Yes, because he can do mood swings.

Eric: No, he can’t do mood swings.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Richard Harris wasn’t…

Eric: Everything is angry.

Andrew: …he couldn’t get mad.

Eric: Everything…

Andrew: I don’t think he… You’re…

Laura: What I think they are trying to do. I actually remember reading an interview with I believe Alfonso Cuaron, but don’t quote me on that though that they were trying in Prisoner of Azkaban channel more of the anger that we saw in Order of the Phoenix from Harry. So, that there was a little bit of character development there. I think that might be what they are doing with Dumbledore as well.

Eric: But, I think Dumbledore…

Andrew: Developing the character?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: But, when stuff goes down, Dumbledore is usually calm unless he has to fight off the bad people. I mean here he is shaking Harry and making him swear things. I think it is very important that we see this lighter side of Michael Gambon because when he does confess everything to Harry, it is going to seem like he’s really yelling at him more. You know? And, really he blames himself and Dumbledore is a very self-blaming person, but I don’t think…

Andrew: But, first we have to ask ourselves was this Mike Newell’s decision to have him shake Harry? To do a little bit more yelling? Did Alfonso and Mike both take advantage of Michael Gambon being the new actor by making Dumbledore a little more feistier? Being a little bit more angry?

Eric: I like the idea that what Micah said was that they are adding more contrast to Harry by changing Dumbledore. And, I actually did like Richard Harris.

Andrew: Yeah, that works.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And Richard Harris in Prisoner of Azkaban

Andrew: He means Michael Gambon.

Eric: …I did like. I didn’t think there was enough of him, but I did like the whole…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: With the Time Turner scene and him going, “Goodnight!” and just leaving them there.

Laura: Oh, that was perfect.

Eric: That was funny, but I do think he is a little too forceful. You know? A little bit, especially to the wrong people.

Andrew: You know, Eric? I don’t agree with you.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: Okay. Fine! But, no. I think he’s… He should be forceful, but not to Harry, not to the wrong people. You know? I mean Michael Gambon can kick serious butt. He really can and I want him to, but not Harry’s. That’s all I am saying.

Andrew: I said this before and I’ll say it again. Warner Bros. does what they want to do to make the movie more interesting. They are not going to keep Michael Gambon being a Richard Harris.

Eric: By putting child abuse?

Andrew: They want to take advantage of this new actor by changing it up, by changing the character of Dumbledore. And yeah, I agree too that it does also affect Harry because you have this new actor who is putting a different perspective on it.

The Rules Are Absolute

Micah: I think there was a lot of just actor abuse in this movie, especially if you look at “The Rules Are Absolute” clip where Snape just continually slaps Harry and Ron on the back of the head with a book. What’s up with that?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah. It’s an underlying theme of child abuse.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: That’s what makes it so funny. It’s not child abuse. Don’t even try it.

Eric: No, the guy who reviewed our thing said that it was a scene that was completely out of Snape’s character. And, although it might have been funny, it was out of character. It was a good scene for Alan Rickman he wrote, but he just didn’t like it because it was not in Snape’s character to actually hit somebody. And, I agree. I don’t think it is. So, I don’t know what is quite going on with Gambon shaking Harry and Snape beating Ron and Harry over the head, and just forcefully shoving their head forward into their books. What’s going on?

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: Does Mike Newell, was he abused in the boarding school he went to by these teachers?

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: I mean, I’m think Pink Floyd here. I really am thinking Pink Floyd.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Oh man.

Eric: It’s like the meat grinder when they’re walking and they jump in the meat grinder.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: It’s terrible. British schools, are British schools that bad? Please, Brits of the world, e-mail me and tell me if your boarding school was this cruel to you as Michael Gambon is to Harry.

Andrew: This is Hogwarts, Eric. The rules are changed. Anything can happen.

Eric: So, Dumbledore can abuse his students because it is Hogwarts?

Andrew: Yes.

[Eric laughs]

Miranda Richardson

Andrew: But, moving along here.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: My personal pick for this movie is Miranda Richardson.

Eric: I love that.

[Laura gasps]

Andrew: Forty-seven years old.

Laura: I love her.

Eric: Ohhh! Brilliant!

Andrew: She’s… I’m just… This is going to the actor… Like there’s always one actor in the movie that I feel just takes command and really is the one you always get excited about seeing in each scene. This is going to be her. The clips that we’ve seen so far. I remember reading that her…in the…oh, what was it called? That thing that Warner Bros. put out a couple of weeks ago.

