Episode 124: Co-workers at Play

  • Amazon.com revealed as winning bidder for The Tales of Beedle The Bard.
  • We announce a big change coming to our show.
  • Order of the Phoenix DVD discussion.
  • Andrew has pixilation problems.
  • Were the deleted scenes really that good?
  • Trailing Tonks one of the best special features.
  • Hidden Secrets of Harry Potter: was it necessary?
  • We read some Muggle Mail from last week’s show.
  • Chapter-by-Chapter: The Seven Potters.
  • Ties to previous books: Polyjuice Potion and the Motorcycle.
  • Hedwig’s death sets an early tone to the novel.
  • Was Expelliarmus the weakest explanation for the Death Eaters recognizing Harry?
  • The mysterious wand reaction that saved Harry’s life.
  • Chicken Soup Finals Edition.

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Transcript 123

MuggleCast 123 Transcript

Show Intro

[Intro music begins]

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[Music changes]

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[Show music begins]

Micah: Because Andrew’s anger is about to go through the roof, this is MuggleCast Episode 123 for December 9th, 2007.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Good December, ladies and gentlemen. We’re back for another week on the show and Matt and Micah are here.

Matt: Hi.

Micah: Hey.

Andrew: We are down to the bottom of the barrels, so to speak, when it comes to MuggleCast ho-hosts. [laughs]

Matt: Awww.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: You’re sweet.

Andrew: Ho! Ho! Ho! I’m in the merry mood. Everyone has given up on the show at this point. Laura is studying for finals. Eric is touring New Zealand for the eighteenth billionth time before he leaves. Jamie is finishing up school. Ben is busy. Kevin is nowhere to be found, and it’s just a mess. And I have to wonder when people like Laura skip out on the show for one week, just because of finals. Matt has finals next week, but is he dropping out? No! I have finals in two weeks! Am I dropping out? No! We don’t turn off our MuggleCast recording boxes just because of finals, like Laura does. What is wrong? [sighs]

Matt: Well, I don’t really care about my finals because I’m failing my class anyways, so…

Andrew: Exactly. Me, too. But we have a great show for everyone today. I’m Andrew Sims.

Matt: Mhm. I’m…

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: Dammit!

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Were you cutting me off like the one time I go second in 123 episodes?

Matt: You went before me last time. I always thought you liked going last.

Micah: Oh, so you want to go first this time? Go ahead.

Matt: You want sloppy-seconds? Fine.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

[Show music continues to play]


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories. Hey Micah!

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. Actor Alan Rickman, who plays Severus Snape in the
Harry Potter films, has recently donated two of his autographed scripts from Goblet of Fire, a signed headshot, and a Hogwarts Quidditch shirt to an online charity auction. This auction is to support Artists for a New South Africa, which mainly strives to advance human and civil rights in South Africa, among other many objectives. Bidding ends on December 14th.

Jim Hill Media, a new website blog that we should be getting used to hearing from for theme park updates, has a new entry which reveals construction is now underway to prepare the area. It says:

Well, once it’s been determined that the Universal Orlando Resort has a level working surface which will actually be to support the weight of this several-hundred-ton structure (Which is quite a concern in sinkhole-prone Central Florida), then construction can then begin in earnest on Hogwarts Castle. With first the footings & foundation work getting underway in January, which will then be followed by vertical construction on this enormous show building in the late winter or early spring of next year.

Additional updates and construction photos can be found on Jim Hill Media. As construction moves along, you can be sure to find the latest updates and complete information in the Theme Park section of MuggleNet.com.

Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint were all named some of the top earning “20 under 25” stars according to Forbes magazine. Dan took the top honors for the male actors, landing the countdown at number six, racking in $15 million. Emma came in 15th with $4 million along with co-star Rupert, closely following at number 16. E! Entertainment will have a one-hour special on this countdown on Saturday, December 22nd, at 6 PM Eastern.

And having shot a special piece on Wizard Rock back in June, MTV has now released a Top 10 list of their favorite Wizard Rock bands.

Finally, on Barbara Walters’ 10 Most Fascinating People of 2007 special, J.K. Rowling was named the number one most fascinating and “magical” person of the year.
The Harry Potter author also recently updated her site to recap the four months since the release of Deathly Hallows, answer questions surrounding “Chapter 35, King’s Cross”, and provide information on Harry and Dudley’s relationship as well as the elder wand.

That’s all the news for this December 9th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome, Andrew.

Andrew: I’m going to yell this entire show because I’m really frustrated at the lack of co-hosts. Ah! [Takes deep breaths]

Micah: I think you need to calm down a little bit.

Matt: Just a little bit, dude.

News Discussion: Wizard Rock

Andrew: I’m really worked up. MTV published a list of the “Top Ten Wizard Rock Bands” this week, and it sort of sent the wizard rock community into a frenzy because the wizard rock community does not like picking favorites, so to speak, and then MTV comes out with this list, and you know MTV is sort of seen as the face of the teenage music generation, so to speak, and not many people were too happy about it. I guess the ten bands that did get featured were happy about it, but do you think this was a good idea for MTV?

Matt: I don’t think MTV really cares.

Andrew: [laughs] Probably not. They’re all corporate. And the list showed some wizard rock bands that we’re friends with, notably the Remus Lupins, Alex Carpenter and the gang. Who else do we got? Harry and the Potters, the Moaning Myrtles, the Owl Post, the Whomping Willows, you know, all good bands.

Matt: Yeah. Who got number one?

Andrew: Oh, well yeah, that’s the one thing. The band who got number one isn’t even – I’m pretty sure it’s not even officially a wizard rock band. Switchblade Kittens?

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: They didn’t start as a – don’t laugh, come on.

Matt: Sorry.

Andrew: Come on, shhh. [laughs] Switchblade Kittens. They started as a band that has nothing to do with Harry Potter, then when their second album was released, it was about Harry Potter. So they got in this top ten list – I guess they got number one just because of how professional their albums are. It is a very professional studio feel if you give them a listen. However, they’re not a real wizard rock band, and I seriously doubt they’re the most popular. So, whatever. I don’t think MTV did all their research on that one.

News Discussion: The Trio’s Earnings

Andrew: But, in other news, the Trio were three people out of a long list of people who were named the Top Young Entertaining Earners, if I sentenced that right. Dan Radcliffe was, of course, number one. He has earned 15 million, and the article says that that’s more than performers twice his age like Jennifer Aniston and Sandra Bullock. And Emma Watson and Rupert Grint both earned four million apiece.

Matt: So Dan earned 15 million, and Emma and Rupert just got four?

Andrew: Yeah, four apiece, despite the fact that in my opinion, they’re just as important…

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: …as Dan.

Matt: The three are irreplaceable at this point. They were pretty much irreplaceable after the first movie.

Andrew: Right. Yeah. Then a few weeks ago, or a few months ago I should say, there was even some controversy that Emma Watson was holding out for more money.

Matt: [laughs] Oh.

Andrew: I mean, WB would never ever let her go! [laughs] That would shake up – if you’re going to let her go, heck, let Dan Radcliffe and Rupert Grint go. You’re already screwing up the trio; it just would not be complete.

Micah: Well you know what it was really, is that Ben – Ben wouldn’t allow that to happen. So…

Andrew: [laughs] Ben would not let that happen, that’s right.

Micah: He has so much pull too. I mean, come on guys.

Andrew: Yeah. Speaking of pull, Andy McCray had just joined us.

Andy: Good morning, slash afternoon.

Andrew: Good morning, Andy. What time is it over there in Australia?

Andy: It’s 1 p.m., Friday.

Andrew: Ah nice. Wow, you are – God.

Matt: You are God.

Andrew: Are you guys just like living in one big time machine or something? How do you possibly live in the future?

Andy: It’s pretty good; I actually know what happens to you tomorrow. So, it’s good.

Andrew: Really? Wow.

Andy: Yep.

Andrew: What happens to me?

Andy: You put this show out, and everyone downloads it.

Andrew: Oh, wow. That’s weird, because I usually don’t put the show out until Sunday.

Andy: Hmmm.

Andrew: What is my future self thinking!

[Andrew and Matt laugh]

News Discussion: The Golden Compass

Andrew: Anyway. There wasn’t really any much other news this week. However, we did want to mention that The Golden Compass was released on Friday. And there has been a little controversy following this book, just like Harry Potter. Right, Matt?

Matt: Yeah. Well, not only Harry Potter but like, The Da Vinci Code, and any other movies?

Andrew: No. Well.

Matt: I would say maybe – well yeah. Whenever there’s religion even plugged into a movie, there’s going to be some kind of boycott.

Andrew: Now, has anyone here read The Golden Compass?

Micah: No.

Matt: No.

Andy: No, sorry.

Micah: I was thinking about it.

Andrew: Well apparently it hits religion more than Harry Potter does, and apparently in the book, the plot involves trying to kill God, or trying to kill a god in the books.

Matt: Right.

Andrew: So that’s of course stirred a lot of controversy. Much more than Harry Potter should be getting.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I mean, if you know, Harry was trying to kill God, if Jo called Lord Voldemort, “God” and Harry was trying to kill God, then yeah there would be a problem. But heck The Golden Compass is even worse. We have an article here that covers the controversy over the movie release. And, in the movie, I quote the article, “in the movie, the organization is tearing away people’s…” is that demons? What is that word?

Matt: Yeah, it’s daemons.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Matt: It’s pronounced daemons.

Andrew: “In the movie the organization is tearing away people’s daemons, or souls, to see what happens. Several groups are in opposition to the mysterious organization and many detractors think that the story is an allegory of the Catholic Church. So, obviously it is still going to be released in theaters it is still going to be big. It looks good though.

Matt: Yeah, it looks – yeah.

Andrew: I mean, look at the cast. James Bond is in it, that is an automatic win.

Matt: Yeah, that’s good.

Micah: Which James Bond?

Andrew: The guy who plays – I forgetting his name right now.

Andy: Daniel Craig?

Andrew: Daniel Craig, yeah.

Micah: The more recent one, then.

Andrew: Yeah, well you know. The current Bond, Daniel Craig, is in it. And who is the actress co-starring with him?

Matt: Nicole Kidman.

Andrew: Yes, Nicole Kidman. Yes. So it looks like a good movie. Who here is going to go see it? Who here wants to see it?

Andy: Why not? Sounds good.

Matt: Well, I am fairly curious. Yeah, looks good. New Line Cinema, from Lord of the Rings.

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know…

Micah: On all the previews I see fighting polar bears, so you know, that has to equate to good movie time.

Matt: Oh, yeah man.

Andrew: Not only a fighting polar bear, a talking polar bear.

Micah: Oh wow!

Matt: With armor!

Andrew: I think it is the same one from LOST.

[Andy, Matt and Micah laugh]

Andy: Is there a big black cloud in it as well?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s like all this random stuff.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I hear the polar bear actually looks real in The Golden Compass compared to LOST, though. So, that should be something to see.

Matt: Did you guys go on The Golden Compass website to find your Daemon?

Andrew: No.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: What happens?

Matt: Anybody else?

Micah: Not yet.

Matt: Am I the only dork who did it?

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Clearly.

Andrew: Yes.

Matt: Well, mine is…

Andrew: So did you find your daemon?

Matt: I did, it is a jackal.

Andrew: Oooh. Is your daemon the equivalent of your Patronus?

Matt: It is supposed to be your soul on the outside, I think. I am not going to be sure because I don’t want everyone e-mailing and yelling at me for getting it wrong, but I know that your daemon is usually of the opposite sex.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: I guess maybe it is like your other half or something, maybe? I don’t know.

Andrew: But, what if you are gay?

[Andy laughs]

Matt: Well…

Andrew: No seriously.

Matt: …it is probably a phoenix. Just like Dumbledore.

[Everyone laughs]

Happy Birthday Jamie

Andrew: Well said. Well said. Anyway, moving on to some announcements now. Hey, guess whose birthday it is?

Matt: [in a British accent] Hello, mate.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes. Jamie Lawrence turns 21. The big 21 turning on Friday. Happy Birthday, Jamie. Too bad he cannot be here. Guess what he is doing on his birthday?

Micah: I don’t think that is allowed to be said.

Matt: Yeah, I don’t…

Andrew: Why not? It’s legal in England.

Micah: Oh. [laughs]

Matt: Well, it is legal here. [whispers] But we do not talk about it.

Andrew: Oh true. It is, yeah. He is legal in the U.S. now. Although technically he has been legal in the U.S. since July 12th.

Micah: Yeah, that’s true.

Matt: What?

Andrew: Because on English driver’s licenses the date format is backwards.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: It’s day, month, year rather than month, day, year.

Matt: Oh, that’s right.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So, not that I am going to suggest anything about posing as a 21-year old in the United States if your birthday is July 12th. However, if someone where to look at his ID in the United States, they would think he was born July 12th, 1986? 87?

Andrew: 86, yeah.

Matt: 86.

Micah: So, basically the Americans are…

Matt: Stupid.

Micah: …stupid.

Andrew: Stupid, yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Exactly.


Andrew: Now, don’t forget that we don’t have any updates, but we want to remind everyone that Mugglecast will be at Port – Portus…

Matt: [laughs] Yeah, pork.

Andrew: At the Potter Podcast Polusa, at Portus, Peter Picked a Peck of Peppers Pickle! Uh, what was so funny Matt?

Matt: Uh, I thought you said “pork.”

Andrew: Pork! We’ll be at Pokus 2010! No, we will be at Portus 2008. There will be a great time podcasting. There is going to be a whole night of podcasting at Portus. Visit hp2008.org for more details. Register today so we can see you there. It’s going to be a lot of fun. It is going to be in Dallas, Texas.

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Muggle Mail: Dudley and The Tea Cup

Andrew: All right, now it is time to move on to Mugglemail.

Micah: The first e-mail comes from Clint, age 11 from North California.

“Dear MuggleCasters: Hey, guys. I’m somewhat of a new listener to the show, and I really like Chapter-By-Chapter. It’s a great way to find out the little things that you’ve missed in the books. However, in the latest MuggleCast, #122, which I thought was a very good one, I thought you left out one important part in Chapter Two, In Memoriam. It was the part when Harry steps on the tea cup that Dudley left for him. Since Harry saved Dudley from the dementors and Dudley saw what he really was, Dudley started being nicer to Harry. He didn’t taunt him at all through Book 6. This just shows that Dudley really does have a kind heart deep down. The tea wasn’t much, but it’s the thought that counts. This is just another little fact, and I know it’s hard to fit everything in. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Love the show, Clint.”

Andrew: We actually, Micah I think that you and Laura both thought about this, but then we just didn’t get to it.

Matt: Well, is it really even relevant in that chapter yet?

Andrew: No, it isn’t relevant…

Matt: In the next chapter…

Andrew: It’s…

Matt: In that chapter you believe that it’s a booby trap or something. You don’t think that he’s doing it to be nice.

Micah: Right.

Andy: Right.

Andrew: Yeah, that is true. Yeah, so I guess we will discuss that in a little bit once we get to Chapter-by-Chapter today. Can I just say, Clint is 11 years old if he’s not lying about his age, and he’s a pretty good writer for an 11-year-old.

Matt: He’s the best writer.

Micah: Yeah, I was going to say that.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: Most people leave out words, create sentences that don’t make a whole lot of sense, but his was pretty well written.

Andrew: Right. Actually, he spelled “heart” wrong. He spelled it h-a-e-r-t.

Micah: Well, we’ll give him a break.

Matt: But he spelled “memoriam.”

Andrew: Well, yes.

[Matt laughs]

Muggle Mail: Twilight Series

Andrew: The next e-mail comes from Meghan, 20, of Stillwater, Oklahoma. She writes in response to our discussion on Twilight last week.

“I’m listening to episode 122 right now and I thought I would comment about the Twilight series. This series is very popular, and I heard about it from the former MuggleCast Fan Forums. I do not think that Twilight will ever take the place of Harry Potter because many people have never even heard of this series, I know I hadn’t until I joined the forums, and many stores did not have the huge release parties for the third book in the series like the stores have done for Harry Potter releases. However, I do think it is interesting to note that often times on the forums we would have random discussions about the Twilight series way more often than we would about Harry Potter. I even pointed that out once on the forums. When I pointed it out most people told me that while it is true that we are slowly gravitating towards the Twilight series, Harry Potter will always have a special place in their hearts. Anyways, I just thought I would offer the perspective of a deeply loyal Harry Potter and Twilight fan. I love the show. Meghan.”

Matt: Hmmm.

Andrew: So, I wouldn’t – I mean, if they’re starting to gravitate to Twilight, great, but I don’t think that the fandom as a whole is gravitating towards any other series.

Matt: A lot of – I think it’s mostly just the girls, will go to the Twilight. I mean, I read a little bit about what Twilight the series is about. It’s about a relationship between this – between a teenage girl and this boy who I guess is a vampire. Or something.

Andrew: Okay.

Matt: And there must be this endangerment to her now because I guess there’s something that’s against the – I don’t know what after that, but it seems like it’s kind of a romantic novel but with magic.

Andrew: Mhm.

Andy: Do they have mutual attraction?

Matt: Well, it’s not the mutual attraction that you think of when you first hear about it.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: It’s – I think the mutual attraction is more like they’re outsiders.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Andy: They’re daemons?

Matt: Yes.

Muggle Mail: More on Twilight Series

Andrew: However, Matt, Saul, 16, of Mason, Arizona would beg to differ about the whole only girls read Twilight, because he writes:

“I was listening to Episode 122 when you brought up the book Twilight. To quickly clear up any confusion, Twilight is a vampire romance novel.”

As Matt said.

“Following the story of Bella Swan and the troubles that have aroused between her and her love, Edward.”

Just like in Enchanted!

“Anyway, you guys said ‘not too many guys read Twilight. WRONG!”

In all caps.

Micah: Okay, one guy reads Twilight.

Matt: I know. It’s just one guy, okay.

[Andrew laughs]

Matt: Wrong! One guy, at least.

Andrew: “I was reading these books before they got quote unquote big. The author happens to be the sister-in-law of one of my teachers, so she had the chance to visit our school. I threw this off and said, ‘So what?’ I regret this, because shortly after I began to read these books, and now love them. I soon found out that I wasn’t close to being the only guy. Many, many, many guys actually read these books. I personally don’t read them for the romance, but for the adventure and suspense. So, sorry, but you’re wrong here. While most of the guys don’t read them, many still do. Will it take away from Harry Potter? I won’t lie when I say it can come extremely close to it. Twilight is quickly becoming the number one fan fiction, and even threw Harry Potter off of the number one bestseller list. I doubt that it will amount to the size of our fandom, which I will forever be loyal to, but this is certainly becoming something huge. Conclusion, yes, guys like this book, and it’s not just that Dumbledore liked guys, either.”

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: Good point, good point. Okay. I don’t know if I can still agree with that whole Twilight is becoming big because I hadn’t heard of it before last week’s show.

Micah: Well, it’s interesting – last week all four of us were pretty sure we hadn’t heard of it before. I think Laura was the only one who had. So…

Matt: And she had only heard of it because of her friend.

Micah: Yeah.

Matt: A friend of a friend’s cousin’s sister’s hairdresser’s…

Micah: And this kid is only promoting it because his friend’s sister-in-law is the one who wrote the book.

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: On Amazon.com it has an average customer rating of four-and-a-half stars, so it’s definitely not a terrible book.

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Muggle Mail: Elphias Doge

Matt: John, 15, from Oshawa, Ontario- what am I supposed to say?