Eric: The press thing.

Micah: That 51-page thing. Is that what you’re talking about?

Andrew: Right. What was that called?

Micah: I don’t remember.

Laura: Me neither.

Andrew: I remember reading in a document released by WB talking about how they dressed Miranda Richardson in the Rita Skeeter, you know? She had the hair. But, in each different scene depending on what she was reporting on, she wears a different outfit, and it relates to that.

Eric: Cool!

Laura: Oh, that’s neat.

Eric: Cool!

Andrew: So, I think… Yeah. There’s going to be this theme with her each time. Each time you see her, you know what I mean?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s really…I’m going to like it.

Laura: I love Miranda Richardson! She’s very funny.

Eric: I’d love her Harry-bashing outfit. If she has a Harry-bashing outfit.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And has little lightening bolts all over it.

Andrew: Right.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: If only.

Eric: Lightening bolts stilettos.

Micah: I think she’s just…

Laura: Ewww!

Micah: She’s just one of those people, like Andrew said, that, you know, when you read the books, that is exactly how you picture her, the way she came up on film.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: She’s perfect.

Eric: She really is. I like that.

Imelda Staunton

Andrew: How about the rumors swirling about the new actress for Umbridge? I’m trying to look up her name.

Micah: Imelda Staunton.

Eric: Oh that’s…Imelda Staunton, I think…I haven’t seen…I don’t think I’ve seen…

Laura: I looked at her picture and actually, well you know, she’s not obviously not all made up in the picture, but just her facial expression and the way…

Andrew: Has a… Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, I’m looking forward to seeing how she turns out because her facial expressions just look exactly like I imagined Umbridge to. So, I mean, I’m not trying to insult her but…

Eric: No. [Laughs] That’s the biggest insult, but no, that’s the thing. When you walk to somebody and you would say, you make a great, you know, evil person or you’re the perfect evil monster, you know, its not very, it’s not a compliment but at the same…

Andrew: I think in Order of the Phoenix, she’s going to be that actress who everyone is going to be looking forward to.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Seeing in each…because you know, especially when I was reading that book, the Umbridge scenes – you got afraid…you were…

Eric: Oh yeah. Umbridge…

Andrew: And you just had a hate for her.

Laura: And at the same time you looked forward to them too, in a way.

Eric: Because you knew she was going to meet a sticky end.

Andrew: That’s a good question. When I was reading Book 5, every time Umbridge did something, you know, one of those new orders, I was literally…

Laura: I got so mad, yeah.

Andrew: …furious.

Eric: No, Umbridge…

Andrew: Is that…it would be a good movie if this Imelda Staunton will be able to portray the same character and make us feel the same way as we did with the books.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yes. Umbridge…

Andrew: That is when we’ll know if she’s successful.

Eric: Yeah. Umbridge was the only character that I ever recall actually beating my pillow after reading a scene with her.

[All laugh]

Andrew: Everyone had a hate for her, it was amazing how J. K. Rowling could write this.

Laura: Ohhh!

Eric: It was a genuine…

Andrew: So people will…yeah!

Eric: Hatred!

Andrew: It was a genuine hate.

Eric: It was the only character that I really, I mean…I don’t like you know, Fudge and stuff and Scrimgeour is an idiot.

Laura: But. I hated Umbridge.

Eric: But Umbridge. Umbridge was…

Laura: I hated her.

Eric: And her ‘hem-hem,’ ‘hem-hem.’

Laura: Urgh!

Eric: Every time she did that and I have the audio book to that and its [puts on high pitched voice] “hem-hem, hem-hem.”

[All laugh]

Eric: Oh my god! You just want to beat her face in and be like [fighting noise] and she’d go…

Andrew: That’s probably a fun one to listen to.

Eric: [In high-pitched voice] “hem-hem, hem-hem” [Makes swish swish noise] “Die, shut up!” Sorry. Please cut that out, Andrew.

Laura: It’s too bad Harry didn’t know Sectumsempra then.

Eric: [Groans] Somebody write a fanfic where he just meets up with Umbridge and Sectumsempras her. Zzzz-zzz-zzz [assumingly a Sectumsempra slashing noise!]. I don’t know.

Andrew: Ugh, yeah.

Eric: I don’t know. Please, I don’t want to be that forceful on the actual cast, but I really did hate Umbridge.

Laura: Oh, I thought it was good. [Laughs]

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: Okay.