Andrew: John, 15, from Oshawa, Ontario writes…

[Matt laughs]

Matt: Oh, okay. Sorry. John, 15, of Oshawa, Ontario writes:

“During the Chapter-by-Chapter segment you discussed (page 21, U.K./Canadian, page 15, American?) Elphias Doge’s article. When you discussed ‘our mutual attraction was undoubtedly due to the fact that we both felt ourselves to be outsiders,’ I noticed that no one mentioned that the attraction could have been to the school, and not each other. Everyone seemed to go straight to the relationship thing because Dumbledore is gay, which I’m fine with, he is, before any assumptions come into play. Anyway, I just wanted to know what you guys thought about my point of view. Keep on the great casting.”

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: I think Matt should just start reading email now because he adds character to it.

[Matt laughs]

Matt: I started trailing on…

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: I know.

Matt: Because my computer started dimming for a second.

Andrew: Oh.

Matt: I got a little disoriented.

Andrew: And you were like, “it could have been to the school and not each other.”

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a good point. That’s a good point. I think that definitely could have been true.

Micah: I think we did discuss other things, didn’t we? I mean, it was kind of overridden by the other mutual attraction that we spoke about, but…

Andrew: By the way, I’m sorry about being immature last week. That was inappropriate of me.

Micah: That’s okay.

Matt: Yeah, that was pretty – that really hurt my feelings, Andrew.

Andrew: I don’t do it again. No, I hurt some listeners’ feelings. I feel bad now.

Matt: Awww.

Andrew: I need to grow up.

Micah: Because I think…

Andrew: Because I’m doing a Harry Potter show.

Micah: Yeah, really…

Andrew: Why should I be fun?

Micah: Come on. Last week, I remember Laura talking about how Dodge had Dragon Pox and so I thought mutual attraction had more to do with the fact that he was an outsider because he was diseased, at least in the beginning, and then Dumbledore was sort of his own person and probably didn’t fit in much with anybody. So, I think – we did kind of explore that side of it. So, that was all.

Chapter-by-Chapter: The Dursley’s Departing

Andrew: Okay. Let’s move on to Chapter-by-Chapter now. This week we’ll be talking about Chapter 3 in Deathly Hallows. It is The Dursleys Departing. Everyone open up their books.

Micah: Oh, man.

Andrew: And basically what happens in this chapter, to summarize real quick – Harry leaves the Dursleys’ house and the Dursleys feel a little emotional about leaving Harry. I mean, this is a big – this is another one of those – the big endings and…

Matt: This is one of the highly – highest anticipated chapters of the series.

Andrew: You think so?

Matt: Well, up until Book 7 – I mean, when everyone was waiting for Book 7 to come out. I think so.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Matt: Everyone wanting to see what Aunt Petunia would do…

Andrew: Yeah. That’s true.

Micah: Yeah. I’ll agree with that.

Andrew: There was still a big question about Aunt Petunia.

Micah: And it couldn’t be a bigger let down.

Andrew: Right.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, we didn’t find out, though. But J.K. Rowling…

Matt: That happened later in the book.

Andrew: Actually, wait, now I’m remembering. She did address later in the web chat…

Micah: Right.

Andrew: That she had different plans for Petunia, but then she changed her mind.

Matt: Hmmm.

Andrew: So, anyway, we’ll go through our top five moments of the book this week that we do want to discuss.

Harry’s Treatment

Micah: The first thing that we can take a look at is, you know, Harry’s treatment, in this chapter in particular, is kind of reflective of the way he’s treated throughout the entire course of the series, whenever we see the Dursleys. And, you know, the main thing that takes place that kind of shows this is the conversation that he has with Vernon and sort of the exchange that they have with each other.

Andrew: Right. It’s very…

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: You get – you get a sense of the – the feeling that Vernon’s feeling, that this is the last time. It’s a sad goodbye and he’s feeling a little emotional.

Micah: You think he is? I don’t know.

Andrew: I think so.

Micah: I think he’s full of it, to be honest with you.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: I think he wants to get away from him as – as quickly as he possible can.

Andy: I think he’s more worried about his – oh, sorry. I was just going to say, I think he’s more worried about his and his family’s safety, rather than anything else.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: I think he’s just really, really, just uneased because he pretty much – he really has no control of the situation pretty much. And he’s trying his best to kind of grasp a little firm hand on something but he just – Harry keeps taking him down.

Andrew: Yeah, but I mean, the reason I say that it might have been a little emotional for him is because he did give Harry a handshake and it was sort of – Jo wrote it as if there was a little bit of an awkward moment there.

Micah: Well, didn’t he attempt to give him a handshake? I don’t think he actually did. I think he extended his hand…

Andrew: Yeah, I am trying to find it.

Matt: No, no. He just brought it – he lifted up his hand as if he was going to shake it…

Andrew: Alright, and then he swung it like a pendulum, I think Jo wrote.

Matt: Sort of like he backed down and swung it like a pendulum.

Andrew: So, I don’t know. I sort of just got the sense that he was feeling a little – it’s a big change. Obviously, at least Dudley was feeling something, so I would think that Vernon was too if – I don’t know.

Matt: Maybe he was just doing – you know, doing the formalities.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Andy: That’s possible.

Matt: It’s like saying goodbye to a family member even if you don’t…

Micah: Yeah. But I thought it was interesting that – he doesn’t even seem to believe anything that Harry says and that’s consistent, again, throughout the entire series. He’s going back and forth in this chapter with Harry about, “Oh, well, do we really have to leave? I don’t really think we have to leave. Why can’t somebody else protect us? Why can’t the ministry step in and…” I think it’s just more of his character than anything else that, you know, he’s hesitant whenever this topic is brought up as far as the magical world is concerned and he just doesn’t seem to put any trust in Harry whatsoever – that this is the right thing to do.

Andrew: But now’s the time – this final explanation that Harry gives him where he lays out all he details about how Voldemort will probably come and torture them and try and get information about Harry’s whereabouts. It’s finally like the nail in the coffin for Vernon to decide, “Okay, time to really get out of here. This is serious.”

Andy: It’s sort of like the two worlds coming together, really.

Andrew: Yeah. And it runs parallel even to Book 1. I mean, we talked about parallels and how it’s all symmetrical, how 1 can relate to 7, 2 to 6, 3 to 4, and 5 sort of parallel somewhere in there. You know, the Dursleys had to leave early on in the Sorcerer’s Stone. Now, in the final book, they have to leave again, but this time we don’t follow them and we don’t see them again, so it’s just another example of parallel in the series. Anyway, moving along.

Would Harry Save The Dursleys?

Micah: I guess we could – oh, well, we’ll just jump down and then we’ll go back. But during the conversation with Vernon, there’s a point where, you know, like you said they were talking about Voldemort and possibly him coming and torturing them to get Harry’s whereabouts. And there’s that moment in between the two of them where Vernon and Harry are wondering the same thing: would Harry actually come back to save the Dursleys if for any reason they got in danger?

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And I’ve always wondered that. And I think it would make a really interesting movie scene because you kind of have that interaction between – and I hope they keep it in because it’s kind of important, you know? It’s…

Andrew: Is it though? I mean – they always go for things that advance the plot, and that’s not really going to advance the plot.

Micah: You don’t think so? Well, I mean, you’re right. It’s not going to do anything to the plot because they don’t come back later in the movie. But I don’t know, I think it would be kind of interesting to see the interaction between…

Andrew: Yeah, probably. Vernon would probably give him like the big eye and the long stare that we’ve seen in Chamber of Secrets when he’s sort of looking upstairs all angry, trying to wonder what the hell is going on up there with Dobby.

Micah: Right.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: I think he would though. I mean what do you guys think?

Andrew: Oh, Absolutely. Yeah, yeah – they’re family. I mean that’s his mother’s sister, and his cousin, and especially after this departure. Harry left the Dursleys on an okay note. I mean it wasn’t a rude departure like some of the past books have been, so I think that would be even another reason for Harry to come back and be like, “Okay, I got to save these guys. They’re my family.”

Matt: It’s probably just not the closure that everyone was intending for.

Andrew: What do you think everyone was intending?

Matt: That’s why.

Matt: Oh, probably like Petunia would fire her arms around Harry and say goodbye or something.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: Or tell him something about his mother like she actually did love her sister. Which we kind of figured out at the end of Book 7 when we did the flash back.

Andrew: Right. Yeah, and we’ll talk about that at the end of this Top Five because we want to touch on where in this chapter where Petunia wants to say something to Harry, but she leaves. Go ahead.

Hestia and Dedalus

Micah: No, I was just going to continue on talking about when Dedalus Diggle and Hestia Jones show up to escort the Dursleys. It’s a lot of the same. It’s a lot of what we’ve seen before. Typical, you know, Dursley fashion of Vernon referring to both of them as “Harry’s lot” and that kind of thing. Just him being ignorant. Even though, Andrew, you were talking about before how this was supposed to be more of an emotional chapter. And he’s supposed to maybe be showing a little bit more compassion and really there are a lot of things that take place when those two were there that kind of show that in fact, Vernon’s the same old person after all.

Andrew: Oh yeah, and I think with tempers running high, especially in Vernon’s case, I think Vernon was looking for any excuse to get angry with these two random wizards suddenly coming into his house. Even though he knew they were going to arrive.

Micah: Right, and I think they were kind of taken a little aback when – I forget who it was that said it, but they refer to the Dursleys as “Harry Potter’s relatives,” as opposed to Harry sort of being a possession of the Dursleys, which he has been for so long. I guess they were almost insulted that they were referred to as something like that. Did you guys get the same thing?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Vernon’s Attempted Handshake

Micah: And we talked about Vernon’s attempted handshake, how he kind of went for it but then backed off. I thought that was a little bit messed up.

Matt: That’s pretty… But I thought that was pretty much as good as you were going to get from him.

Andrew: Yeah. It’s just like – I don’t know, you’re letting go of your nephew for the last time don’t – can’t – why not? Why not? And it seemed like nothing was going wrong as of late. Vernon has always been a little angry at him. I just don’t understand why…

Matt: Mhm. Maybe when he reached out his hand to start giving him a handshake, and all of the sudden he just started feeling really weird about it and just stopped.

Andrew: Yeah, because there’s always that awkward feeling you have with – maybe a family member you’ve been angry with or a friend and you don’t want to be nice to them to give them the wrong impression. [laughs]


Andrew: I speak from experience.

Micah: I was going to just ask that.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: Not really, actually.

Matt: Or a high-five.

Andrew: Or a high-five.

The Dursleys Don’t Appreciate Harry

Micah: I mean, more of the same. Hestia Jones was shocked that the Dursleys don’t appreciate who Harry is.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: She seems taken aback by the whole fact. I think we’ve seen that happen at other points in the course of the series, where wizards who have come to the Dursley home, or even Hagrid in Sorcerer’s Stone when he finds out that Harry doesn’t know anything about his parents. It’s more of the same I guess. And then…

Andrew: That’s just an example of how these two wizards are coming in from the wizarding world and just walk into this muggle house, and they have no idea how the Dursleys act towards each other or towards Harry. So, I think there’s a reasonable excuse for them flipping out like they did. Just over Petunia when she consoled Dudley and not Harry.

Matt: I thought that was hilarious, I hope they put that in the movie. Because that’s going to be a funny scene.

Will This Make The Movie?

Andrew: Yeah, I wonder if this whole scene – maybe at the end of each chapter we should discuss if it’s all going to be kept in or not. That could be interesting to talk about too.

Micah: Right.

Matt: I’m afraid this may be cut really short if kept in at all.

Andy: Yeah, I reckon this is cuttable.

Andrew: Oh, I thought…

Matt: Technically it’s not really connected to the main plot of the story.

Andrew: Right. They cut it down so much; I mean the whole ending battle is going to have to take up half an hour alone!

Matt: Yeah, I’m afraid this chapter might be cut.

Andrew: Yeah, I mean they got cut from Order of the Phoenix and probably from Half-Blood Prince I don’t know, I know they haven’t been officially confirmed for being on board with the movie.

Matt: I think they may have put that in Half-Blood Prince just because it’s a weird place to start right after that scene in the movie.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Andy: If you think back to the fourth movie there’s that sort of comical scene with the fireplace and they just got rid of that completely.

Andrew: Right. Oh, I loved that scene. I loved that scene, that scene was so good.

Matt: Mhm. Yeah, it was. Just wait another 80 years for the re-make.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Yeah, anyway, moving onto point three now?

Dudley’s Reaction to Leaving Harry

Micah: Sure, I mean we’ve basically spent the first half talking about Uncle Vernon and we haven’t focused on anybody else. So I guess let’s talk about Dudley in this chapter because he’s really the one that shows the compassion. Nobody else does, so – I mean what do you guys think? He is the one who ultimately makes the decision to go with the Order. And Harry knows that since it’s him that’s making the decision, they’re going to be safe and they’re going to go because whatever Dudley says goes.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: And…

Andrew: You know, first I was really surprised by this scene and now thinking back on it – I think I even talked about it on our initial reaction show – I was just like, “What is this? This came out of nowhere. Why is Dudley suddenly like this?” But now realize in the grand scheme of things and the whole theme of this book, it’s just a big,nice good-bye from everyone. I think it was nice that it ended on this note.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: With Dudley finally realizing, finally being the person he should be, finally respecting Harry for who he is. Like we said – the tea cup. Dudley, maybe… Did it say in the book if he left it every morning? Or was it just that morning?

Matt: I don’t think so.

Andrew: Maybe it was just that morning because Dudley knew they were coming close to the end. But Dudley’s reaction is just amazing! He says, “Where’s he going to go? Why isn’t he coming with us?” And those were obvious questions, but it made me think that Dudley just wanted to stall, to sort of, maybe not to spend more time with Harry, but maybe try to convince or try to talk him into coming with him or something. Maybe it was just that Dudley felt safer with Harry by their side.

Micah: It’s possible.

Matt: Maybe, yeah. I mean you don’t really know much about him in Book 6. This could have been two years of soul searching or he may have realized that Harry is pretty good and he is a pretty good guy to be around or something.

Andrew: Yeah. Respect him, Dudley!

Matt: I know! The dude saved his life.

Micah: True.

Andrew: R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

Matt: Or, his soul. Sorry. His soul.

Micah: And plus, he’s lived with them for 17 years, or about that. I mean when you live with somebody for that long a period of time – plus they’re family, regardless – there’s still going to be some sort of connection between the two of them.

Matt: And that’s really nice to know that Harry has an actual relative that he’s friends with.

Andrew: Yeah, he could be friends with, exactly.

Matt: Or, at least be acquainted with.

Andrew: Right. That’s his only relative who is a friend, if you think about it.

Matt: On good terms with.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. I would consider them friends.

Matt: I don’t know. They’re family. You can’t be friends with your family.

Andrew: Yeah… Well, you can not like your cousins. Or you can like your cousins. Or be good friends with them.

Matt: Let’s just say they have a mutual attraction.

Andrew: Okay.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: That’s a good way to put it. In a mature way. In a mature way.

Matt: Oh, yes.

Andrew: Let’s see – what else? Oh, Dudley said – this was my favorite line in the chapter. Dudley does not think Harry is “a waste of space.” That was the most surprising thing to me when he first said it. I was like, “What? Do you really believe that?” Then Dudley explains. I think Dudley was feeling all of this – is it fair to say that Dudley was feeling emotion in this chapter? Maybe Vernon wasn’t but Dudley was?

Andy: I guess so, yeah.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Because Dudley was sort of, like I said – I sort of felt he was stalling or he was trying to get something more out of Harry, but you could tell Dudley was sad to see him go. He wanted Harry to come with. And he’s a friend of Harry’s and he loves him for saving his life.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: If you absolutely hate someone and then they save your life out of the kindness of their heart, even if they were the only one who knew how to or even if they were just there, you still love the person. You still have to give them a lot of respect.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: And I think at that point in time, Dudley realized that wizards can do cool things – powerful things that can change lives.

Matt: Mhm. Well not only that but – I mean – Dudley and Harry have lived in the same house their entire lives, and probably Dudley was afraid that this will be the last time he’ll ever see him.

Andrew: Right. Yeah.

Matt: And he’s – I mean – no matter how many times he kicked him or made fun of him or treated him poorly.

Andrew: Well, it’s all water under the bridge. Water under the bridge.

Matt: Yeah! And, you know, the fact that he probably will never see him again is probably not something that he likes to face.

Andrew: Right. You would get that feeling with any family member, I think. That’s a hard thing to comprehend.

Matt: Yeah. Because he’s his cousin.

Andrew: Yeah. I mean, any friend or family member, as long as you have some sort of connection to them. And when you realize you’re never going to see them? That’s sad!

Matt: Well, aren’t they the only relatives of their generation in their family? Does Dudley have any other cousins?

Andrew: I don’t think, not that we know of. You know, they’re not blessed like us. We have the wonders of iChat and Macs! What do they have? They can’t video chat with each other.

Matt: They have iChat?

Andrew: No, they don’t.

Matt: Oh, they don’t? I’m talking about Macs.

Andrew: Macs have iChat but wizards don’t have Macs, so they don’t have iChat.

Matt: Oh. Yeah, but they have Floo powder!

Andrew: A can’t equal B and B can’t equal C. A can’t equal C.

Matt: They can Apparate.

Andrew: This has been the “Matt and Andrew” show. Woah! Back to you Micah and Andy!

[Micah and Andy laugh]

[Awkward silence]

[Everybody bursts out laughing]

Micah: We don’t even know what to say anymore.

Andrew: I know.

Micah: We’re just so floored by that discussion.

Andrew: Well it started good. [laughs]

Matt: It was pretty sweet.

MuggleCast 123 Transcript (continued)

The Dementor Attack

Andrew: Was it the dementor attack that caused Dudley to act this way? Yes, right?

Micah: Yeah, sure. I think it would cause him to act that way. I mean, what else would? In all actuality, and I know we’ll talk about it in a minute with what J.K. Rowling said Dudley saw when he was attacked by the Dementors, but I think that that probably had the biggest effect on him and that probably caused his change. I mean Matt said before that we really didn’t see much of Dudley interacting with Harry in Book 6. So, he had a lot of time to think about what happened. I think in that time he probably realized the past treatment of him – of how he treated Harry was wrong. And it’s probably why we saw a different thing in this chapter in Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Andy: Well, like…

Andrew: But I mean – go ahead!

Andy: No, you go ahead.

Andrew: No, no, you! I insist.

Andy: All right. I was just going to say that I guess the dementor attack is the thing that made the whole thing really real. It was the first interaction that Dudley had between Harry’s world.

Andrew: That’s a good point.

Andy: It was real fear, not just talk. If that makes sense.

Do The Dursleys Know The Risk?

Andrew: Yeah, I think so. And I mean – but it’s so like – you know, you’re still losing your family member. As much as you may have despised them. And, you know, Petunia, as we’re going to get to in a minute, and Vernon, they’re all sort of weary about it. They weren’t too sure what to think, I think.

Andy: Do you…

Andrew: But…

Andy: Do you think they know there’s a possibility Harry’s going to die? Like a real possibility?

Micah: I think…

Andrew: Ummm…

Micah: …they might.

Andy: I wonder if that dawns on them.

Micah: I think Petunia does. Yeah. Maybe not the other two…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: …as much.

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: And I don’t think – quite honestly, I don’t think that Vernon would care. I really don’t.

Andy: True.

Micah: I don’t really think he would. You know, he’s more concerned – like, even the stuff that he talks about in this chapter, you know, “Oh what is he going to do as far as a job? What is Dudley going to do as far as school is concerned when they go to another place?” I don’t think – despite this argument that it’s still family, I don’t think Vernon really gives a rat’s you-know-what about…

Andrew: Behind!

Micah: …Harry. Yeah. Exactly. I don’t think he cares about Harry. Maybe a little bit, but not enough to care where he’s going, or what he’s going to be doing.

Andrew: Yeah.

Matt: So, you don’t think he genuinely just deep down loves him, like you would a family member? Because like, everyone loves their family. You may not like a member of your family but you still might love them.

Andrew: Right. Especially one that you live with.

Matt: Who saved your life.

Andrew: Who is close to you.

Micah: Well, no, I’m talking about Vernon.

Matt: Who…

Andrew: Oh.

Micah: I mean, technically…

Matt: Oh.

Micah: …he is saving his life.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Nevermind.

Andy: Does Vernon really ever see Harry as family?

Micah: No.

Andy: When it boils down to it?

Micah: Yeah, I don’t think so.

Andrew: Hmmmm.

Matt: Oh, I don’t think so.

Andrew: Yeah. He – yeah – he doesn’t give a rat’s behind and he’s just a pain in the butt. I mean think of all this – like when I was reading this chapter and, you know, they were telling Vernon what was going to happen, you know, how they were going to transport them, does Vernon really want to deal with that? I mean, I would be so ticked. I would be like, “Why did I take this guy in? Why didn’t I just leave him on a doorstep? Why did I bring him in? And now I had to deal with all this for so many years now.”

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: You know…


Matt: I think – I think Harry’s situation was mainly die to Petunia. Because, I’m thinking that the night that they took him in, there was probably a quarrel between Petunia and Vernon. And she probably won that saying “he stays.”

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Andy: If you remember…

Matt: Because she’s the one who said he stays in Book 5.

Andrew: Right.

Andy: Yea,h that’s what I was just going to say. If you remember in Book 5, Vernon told Harry to get out. So…

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, good point.

Matt: She may be the one who has the upper hand in the family, probably, you know?

Andrew: Oh, she’s definitely the dominant person…

Matt: Yeah, she’s…

Andrew: …in the relationship.

Matt: …the alpha…

Andrew: Female.

Matt: …lady. Yeah. Thingy.

Andrew: [laughs] Chick, gal.

Micah: She uses the whip.

J.K. Rowling on the Dementor Attack

Andrew: Now back to something that Micah did bring up earlier, what did Dudley see when he was attacked, and J.K. Rowling addressed this, she said: “I think that when Dudley was attacked by the dementors he saw himself for the first time as he really was. This was an extremely painful but ultimately salutatory lesson, and began the transformation in him.”

Matt: There you go.

Andrew: You know, whenever people have a – have a near death experience, it seems like that’s when they realize, you know, their place in the world. And that’s exactly what it was for Dudley. That was a near, near-death experience. I mean, you always hear those stories about people who are this close to death and then they, you know, survive and then they see the light.

Andy: You value your life more once you know it’s nearly taken away from you.

Andrew: Right, yeah, and especially the people who save you.

Micah: This, and I know Andy kind of touched on it before, but I think this made also everything real for Dudley. You know, the magical world up until this point, you know, the people he encountered weren’t necessarily negative people. But I think this kind of put everything into perspective for him.

Andy: Right.

Matt: Yeah.

Andy: Yeah.

J.K. Rowling on Petunia’s Parting Words

Andrew: And lastly, the final point we wanted to bring up today. Petunia wanted to say something to Harry before she left. She paused as she was walking out, she turned around, and she opened her mouth a couple of times, but then decided not to say something. And J.K. Rowling is quoted as saying: “I think that for one moment, she trembled on the verge of wishing Harry luck; that she almost acknowledged that her loathing of this, of his world, and of him, was born out of jealousy.”

Andy: Yeah.

Andrew: Since Jo didn’t realize they said earlier that Petunia wanted to go to Wizarding School.

Andy: Because we find that out later in the novel.

Andrew: Right. And… [sighs] You know, from Petunia I could’ve expected maybe a hug, because that’s the last part of…

Matt: Or just a pat on the back, even.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, or a wink.

Matt: A wink and a smile.

Andrew: Yeah, it was the last part of her family, of Lily. That was the last part of Lily, and then she just lets him go without saying a thing.

Andy: It’s a bit harsh.

Andrew: It is.

Andy: Doesn’t she have any sort of motherly feeling?

Andrew: Exactly, yeah. We did get a few listener e-mails this week, but now that we look back on it we actually did cover them all in all of this discussion. One came from Brittney, 13 of Las Vegas, one came from Robert Andereg, 17 of Odessa, Texas, and the last one came from Emily and Ashley, 16 of Missouri. So, thanks to them for e-mailing in, but we answered your question today. And thanks to everyone who’s been e-mailing in. Lots of feedback about this segment, and about future chapters, you know, so we have some extra things to talk about.

Quote Quiz

Andrew: Let’s get now to Quote Quiz [echoes “quiz”], or quote quote quiz quiz [echoes]. Do you guys get it? It’s like an echo, like we’re in a tunnel or something.

[Everyone laughs]

Matt: Oooh!

Andrew: I just cup my mouth when I go, “quote quiz quiz quiz.” I’m actually going to go into a tunnel and record that someday, it’ll be – it’ll sound pretty cool. This quote comes from Chapter 4, The Seven Potters. The quote is is is [echoes]: “Hold on, Harry, this’ll do for ’em.” “Hold on, Harry, this’ll do for ’em.” Who said that quote? And who was he talking to? [laughs]

Micah: What do you mean who was he talking to? [laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] I know, it’s a joke, Micah, thank you. Anyway, next week we will be discussing The Seven Potters. It’s the chapter where Harry takes his big journey to safety. I think that was such a clever plan, I just loved reading that because it was so clever. It was so Jo.

Matt: It was fun. I’m really scared for that scene in the movie, though. They’re going to butcher it.

Andrew: Oh, oh! Heck yeah. Hedwig’s not even going to die.

Matt: [laughs] Just going to reprieve her character.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: In the distance, you’re just going to see like a cloud of feathers, just like burst in the air.

Andrew: Right.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, very small special effects in the background, just so they can keep it in. It’s going to be like five frames long. Nobody will notice, but then when everyone complains, WB will be like, “It was there. It was short but it was there.”

Matt: Just like – what was that character? Dobby? in Book 4, Movie 4.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: The camel-elf, or whatever it was.

Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul: Foreign Edition

Andrew: It’s time now for Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul: Foreign Edition!

Micah: Chicken Soup comes from Javed Mohammed, 21, of Trinidad and Tobago. He says:

“Hey, MuggleCasters, I’m probably the only Trinidadian listener you have, but then again I may be wrong. Anyway, I’d like to thank you all for the great job that you all are doing. The MuggleCast podcast has really opened up my eyes to the finer details of the Harry Potter series that I would have just skimmed across even if I had read them multiple times. The podcast has really made me appreciate the Harry Potter series much more, and I find myself telling others who read the books to listen to you guys (and gal) to get a deeper understanding of the books. Again, I would like to thank you all for the stupendous effort you place into this podcast, and keep up the good work, for it’s well appreciated worldwide.”

Andrew: I hate to burst your bubble, but you are not the only listener from Trinidad. I’m just searching my e-mail right now and it looks like there are maybe four other people.

Matt: It was still a heartwarming message, Andrew.

Andrew: Yeah, no, no, no, no! It was a very nice message, yeah, thank you for sending that in. I’m just saying there are a few listeners – we have listeners everywhere, it’s awesome! Can you guys believe you’re talking to people in Trinidad right now?

Andy: And Tobago.

Matt: Actually, yeah.

Andrew: And Tobago, and Germany, and Sweden, and Portugal, and Hawaii, and Pennsylvania.

Matt: [sarcastically] No!

Micah: Brazil.

Andrew: It’s amazing.

Micah: Don’t we have a lot of people from Brazil?

Andrew: Uh.. yeah.

Micah: I remember that for some reason. I don’t really know where I heard that from.

Andrew: Brazil, Australia. We got a big audience in, ummm – yeah, Germany.

Micah: Do we still get numbers and stuff from different countries, or no?

Top Countries That Listen to MuggleCast

Andrew: Yeah, we have statistics. Let’s see, I’m looking up the top
countries right now. We’ll go through them real quick for kicks.

Andy: Sweet!

Andrew: Number one, United States. Number two, Canada. Number three,
United Kingdom. Number four, Australia. Number five, Germany. Number six, Mexico. Number seven, Norway. Eight, India. Nine, [pronounces “swee-dee-an”] Sweden. [laughs] Sweden. Ten, China. Eleven, New Zealand. Netherlands. Ireland. Japan. Philippines. France. Singapore. Brazil. Denmark. And other countries. That’s the order.

Micah: That’s pretty cool.

Andy: Sweet.

Matt: Sweet.

Andrew: Yeah, people from everywhere! We should promote that – that survey link. Because that’s how we got those statistics and we haven’t had that link up for over a year. So, that’s probably very outdated. But it probably still follows the same pattern.

Contact Information

Andrew: Anyway, I think that just about does it for this week’s episode of MuggleCast, Episode 123. It’s time to remind everyone about our contact

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Show Close

Andrew: I want to say next week will be our DVD review show! [echoes] So, e-mail in your…

[Micah laughs]

Matt: Oh!

Andrew: What?

Matt: What DVD?

Andrew: The Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix two-disc DVD is coming out next week! A month after Australia and England got it.

[Matt laughs]

Andy: Ridiculous!

Andrew: Matt, will you be getting it?

Andrew: I know. It is.

Matt: Huh?

Andrew: Matt, will you be purchasing it on Tuesday, December 11th?

Matt: I may be – no.

Andrew: Really?

Matt: I don’t know. Maybe. It’s worth a shot.

Andrew: Okay, well we have a review show and if you want to be on it you’ve got to watch the DVD! How about you, Micah?

Micah: Yeah. Hopefully I get the deluxe edition this time because last time for Goblet of Fire I got the wrong one. So…

Matt: Oooh!

Andrew: Yeah. Hopefully you don’t delay seeing it or buying it for two months.

Matt: I think doing that the thing they did with the Goblet of Fire DVD. Like they have the one disc that just has nothing.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: Who buys that?

Andrew: I know. Who does buy that? And it’s like a five-dollar price difference, too, it’s amazing.

Matt: I know.

Andrew: I remember when I bought Sorcerer’s Stone, I bought it on VHS.

Andy: Oh, so did I.

Andrew: I was like, “Wow, check out my…”

Matt: Wow!

Andy: I had to go replace it the other day. It wrecked my collection.

Andrew: Really? Did you buy a DVD?

Andy: Like one fat one. Because I’ve got like four DVDs and then this one fat box thing. Doesn’t look good.

Andrew: Oh, yeah. I know. I remember the deleted scenes were at the end of it, too, so you had to fast forward past the credits.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: Like, “Wow, this is cool!”

Andy: [imitating a commentator] Wait until the end of this feature
presentation for a bonus scene!

Andrew: Yeah, exactly. They said it in that voice, too.

Micah: Yeah, that was actually pretty good.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: So, anyway. We will be reviewing the DVD next week. We might take a break from Chapter-by-Chapter unless we just make it a really long show. I’d rather lean toward skipping Chapter-by-Chapter for one week.

Micah: And one more thing.

Andrew: But…

Micah: Can I just…

Andrew: Well, hold on, let me finish this thought.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: Send in any feedback you have about the DVD to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com so we can read your feedback about it.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: You know, comment about the special features, all that. I’m sure most of you will be getting it Tuesday, as will we, then we’ll review it later in the week and put the show our over the weekend.

Matt: Yay!

Micah: All right, I just want to say that we get probably close to about 5 or 10 e-mails every single week asking about older episodes.

Andrew: Yes.

Micah: And how people are new to the show and they can’t find older episodes. There’s an Episodes Section on MuggleCast.com.

[Matt laughs]

Micah: You can directly download all of our older episodes, so please go there to find them. We know that they don’t show up in iTunes. That’s because our feed is not big enough to house all the episodes.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So, if you want older episodes of MuggleCast, go to the Episodes Section on MuggleCast.com.

Andrew: Yeah, the thing with the feed is that if you put too many episodes on it, the file gets too big and when every single person using iTunes is
checking that feed – iTunes checks the feed like every hour or so, so when you have, like, 50,000 people checking that feed every hour, that can run up a lot of bandwidth. So, we keep the file size smaller so that way we don’t have to, you know, worry about a lot of bandwidth being taken up.

So that does it for this week’s show. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Matt: I am Matt Britton.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

Andrew: Andy and Matt, thank you for joining us this week. We will see everyone next week for Episode 124. Bye bye!

Blooper 1

Andrew: Matt, I think Jonathan Malfoy, 12, of Nashville, would beg to differ, though.

Matt: Oh, really?

Andrew: Because he says in our next e-mail, “I would like to inform you that I will not be listening…” Oh, wait.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Did someone – wait…

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: I put an e-mail in here about – Micah, did you take it out?

Micah: No. I don’t even know where this e-mail came from.

Andrew: I am absolutely positive I put an e-mail in here from a guy listener that reads Twilight. Hold on one second. I starred it in my Gmail.

Blooper 2

Matt: I know.

Micah: Yeah, because I don’t act immature…

Matt: You’re an adult now.

Micah: …ever on the show. So, I’m – yeah. I can’t talk. But…

Matt: You’re not that 17-year-old kid whose voice breaks every two seconds now, Andrew. You’re now an 18-year-old man whose voice cracks.

[Phone rings]

Andrew: [gasps] Whose phone is that?

Matt: Cruz, your phone! Get it!

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: [laughs] We haven’t had a phone ring for like over one hundred episodes! We were on a roll! What happened?!


Episode 123: Anger

  • Where are the other co-hosts?!
  • We discuss the Golden Compass and its controversy.
  • MTV’s list of Wizard Rock bands is unfair and inaccurate.
  • Happy Birthday Jamie!
  • Next week we’ll be talking about the OOTP DVD – send in your thoughts!
  • MuggleMail covers last week’s Chapter by Chapter discussion.
  • This week we talk about Chapter 3 of Deathly Hallows.
  • What were the Dursley’s feeling when they left Harry?
  • Would Harry come back to save them?
  • Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast soul.
  • We reminisce over the old Sorcerer’s Stone VHS tape.
  • Bloopers.
  • This week’s episode brought to you by Audible.com.

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Transcript 122

MuggleCast 122 Transcript

Show Intro

[Soft music plays]

Andrew: Hi, everyone. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: And I’m Laura Thompson. We’re both from MuggleCast, one of the Top Harry Potter podcasts online.

Andrew: As most of you may know, December 5th is Darfur Fast. On the day, thousands of students from all over the world give up luxury items like Starbucks drinks or something else that they get in their daily lives.

Laura: The situation in the Darfur region of Sudan is nothing short of disgusting. Millions have been driven from their homes into refugee camps, and even more have been killed in the mass genocide of the region.

Andrew: Darfur Fast is organized by the HP Alliance, a coalition of Harry Potter websites and wizard rock bands concerned with ending the genocide in Darfur. MuggleCast wants to help out. So, Laura and I are going to participate in Darfur Fast.

Laura: On December 5th, I will be giving up a Netflix movie subscription for the month of December. This will save 25 dollars and go to charity.

Andrew: And I, myself, am a huge Chick-Fil-A fan. I’ll be giving up the meals for a week, which in my school, also adds up to 25 dollars.

Laura: Together that 50 dollar donation will go to the civilian protection program, but we need your help.

Andrew: Visit TheHPAlliance.org/DarfurFast – all one word – and make a donation today.

Andrew and Laura: Thanks!

[Music changes]

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[Music changes]

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[Show music starts]

Micah: Because Laura is all about positioning, this is MuggleCast, Episode 122 for December 2nd, 2007.

[Intro music continues playing]

Andrew: Guess what? Chapter-by-chapter was met with reviews that weren’t negative, everyone.

Laura: Yeah. That’s so good.

Andrew: And I’m just going to go right out there and say Laura was not a fan of bringing it back.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: Not a fan.

Laura: Okay, I wasn’t. Because of the reaction that it got last time. But, I think that it sounds like you guys really changed it up. So, I’ll be the first to step up and say I was wrong. I’m humble. I think that…

Andrew: So you were wrong and you were late.

Laura: I – okay…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Excuse me. For the past two years of my life…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …I can’t count the amount of times I’ve had to sit around and wait for all of you.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: So, because I was out being social on Friday.

[Andrew makes cat noise]

Laura: t’s not even 8:00 yet. So get over it.

Andrew: Okay, the night is young. I don’t go out until 1:00 AM every night. I’m out until, like, 8:00 in the morning Saturday.

Matt: Where do you…

Micah: And by out, you mean falling asleep.

Andrew: No.

Matt: No, where do you go?

Andrew: I go out. I go to parties.

Laura: Right.

Andrew: Wait…

Matt: You don’t know anybody.

Andrew: Wait, who are you mystery voice?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Joining us this week, besides Andy. Hey, Andy.

Andy: Hey.

Andrew: Is Matt Britton, a MuggleCast transcriber, who’s not going to talk much, because the more he talks the more he has to transcribe. So…

Matt: Oh, that’s right.

Andrew: You’re not going to… [laughs] You’re not going to hear from him much. Matt, where are you from?

Matt: I’m from San Diego, California.

Andrew: That’s not where you’re from, though. That’s just where you are.

Matt: I swear I’m going to – okay, what do you want me to say?

Andrew: Never mind. That’s okay. So everyone, we’ve got a good show for everyone today. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: I’m Andy McCray.

Matt: And I’m Matt Britton.

[Show music continues to play]


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. According to an article in USA Today, Quidditch is the latest sport being played in colleges across the US. The first intercollegiate match was held earlier this month. One student from Middlebury College in Vermont said:

“Quidditch is one of the most creative things that came out of the books. We were able to create that here, follow all the rules, except the ability to fly. It just caught on.”

In order to make the game work, the Snitch is replaced by a young man, who runs around the pitch at “lightning speed” and, although the players obviously lack the ability to fly, brooms are still carried around for show; these in fact have been supplied by Alivan’s, MuggleNet’s primary sponsor. This modified version of the sport has been described as a cross between rugby, dodge ball and soccer.

On December the 13th, The Tales of Beedle the Bard, a book written by J.K. Rowling for The Children’s Voice charity, will be auctioned off by Sotheby’s.

And speaking of the Harry Potter author, the Trefoil House has received a signed copy of Deathly Hallows for auction. The book will be raffled as part of the annual Christmas Bonanza, an event where people can come and buy presents they would not normally find in mainstream shops. The event is being held at the Edinburgh Corn Exchange on December 4th and 5th.

Finally, Entertainment Weekly has placed Harry Potter film producer David Heyman at number nine on a list of the 50 smartest people in Hollywood. The article read:

“He has expertly steered the highest-grossing global franchise in film history. Heyman secured the rights to the Harry Potter books in 1997 and has done just about everything right since, including bonding with author J.K. Rowling and wisely seeking her input. He helped find unexpected directors , Alfonso Cuarón and David Yates, who’ve kept things fresh. And he’s kept the cast intact through five films, without any of his three teenage stars succumbing to a Lohanesque episode. While Warner Bros. president, Alan Horn, deserves credit for making the correct macro decisions, the franchise’s success rests on a thousand micro choices Heyman made, including creating a world on set and on screen where people want to be.”

That’s all the news for this December 2nd, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Alright, thank you Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome.

Andrew: Micah, it was a slow news week.

Micah: It was. We keep rotating back and forth. We get big news weeks and then it dies down for a long period of time.

Andrew: It’s like a see-saw.

Micah: It is like a see-saw.

Laura: What?

Andrew: Yeah. Today we were on the ground. We were on the lower part of the see-saw. We’re the bigger kid this week on the see-saw.

Laura: Okay?

Andrew: We’re that bully. Okay, never mind. That’s enough.

Laura: No, you fail.