Harry and Ron’s Fight

Eric: Harry and Ron’s fight, can we talk about that, in Goblet of Fire? Because we do have the clip where it supposedly starts, but I have to say for one that I was disappointed in the way…it seems that Ron, you know, he’s upset with Harry but in the scene where he confronts him it’s not necessarily very forceful or as forceful as it should be because then we see the other three or four clips I think there is, where like the repercussions of their fight happens, and it seems really drawn out and it seems like there wasn’t that big of a bang to support Ron, you know, not talking to Harry and Hermione having to be their owl between them like you know, in the other scenes. I don’t think that the fight was that big, the actual scene where they’re in the dormitory.

Laura: See that scene, it was all right to me, but the scene that really bothered me was where Hermione was playing messenger girl.

Eric: I think that’s cute.

Laura: I didn’t like it because in the book, Ron is just flat out ignoring Harry. He’s not going to come and tell him “Hagrid’s looking for you.” He didn’t want anything to do with him.

Eric: No, but it was…

Laura: So I feel like, I feel like in a way he wouldn’t want to give Harry that. He wouldn’t want to help him, especially since in the other clip that we see, in the movie, it looks as though Ron knows about the dragons.

Eric: Well, I don’t think…

Laura: I don’t think he did in the book, did he?

Eric: I’m not sure.

Laura: So he would obviously in the movie, theoretically, know that Hagrid was going to show Harry the dragons and since he’s so mad at Harry about the tournament, why would he want to…

Eric: It was taunting.

Laura: Why would he want to come and give him that information?

Eric: But it was taunting him, it wasn’t helping him. It was more like “I know something you don’t but since you’re the almighty, powerful king who hoodwinked the Goblet, you might as well know this too.” And I think you know, the whole, the whole fact that…I think Ron just wanted to tick Harry off and let Harry know that he was still upset with him by getting Hermione to say that because you know, you know what I’m trying to say? I mean I guess…

Laura: I do, but also I can’t see Hermione…

Eric: Supporting that.

Laura: Doing that either, especially when they’re standing 15 feet apart because wasn’t, it seems like there was one point in the book where Harry said…was walking around the lake with Hermione and said, “Well, you can tell him.” And Hermione was like “No, I’m not going to tell him anything, you tell him yourself.”

Eric: Yeah. That’s true. She is supportive of them in getting, you know, back together and talking to each other so she probably wouldn’t. What I paid more attention to and I think that’s probably why the scene played the way it did was Emma’s acting. A few episodes back I said I wanted to see more a book smarts Hermione and I actually think that we are getting a little bit more of that because the scene with Hermione and Harry on the bridge, where she’s explaining, you know, Victor as this physical person she uses some kind of big word that I don’t even know what it is.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: And I know some words. But so, she’s using this and displaying her knowledge and I think the whole owl thing was a great simile, even if you didn’t like the scene, the whole “I’m not an owl.” She is sending messages just like an owl, so I thought it was a great, you know, it shows a little more smarts on her part. So, I was happy. That’s what I paid attention to in that scene, was Emma.

Micah: I agree with you Eric, I don’t think the scene was as powerful as it should have been because it’s really the first fight that we see between these two friends essentially.

Eric: And it’s supposed to last the whole… I mean a long time and it, the resolution, is supposed to be crazy-good.

Micah: Right.

Eric: And for Ron, Ron just sits down in bed and he goes to sleep. He’s like “Harry…”

Laura: He comes off as being more hurt than anything.

Eric: Yeah, than, angry hurt.

Micah: It’s too toned down, that’s what I think.

Eric: And I don’t think Harry…

Andrew: Well, this is another victim of what we like to call Goblet of Fire lasting 147 minutes. Or was it 43?

Eric: No, but the fight could have lasted…well, what could have happened is…

Andrew: No, that’s the point! They can’t make it last on these time restrictions where they have to cut things down.

Eric: Then they should have made it that Ron goes up to his, you know, the dorm and slams the door in Harry’s face and he doesn’t get to defend himself. You know? Something like that. What happened was, Ron lays down and he says that thing to Harry and Harry has time to defend himself. He actually sits there going “Ron, you’re wrong. I never did this and I never did that,” and Ron just looks at him in that ‘Hurt Ron Face’ and he lays down and goes to bed. And Harry feels like he has been treated an injustice, but I just don’t think it’s powerful. I think they could have done a more powerful scene in a shorter amount of time.