News Discussion: Tales of Beedle the Bard

Andrew: I just want to bring up Tales of Beedle the Bard. It was displayed, it was on display on Good Morning, America, ABC’s morning news program, and there’s a video online courtesy of HPANA. And basically, they actually have a copy of the book, and it looks thick. Have you guys seen this video?

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

Andy: It looks awesome.

Laura: Yeah, it really does.

Andrew: Yeah, it – yeah. It was funny, all the hosts were holding gloves because I guess Sotheby’s – that’s how you pronounce it, right, Sotheby’s?

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: They were, you know, their guys were probably off-stage being like, “Be really careful with this,” but they were all holding gloves and they were going through the book. It looks fantastic though, you just want to get your hands on it.

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: But you won’t.

Andrew: Unless you have like $100,000. But do you know what I did last week?

Laura: What?

Andrew: I ordered a catalogue for the Tales of Beedle the Bard catalog direct from Sotheby’s, and what it has inside of it – I got it a couple days ago – what it has inside of it is lots of artistic pictures of the book, and it’s really cool because it has the intro page that Jo wrote. It’s sort of a message to the buyer and it says at the end, “So, to whoever now owns this book, thank you and fair fortune be yours.” And then if you just picture the rest of this book, I mean, it’s has a beautiful picture of Jo, and it’s really well done. It’s like, the cover is imprinted. You know how like, Goosebumps when you rub your finger up against the title?

Laura: Right.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: You can like feel the title? Yeah, it’s like that, and just a cool little catalogue. You guys should buy it, it’s $19.95 or something like that, and the proceeds go to charity.

Matt: The drawings are really nice. J.K. Rowling is a pretty good artist.

Andrew: Isn’t she? Yeah. And to think that she actually hand drew seven of these along with writing the story.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew:I mean, it’s crazy. And then it’s going to be bound by a separate company, and there’s a picture in this catalogue of the craftsman making the covers for these books, but, just fantastic. And yeah, Matt, the art is really nice.

News Discussion: Happy Anniversary

Andrew: There is some big news this week that wasn’t posted on MuggleNet or really anywhere else, Happy two year anniversary to the MCFCKYJQXY*&?C.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s the MuggleCastFan chat cast. I’m just kidding, it’s actually just MCFCKYQ. It actually started as a podcast that was about this podcast.

Laura: No, wasn’t it about a chat room? It was a podcast about a chat room about a podcast, wasn’t that it? Something like that?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah, basically.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It was just kind of like a little fan community podcast. It was pretty cool, I think even a couple of us were on. I think Jamie and I were on their show for an interview like, a year-and-a-half ago. I think Eric might have been too, I’m not sure. We just wanted to say Happy Two Year Anniversary to them.

News Discussion: David Heyman

Micah: Well I just thought I’d bring up that David Heyman was named the ninth smartest person in Hollywood by Entertainment Weekly. And I thought that was kind of cool. I mean, he’s ranking up there with some high individuals, including Steven Spielberg who comes in at number two. Number one is actually, let’s see here, Judd Apatow.

Andrew: Really?

Micah: He directed 40 Year-Old Virgin and as well as Superbad.

Andrew: Do you know this guy, Matt? I’ve never heard of him.

Matt: Yeah, he’s the guy that did that TV show Freaks and Geeks.

Andrew: Oh. What is that? What show is that?

Matt: Well it was cancelled.

Andrew: [laughs] Oh.

Matt: But it was apparently really good.

Laura: Why is it that I’m failing to see how this guy came in above Heyman?

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: Like, is it just me? I don’t get it.

Matt: Well he came above Steven Spielberg too. He’s number one.

Laura: Yeah. How?

Andy: What was that show called?

Andrew: Freaks and Geeks.

Matt: Yeah, Freaks and Geeks.

Andy: And it was cancelled.

Matt: Yeah, it was cancelled after one season, but it’s become a cult classic. A lot of people love the show.

Andy: Really smart then, isn’t he?

Andrew: Well, Entertainment Weekly says: “Smart becausethis year he didn’t just bring the funny he changed the whole funny business.” Then they go into a whole thing about, you know, explaining that. But, yeah, I mean, you know it is funny we were just talking about this other day about David Heyman. How great of a guy he is to be managing this entire Harry Potter production for the past seven or eight years now.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: I mean, you know, that whole production is a huge thing and he oversees almost all of it.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: And just sticking with it and loving it, you know, he deserves a lot of credit.

Micah: And he has been credited…

Matt: It has aged him terribly.

Micah: Yeah. Probably. [laughs]

Matt: [laughs] Could you just imagine how much sleep he gets?

Andrew: [laughs] And he has got a hot wife.

Laura: I don’t know, I thought he looked like he was – I don’t know. I don’t want to put myself into a weird position here but I thought he looked okay. Like, I do not think he look aged. [laughs]

Andrew: You do not want to put yourself in a weird position, but you think he looks okay.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: I don’t want you guys to be like “Oh you think David Heyman is hot?” Because, well never mind. [laughs]

Matt: We wouldn’t put ourselves in a weird position for him.

Andrew: Yeah, and keep your positioning to yourself, Laura. Please.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: No, shut up. I am not talking to you.

[Everyone laughs]


Andrew: Well, moving on to some announcements now. Today’s podcast is brought to you by Audible.com, the leading provider in spoken word entertainment. Audible has over 3500 titles to choose from to be downloaded and played back anywhere, just like MuggleCast. On the summer road tour the co-hosts and I listened to a few audible books to pass the time. It’s a fantastic listening experience and is a great way to do some reading. Log on to www.audiblepodcast.com/mugglecast to get a free audio book download of your choice when you sign up today. Again, go to www.audiblepodcast.com/mugglecast for your free audio book.

The Wall of Fame that we started, that we opened up a few weeks ago is not complete as we consider it. Go to MuggleCast.com and at the top there is a banner that says “MuggleCast Wall of Fame” and there you will find our favorite episodes and the favorite episodes voted on by the fans. One of the big ones that was voted on by everyone was Episode 59, I think it was. “Time to Talk Time” and when we saw those e-mails I was like “Laura do you remember that?” she was like “Yeah, yeah”, that was a really good episode. We had completely forgotten about that.

Laura: It was, yeah. I had completely forgotten about that. We got into some very circular discussions about that.

Micah: Yeah. Was that the one where Kevin and Jamie kept going back and forth trying to talk about…

Laura: It sounds like something that they would gone back and forth, yeah.

Andrew: Oh!

Micah: …going back in time?

Andrew: Yeah. People say that was a very funny show for such a deep discussion and we pulled off the discussion well. Some other episodes voted on were Episode 20 where we discussed Hermione, Episode fif – no, Episode 59 was “Time to talk Time.” And there’s a few others in that list. And, what’s going to happen from now on is whenever the listeners see an episode that really stands out to you guys, or stands out to us. If it stands out to us we will put it in if we see a lot of good feedback, but whenever the listeners see a good episode and we don’t put it in, if everyone could make a giant Facebook group or one of those online petitions and be like, we think this should be on the Wall of Fame, and, you know, to get our attention and then we will do it, because every episode we can’t have like five or six listeners write in and say, “Yeah, I think that was Wall of Fame worthy.” So, this is basically just a collection for us to look back on and recommend to new listeners if they want to see some of our best work. Laura, what is going on in your home town of Dallas next year?

Laura: Well, as many of you know, the Portus Convention is going on sponsored by HPEF, and we recently found out that we are going.

Andrew: Yea!

Laura: Yea!

[Andy and Laura laugh]

Laura: It’s so exciting.

Andrew: We are going…

Laura: I’m going home everybody!

Andrew: [laughs and sings] I’m goin’ home. Just for the live show, I thought I would bring up that uhhh – what is that song by the American Idol guy?

Laura: I don’t know.

Matthew: Daughtry.

Andrew: Yeah. Chris Daughtry. Thank you. So, Portus 2008, hp2008.org, in Dallas, Texas from July 10th to the 13th. They are doing something called the Podcastpollusa or as I like to call it, the Potter Podcast Palooza at Portus Pickles! This pollusa they are doing is going to be a whole night of podcasting and what is going to happen is we are going to have our own time slot to do our show, and then there is going to be a bunch of podcasts doing their own shows all in one night at that and then at the end it is going to be a big round table of podcasters discussing Harry Potter podcasting, so it is a great idea. It’s going to be a lot of fun. Visit hp2008.org and register up, and we will provide more details as they come along. We don’t know which other podcasts are going to be there yet besides us, but we can say we will be there doing a podcast – I think it is the Friday of Portus, so I think that’s July 11th. So, more news to follow about that, and lastly just a side note. We have some new holiday album art

for Mugglecast. We do that every year, and be sure to check it out, because it’s fun.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Of course.

Micah: Are we going to put up those pictures again, we usually do that every year, the ones by Kelly Egan.

Andrew: Yes, Kelly Egan, put them up Micah.

Micah: Done.

[Everyone laughs]

Muggle Mail: Harry Potter and Other Reading

Andrew: Okay. All right. It’s time to move on to Muggle Mail now. Let’s get to the first email.

Laura: Our first email comes from Desiree, age 17, from San Antonio, TX. She writes:

“Hey guys, I was just listening to Mugglecast 121 and you were discussing Harry Potter and getting kids to read. The series did get me to start reading, and I have since moved on to other series and great authors. But the reason I am writing is because lately there has been a lot of talk about a different series taking the limelight away from Harry. I am talking about the Twilight series by Stephenie Meyer. Many news sources were calling the series ‘the next Harry Potter‘ just because of the amount of fans it has gained in the past two years, and especially when it took Deathly Hallows’s top spot upon release. They are even in pre-production of a movie for the first novel in the series. So I am basically wondering whether you think that a new buzz like this could draw attention attention away from such a huge franchise? I am personally a big fan of both series, but HP will always be my number one since it got me to where I am now. Sorry for the long e-mail, just wondering what you think.”

Andrew: No. No.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t know.

Andrew: No.

Andy: I don’t know. Can I just say that every book series that I’ve heard being called ‘the next Harry Potter,’ and I don’t know, I don’t buy it.

Laura: I mean, I know a lot of people are Twilight fans. I think that it’s definitely, I mean, it’s got huge potential to have the kind of following that Harry Potter has, but I don’t think it’s going to take away from the franchise.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Harry Potter‘s just one of those things that even people who don’t read Harry Potter know what Harry Potter is.

Andrew: Right. And there’s fandoms that are all going to flock to this film. I’m sure there’s a big Twilight following, but nothing like Harry Potter and the Harry Potter fandom is never going to change. They’re not going to be like, oh, forget Harry Potter. We have Twilight now. You know? Because Harry Potter is not dead yet. There’s still a few more exciting things to come.

Matt: Well, but there may be a time when that happens, too. I mean, look what happen to Star Trek with Star Wars. I mean, Star Trek was the big thing, everyone, everybody was a huge fan of Star Trek and then Star Wars came and pretty much blew them out of the water.

Andrew: Realy?

Laura: So, I mean…

Andy: If there’s another wizard book coming, they wouldn’t have to do that, because they’ve got space-ish.

Matt: Well, and they also do have a lot of Star Trek conventions, too, and there’s a whole huge group of people that do that also. So, yeah.

Laura: Yeah, but I mean, if you think about stuff like Lord of the Rings, which had a huge following in its day, and there’s still tons of people who are into it. I mean, their fandom’s not as active as Harry Potter is, but I don’t think that Lord of the Rings lost any fans to Harry Potter when it came out.

Matt: Well, it’s a fantasy genre, also. It’s a huge genre that not one subject can take over.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Well, as far as what Andy brought up with new wizard books, I mean, has Eragon really taken anything away? I mean, I know it’s not exactly the same type of a story, but it hasn’t really taken anything away from Harry Potter, I don’t think, and that’s kind of the next biggest thing I can think of that has come out around the same time.

Andrew: It’s not even as big. Yeah. I don’t even think it’s as big, though. And just a side note, which I think is kind of interesting, for the longest time now, since the first Eragon book came out, it was supposed to be a trilogy, three books.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] Not anymore.

Andrew: Now the author has announced there is going to be a fourth book.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Oh really?

Andrew: I don’t think it is. He wrote up a good reason for why there is going to be a fourth, but all I’m saying is this is just a way to just pull some extra money. Like, I mean, you’re adding a fourth book to the trilogy. It just doesn’t make sense.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: That’s kind of cheap.

Micah: It seems like he had it pretty well set from the beginning.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So, technically, to add another book – I kind of agree with what you are saying.

Laura: Yeah, I know. Just one last note on Twilight, just the impression I’ve gotten, like, I have a couple of friends who read it, and it just seems like something more geared towards girls. I think – I don’t know what kind of affect that will have on it. It seems like Harry Potter would be more widely encompassing fandom, just because it attracts readers of both genders and, like, I doubt that a whole bunch of guys are going to leave Harry Potter for Twilight. So…

Andrew: Can I be honest? I’ve never even heard of Twilight.

Matt: Yeah, what is Twilight?

Micah: Me neither.

Andy: Me neither.

[Laura laughs]

Laura: I believe it’s – I’ve never read it, but it’s a vampire romance novel. I have somebody here that reads it actually.

Muggle Mail: Harris’ Words About McKllen

Andrew: The next e-mail back comes from Lauren,15, of Omaha, Nebraska. She writes:

“Hey, MuggleCast, I was just listening to the recent podcast when I decided to look up what Richard Harris said about Ian McKellen. So here is the exact quote, courtesy of IMDB. ‘No one trusts me anymore. I spent half the movie Maigret arguing with people and I was accused of causing big on-set rows. But what they won‘t tell you is that I was fighting for Simeneon. I fought for the maintenance of quality. I don’t believe in lying down on the job. I’ve seen these so-called ‘nice’ actors. Very able fellows like Ian McKellen and Kenneth Branagh. But they’re like bank managers. So sweet and careful. Who needs them? We’re suffering a plague of good taste. Give me Sean Penn and Mickey Rourke any day. They project danger. That’s what makes acting, and life, interesting.” Brutal words.”

Laura: Yeah. It’s interesting that he mentioned Kenneth Branagh because he played Lockhart in the second film. I wonder what that made the set like.

Andrew: Well, for the record, this could have been said before Harry Potter.

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, like if they got together on set, it must have been like, “So…”

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Jerk.

Andrew: Thank you, jerk. Look whose starring along aside of you now.

Andy: Could you imagine, though, a whole set with a bunch of Sean Penns and Mickey Rourkes? So…

Laura: No.

Andy: Everyone is going to have a black eye, at least.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

MuggleCast 122 Transcript (continued)

Muggle Mail: Amycus Carrow

Micah: The next one comes from Julia, 13, of California, and this one is my mistake from last week:

“Hi there, on Episode 121 you were talking about an untrained Death Eater with a wheezy giggle. I was under the impression that this death eater was Amycus Carrow. This is just what I assumed from the CD’s, because I’m pretty sure this Death Eater had the same voice as Amycus. Love the show. Bye.”

So, that clears up the mystery character…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: I think, Andy, didn’t you say that, though, last week, too?

Andy: Yeah. I said that. So, one to me?

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Oh? Good work. [laughs] Good work, Julia – er, Andy.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Are you saying Julia just copied off of you?

Andrew: Maybe.

Andy: No. I – I think I read it somewhere so I can’t really take credit for it.

[Andy laughs]

Micah: Oh.

Andrew: I think Andy already discussed it on the Harry Potter FanZoneCast.

Micah: Oh.

Andy: Sure did.

Muggle Mail: The Source

Andrew: And the last email today comes from Matthew, 17, of Biloxi, Mississippi, about our Chapter-by-Chapter segment talking about Chapter 1:

“I was listening to Episode 121 and when ya’ll were doing the Chapter by Chapter there was a detail that ya’ll did not address, on top of page four U.S. edition. After Snape gives Voldemort the information on moving Harry and Voldemort using Legilimency on Snape, Voldemort begins the question, ‘Good. Very good. And this information comes–‘ but Snape interrupts with ‘–from the source we discussed.’ I was wondering who this source could possibly be. No way it could be Dumbledore’s portrait because he would have no way of knowing the plans of the Order and it most likely would not go too well with Voldie if Snape was conversing with Dumbledore’s portrait. Just wondering what you guys think. Thanks. Matthew.”

Laura: What I’m wondering is why Andrew doesn’t know how to say “ya’ll.”

Andrew: How do you say it?

Laura: You were sitting there going “ya all.” It’s “ya’ll.”

Andrew: Ya’ll.

Laura: Ya’ll. You’re going to Texas next summer! You need to learn how to say these things!

Matt: Geez. You need to brush up on your colloquialism.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Well, I think I’m – I definitely agree that it’s not Dumbledore’s portrait.

Micah: Well, I thought it was Mundungus. I thought that was the whole point of Harry…

Laura: Yeah…

Micah: Seeing that scene in the end.

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: I – yeah, I agree with Micah. I think that’s what it would have to be. I can’t think of anything else.

Micah: I think the source should be almost in quotation marks because it’s not a real source. It was just Snape sort of taking advantage of Mundungus.

Laura: Yeah. He was using him as a scapegoat.

Matt: Well, didn’t Dumbledore and Snape discuss about this before they – before he died, too? Like, they were going to move him on his birthday? Or something?

Laura: Mhm. Yeah.

Matt: So, so, maybe Snape just interrupted him before he could read his mind and said this before Voldemort found out the truth or something.

Micah: Right.

Matt: Do you…

Micah: But I would still think there would have to be somebody, like, between Snape and Voldemort. The source would have to be an actual person. And I don’t think he would trust Dumbledore. You know?

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Oh, okay.

Chapter-by-Chapter: In Memoriam

Andrew: Yeah. It’s time to move on now to Chapter-by-Chapter. We’re going on to take on Chapter 2 this week, which once you read it, it’s – it’s a very basic chapter. I mean, really all that’s happening here is Harry’s still at the Dursley’s house and he picks up these two newspaper articles with, of course, differing opinions on Dumbledore. So are you guys ready to go?

Laura: Yeahhh.

Micah: Yeah!

Andrew: Let’s do it! Let’s go and do it. Here we go! A few things I want to talk about this week, and we’re going to go by the U.S. page numbers this week. I guess, maybe Andy can translate them if he wants to.

Andy: Yeah, I’ll try and find ’em.

Doge’s Mutual Attraction

Andrew: Okay. First one. Page 16. I’m sorry, but I have to do it.

Laura: Oh boy.

Andrew: In the beginning of the first article, titled “Albus Dumbledore Remembered,” I quote . . .

Andy: 21 in the U.K. edition.

Andrew: Oh, thank you. “I met Albus Dumbledore at the age of 11 on our first day at Hogwarts. [shouts] OUR MUTUAL ATTRACTION was undoubtedly due to the fact that we both felt ourselves to be outsiders.”

Matt: Well, didn’t he have pimples all over his face? Isn’t that why he sees himself as an outsider?

Laura: That’s right, he had dragon pox. Yeah.

Andy: Dragon pox.

Matt: Yeah! Dragon pox!

Andrew: Well, okay, yes. You could say the mutual attraction is not relationship-able – to create a new word, but [laughs] doesn’t this suggest that, that Elph – how do you pronounce her name?

Laura: Elphias? El-fee-us? I don’t know.

Matt: Elf-phias?

Andrew: Elphias. Just call her Elephant.

Laura: You mean him.

Andrew: That Elephant Dog was attracted to Dumbledore in a romantic sort of way?

Laura: Mmmm. I mean, I guess it’s . . .

Matt: Not everybody’s gay.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I guess it’s possible. Not to mention, just because you have a mutual attraction to somebody doesn’t mean that it’s sexual. Like…

Andrew: But Laura, because of recent events I’ve been forced to assume things when I read the word attraction with someone else and Dumbledore.