Laura: I agree. I really think that the scene in the book was very powerful because you have, Harry was standing there struggling to try and get that banner that they’d tied around his neck off and Ron just sits there and watches him. And that just…I mean I can’t imagine the kind of pressure that you have, even…it is your best friend, but you have to realize when they’re not getting up to try and help you and they’re just sitting there and watching you with this…just this look of…

Eric: It’s terrible.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And here Ron is giving him time to explain himself and not believing a word. And it is an injustice still but at the same time, I think it would have been much more effective if he just came up and said “Oh, you know, you wouldn’t tell your best friend,” and then that would, you know, spark Harry into arguing, you know, fighting back. I don’t think there was that much for him to fight back to. I mean it was wrong, but it wasn’t like Ron wasn’t hurt, like angry hurt.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: He was just hurt.

Laura: Well, in the book Ron just wouldn’t listen, he…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Snapped his curtains shut. [Laughs]

Eric: Exactly, which was, you know, completely like unfair and in his face but this one wasn’t, it was in Harry’s face but it wasn’t that powerful. So, I don’t know if the friendship thing will actually be up to par or up to believability because you know, Ron has to go ignore Harry and there’s that whole scene with Hermione and the owl and all that stuff, but I don’t think if that’s the only really big confrontation they have…you know what? I want to know if they have that scar comment in, where you know, Harry says…

Laura: Oh that was…

Eric: It’s what you want anyway.

Laura: Oh I hope.

Eric: Because that is what I think, that’s going to be the only thing that might bring their fight up to believability if they have that big…that’s a big line clash, that’s the thing.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: So if that happens, I’ll be happy, but I’m worried that it won’t be believable.

Micah: No, I agree with you. Like you said, it wasn’t powerful enough and maybe there is something after that point that we didn’t see that will lead to a little bit more of an argument, but…

Eric: Otherwise, I think it will dwindle.

Micah: Exactly.

Other Goblet of Fire Scenes

Eric: We have the Unforgivable Curse, beginning of that one.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: The classroom which was…

Laura: Ah, where the trio are in the library.

Eric: Oh yes. That’s interesting. But there’s…I saw that one right after I saw Dumbledore shaking Harry so…

[All laugh]

Eric: Then he comes to tell them, no wait, who comes to tell them to get in the…? I don’t know, I don’t remember.

Laura: Moody.

Eric: Because I was so shook up about Dumbledore. I was like “Oh my god, everybody is against Harry, even the good guys.” So, there’s the scene where Barty Crouch Jr. casts the Dark Mark, but I didn’t like it because what happened was, it was, the fires had been extinguished and there was nothing left of the campground, and then, you know, Harry is dazed and confused and stuff and he doesn’t have his glasses on, but so what happens is, Barty Crouch Jr. just walks up and there’s nobody around and he walks up, and he lifts it up into the air, and says Morsmordre and then it comes out, and that was the end of the clip. But, I thought it was very atypical and different from the book because in the book…

Laura: Wow!

Eric: In the book so much is happening and, you know, it’s this big, you know, it’s this big thing where nobody knows who anybody, where anybody is, and it’s this big hustle and bustle but in the movie, nobody’s around and he just comes up and…

Laura: Not to mention if he does it in front of Harry then there’s not going to be any doubt whatsoever as to it not being Winky.

Eric: No, yeah, right.

Laura: Because…

Eric: Well, Winky is cut out of the movie and Harry didn’t have his glasses on so he doesn’t see who actually conjures it. But, my problem was that he conjured it so calmly and not really in revenge. Like…and what I don’t think happened is that I don’t think it scared the Death Eaters off because from the look of the scene, they were long gone.

Laura: Hmmm.

Eric: Which is really a shame because the Dark Mark was used to proclaim his, you know, loyalty to Voldemort and from the look of things, the fires were long gone and so were the Death Eaters.

Micah: Now…

Laura: It’s kind of disappointing.

Micah: Along those same lines, you just mentioned Winky not being in the movie, have we heard anything about Dobby being there or not being there?

Eric: No. No, no elves at all.

Micah: Not at all?

Eric: Yeah, one of the reviews we got on MuggleNet that we posted said that there were no elves whatsoever. Which is one thing I should bring up I guess, because we didn’t… I would… Have we seen any effects from the first two movies in the Third or the Fourth Movie? You know, we’ve seen some of the same actors but as far as the effects, we didn’t see… I would like to see Dobby again because it’s a good tie between the Fourth and the Second Movie.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Well he was instrumental in the Second Task.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: He was, but then they made that Neville, so that’s okay. But, my problem is that I don’t think that the films kind of blend together as films anymore because we stopped having John Williams doing the…the, you know, the sound, the music?

Andrew: Yeah, but don’t even say that that’s going to affect it. That’s not going to. Do you really think that John Williams not composing the music is going to affect the film?

Eric: No, I like the new music but what I was saying, Andrew, was that we haven’t seen, we don’t get to see Dobby again. So, there’s really no tie besides the actors to the first two movies of…

Andrew: Oh, I see what you mean.

Eric: Yeah. So, that was my only like… I believe the Marauder’s Map isn’t in Movie 4 either, so there’s no tie, like prop tie or creature tie. You know, Hogwarts has changed and there’s just no, besides the actors, there’s nothing similar about the movies it seems.

Andrew: Well this is what happens when there is director switches.

Laura: Yeah when…

Andrew: And there’s the problem of time constraints where…

Laura: They change directors like underwear.

[All laugh]

Eric: Like underwear! Well I hope they change their underwear more than once every two years!

Laura: [Laughs] You know what I meant!

Eric: I know what you mean. Well…

Eric: Steve Kloves, how often do you change your underwear? Well, I change it like I change movies.

[Laura giggles]

Prisoner of Azkaban Revisited

Andrew: Does anybody want Alfonso to direct…

Laura: Yes!

Andrew: …another Potter movie?

Laura: Oh yes!

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Really?

Andrew: Really?

Laura: I do.

Eric: Really?

Laura: I loved Alfonso!

Eric: Really?

Laura: I loved him.

Andrew: I give him credit, all the credit in the world for finally making that switch with the actors to, from the cloaks all the time and being all perfect and [squeaky voice] “Wizards!” to, now he turned them into regular, average teenagers.

Eric: He did that, and I will credit him with that.

Andrew: Which was good.

Eric: But, I thought he did it a book, I thought he did it a book too early. I think we needed love because Book 3 is all about love. I thought he did it. He did do it though, which is why I think Goblet of Fire will be such a great movie as now that, you know, they can all act as regular teenagers. But, I’d kind of lose faith in Movie 5 if he was directing because who knows how many scenes from Book 5 would be cut out and he’d still be doing things like that the bird into the Whomping Willow.

Laura: What I liked about Alfonso was that, and this is totally just me, but now when I watch Sorcerer’s Stone and Chamber of Secrets, I fall asleep. I get bored.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I get bored.

Andrew: Yep.

Laura: And when I watch Prisoner of Azkaban, I don’t get bored. And what I credit him with is he really made the movie a good movie. It’s not…he’s…honestly I would love to see someone like Terry Gilliam get a hold of a Harry Potter movie, that would just please me to no end.

Eric: Sorry, Terry Gilliam?

Laura: What?

Eric: Terry Gilliam?

Laura: Yes.

Eric: Who is Terry Gilliam?

Laura: He is one of the Pythons, Monty Python?

Eric: Okay, cut that out, I should have known that!

[All laugh]

Eric: I’m sorry. Okay, wait a minute.

Laura: No, he’s directed some, just…I love Gilliam.

Eric: Okay.

Laura: I also think that he really got the actors just…they really…

Eric: Well, I think I know what you mean. I mean the actors, like Kenneth Branagh is an awesome actor, and he did such a great job in Chamber of Secrets and it’s that you know, the actors were able to act different ways for both Chris Columbus and for Alfonso, for Alfonso. And I mean I… I think that’s cool. And I do like Prisoner of Azkaban, I think it’s…but I treat it as a different movie and I treat it as art and I think Alfonso really wants us to, to treat his film as art because it really is.

Laura: Mhm. I agree. As a film, I love it as a film. Obviously there…it wasn’t 100% true to the book. Of course not. There are a couple of scenes about it that bothered me, I thought the Buckbeak subplot was just very rushed.

Eric: King of the world!!!

[All laugh]

Andrew: Corny!

Laura: Yeah, that was pretty corny.

Andrew: Do you guys want to hear a funny story?

Eric: Yeah, sure.

Laura: Sure.

Micah: Sure.

Andrew: So, I went to see the movie the day it came out, Prisoner of Azkaban. And, first of all I was kind of disappointed by this movie and so…

Laura: Ah, you suck.