Matt: [laughs] Geez.

Micah: I thought that Doge was a guy.

Andrew: So, what I’m trying to say here is, we knew all along that Dumbledore was gay. Right from the start of Chapter 2!

Laura: No. We didn’t…

Matt: No we didn’t.

Andrew: Mutual attraction.

Laura: Okay! Friends have mutual attractions.

Andrew: I cannot name one person I’ve had a mutual attraction to.

Matt: God. You find out one character is gay and then the entire wizarding world…

Laura: You have mutual attractions to all of your friends.

Andrew: If I go up to a straight guy right now and I say, “Dude, I’m attracted to you.” He’s going to be like, “Dude, you’re gay.”

Laura: But you wouldn’t say it that way because people like you take it wrong!

Dumbledore and The Mirror of Erised

Andrew: Here’s something we never really discussed after Deathly Hallows came out. Page 21, Harry thinks back to when he asked Dumbledore what did he see when he looked into the mirror. And I thought it would be fun to discuss it now, especially since we know that Dumbledore’s gay.

[Matt laughs]

Andrew: Matt had something when this revelation was first revealed.

Matt: Well, no. That was just the first question I had when you guys told me that Dumbledore was gay. After the two hours of you guys screaming at us in the hotel room. “Oh my god, he’s gay!”

Laura: Well, it took it a while to convince you.

Matt: Well, we didn’t believe you at first. Well, come on, the first thing… Seriously, you were banging on the door, we opened it and you screamed in my face, “HE’S GAY!”

Andrew: Because it was big news! But actually, come to think of it – did we discuss this on the show afterwards?

Laura: I feel like we’ve discussed it.

Micah: I think it came up a little bit.

Laura: Yeah, a little bit but not a lot.

Micah: In Eric’s whole “pig for slaughter” thing.

Laura: “I hate Deathly Hallows” discussion.

Andrew: I mean, now that we’ve seen the back story, I would in all seriousness think he would actually see his family.

Laura: Oh yeah, definitely.

Andrew: Like Harry.

Laura: I think that he would see his family before they were broken. You know, it’s not just seeing them, but it’s seeing them as they were before all this terrible stuff befell them.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: I think Jo actually said that, I’m not sure where though.

Laura: Yeah, yeah. I’m sure she said something along those lines. It only makes sense.

Dumbledore’s Lies

Micah: Yeah, and this kind of comes after Harry learns everything about Dumbledore’s family in the first article that was written and he realizes that this is really the only personal question that he has ever asked Dumbledore throughout the entire six years that he knew him, and what’s interesting about it is that he knew Dumbledore lied when he said that he saw socks. So, the only personal question that Harry ever asked Dumbledore, Dumbledore answered with a lie. And, so I just thought that was kind of interesting given Eric’s whole take about Harry being raised this sort of “pig for slaughter” and him never knowing really what Dumbledore’s true intentions were throughout the course of the series.

Andrew: Not just that, but he didn’t know Dumbledore at all.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: He just knew him as the Headmaster. He…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: He couldn’t see into him. He couldn’t understand anything from him.

Laura: But I mean, you think about other people who in your life are authority figures and other people that you seek for advice. How often do you actually ask them about their personal lives? Because if you start getting into personal lives with these people it makes them so much more human and I think that it wasn’t necessarily just something that Dumbledore was keeping from Harry. I think that on a subconscious level, it was a way in which Harry could keep Dumbledore up on a pedestal. You know? Higher above everyone else.

Micah: Yeah. But at the same time, it started the process of lies, and it started the process of Dumbledore not being truthful with Harry just from that point. You know? Already in Sorcerer’s Stone, he’s lying to Harry and he’s not telling the truth.

Laura: Yeah, but I think that’s part of his humanity.

Andrew: Yeah, I think Laura brings up a good point though about how once you ask an elder or someone you look up to about their personal life, things do change.

Laura: I mean it’s kind of like when you have that first dawning realization that your parents can’t solve everything. You know, when you’re a kid, you think that you can just run up to your parents and ask them and they know everything. When something really serious or terrible happens and there’s nothing they can do, it’s kind of a shock.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: But he’s not really lying to Harry to be deceitful or anything. I suppose he’s not telling him that because he doesn’t really think it’s relevant, then.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: At that point he was too young; I mean how could you possibly get into that? “I see my family to because…” It’d take him forever to explain everything.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: But also more on what Laura was saying – maybe Harry subconsciously just didn’t want to know more, which is why he didn’t ask any more personal questions. Because I’m just trying to put myself into his position. If I had a relationship with my principal, where he was guiding me, I don’t know if I wanted to know more about his personal life. Like – it’s just irrelevant.

Laura: No, I mean it just feels somewhat inappropriate. It’s like walking up to your teacher and being like, “Hey what did you do last night?” It’s weird. It’s awkward to ask people about their personal lives, you stay very formal. We see Harry continue to stay formal with Dumbledore throughout the books. I mean he becomes angry with him but it’s only about things that pertain to Harry’s personal life. So, I don’t know.

Rita Mentions Grindelwald

Andrew: Okay, moving along there’s another thing I wanted to talk about on pg. 26. I’m sorry but I just had a dirty mind and I couldn’t find anything else to bring up in here.

Matt: I think it’s 29 in the U.K edition. I think I know what you’re talking about.

Andrew: Rita says “‘Oh, now I’m glad you mentioned Grindelwald,’ says Skeeter, with a tantalizing smile. ‘I’m afraid those who go dewy-eyed over Dumbledore’s spectacular victory must brace themselves for a bombshell – or perhaps a Dungbomb. Very dirty business indeed.'”

Now, if you stop right there you think “Wait, did Rita actually know about the relationship between Grindelwald and Dumbledore?” In all seriousness I read that back and stopped right there to write down the note – I didn’t actually continue to read on. But, I really wish Jo included a couple more hints about him. [laughs] Because that would’ve been a good opportunity, like somehow if Rita Skeeter actually found out that he was gay.

Laura: How would she find out though, I don’t think he told anyone.

Andy: Came into his room as a beetle?

Andrew: Yeah…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Saw Dumbledore on the computer at a couple of things.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: I don’t think she was alive, but that’s okay.

Andrew: Well you don’t – well I’m talking as of late.

Laura: I don’t think Dumbledore got up too much in the last…

Micah: One hundred years.

Laura: Seven years.

Andrew: What do you mean, “Got up too much”?

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: What I was saying is I don’t think he had time for a romantic life, during the time when he was raising Harry.

Andrew: Oh, I know that’s why I said he went on the computer.

Laura: No, but…

[Matt sighs]

Andrew: But anyway, if you read on this paragraph it goes on to say, “All I’ll say is, don’t be so sure there was the spectacular duel of legend. After they’ve read my book, people may be forced to conclude that Grindelwald simply conjured a white handkerchief from the end of his wand and came quietly.” [laughs]

Laura: You are so wrong! Oh my gosh, these dirty minds.

Micah: Oh boy.

Laura: So Andrew, why don’t you enlighten us to the meaning of this passage since you highlighted it, instead of giggling?

Andrew: Well, I just told you! If you stop reading at “very dirty business indeed,” one could assume after finding out Dumbledore was gay – one could assume that there was Jo dropping us a hint, and also Rita Skeeter somehow found out. And it could be fun to analyze exactly how she could have possibly found out. [laughs]

Matt: I’m surprised you didn’t do this other passage either, the one right after it.

Andrew: What?

Matt: About Harry.

Andrew: Why?

Micah: Well, hold on. Can I just…

Laura: “It’s been called unhealthy, even sinister.”

Matt: Yeah.

Laura: About their relationship. She says, “the whole Potter Dumbledore relationship.”

Matt: “There’s no question that Dumbledore took an unnatural interest in Potter from the word ‘go.'”

Andrew: So maybe she did know. And I’m not even kidding! What if Rita actually did find out?

Interpreting Rita’s Words

Laura: I think if she did, it would have come out in the book. There would be no reason for her to keep that quiet. I think the angle she’s trying to play up is Dumbledore has had connections to dark wizards in the past and I think that she’s trying to lead people to assume he’s guiding this boy who’s supposed to defeat Voldemort, yet there was a time when he had a very Nazi-esque view of the way the world should work.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: At the “very dirty business,” I thought, had to do with his sister’s death and them not really knowing how she died.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Mmm, yeah.

Micah: But, I can see how that could be interpreted a different way.

Matt: Probably, also the thing that… Oh! Well, probably the dirty business was also probably the things Dumbledore and Grindelwald did together too. Just the fact that no one knew how good of friends they were and how well they knew each other and all those other things.


Andrew: Mhm. Okay, so moving onto pg. 29, we get to the part where Harry he sees Aberforth in the mirror. For a flash of a second by that time Harry assumes it’s Dumbledore. Did anyone think it actually was Dumbledore in the mirror? I did.

Andy: I really hoped it was but I don’t think I ever believed it.

Andrew Yeah. Because like…

Laura: I didn’t buy that it was Dumbledore but I wasn’t sure who it was. Because…

Andrew: Because we had discussed – sorry.

Laura: Sorry, I just trusted Jo when she said that he was dead. You know? The only real way that – I mean, we even saw that she was true to her word. You know, you can’t bring the dead back. We had the portrait and then we had Harry’s dream/epiphany at King’s Cross. So, he never really came back.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: And, she does it right in the last sentence of the chapter, when she says that “if anything it was certain that the bright blue eyes of Albus Dumbledore would never pierce him again.”

Andrew: Okay, well…

Micah: So… Well, no. I’m just saying as far as Dumbledore returning, that’s kind of what did it for me – when she said that.

Matt: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah. But, how could Harry be certain? Why would he be so certain? I mean…

Laura: Because he watched him die.

Andrew: But, he thought he had just seen his eye. So, what? Because remember on the show when we were even talking about what if there were a special connection with the two-way mirror? What if we’re going to see it again and it’s going to be Dumbledore helping Harry via the mirror? Didn’t we discuss that on the show?

Laura: We discussed Sirius helping Harry via the mirror.

Andrew: Oh, right.

Laura: Because there was that big theory going around for a long time that Sirius took the mirror through the Veil with him.

Andrew: Right, yeah.

Laura: But he clearly did not. I didn’t think it was Dumbledore because we knew that there was really no way for the dead to use that mirror. Like, you’re dead. You know?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Laura: It’s not a state in which you can readily communicate with people in that fashion, I don’t think.

MuggleCast 122 Transcript (continued)

The Truths: Doge vs. Rita’s Articles

Micah: I thought it’d be good to bring up looking at both the articles since, despite what Harry thought, there were truths about Dumbledore in both of them. Maybe we could just take a look at some of the basics that were in them. I don’t know. What do you guys think?

Laura: Well, it’s interesting because usually when you look at something – two pieces of media in which you have very different extremes – it’s usually pretty safe to assume that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Which is pretty much what it ended up being. You know? Of course Dumbledore’s good friend is going to say nothing but good things about him.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: And, he’s not going to confirm any of the questionable things about his past. But, at the same time, a critic like Skeeter – she’s going to attack him every chance she can get.

Andrew: I mean, the one thing about the first article was just that everyone who was reading that article – like us, the real people – we sort of were like, “Awww, yeah. Yeah, awww. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that, too.”

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: It was a very bittersweet way for us to remember Dumbledore. But what I find interesting, and this might come off wrong, is that whenever someone does die you do nothing but talk about some of the best things about the person.

Laura: Right.

Andrew: But as a side note, there was the football player who died earlier this week, Shaun Taylor. Actually, his former football coach from high school was on CNN, talking badly about him. And I was like, “What? You would actually do this?”

Laura: Yeah, I mean. You really run into that kind of thing with heavily influential figures. If you look at the death of Princess Diana, for instance. You had people, they were either on one side or the other. They loved her or they hated her. And they made it very clear how they felt about her in the days after her death. They still make it very clear.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: And I think that that’s just kind of a point that Jo is trying to bring up. That somebody who had so much pull in the Wizarding World as Dumbledore… You know, he was going to have people who loved him unconditionally and people who criticized his every move.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah. And we get the first pieces of information as well in Doge’s article about his family. Because up until this point, we really, other then Aberforth, didn’t know anything about Dumbledore’s family.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So, it gives us a brief insight into eventually what we learn more about later on in the book.

Andrew: Right. And it turns out to be some of the most important information too. But we just didn’t know it yet. It was very interesting how Jo brought us through those two articles and I really liked how we got two such differing opinions. It was just very, very good writing.

Laura: Right.

Micah: Yeah. And I like how Rita Skeeter brought up the fact that, you know, Dumbledore was into the Dark Arts and he wasn’t always as broadminded as everyone thought he was. And then, you know, you have Harry at the end of the chapter saying that this is all lies and it’s not true and it ends up being true in the end.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Yeah.

Favorite Quotes: “Dish The Dirt”

Andrew: We’ll do favorite quotes now that we got some e-mails. My favorite of the chapter was when Rita says, “People are cuing to dish the dirt on Dumbledore anyway.” And that made me angry. Do you think that was really true or you think that Rita was doing that just to sell her book?

Laura: I think it was probably true of a couple of people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I mean, that’s the main difference that you notice with these two articles while reading them. One is meant to provide a quick overview, a nice fluffy piece about Dumbledore’s life. And then the other is just pushing a book. And it’s just using his name, slaving his name on it, to make money.

Andrew: Yeah. Mhm, exactly.

Laura: So…

Andrew: But the thing that just got me was “people were lining up.” I actually had a visual of people lining up and Rita sitting at a table, just taking all these notes, all this dirt on Dumbledore. It’s faux.

Laura: Mhm. She exaggerates too, though. We know that.

Micah: It’s something like somebody…

Andrew: Oh, definitely.

Micah: Like Lucius Malfoy would, you know, be apt to go ahead and just dish the dirt on Dumbledore, I think.

Andrew: Right. I wonder if other very big influential characters died, like if, say, Lucius or maybe uhhh…ummm…hmmph… who else?

Matt: Fudge?

Andrew: McGonagall.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Fudge, yeah. If there would be all this dirt suddenly revealed about the person, because it’s…

Laura: You know what’s interesting about that? I always thought we were going to find out – find some dirt on Fudge, because of The Quibbler. Like, all those little things in The Quibbler, like I always kind of figured that Jo threw that in there to kind of give us a few grains of truth, and that we were going to find out all this stuff about Fudge.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: We never really did.

Andrew: Who put this next quote in?

Favorite Quotes: The Locket

Micah: I did. “The locket was accorded this place of honour, not because it was valuable — in all usual senses it was worthless — but because of what it had cost to attain it.” So, I just thought that it was [mockingly] a sentimental quote. When, you know, Harry was remembering Dumbledore.

Laura: Yeah, I remember when I read that when we were all together…

Micah: Did you cry?

Laura: I like – I felt my heart sink. I didn’t cry at that point, okay?

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Laura: I was only fifteen pages in!

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Oh.

Laura: I cried when I thought when I thought Harry was going to die!

Micah: You were crying when you were 50 pages out and thought Harry was still going to die.

Laura: Well, you never know! And it was worse because some people were laughing at me!

Andrew: I was L-M-A-O-ing, to be honest.

[Micah and Andy laughs]

Andy: That’s a bit bleak of you.

Andrew: But there’s another point I want to bring up about that, but it’s in one of the e-mails.

Favorite Quotes: Rita Skeeter

Andy: Well, this is a quote that I picked out, because I think it sums up everything that Rita Skeeter stands for. It’s: “‘Oh my dear,’ beams Skeeter, rapping me affectionately across the knuckles, ‘you know as well as I do how much information can be generated by a fat bag of Galleons, a refusal to hear the word ‘no’ and a nice sharp Quick-Quotes Quill!'”

Matt: Yeah. That is perfect Rita for you right there.

Muggle Mail: Predetermined Beliefs

Andrew: Ummm, let’s move on to e-mails for Chapter 2. This was sent in by our – these were sent in by our listeners this week. The first one comes from Hanna, 16, of Pennsylvania. She writes:

“Hey, guys, I just wanted to make a comment on Chapter Two for your discussion. This chapter is one of my favorite in the entire book, for the reason that it displays one of the prevalent themes of the books, that our predetermined beliefs blind us from the truth. When we first read the chapter we compare the articles written by Rita Skeeter and Elphias Doge. Immediately we side with Doge’s point of view, because of our past negative experiences with her and because of our connection with Doge who was a friend of Dumbledore’s. Because we identify with Doge we assume that his view is the correct of and that Rita, as she often has been before, is wrong. However, after we read the entire book it is clear that, though she embellished the many facts, Rita’s account of Dumbledore is actually more factual than Doge’s rose-colored picture of a kindly old man. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess. Sorry if this was long=winded.”

Andrew: Blah, blah, blah. So yeah, that’s a good point, that’s basically what we’re talking about.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: These two very contrasting views and we’re like, “Oh, psh, Rita, get outta here.”

Laura: Yeah. Yeah, and I think Jo was taking advantage of the fact that we were in the same position as Doge was.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Doge [pronounces it “dog”] you mean?

Laura: His name isn’t Dog.

Matt: It’s Doge.

Andrew: On today’s show it’s elephant dog.

Micah: [laughs] What?

Muggle Mail: Reminiscing

Laura: Next e-mail comes from Kimberly, 18, from New York. She writes:

“Hey, guys. First, I just want to say that you are all amazing and, even though you probably hear it all the time, you really have done such a great job with the show. Keep up the good work.”

Andrew: Thanks!

Laura: Thank you, that’s so sweet. Anyway…

[Micah laughs]

Laura: What?

Micah: You’re like, “anyway, no it’s not.” Let’s move on.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: “Oh, that’s so sweet, anyway.”

Laura: Sorry, I didn’t mean it that way. Whatever.

“I thought that it was really nice the way in which J.K. Rowling got us back into Harry’s point of view; he’s at the Dursley’s, and he’s miserable, just like he always is there. Yet, this is the last time that he will be there, so it is in a sort of odd way, special. Not even getting to the whole Dumbledore background story that is the focus of this chapter, I really enjoyed all of the reminiscent things that go on in the very beginning. It seems like its J.K.’s own special way of saluting to various memories from previous books as Harry is going through his trunk, pulling out books, quills, and much more. Right away, we know that this book is going to be very serious and intense because all of the light and happy things that we have seen in the previous books have to be abandoned now. In this sense, Harry is leaving his childhood forever, and for the typical ‘Harry Potter’ fangirl, moments like these totally grab our hearts. I know
that that probably sounds really sappy, but I figured since most of the discussion will be focused on the opening into Dumbledore’s background, it’s something different to read, at least. Thanks for reading, and once again you guys are amazing!! Good luck to everyone on your upcoming exams. I’m in the same boat as Laura and Andrew, finishing up the first semester of college. Cheers, and Happy Holidays!”

Andrew: Well, good luck to you, too.

Laura: Awww, that’s so sweet. Really, it is.

Micah: Anyway.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Shut up, Micah. Yeah, I was actually looking at that, like he’s, like going through, like, little things in his trunk. He finds the – what was it, ‘Cedric Diggory, the real Hogwarts champion, Potter stinks badges.”

Andy: The Sneak-o-scope.

Laura: Yeah he just found…

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Laura: It was like going through like all of these, you know, old memories and you know that he’s leaving it behind, like you said.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: And that was just one small part in the whole entire book, and I’m sure we’ll point them out as we continue this series of Chapter-by-Chapter, where, you know, Harry’s just seeing all these things from the past. I mean the example I keep going back to is Oliver Wood.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: He just pops out of no where, and all these little things are in here just to remind us of the series, and it really gave the book a different feeling. It gave the book – throughout the entire book, you got a real closure feeling, seeing all these things again, you know?

Laura: Yeah.