Andrew: About, I might say, well, it was towards the end, little did I know. So, I went to the bathroom, and I came back and the credits were rolling, and I was like “NO! I missed the end!”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And it was the most depressing thing.

Eric: Then when you saw the end and you were like “Oh my god, why did I cry over that!”

Andrew: So just a month ago, I finally saw the end of it, because I haven’t watched it since and I got all excited because I’d never seen the…and I had forgotten that I had missed the end. And when I saw it, I was like “Wait a second, was that a deleted scene?” Should I post this on MuggleNet? It was…

Eric: Should I post because…no it ends with him smearing across the screen.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Blood splat.

Laura: Can you imagine what it must have been like to be in the front row for that?

Andrew: First of all, let me just say. I had an overwhelming disappointment with when I came back and the movie was over and I had missed the ending. Because what was especially disappointing is that it ended so suddenly, the ending was not good. I don’t think.

Laura: I think the ending could have been better. As a whole…

Eric: The Firebolt…

Laura: I liked Prisoner of Azkaban, the movie, far more than the first two.

Eric: I didn’t. I liked, I mean one of the things, I think one of the things that makes it easy to be treated as an art film is because the third book had all the really cool CGI and the art effects. Like they had Buckbeak, they had the Marauders’ Map which was then turned into the credits and we kind of see that Mike Newell now, with the review that we got on MuggleNet that he says the credits of Goblet of Fire are actually stuff flying out of the Goblet. Like little papers flying out of the Goblet.

Andrew: Is it?

Laura: That’s cool.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, that would explain why it lasts 15 minutes.

[All laugh]

Eric: Well, I think, I think it’s cool, you know, that they do that but…because they’re taking off of what Alfonso did, which was great, but Movie 3 really did have a lot of all the…like the werewolf and the Whomping Willow and the Marauders’ Map.

Laura: I didn’t like the werewolf.

Eric: I didn’t personally either, but the fact is…

Laura: I thought it looked like…

Eric: It did.

Laura: Like a hairless Chihuahua or something.

[All laugh]

Eric: Yo quiero la Taco Bell!

Eric: Oh, okay. But they did have all the…and the Knight Bus and, you know, all that stuff. It was a very artsy film, so I think it was very…

Laura: It was.

Eric: It was very appropriate for Alfonso to turn it into that because of all the special effects but we did lose story in there.

Laura: Oh we did, definitely. And I think the most disappointing part about Prisoner of Azkaban was the fact that we didn’t find out all that much about the Marauders. And I read somewhere that that was…they were planning on revealing more of that in Goblet of Fire, but if there’s no Marauders’ Map…

Eric: Which is…yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I think if there’s…I think in Book 5, or Movie 5 sorry, what they need to do to bring the movie series together, is in Book 5 have a really good scene with Harry and Sirius and Lupin.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: I think that’s like…there should…and I hope they do the Pensieve scene with Snape. The thing that they need to do, and I think it’s very important is to, in order for them to include the part about Harry and his family, in order to include his love for them at all, they must do the Pensieve scene with Snape and Lily and all the Marauders as kids.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And they need to have Harry confront Sirius and Remus in the future and say, “What was my father like?” because I think that’s so important. Harry’s love for his parents is so important and they don’t have it in the movies.

Laura: It is.

Eric: And its…they’re running out of opportunities. They really are running out of opportunities.

Micah: My biggest problem, sorry.

Eric: No, keep going, Micah.

Micah: Was exactly what Laura said, with Prisoner of Azkaban, definitely the whole Marauders being left out because I think if you look at it, it’s kind of like well how did Lupin know how to use the map after he took it from Harry? You know what I mean?

Eric: It’s a problem.

Micah: How did he know, how did he know what it was, how did he know it did when he was explaining it to him in the Defense Against The Dark Arts classroom after he took it away.

Eric: Right. Not only is it not mentioned but it’s now a plothole because of that.

Micah: Right.

Eric: Because they still made him, you know, do that. So…

Laura: I think the thing is, Prisoner of Azkaban especially was definitely a film geared more towards the fans and the people who knew why everything was happening that was happening because I will admit there were people in my theater who were totally bewildered. There was one girl sitting behind me when Hermione punched Draco and she was like “Why is she so mad at him?” and I just wanted to turn around and be like “Well duh, he’s Draco Malfoy!”

Eric: Well it’s funny…

Laura: But, obviously she hadn’t read the books!