Matt: Well, pretty much every character in the series made a cameo in this book, didn’t they?

Andrew: Right, yeah.

Laura: Except for Madame Maxime.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: Like, she just kind of didn’t appear anywhere.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Which is really interesting seeing as she is a giant and everything. She’d be kind of hard to miss.

Muggle Mail: Too Little Time?

Andrew: Ooo! Hey! Next e-mail comes from Ashley, 18, of Virginia. She writes:

“Isn’t it interesting that Harry is left to reflect on the jadiness about Dumbledore and the way he, Harry, was never able to make the best of his time with Dumbledore. And most of the readers feel the same way. There is so much we hope to learn but time run out far too quickly. It’s such a feeling that I find great comfort in this similarity, but not just about Dumbledore, but the series as a whole.”

Wow. Yeah?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s another good point. We were sort of talking about that earlier.

Muggle Mail: How is Rita Writing?

Andy: This next e-mail comes from Nina, 14, of Missouri. She says:

“Hi! I’m writing in for the Chapter-by-Chapter for Chapter 2 of Deathly Hallows. In this chapter, Harry writes the interview with Rita Skeeter. But how does Rita is writing anything in the first place? I thought Hermione had shut her up for good in Goblet of Fire, as was demonstrated in The Order of the Phoenix when Rita wrote for The Quibbler. What happened? I guess Hermione didn’t follow through on her threats.”

Laura: Actually that was because Hermione said at the end of Goblet of Fire that she had to keep her quill to herself for a year. So…

Andy: Yep.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: And she’s not really writing for The Daily Prophet, either…

Laura: Yeah, she wasn’t writing about Harry, either…

Micah: She was writing her own book.

Laura: Plus, I’m sure that Hermione didn’t want to draw attention to themselves at this point in time. Like, just having all this information about Dumbledore come out is just one more thing to distract from Harry. So, I guess it’s kind of a way of keeping them safe. Just another form of protection. Because people might be more invested in hearing about Dumbledore.

Andrew: Yeah. And, you know, someone other than Rita is probably making some money off of this.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: So, they could’ve brought her back pretty easily, you know, if money was involved.

Chapter-by-Chapter: Quote Quiz

Andrew: We’re going to start something new here on the Chapter-by-Chapter segment. It’s called, “Quote Quiz”!

Micah: That was good.

Matt: Yay!

Laura: Wooo!

Andrew: Quote Quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz [imitating echo sound] Quote-quote-quote Quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz [more echoing] So, what we’re going to do, [laughs] to get everyone excited about the following week’s chapter, we will pick out a quote from the next chapter. In this case, Chapter 3. And, we won’t say who said it. And we’ll make you guys guess and we’ll make you guys play at home. It will be a lot of fun. Of course, this is not a competition because anyone could just open the book and find the answer. But, just, for you guys to play at home. Just for fun.

First one. This comes form Chapter 3. Guess the quote. Guess who said it. “Very clever of you, sir! Very clever. I personally would be utterly bamboozled by all those buttons and knobs.” Who was the speaker and who is being spoken to? All right, this is been “Quote Quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz-quiz.” Okay, so next week we’ll be discussing Chapter 3, “The Dursley’s Departing.” It features one of the most random quotes you will ever see in this entire Harry Potter series. It left everyone going, “What the…!”

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: “…Fudge.”

Micah: I don’t know what you’re talking about, but…

Laura: Yeah, me neither.

Andrew: Isn’t that the chapter where Dudley says, “I’ll miss you, Harry”?

Micah: Oh. Oh, yeah.

Laura: Oh. Well, Okay. I thought…

Chicken Soup For The MuggleCast Soul

Andrew: We’re going to wrap things up with a Chicken Soup today.

Laura: This week’s Chicken Soup For The MuggleCast Soul comes from Elizabeth. She writes:

“Dear, MuggleCasters, compared to some of the other beautiful Chicken Soup stories, this one might seem a little pointless, but I’m going to go with it anyway. A few months ago I was very low. That might not sound too dramatic, but it’s the best way I can describe it. I’m sure you know that feeling, being clutched in the claws of something dark. Not feeling a part of yourself, your friends, your world. Sometimes at night, just to stop myself from crying once more, I would turn on the MuggleCast and focus on some familiar, friendly voices. The contentment of Harry Potter talk would bring me, plus the ramblings of a handful of simply amazing people would comfort me. I’m not depressed anymore, and right now I’m with a fantastic guy who really understands. I just can’t tell him about my unrequited love for Jamie.”

Of course.

“Thank you, MuggleCast, for being with me in some bleak and lonely times. I wanted to write you guys a poem, but in the thralls of writer’s block this is the best I could do. All my love and more, Elizabeth.”

And she did write a very lovely poem called, “A World Within a World,” for MuggleCast. And we’ve put that up on the site. So, thank you for that.

Contact Information

Andrew: It’s time to remind everyone about our contact information. Laura, if someone wants to send us parcel mail, how do they do that?

Laura: You can send that to:

PO Box 3151
Cumming, Georgia

Andrew: You can also call the MuggleCast hotline. In the United States, the number is 1-218-20-MAGIC. In the United Kingdom it’s 020-8144-0677. And if you’re in Australia, you can dial 020 – sorry, 02-8003-5668. And we’ll get to some voicemails soon. And I know Kevin’s still trying to fix the Skype voicemail box. Speaking of Skype, you can also contact us via that program, just use the username MuggleCast. And remember, no matter how you’re going to contact us via voice, keep your message under 60 seconds and eliminate as much background noise as possible so we can put you on the show. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for a handy feedback form. To contact any one of us at our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. To contact
Andy it is:

Andy: webmaster at harrypotterfanzone dot com.

Andrew: And to – Matt’s got a – yeah, mattb at staff dot mugglenet dot com?

Matt: I don’t know.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yes, you do. Come on, you log into it.

Matt: Oh.

Andrew: Don’t you?

Matt: Oh, it’s matthewb.

Andrew: Matthewb.

Matt: Yeah, you guys couldn’t have said matt at mugglenet dot com. You had to say, matthewb.

Andrew: Because when Micah gave me a list of the transcribers, he gave me “Matthew.” And there was already a matthew at staff, so it had to be matthewb. I remember you e-mailing to me. You were like, “Hey dude, you can call me Matt, man. My name’s Matt. It’s not Matthew.”

Matt: Yeah.

Micah: It’s probably Emily’s fault.

Matt: I’m Matthew B.

Andrew: [imitating Mikey] I’m Matthew B.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: [imitating Mikey] I’m Mikey B!

Micah: It was probably Emily that sent you the list.

Andrew: Oh yeah, it was probably Emily, it wasn’t Micah. Former
staff member, Emily. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for all of our community outlets including: MySpace, Facebook, YouTube,
Last.FM, and the MuggleCast Fanlisting

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Also, don’t forget to Digg the show at Digg.com. Vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley. It is a new month, December, so be sure to place your vote over there. And rate and review us at Yahoo! Podcasts. And don’t forget there are also subscription links, including the new Zune link.

Show Close

Andrew: So, I think that wraps up the show for today. It was a short show compared to recently, and the co-hosts suck this week. Except for Matt and Andy, thanks for joining us this week.

Andy: Indeed.

Matt: Awww, thank you, Andrew.

Andrew: You’re welcome, Matt. [laughs] Don’t forget, Andy’s over at
HarryPotterFanZone running the Harry Potter website of choice for Australians.

Andy: Yep.

Andrew: Isn’t that what you like to call it?

Andy: Uh, yeah. Why not?

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] So, once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: I’m Andy McCray.

Matt: And I’m Matthew B.

Andrew: [laughs] We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 123. Buh-bye!

Laura: Bye.

Micah: Bye.

Andy: Bye.


Andrew: Sorry, I forgot to tell you about that, too.

Matt: Yeah.

Andrew: I need to write up a book: The MuggleCast Guest-Host Manual.

Laura: The Guest Host’s – yeah. [laughs]

Andy: Handbook?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: The Idiot’s Guide[laughs]to MuggleCast Co-Hosting.

Andrew: Yeah, how to record. How to say your name. Yeah Idiot’s Guide.

Matt: I should get that.


Episode 122: Special Positioning

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  • David Heyman and his wife.
  • A look at Beedle the Bard.
  • MuggleMail checks out some of last week’s discussion.
  • Chapter by Chapter: Chapter 2 of Deathly Hallows
  • Mutual Attraction
  • Comparing the Doge and Rita articles.
  • Listener e-mails about Chapter 2.
  • New game: QUOTE QUIZ quiz quiz.
  • Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul.
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Running time: 59:00, 20.3 MB

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Transcript 121

MuggleCast 121 Transcript

Show Intro

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[Into music starts]

Micah: Because Bellatrix doesn’t get any. This is MuggleCast Episode 121 for November 25th, 2007.

[Intro music continues to play]

Micah: So, Andy. How was your Thanksgiving?

Andy: Oh, it was great.

[Andrew laughs]

Andy: Celebrated it well.

Micah: Did you have turkey?

Andy: Lots of.

Micah: Mikey – Micah thinks this is the greatest joke ever because he keeps running with it. He’s not going to stop.

Andy: [laughs] I’ve got to think of a witty answer for it. That’s the problem. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. It was pretty chicken. [laughs]

Eric: Hey, Micah. How was your Christmas? Sorry.

Micah: Well, Eric, considering…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: It’s a month away.

Andy: I had a turkey of a Thanksgiving.

Eric: We had a Black Friday because they don’t have Thanksgiving, they don’t really have Black Friday, but it was a busy day nonetheless. Really got me in the spirit for… I need stuffing, guys. I really need stuffing.

Andrew: Yes, I had stuffing, and it was very good. I also went Black Friday shopping. The Cherry Hill Mall. Ever been there, Eric? The Cherry Hill Mall?

Eric: Cherry Hill? yeah, the Cherry Hill Complex. There’s an iMax there, isn’t there?

Andrew: I don’t know that.

Eric: Ah, just wondering.

Andrew: It was the first time I’ve been there. Actually I did go there with Jamie. I actually took Jamie to that mall. He loved it.

Eric: Oh, nice.

Andrew: Yeah, they don’t really have malls in the UK.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But yeah so, went Black Friday shopping and no Order of the Phoenix DVD because it’s not on sale here yet.

[Andy laughs]

Eric: Oh gee, we have it. I bought it. I’ve got all my Christmas shopping done on friday.

Andrew: Anyway, welcome everyone to the show. As you see, we have Micah, Eric, Andy’s back…

Andy: Hey.

Andrew: As well, and I’m here. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.


Andrew: Micah’s over in the MuggleCast News Center with the past weeks Harry Potter news stories.

Micah: All right, thanks Andrew. Universal’s Harry Potter theme park, set to open in late 2009 or early 2010, will focus heavily on holiday-themed events, particularly at Halloween and Christmas time, according to Jim Hill Media. It is hoped that this “Holidays at Hogwarts” idea will rival Disney World’s current dominance during the holiday season.

Promotion for the park is due to begin as early as next year, with television commercials featuring clips from all five of the Potter movies to date.

With the release of the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix DVD in the US less than a month away, Warner Brothers has released a new behind the scenes video which features actors Dan Radcliffe and Evanna Lynch, and shows how special effects were used to create the flying thestrals sequence in the movie.

Harry Potter author, J.K. Rowling has been named Entertainment Weekly‘s Entertainer of the Year. The announcement was made earlier this morning on The Today Show, which you can see video of here on MuggleNet.com. Rowling, who appears on the cover, is the first author to ever receive this award.

Finally, Sir Ian McKellen was recently interviewed by The Guardian where amongst other things he discusses Dumbledore vs. Gandalf, the character who he played in The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

McKellen says that while he and Michael Gambon are close friends, the topic of “how to play a wizard” has never come up. And as far as if he would have taken over the role of Dumbledore from the late Richard Harris, McKellen said:

“People say to me, don’t you wish you’d played Dumbledore? I say no! I played Gandalf! The original. There was a question as to whether I might take over from Richard Harris [Gambon’s predecessor in the Dumbledore role], but seeing as one of the last things he did publicly was say what a dreadful actor he thought I was, it would not have been appropriate for me to take over his part.” He smiles icily. “It would have been unfair.”

When asked who would win the battle between Dumbledore and Gandalf, McKellen never hesitated, “Gandalf. Of course.”

That’s all the news for this Novemer 25th, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Okay, thank you Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome.

Andrew: You know, it was a slow week.

Micah: It was a slow week.

Andrew: The news makers are off this week to the rest of us.

Eric: The news makers?

News Discussion: HP Theme Park’s “Holidays at Hogwarts”

Andrew: Yes. Besides the big Thanksgiving – the annual Thanksgiving post, we had a little update on the Harry Potter theme park, finally. I mean, we haven’t heard about it in a while. And this comes from a theme park blog. It’s sort of an entertainment industry blog, but they focus on theme parks. They’ve got some connections in the theme parks. And they – let me read part of the recent blog post, here. It concerns “Holidays at Hogwarts,” this concept.

“You see, Universal is hoping to turn Islands Of Adventure’s Harry Potter-themed section into a way to challenge Disney World’s dominance when it comes to Christmas in Central Florida. Picture — if you will — a yearly “Holidays at Hogwarts” promotion at Universal Studios Islands of Adventure. With carolers strolling through the streets of Hogsmeade and a traditional English Christmas feast being served nightly in the Great Hall at Hogwarts Castle.”

Andrew: Is that a great idea, or what?

Eric: Ummm, maybe.

Andrew: Holidays at Hogwarts.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Now, here’s the thing. This blog post also said that this might be opening by 2009. And this blogger said they will open the park when it’s half-finished. Just to, I guess start getting people in early. Now, is this a good idea? Or shouldn’t you wait a couple extra years for the whole theme park to be open?

Eric: Well, why would you do that if you can make all these sorts of sales on memorabilia and all the stuff you can have prepped and ready to go.

Andrew: I guess, but I would just want a huge grand opening, instead of it just opening in pieces. But this is a very good way to get those Disney fans out of Universal. Because, personally, who pays for two parks? I mean, you know? So I think it’s going to hurt Disney’s holiday popularity. Maybe not much, but I’m sure there are several listeners out there who go to Disney for the holidays every once in a while. And I think most of our listeners will definitely start turning to Universal Studios. Have any of you guys been to Universal Studios?

Eric: In Florida, yes.

Micah: Yep.

Eric: Yep.

Andrew: Ah, I’ve never been there.

Micah: It’s been a while.

Andrew: I’m a Disney fan.

Eric: Yeah, I didn’t go to Islands of Adventure at the time, so I cannot speak for it. They had a cool Spiderman ride my friend told me I had to ride before the movies came out. And I didn’t. But I was at Universal in Orlando, Florida and I just have to say that the Nickelodeon building does not have sweeping front lawn in it, like any kid was always lead to believe. With the big, giant, sort of globe that says Universal. They’re completely placed disproportionately and there’s no big, sweeping front lawn. And I was very disappointed. But other than that, I had a good time.

Andrew: Cool.

Micah: Yeah. I mean, I was at Universal back in 2000, I would say. When I was on a band trip down there with school. And I haven’t been back since, but I think this definitely adds an element for them that they were seriously lacking. As far as drawing people there for the holidays. I think now they have something that people are going to want to definitely go and experience.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Eric: I think so, too.

Andrew: The…

Eric: Though, they’ve taken the Back to the Future ride down since I’ve been there. Which is upsetting.

Andy: It’s very disturbing.

Andrew: See, I’m like – That whole Harry Potter area is definitely a selling point. But, like, I love Disney just because it’s magical. [laughs] I mean, it just is. And..

Eric: Yeah. Disney has the one-up on everyone, I think.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Just because of their name. And their whole – you’re not going to have breakfast with the Terminator, you know? You what I’m saying? I mean, that’s the thing, Disney has all these characters and they continue to invent them. Like Woody and Buzz, for instance. You know, Toy Story? Nemo. All these new films come out, you get all these new, dressed-up characters. And Universal doesn’t really have that thing. Because Universal’s for the movie-lover.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: And movie’s aren’t necessarily – like, it’s for an older sort of audience. Such as the Terminator 2 or T2: Battle Through Time or whatever it is that they have there.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. So, overall…

Micah: Eric brings up a good point.

Andrew: What?

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: That Disney is magical overall as opposed to Universal adding just one area of their park that is going to have a magical feel to it.

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Be magical.

Andrew: So…

Eric: Yeah, but I personally enjoy entering Universal, because they play the movie soundtracks as you – there’s these long, I don’t want to say escalators, but moving pavement or moving sidewalk, whatever you want to call them.

Andy: The skywalk?

Eric: Ummm, okay, if that’s the Australian term, we’ll go with that.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Yeah, skywalks. They’re like the moving pavement, that’s what they’re called.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And as you’re going into the park, into Universal, they play the movie themes.

Andrew: Cool.

Eric: And that was just really awesome for me. So, yeah.

Micah: What do you guys think about them playing us while people wait in line?

Andrew: Oh, they should. Oh, that’s a great idea.

Eric: Us?

Andrew: Us, the pod – didn’t someone bring that up before?

Micah: I don’t know.

Andrew: I think someone said that. I don’t know. Either way. See, that’s like a great place for all the fan sites to go and just like hand out their business cards and stuff. Because I mean, if you’re going there, you must be interested in Harry Potter a little bit, so…

Eric: Yeah.

News Discussion: J.K. Rowling Named Entertainer of the Year

Andrew: Then we’ll be kicked out for loitering. Hey, but anyway, moving on to some other news now. JK Rowling named Entertainer of the Year by Entertainment Weekly. Entertainment Weekly had this to say about JK Rowling:

“She is our Entertainer of the Year because she did something very, very hard and she did it very, very well, thus pleasing hundreds of millions of children and adults very, very much. In an era of video game consoles, online multiplayer environments, and tinier-is-better mobisodes, minisodes, and webisodes, she got people to tote around her big, fat, old-fashioned, printed-on-paper books as if they were the hottest new entertainment devices on the planet.”

And that is so true. I love that little connection, because I remember when the book came out, everyone was carrying them around. Like in London, I would see people carrying them around. And when we got back to the States, people were walking around with them. They were a fashion statement. And it was cool. [laughs]

Micah: It was cool. People had them on the train.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Eric: Yeah, it was our time.

News Discussion: Rowling as Time‘s Person of the Year

Andrew: Yeah. Yep. And I have to say, I think this is a really good reason why she should be Time‘s Person of the Year. We were talking about this last week, or two weeks ago. She should be Time‘s Person of the Year for this exact reason. She is an entertainer, and not by the standards that we have today. I was looking back – Entertainment Weekly had a little archive of all the past Entertainers of the Year since like 1990, I think, they started this in, or ’96, or somewhere in the 90s. And all of them have been movie stars, cartoon characters. None of them have actually been a book or its author. So this is a first for Entertainment Weekly‘s Entertainer of the Year, and I think it says something about JK Rowling this past year.

Micah: It does.

Eric: Who was she up against?

Andrew: For Person of the Year?

Eric: Is it Person or Entertainer of the Year?

Micah: Well, no, it’s…

Andrew: Well, she wasn’t up against anyone. I mean, there was a list. They were all movie actors and stuff.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: But she won the top Entertainer of the Year.

Micah: Yeah. If you watch the video on The Today Show, they kind of go through a list of people that she was up against, and she came out pretty clear ahead of anybody else. But I agree with what you’re saying, Andrew, as far as Person of the Year. I think that it’s sort of the right time. If she’s ever going to get it, the time is going to be now, because it’s the culmination of her series.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: It’s all the work that she’s done throughout the world with various charities, and I think it would be just the right time. I mean, when else is she going to receive it? I don’t think there’s any other time that it would be more suiting than right now.

News Discussion: Ian McKellen on Dumbledore

Andrew: Okay. Moving on to final story of today. This was posted on Saturday. Ian McKellen finally comments on Dumbledore. Is this – I could be wrong – is this the first time he’s ever mentioned Dumbledore? Like, being cast as Dumbledore?

Eric: Well, first time I remember, yeah. Yeah, it’s interesting.

Andrew: Well, here, let’s set it up. Ian McKellen says, “People say to me, ‘Don’t you wish you’d played Dumbledore?’ I say, ‘No, I played Gandalf, the original.'” Think about that for a second.

Eric: Hold for a break, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. “There was a question as to whether I might take over from Richard Harris, but seeing as one of the last things he did publicly was say what a dreadful actor he thought I was, it would not have been appropriate for me to take over his part. It would have been unfair.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Richard Harris actually said that?

Andy: Yeah.

Micah: I guess so.

Andy: It’s hard to imagine that he said he was a dreadful actor.

Andrew: Yeah. I guess unless, you know, you know you’re going to die soon anyway, so why not?

Eric: So just insult all the people that you can?

Andrew: Yeah. Speak the truth. That’s surprising. I mean -The other thing that I think would upset a lot of Harry Potter fans is [laughs] McKellen calls Gandalf the “original”? What does

he mean by that exactly? Is he trying to say that Dumbledore is a copy off of Gandalf?

Eric: No, well, surely there was Merlin before Gandalf.

Andrew: Yeah, but, yeah. So, he’s not even the original…

Eric: So, yeah, I don’t think you can call him the original. Well, then again, maybe he means…

Andrew: Hang on.

Eric: By the orginial…

Micah: The original gay wizard?

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andrew: Ah, so funny.

Eric: Nah. I don’t know. But I take it with a grain of – I think this is interesting because it’s good to hear his opinion on it, you know what I’m saying? Because his opinion is well, Richard Harris said he was a “crap actor,” sort of one of the things he did publicly before he died.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So, I mean Ian’s had a steady line of work with with -I mean, the XMEN franchise and DaVinci Code, and he’s in a steady line of work and will never be out of work.

Andrew: You know, come to think of it, it would be weird if he played Gandalf and Dumbledore.

Eric: Yeah, it would.

Andrew: I mean, that’s like the same guy playing Superman also playing Batman.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Seriously.

Eric: That’s a good comparison

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That’s a really good comparison.

Andrew: Thanks, but, you know.

Micah: It’s interesting that he said it would have been unfair. How is he saying that? I mean, is he saying that in the sense that he’s a better actor. So…

Eric: Because he out-lived Richard Harris.

Andrew: Whoa.

Micah: No, no.

Andrew: It would have been unfair to follow him after Richard Harris already said he’s a crappy actor. I guess.

Micah: But why?

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Because he would have proved just how much better he was by…?

Andrew: No.

Micah: Why?

Andrew: Just because I think that’s like…

Eric: That’s…

Andrew: …disrespecting his wishes. I mean, not directly. But it sort of is. [laughs] I don’t know.

Eric: Well – hmmm. Yeah, I don’t mind that much.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: It’s good to have an actor like, well, I was wondering other ways. Was there a good reason?

Micah: Well, just that whole icy smile part. It leads me to believe that he was sort of…

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: …conveying the message that he was a better actor so would have assumed the role, he would have ut Richard Harris
to shame. That’s what I took it.

Andrew: Well, yeah.

Eric: I’d like to see Ian McKellen try it, but him and Michael Gambon are friends, so, and apparently they never talk about it, which isn’t surprising.

Micah: Which, you know, may benifit Michael Gambon every once in awhile.

[Others laugh]

Micah: Talk to McKellen on how to play a wizard.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t know.

Micah: Or how to act in general.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s kind of mean, Micah.

Micah: Hey, hey, no – well, yes it is. But…

Eric: I’m sorry I pulled back on that one.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I was just waiting to see if anybody else agreed.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: I’m pulling my punches in light of this toll. It’s 120 episodes later I have decided to do that. So… [laughs]

Micah: I was going to ask Andy, though, because we’ve never heard his thoughts to what he thinks of Michael Gambon.

Andy: Well, I think he plays Dumbledore well, but my favorite has always been Richard Harris. So, I don’t think there is anyone that can replace him, but that’s just my view anyway.

Andrew: I think…

Eric: I think…

Andrew: That’s what a lot of people say.

Eric: If Richard Harris would have stayed on just for the third, I know he didn’t have much say in the matter, but…

[Andrew laughs and Andy gasps]

Eric: I reckon if… No.

[Everyone laugh]

Eric: Honestly….

Andy: I don’t think he had any say in the matter.

Eric: He were available in the third one, I think we would have seen whether, or not he could actually do it. I know a lot of people make the comment, “Oh, Richard Harris, look at him in ‘Chamber of Secrets’ it looks like he can blow him away.” Just with a bit of air, and wind, and he’d get blown away. That’s a lot of the – and he does look it. But he also had a force behind his movement. If he were in the third one, I think we would have been able to see for sure, sort of what I think are his capabilities, because that’s where Dumbledore gets kind really good at – yeah, just a little bit of hint. But we lost him when he did.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And I’m not minding Michael Gambon in Movie 5.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But you guys haven’t seen it since theaters so.

Andy: But the thing to say about Michael Gambon is he sort of plays Dumbledore in that whole “angry” style, like in the fourth movie. “Did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?!” And I preferred Richard Harris…

Andrew: Right, that’s what upset a lot of people.

Eric: Somebody listened to our show.

[Eric and Andy laugh]

Andrew: And also in The Order of the Phoenix, when he says, “Don’t you all have school work to do?” After he sees Trelawney.

Eric: Yeah, what was the point in that?

Announcements: Transcribing

Andrew: It’s just, we’ve talked about that a lot, though. We’ll move on. We do have a couple announcements now. Micah, you’ve got the first one.

Micah: Yeah, I’ve been getting a lot e-mails for people who are interested in transcribing for the show. I know you have mentioned that the end of one of the shows a couple of weeks back, but I think I am pretty set as far as that’s concerned for now. If anybody else does get hired, we will let you know, but please stop sending emails for now, and thanks to everybody who sent something in.

Andrew: Thanks. Let’s move on to some e-mails now.

Muggle Mail: Harry Potter and Schooling

Micah: Sure. The first e-mail comes from Stephanie, 15 of Lansing, IL, not Michigan. She said:

On last week’s episode you mentioned the school in England that improved from ‘Harry Potter.’ The Catholic elementary school I went do did just that, but for only the 4th grade. They started when I entered 5th grade and what they did was divide the grade into houses and you could earn or loose points for your house. My little sister is a proud Slytheirn, and I think the whole concept is a good idea.

Andrew: That could also help encourage students to have better behavior.

Eric: I agree.

Andrew: You know. Beause if you screw up and you bully some kid on the playground you’re going lose points for – I’m assuming it’s for stuff outside the classroom as well.

Eric: Yeah, it’s good. I like that idea a lot, especially ’cause kids know Harry Potter, you know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: Like for instance, I taught CCD. I taught first grade religion classes with my mom. It’s for all the kids in the Catholic church who go to a public school.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: They get some classes, and it ends sort of eighth grade when they get confirmed in the Catholic church. Doesn’t have to end there, but it can. It usually does for most people. So we taught and I used Spiderman actually to teach religion, and it was quite a novel concept. I didn’t – because the kids knew Spiderman obviously because the first movie had come out and you know, they’d seen the cartoon series, etc. So, what I would do is I would draw Spiderman on the dry erase board and every time that they were loud or noisy, I would erase part of Spiderman. And so, the thing being that their hero – well, they would have to be good otherwise there would be no Spiderman. And it worked.

Andrew: That’s a good idea. That’s a good idea.

Eric: And I did it with Harry Potter towards the end of the year as well.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: So, that was quite good.

Muggle Mail: Does Harry Potter Lead to Other Reading?

Micah: The next one comes from Dan, 37 from New Mexico. He said:

I read a good article on the state of reading in America, and it mentions the ‘Harry’ Potter books. I have included the link to the article and the paragraphs that mention, and are important to the mention of, the ‘Harry Potter’ books. I have always believed that kids that are already reading all over the world are buying the ‘Harry Potter’ books on a huge scale. I don’t believe that the books have turned many non-reading children into readers. and if this has happened, what else are they reading now that they are true readers? Or are they just reading the ‘Harry Potter’ books?

And he goes on to list the articles from the Chicago Tribune and a bunch of quotes. But I think what he’s generally getting at is, are the Harry Potter books really getting kids to read more? Or, are they just reading Harry Potter and then not moving on to anything else?

Eric: Well, that’s an interesting question. I think it’s an interesting Muggle Mail as well. I’m happy to read it and contemplate. I think that even if they’re only reading the Harry Potter books, that’s sort of 30 or 40,000 more words than they would be reading. Or, you know, at least seven more big books. Even if they’re… So, the question is, I guess, are they making kids read more in general or are they just reading more Harry Potter books. But I’ve found that the Harry Potter books have been – that’s why I like them so much because I can read them and can enjoy them. They’re written in such a way so as to like – but like, it’s true, I haven’t read too terribly much beyond Harry Potter since Harry Potter with the exception of a few Stephen King novels. So, I would perhaps be in that column.

Micah: Right. And one interesting quote that came from the article that he put in his e-mail said: “It’s great that millions of kids are reading these long, intricate novels, but reading one such book every 18 months doesn’t make up for daily reading.”

Andrew: Yeah, I think this is a good point. I mean, when I first read this I was like, “Wow, that’s actually pretty true.” Because the Harry Potter books are credited with getting children to read, but the question is, does it keep them reading? Like, you know, okay they’ll just read Harry Potter, you know? Is it long term?

Eric: Though fair enough, I think there are plenty of fans, and we might hear from them in Muggle Mails next week, that have actually, you know, were introduced to reading. I think there are. I think there are some. Maybe not as large a scale as people think, in that case Dan is right to point this out. It feels like debunking, or just it feels like a blow, but it’s not. But I’m sure there are people that have gotten into reading and have read sort of the other fantasy novels out there. Like, for instance, Lord of the Rings, I would – I can see how people would read Harry Potter first and then get into Lord of the Rings as opposed to the other way around, because Lord of the Rings are quite intense to read and so if you like the – well it depends on what you like about Harry Potter. If it’s Jo’s writing style, and that’s the thing you like the most, you might only read the Harry Potter books. If you like the fantasy genre as a genre, you will be highly interested in reading any or all other science fiction and other fantasy books.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: You know what I’m saying. Phillip Pullman, for instance. With all these movies coming out and treatments and Northern Lights or Golden Compass or whatever, coming out as well I think. With Harry Potter fans with the completion of the series are looking for books to read.

Andrew: Yeah. It definitely inspires them to read beyond Harry Potter, but the question is do they stick with it.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Right.

Eric: And that is unpredictable. I don’t think…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: And I just found it interesting that they were quoting people from the Penguin Group and Simon and Schuster, all these other companies, instead of maybe asking somebody from Scholastic.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: So.

Eric: There is a good…

Andrew: They could be reached for comment.

Micah: RIght.

Eric: There is a good quote here. “There are so many nuances”, Whiteman says, “reading scores don’t necessarily have today’s sells.” [laughs] I find that funny.

Micah: Well, yeah, I mean I think what they were getting at was, “Do the ‘Harry Potter’ books, when there are a release. Are they skewing the sales”

Eric: Stats.

Micah: “…the teenage range so much that you think that there is this large group of people out there that are buying these books, but really it is just because of one major release.”

Eric: Well, in that case I would be “pro” the idea that no there is not enough reading out there and we should pay more attention to books than we should to iPhones, sorry Andrew. [laughs]

[Andrew sighs deeply]

Micah: But…

Eric: Or iPod touch.

[Andrew sighs deeply]

Eric: Or – look, I love iTunes okay? I just got, you guys saw my blickle I have “Phase,” itis a great video game for iPod. I love it. It takes all these songs and it Guitar Hero-izes them.

Andrew: Yeah I say that. It looks pretty cool. But, hey…

Micah: So lets get back to Jo.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: She has always said that the biggest thing that she has gotten out of all of this is that kids not only read her books but go on to read other stuff, so hopefully that is the case.

Eric: Yeah, and I think she would probably because they would send her the letters. You know what I am saying.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And, I think it is also impossible to not just – the other thing is these statistics, because the Chicago Tribune did them, are American. You know, so think about all the countries worldwide that are – that is the whole reason why the Harry Potter fandom is so massive is because of all the other countries who are reading these books and everybody knows Harry.

Micah: I am going to go out on a limb and I am going to get a lot of e-mails, but I am going to say that other countries, putting the U.S. aside, probably generally read more than Americans do.

Eric: Oh, well that is a good point. And you are right.

Andrew: I agree.

MuggleCast 121 Transcript (continued)

Muggle Mail: HD Production Problems

Andrew: Lets move on now to some more e-mails. Next one comes from Kevin, 21 of Chicago, Illinois, not our Kevin.

Hey, I’m not too sure if any of you keep up with high definition movie releases as in Blu-ray and HD-DVD, but within the past month or so Warner Brothers has had to postpone several of their high def releases with no explanation. This makes me think that they may be having HD production problems, so, for the ‘Harry Potter’ series, they wanted to allow themselves enough time to be able to meet the HD demand in the US. After all, the Harry Potter movies will likely make it into their top selling HD releases, and releasing them day-and-date with the DVD will promote HD sales. This is just speculation of course, but hey that’s what ‘Harry Potte’r podcasts are all about, right?

Andrew: Right.

Eric: What is the question?

Andrew: No it is not a question. It is a statement. Last week we talked about why is the Harry Potter DVD being delayed? Or was it two weeks ago, I lose track.

Micah: It was last week.

Eric: Because it was out overseas, and why is it waiting till December 11th?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Okay. It’s a Christmas thing.

Andrew: Well I did do a quick check on Amazon.com to see if they – actually Amazon.co.uk to see if they had them in stick in the UK, the HD and Blu-ray discs and they do. So, that might suggest that might not be a problem with that? The High Definition movie releases? Although I guess you will need a crap load more us Americans, since, I’m sure a hot holiday item this season is going to be the High Definition Movie players. So…

Eric: I am pretty sure if they wanted to produce an extra 500 million copies of the HD DVD a month ago they could have done it though.

Andrew: Yea,h but there has been delays in supply has been low. I do not know, I still seriously think it had something to do with the Hairspray DVD release.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I am just saying because I think it is competitive.

Eric: No, I think it is possible, they didn’t want to compete with Hairspray. They knew that they would lose.

Andrew: well, I don’t know if they would lose but if you are going out with your kid is – if their parent is going out to buy a DVD at Wal-Mart, per say. You know, typically they will get one DVD. You know, it is typical competition.

Eric: Oh my god, I miss Wal-Mart.

Andrew: Wal-Mart is all right. That’s where I bought my Hairspray DVD.

Micah: well, what about extra things being included on this DVD as opposed to maybe something on the others. Is that possible? I mean, would they include more scenes, say, from Half-Blood Prince or something like that?

Andrew: Oh, I mean all the scenes are viewable online. Unless…

Eric: Are they?

Andrew: Yes. You put your DVD in the computer, and it takes you to the site, and you can watch them.

Eric: Oh right.

Micah: Oh, that’s true.

Eric: Oh. I haven’t explored my disc 2 yet. I’m bad.

Micah: But see the Christmas argument doesn’t really hold up with me either. It is going to be Christmas in the UK also. So, why the difference?

Andrew: Yeah, right.

Eric: Well, no, but the American in consumerized. America just wants to delay it, because they know they are going to get the hype up. You know?

Andrew: Yeah. Could be. Well…

Eric: That’s what I heard.

Andrew: Well, whatever. We may never know the true reason.

Andy: But waiting an entire month to delay it?

Andrew: Yeah. I know…

Eric: Yes. Absolutely, because maybe it’s a stupid corporate idea, but it’s an idea.

Andrew: I could see why it would be delayed for Australia or Germany…

Andy: Every DVD we ever get is delayed here.

Eric: Well, New Zealand runs out of iPods.

Micah: Really?

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Hmmm. Hmmm.

Eric: You can actually go into a store now and they could say that it is capable that they ran out of them in the country.

Micah: Yeah. Well, there is some business strategy to this. We just don’t know what it is. [laughs]

Andrew: Right. Right. [laughs]

Eric: We have contacts, don’t we? Couldn’t we e-mail them?

Chapter-by-Chapter Returns

Andrew: Yeah. We could. I keep forgetting. I don’t think they’ll give a comment. They’ll just be like, “because..” I’ll see, I’ll look into it. All right. That is all we have for emails this week, because we have a segment that we are bringing back this week. I think the last segment, Chapter-by-Chapter segment was Episode 44 it looks like, back in mid-June of 2006.

Eric: That was more than two-thirds of the show ago, so by the first third of what the show is now, Chapter-by-Chapter was gone, out of the scene, zip, out, patouie. Why was that Andrew?

Andrew: Well, ummm, we had mixed feedback about Chapter-by-Chapter originally, and well throughout the thing’s run some people really lpved it, some people didn’t like it so much, so we took a break from it for a while, and then Book 7 came around and we sort of just scrapped it all together. The original plan, I think I remember sitting on the phone with you about this Eric was we were going to start at a certain day, and we were going to doing it so that we could complete every chapter between Books 1 and 6 right before, leading up to the Book 7 release. Was that – wasn’t that the original plan?

Eric: I’m kind of glad we didn’t.

Andrew: Now, I’m glad we didn’t either, because…

Eric: Yeah, it was difficult, especially with the movie being released in conjunction. It was just – we had so many…

Andrew: Other things to talk about.

Eric: I think we did quite well on content.

Andrew: Yeah, we did do well.

Eric: I think we did quite well in content and there were mixed reviews on Chapter-by-Chapter, and it was for very good reason, so what we have decided to do – this was what, Andrew’s idea? Because, well explain about Book 7.

Andrew: Well, it wasn’t even my idea. I mean we have been talking about this for a while, but and then [laughs] it is going to sound like I am trying to blame it on someone, but Micah was suggesting…

Micah: You’re going to say. Yeah, I knew it.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: Micah suggested last week or a couple weeks ago that – okay, we have been thinking about bringing it back. Okay? So shoot me. [laughs] Fine. Call it my idea. Whatever. I don’t care. We are going to bring it back this week. Well, we are going to start where we are going to go through Deathly Hallows. We are going to start with Chapter 1 this week, but we are going to tweak the segment a little bit. We are going to treat it differently, and we are going to take our first shot at it with today’s show, and we think it is going to go pretty well. I do. Micah does. Andy does.

Micah: Yeah, and…

Andy: Sure do.

Eric: I do too.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: So, for this new revamp, and now for new listeners or for those of you who are not terribly familiar with this, we will just do a recap.

Andrew: We do have a lot of new listeners since then, so go for it.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah. We go by – I think what one of the original ideas was between Jamie and myself, we were talking about it once, and we said well wouldn’t it be great – no, no, this wasn’t Jamie’s idea. Wouldn’t it be great if we had a read with all of our listeners where we read a chapter and they read a chapter and each week we talked about it on the show? This would give us sort of endless content, one for each chapter would last forever. It’s the podcaster’s ideal thing. If not for main discussion, it could provide – and it was an interesting idea. In concept it was a bit interesting, and basically what remained was that the MuggleCasters did read a chapter of the first book until we did end up completing the first book.

Andrew: We did.