Eric: Well, it’s funny because Laura, you say that it was a movie geared towards the fans because they didn’t have to include the Marauders subplot and stuff, but other people say that it’s a movie geared towards the non-fans who didn’t see the, or didn’t read the books because it’s a sit-through movie with none of that back story.

Laura: I think it’s geared towards non-fans in the, in the fashion that I think for instance like I said, the first two movies put me to sleep now. But I think it was definitely…[sighs]…a better film to keep people’s attention, but I do think that in the sense that fans knew why all of what was happening was happening. In that sense it was geared towards fans.

Micah: I had to watch this movie more than once before I actually appreciated it. And I mean I don’t know why that was, but the first time I watched it, I was just…I just didn’t like it, but the more and more I watched it, the more and more I enjoyed it. And I mean, that’s just something I can’t explain I guess.

Eric: I think Chris Columbus’ films have a built-in sense of enjoyment to them that’s very powerful and strong and I think Chris really as a director uses his actors to give him that like, you know, Kenneth Branagh. You can sit and watch that scene and Kenneth just does a great job because he’s such a great actor and it really feels…

Laura: Exactly.

Eric: …the scene in the movie and it keeps it going and there is a happy story to it, so it’s a lighter type of mood, and I think with Alfonso he had the, he had the humor with Aunt Marge. You know…

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: …floating and when Harry gets his trunk and he walks out and she’s still floating.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: That was…and I missed that! In the movie I missed it, it was so funny because everybody was cracking up laughing and I missed, I didn’t see her floating and I had to ask everybody “What just happened?” And then they told me “Oh my god, Aunt Marge was there.” And I was like “Oh my god, that’s so funny!”

[All laugh]

Eric: So, he did have humor and you know but it was slightly different, it’s a different kind of humor than what Chris Columbus had. You know, it was more, it was more built into the feel of the movie.

Micah: Right. The first time I saw it, I was just kind of like “Huh?” You know, “What just happened?”

[All laugh]

Micah: It’s because it’s like you guys said, there’s so many things that are missing if you read the books and you know, you know, that they’re not there in the film that I really did have to go back and watch it a couple more times.

Eric: But it is an art film and it is…

Laura: Definitely.

Andrew: Well, on that note, I think it is time to wrap it up.

Laura: Awww!

Andrew: For this part of the discussion.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: See how long have we been going for? Oh geez…one hour.

Laura: 1:16:00.

Eric: 1:17:00.

Micah: I’m glad I got that new transcriber!

[All laugh]

Andrew: Okay well, so… We’re all bored of Goblet of Fire now.

Spy on Spartz

Andrew: All right so now it’s time to get to our weekly segments that we do produce here each week on MuggleCast. They make the issue shine. First off, “Spy on Spartz!”

Laura: Dun-dun-dun.

Eric: Woooooh! Woooooh!

Andrew: Looking at AIM right now, we will find that Emerson is costume shopping.

Laura: Let’s take bets on what he’s going to be.

Andrew: Oooooh!

Eric: Napoleon Dynamite.

Andrew: Oooh, I second that. That’s a great idea.

Laura: Yeah. [Laughs]

Eric: I say Napoleon Dynamite. But he’s been gone for like three hours now so if he can’t find a Dynamite costume, I don’t now. Maybe he’s actually…no, you know what, he’s tailor-fitting the golden suit, or whatever that…you know the golden brown that… Nevermind.

Andrew: Right. We got you.

Eric: No, he’s at a dance instructor learning how to do the dance.

[All laugh]

Eric: That’s what he’s doing. He has his wig.

Andrew’s Listener Challenge

Andrew: Okay, well that was fun. And still on the topic of Halloween, I’m going to continue my weekly challenge to you. It’s now a three-week weekly challenge to you. Which is to dress up as one of us, whether it’s Micah, Laura, Eric, Ben, Jamie, Kevin or even myself. We have a big group of MuggleCasters, I just realized.

Eric: Yeah, we do.

Laura: If you dress up as me, I’m so sorry.

[All laugh]

Andrew: You only got one picture, right? You only got one girl who sent something in.

Laura: Yeah, one person and I’m just, I’m sorry if you really want to be me for Halloween.

Andrew: We’re going to…one important thing here is to take pictures, take lots of pictures if you dress up as one of us. I’ve already got a few emails, people saying they’re going to dress up as me.

[All laugh]

Andrew: I sincerely, apologies in advance because nobody is going to know who you are. Except for your friends, I guess. So, take your pictures then email them to challenge at staff dot mugglenet dot com and then we will post them in a photo gallery, so everyone can see them. So be forewarned, they are going to be posted online so by sending us the photos, you do agree to having them posted online. Unless you email me and say or well, email challenge at staff dot mugglenet dot com and say, “Hey, don’t post my photos but here, you guys can check them out.” We have to see them to get points. Ahhh!

Eric: Okay, actually I have a listener challenge. Since Halloween has really brought this thing into perspective, the Goblet of Fire just around the horizon, I was thinking that if you are coming to the premiere in New York City, if you could possibly make a shirt, a T-shirt about MuggleCast to wear to the Barnes & Noble. If you could do that, that would be really cool. Because I know everybody really has a…everybody’s got to have this costume, I mean sorry this T-shirt shop, custom T-shirt shop in their hometown. Just make one with a quote on it or something. The best thing you love about MuggleCast.

Andrew: Right, and if you can maybe you want to make one or two extras for us, give them to us.

Eric: Oh yes, by all means, give us your T-shirts.

Andrew: We’d wear them.

Eric: Yes, I will wear, if I get 365 MuggleCast T-shirts made from you fans, I will wear one every day of the year.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Awwww!

Andrew:: That’s so nice.

Eric: And it doesn’t even have to be about me, it can be a quote from Ben or something and it doesn’t matter.

[All laugh]

Eric: I will wear it.

Andrew: We are still working on some things for the show.

Eric: I’m a medium by the way. An adult medium.

Andrew: Oh yeah. Same here.

Eric: Sorry, Andrew, go ahead! Just keep moving on, sorry.

Andrew: So anyway we are looking into…well for one, now that we have sponsorships and such, we are going to start spending a little more money on the show because it’s all for you guys.

[Andrew sings “All for you”]

Andrew: Except for that singing. We are going to start upgrading some stuff, we’re going to be looking into a toll-free number so anyone can send us a voicemail.

Eric: And call in.

Andrew: We’ll play them on the air.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: It will be nice and easy. And then also, we’re looking into a PO box. Because we like free stuff, so by creating a PO box that you guys can mail stuff to, for us, you can do it easily. We don’t want to give out your home addresses. Our home addresses. We trust you but we don’t trust that other guy.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Yeah that one in the corner, outside the window.

Micah: He’s out there again?

[All laugh]

Andrew: I know, tell me about it!

Eric: Micah, beat him up. Beat him up, Micah.

Micah: All right.

Andrew: So on that note, one last reminder, our Lego contest in partnership with MillionairePlayboy.com is still running. All you have to do is go to MuggleCast.com and in the “Show Notes,” we have a link to information about the contest, basically what you do is you build your own Lego scene from…related to Half-Blood Prince and the winner will receive two Lego sets. The contest runs through November 4th and the winners will be announced on our live show on Episode 15.

Eric: You know what’s really funny, Andrew?

Andrew: What’s that?

Eric: I’m going to take my Ron Lego and a girl Lego and I’m going to glue their faces together and that’s going to be Ron and Lavender.

[All laugh]

Laura: Ewww!

Eric: Think hot glue will work.

Show Close

Andrew [Show Close with music in background]: Excellent. Excellent. And don’t forget everyone to sign up or add yourself to our Frappr! Map. Once again go to MuggleCast.com, click on “Tell Us Where You Live.” And don’t forget PowWows.com is an excellent site for Native American information.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Most importantly Pow Wows.

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: We’ve been talking about them throughout the month. So, next week we will get back to our regular character discussions where we look at one specific character in-depth. Next week we will be talking about Ginny Weasley. So send in your Ginny Whizzley…Ginny Whizzley…

Eric: Ginny Whezzley?

Andrew: So, send in your Ginny Wheez… Oh my god!

[All laugh]

Eric: Ginny Whizzey. Ginny Whizzey.

Andrew: So, send in your Ginny Weasley questions to voice at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Please send in voicemail questions and keep them under 30 seconds. Or if you have any other questions relating to any other Harry Potter books or maybe a theory or discussion, send those in to the same address, voice at staff dot mugglenet dot com. But, it is important to keep them under 30 seconds.

Andrew: That wraps up the show once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: We’ll see you next week for Episode 14.


Andrew: Here now is another remix sent in by Ralph.

Remix by Ralph coming soon!


[Eric makes weird Halloween noises] and then transitions into…

[Eric sings the theme from “Doug”]


Written by: Micah and Jess