Eric: What we do, yup, is we read each chapter of the Harry Potter series, and we bring up some key points, discussion topics, and we talk about what happens in the books. Now with Book 7 this will be interesting and different, because it will be a very nice way of – we have done overviews of Book 7. Over the past 20 episodes we have talked about what happened in Book 7, but never at this detail, and never with a complete, well what was it actually? What actually happened? You guys agree?

Micah: Yeah. And I think a lot of new people have asked for this. They want us to go through Book 7 chapter-by-chapter, and so that’s really why it’s coming back, because people want it.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: And it is our segment.

Andrew: And admittedly, we have sort of taken – we’ve sort of gone away from in-depth discussion that we used to do. We haven’t been doing it as much lately. I mean, we’ve been talking about gay characters, and Hairspray

Eric: That’s certainly true.

Andrew: And what Harry Potter conferences are bugging us. So, we’re kind of…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So…

Eric: We have to show them we still got it and we’re not just arrogant, pompous, teenage boys.

Andrew: Gay boys.

Eric: [sarcastically] Gay, teenage boys who like Hairspray and are really happy that – anyway…

Andrew: Let’s go on to the actual segment. Let’s do this.

Eric: Okay. So, before we begin, I wanted to do this Chapter-by-Chapter shortly. Now, I know you guys are thinking, great, great. No, no. Some listeners may or may not know, I mean, I haven’t been on too many episodes – not so many as I used to be, recently, but some listeners may very well know that I didn’t have the fondest, warmest reception to Book 7 initially. I have a vow that I will re-read this book with a keen eye and I will be absolutely – I won’t go easy on it, but I’m going to completely re-envision what I think because we’re going chapter-by-chapter. All the Mugglecasters are doing this every – I don’t know about every show, but we’ll be doing this throughout all of Book 7, and I won’t be biased. We’re going to do it.

Andrew: Okay, sweet.

Eric: I’m really enthused.

Chapter 1: The Dark Lord Ascending

Andrew: So, let’s get right into it. We’re going to start with “The Dark Lord Ascending,” Chapter One.

Eric: Everybody, books open. I believe this a…

Andrew: Yeah, everybody open up your books to page one.

Eric: What page is it in the U.S.?

Andrew: Page one. It’s page one.

Eric: It opens on page ten – or nine, actually, in the U.K. edition.

Andy: Yeah, nine.

Andrew: Fantastic.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: We’re going to start with a basic summary. In short, it’s Voldemort and all of his Death Eaters around one table planning – or, well, listening to Voldemort’s plan to kill Harry Potter. He’s telling his friends, our foes, that he is going to kill Harry Potter himself because he’s made too many mistakes. So, that’s basically how it opens up and our initial thoughts on this chapter, first chapter.

Eric: We’ll go around the table. We’ll go around the table.

Movie-Like Opening

Andrew: Yeah. Let me just start by saying this is a perfect way to open a book. It’s very movie-like.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s a very movie-like opening because it’s very short and find out exactly what the villain in this – I’m just going to call it a film right now – film is going to be trying to do throughout the entire film, and it’s short and sweet…

Eric: You can say text.

Andrew: And it ends with a death. It’s just – it’s so fitting. It’s going to be a perfect movie opening. Next.

Eric: I agree. Micah, what do you think?

Micah: I agree completely, actually. Andrew and I were talking about this before we started the show and saying how awesome of a way this is to open up Deathly Hallows. You know? The Avada Kedavra, the flash of green light and then Voldemort saying, you know, the whole line of “Dinner, Nagini” and you can see it just transferring over to Hedwig’s Theme and that’s how the seventh movie opens up.

Andrew: Hopefully they keep it in. [laughs]

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, if they’re listening now, yeah, you better keep that in.

Andrew: David, David, my buddy.

Eric: I don’t think, though, that they’ll have a problem with this book because this is quite – this is short. This is a short book. In the U.K. edition, isn’t it the third longest book?

Micah: Right.

Eric: I think it’s behind…

Micah: Something like that.

Eric: Yeah. I think it’s behind Book 5 for sure…

Micah: Right, but you can see the movie opening like that, similar, really, to how Goblet of Fire opened up with Frank Bryce being killed.

Eric: Yeah. It’s very, very similar, and also a bit – you get a lot of star power with all of the actors. You’ll see Alan Rickman and Jason Isaacs…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: And all of them – and Ralph Fiennes – right in the very beginning, and it’s a great – you’re right – it’s very movie-esque and very good for the narrative of the text.

Andrew: Have we seen Alan Rickman and Ralph Fiennes on the same scene together yet?

Eric: Have they been together?

Andrew: I don’t think so, have we?

Eric: No, no, not together because they would be…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, no we haven’t.

Andrew: Yeah, that’ll be very cool.

Eric: And Snape wasn’t at the end of Movie 5, as far as I recall.

Andrew: Nope.

Eric: Yep. I can’t wait.

Micah: Andy?

Andrew: Yeah, Andy?

Andy: All right, well, I have to re-preface this by saying Book 7 was my favorite book, so that’s good.

Andrew: Oooh.

The Malfoy Manor

Andy: But I think this was a very good chapter and the thing I really enjoyed about it was something I’ve been wanting to see for a long time, which is the Malfoy Manor. And then we get taken right into it, so, I thought that was fantastic.

Eric: Yep. Yep. We’re at the Malfoy Manor.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s about time.

Eric: Isn’t that awesome? After six books- that’s actually our first point here. After six books of knowing the Malfoys, disliking the Malfoys – well, I don’t know, some people thought Draco was kind of cute, but… [laughs] We’re at the Malfoy Manor. Arthur Weasley has been here. Other characters have been there. This is where Dobby was from, we’re talking, and we mean it. And, guys, what do we see? What do we see? What do we see? What do we have…

Andrew: Voldemort is there!

Eric: Voldemort’s there and, guys, we have – they’re white. They’re sleek. They’re shiny. They’re peacocks.

Micah: [laughs] What?

Eric: The Malfoy Manor has peacocks! Did you guys not find – I find this – I put this as number one on our key points here. Isn’t that awesome? What else about the Manor do you guys find interesting that we’re introduced to in this book or in this chapter?

Andrew: Well, I like how Jo describes it as a handsome manor.

Eric: Yeah, it’s very handsome.

Andrew: “Out of the darkness at the end of the straight drive was glinting…” Yeah, of course we’ve talked about it a million times before, but Jo’s just very descriptive with all of her scenes.

The Prisoner: Ollivander

Eric: No, it’s really written well. I think that’s very demonstrative, and you guys remember in the middle of their talks they – you hear a whine, a moan, a distinct sort of noise, and Voldemort turns to Wormtail and says, “I thought you were keeping our prisoner in line?”

Andrew: Yeah, no, wait a second. What – what was that?

Eric: That was Ollivander.

Andy: That was Ollivander, yeah.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: From underneath, but we don’t know that yet.

Andrew: That makes sense now.

Eric: So, we just spoiled it for all the people who haven’t read Book 7 yet, and were waiting for us to do Chapter-by-Chapter. [aughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Nevermind.

Andrew: Because I was confused because the Hogwarts teacher is the prisoner. I was like, “Why is he running off if the Hogwarts teacher is right there?”

Snape and Yaxley

Eric: Right. Yeah, it was a bit confusing. So, when they go into the room – now this is when you meet Snape and Yaxley, right?

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Snape and the Death Eater Yaxley, who are – they have their wands out at each other. They draw their – and this line worried me, because I think this was released just prior to, like, the week of the seventh book, wasn’t it? This first apparent opening had been leaked?

Andrew: Yeah, it did. Yeah, it did.

Eric: And, just the way Snape says, when asked, “You have news?” Snape says, ” The best.” You know? “Replied Snape.”

Andrew: “The best.”

Eric: That worried me very, very much because this is just after – you have to take yourself back. This is the night of, or the night after, or well, actually quite a bit after, but it’s – it’s just after Snape has killed Dumbledore, and I took it to mean, “Oh no, maybe we were all fooled for thinking Snape was good, because he says… Well, it’s the best, and he’s grinning and he’s like I have the best news of all. I thought he was delivering the news that he had killed Dumbledore, but he wasn’t, so that’s good.


Andrew: Yeah. So, then we get into the house and there’s that floating human figure, and then Jo intros Draco, but doesn’t directly say that it’s Draco. What page is this on?

Eric: She says, “A boy with sleek hair…”

Andrew: Yeah, that’s it

Eric: “…was the only one paying attention to Charity Burbage.”

Andrew: Ah ha! I don’t know about you guys, but I knew right away that was Draco. Who else could it be?

Eric: I read it twice, and then I figured it was him.

Andrew: Really?

Eric: Yeah, because it was like…

Micah: Well, they are in his house.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But it’s interesting that he should be in the Death Eater meeting, not – I mean, I realize that at the end of Book 6 we find out that he’s been inducted as a Death Eater.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But I think it’s – I think it’s quite interesting to have the whole family there, which we’ll get into in a moment.

Andrew: Yes, the whole family thing, and how Voldemort responds. So, Draco, you can tell at this point that Draco is still exactly as he has been. He’s weak, he’s not – he shouldn’t be a Death Eater. He’s scared at the sight of Charity Burbage. Is that how you pronounce his name?

Eric: Yep. Her name.

Andrew: Her name.

Micah: Her name.

Andrew: He’s scared of her floating right there, right in front of him.

Eric: Kind of creepy.

Andrew: Draco’s a wuss. He’s not – he’s not…

Eric: I think he’s realizing…

Andrew: He’s not as great as he thinks he is.

Eric: Yeah. I think he’s realizing, at this point more than ever, he’s in over his head, or at least Charity’s over his head. But…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: He’s in over his head now, and – and he can’t get out. There’s no way out. So, he just has to sit there and look glum, you know? And hope he doesn’t get noticed by Voldemort, as he does.

Andrew: Right. So then they start talking about the Ministry of Magic.

Eric: Yes, they their plan is to…

Micah: I wanted to bring up…

Eric: …overthrow it.

Andrew: Go ahead.

Eric: What’s up?

Snape Blocking Voldemort

Micah: No, I just wanted to bring up one thing that I thought – and it does relate to all this, but when they first started getting into talking about the plan and the news that Snape brought. How Snape sort of conveys that information to Voldemort and how Snape is so very sure about when Harry is being moved. And I’m just going to quote it right here because, you know, this goes back to the whole idea of Voldemort being able to read into Snape’s mind and Snape being so good at locking him out. It says, “His red eyes fastened upon Snape’s black ones with such intensity that some of the watchers looked away, apparently fearful that they themselves would be scorched by the ferocity of the gaze. Snape, however, looked calmly back into Voldemort’s face and after a moment or two, Voldemort’s lipless mouth curved into something like a smile.” So, it’s clear that Snape has to be extremely powerful to do what he’s doing and it shows even in the first chapter of Book 7.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Again, yeah, the Snape thing – no, you’re right. You’re completely right. And Snape – where is Snape? Snape is seated at the “right hand” of Voldemort, literally the chair right beside him. “Severus, I was saving this for you.” As soon as he walks in, he sits at the “right hand” of Voldemort, which is because significant…

Micah: You think he said it like that?

Eric: He said it exactly like that in his…

Andrew: “Oh Severus, come here.”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: in his eyes. What you didn’t know about…

Andrew: “I saved you a seat.”

Eric: No, look, if he’s the next one to come out, I’m leaving, literally. I’m literally – I’m just leaving.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I’m leaving. You’ll hear a door close.

Andrew: No, he was in love with Lily.

Eric: And, yeah. No.

Andrew: We know that.

Eric: Yeah. No, I’m talking Voldemort.

Andrew: Oh, oh, oh.

Andy: He wasn’t in love with anybody.

Eric: [Eric laughs] Okay, anyway. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He’s not capable of love, so I’ll continue to believe that.

Andrew: Straight love.

Eric: No, the right hand of Voldemort, that’s symbolic. So, Snape is so trusted and so powerful, he sits at the right hand of Voldemort. And Voldemort’s got that snake all around him so that’s pretty creepy because the snake – the snake would be – it’s described as being as big as a man’s thigh.

Andrew: Yeah, and the snake will just straight up will kill you.

Eric: And it does in the end.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh, spoiler again. But I mean, snake, Snape and Voldie, right there. That – that’s just ugh. That’s like a bad board meeting gone wrong.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: So they’re talking hostile take-overs.

Capturing Harry

Andrew: Yeah. So, Voldemort saying that he needs to kill off Harry Potter himself and thanks to Snape’s information, he decides – well, he realizes that Harry’s not going to go through Portkey or Floo Powder, so he’s going to catch him right out in person! He’s going to catch him out in broad darkness or daylight. He’s going to catch him. And it’s not going to be through magic because the Ministry of Magic could be watching – or, well, they know that the Ministry could be watching or the Death Eaters. [sighs] So…

Eric: Exactly.

Andrew: So…

Eric: There’s a quote here.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Quote here is “I shall attend to the boy in person. There have been too many mistakes where Harry Potter is concerned. Some of them have been my own. That Potter lives is due more to my errors than to his triumphs.” Lord Voldemort says this in – on page 13 in the UK edition. He says that there have been errors and they’ve been more Voldemort’s fault than they have been due to Harry’s, you know, dumb luck, basically. Voldemort’s…

Micah: That’s…

Eric: .Goes on to say more about this.

Micah: Page six in our U.S. edition.

Eric: Page six? That’s really interesting. Yeah. But yeah, he says that. And then he goes on to it. So, this is sort of setting up that Voldemort is aware of his past failings and is really keen on not making any more mistakes when it comes to Harry Potter.

Micah: I thought that statement was so ironic, though, if you think about.

Eric: Oh, it’s very. It’s very ironic. That’s why…

Micah: Because there he is talking about his mistakes and yet he’s unaware of the fact…

Eric: He’s going to make a boatload.

Micah: Oblivious to the fact of how many more mistakes he’s made and how far along in the process Harry already is.

Eric: Yeah, by the end of this book, he’s going to make a boatload more mistakes.

MuggleCast 121 Transcript (continued)

Infiltrating the Ministry

Andrew: So then, I mean, the next point: the Ministry of Magic. There’s obviously some problems here.

Eric: They’ve confunded – yeah, no, that’s Dawlish who is susceptible to Confundus Charms. They’ve infiltrated in Ministry people. Death Eaters have placed their people and a single missed move will cost Voldemort several weeks if they act too soon on Scrimgeour. But they’ve infiltrated the Ministry. This sets up the rest of the book, some of the – one of the premises.

Voldemort’s Needs a Wand

Andrew: Then comes a little scene with the Malfoys. And Voldemort’s looking for a wand. He needs a wand and he decides that Lucius’ wand would do – would be the one that he needs. So, Lucius is a little reluctant at first. He can’t believe it. And when Voldemort takes the wand Lucius is expecting to receive Voldemort’s. That gets a laugh out of Voldemort. Voldemort LOLs.

[Eric and Andy laugh]

Andrew: And, he’s like, “Yeah, you’re not getting my wand, sorry.” And then Voldemort is like, “Well, you best be appreciative of me being here. Aren’t you not? Are you not?” It takes Bellatrix to reassure Voldemort that they love having him there. “It’s the highest honor,” says Bellatrix.

Eric: “There can be no greater pleasure.”

Andrew: And Voldemort gets all sappy. He’s like, “Oh, that means so much for me.”

[Eric laughs]

Eric: No, that’s not sappy.

Micah: He rips her apart.

Eric: He’s saying, “Oh, that means so much coming from you.”

Micah: Whose niece is banging a werewolf.

Andrew: Well, yeah but…

Eric: Yeah. [laughs] Banging a werewolf?

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: I thought that sort of meant he was serious, but I thought the whole Lupin thing was a separate story.

Eric: No, he killed Sirius. Death by curtain.

Back to the Ministry

Andy: One point that I was going to bring up, and sorry to back pedal here, but it’s about the whole Ministry infiltration thing. This is actually the first time in the six intermit books that I, that the thought ever really before crossed my mind where the good guys might not win, you know? Which I thought was interesting.

Andrew: I mean, because once the government is infiltrated, you know, you’re kind of in trouble.

Eric: Yeah, there’s no – it’s just absolutely, and knowing that Voldemort’s a half-blood and listening to him talk about this purity thing, you get the hypocrisy of it all. I think Jo does convey that quite a bit, because this is very personal, well, not very personal, but this is very dangerous, a meeting of the villain of the series at the very beginning of the book talking about purging the world.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Right.

Eric: And that is why they kill Charity Burbage, the Muggle Studies professor, for polluting the minds of Pureblood, namely, wizards. To say that, well, Muggles and wizards should get along. So… What do you think?

Micah: I’d say on the Ministry side of it, though, back to what Andy was saying also is that it’s interesting how Snape sort of plants the seed in Voldemort’s mind that the Order has no trust in the Ministry. And, I just found that also kind of ironic because the Order has never really had much trust in the Ministry even from Book 5 on.

Eric: Right.

Andy: True, yeah.

Micah: I just found that interesting that Snape would sort of throw that out there. And Voldemort’s response was pretty much, “Oh, all the better. He’s going to have to move in the open anyway now, since they don’t trust the Ministry.

Eric: Totally.

Micah: And I just thought that was kind of interesting to play that card.

Andy: Yeah. The Ministry has proved a number of times that they can be pretty incompetent, so, I mean, it’s understandable that the Order doesn’t trust them.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Oh yea, no. But they would have to, it’s also said that they want to protect the house with the best spells that both the Ministry and the Order can think up. So, they do accept the help sort of when they can trust them, or when they can, you know, use the sort of brute force of, or, the numbers, the sheer numbers and governmental support from the Ministry. You know? But they don’t trust them.

Charity Burbage

Andrew: So, then Charity has to take one for the team.

Eric: Hmmm.

Andrew: And has to be killed while Snape just looks on and acts like: sorry, nothing I can do about it. Going to blow my cover. And then that concludes Chapter One. It’s a short chapter and, like we said, it’s going to be a great movie opening. Here’s hoping that they actually keep everything in. That whole Chapter-by-Chapter segment went by pretty quick. Is there anything else you guys want to add about it?

Micah: I had a few things. Sorry.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Micah: I don’t mean to extend it out.

Andrew: God forbid we plan it beforehand, put it in our show planner.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah. Sorry.

Andrew: What do you have to add?

Micah: No, I was just going to bring up the killing scene. Something very interesting. If you go back and you notice what Charity says. Take a look.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It’s a very common line that has been used throughout the course of the series.

Andrew: “Severus, please, please.”

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: It’s the same thing that Narcissa says to Snape in “Spinner’s End.” It’s also the same thing Dumbledore says to Severus before he dies.

Andrew: Yeah. How fitting.

Eric: Oh, “Severus please.” At the will of Severus. At the mercy, rather. At the mercy. At the mercy of.

Andrew: But, you know.

Eric: Yeah. She’s highlighted Snape again.

Andrew: Here’s my thing, though. I guess she’s desperate, she has got to plead with him, but does – even if Snape was willing to be the good guy in that situation, Voldemort would have just killed him. So like, Charity was screwed, she should have known that. But then again…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …I guess you just have to, you know, do whatever you can.

Eric: Well, I think it makes…

Andy: But when you’re about to die…

Andrew: Yeah. Exactly.

Eric: Yeah. I think it makes Snape look better anyway. That she’s like pleading to him. She trusts him as a friend, which just shows how good of, you know, a good guy he played, you know, the part of, that people are turning to him for help and he offers none. And then she dies. Voldemort likes that. Voldemort likes killing her when she’s tortured and her one, you know, supposed ally is just completely impassive and doesn’t do a thing. You know, doesn’t even look at her. That’s what he wants; for his victims to be alone and friendless at the time of their death, just like he will be.

Bellatrix Killing Tonks

Micah: Yeah. I meannother thing I picked up on, which is unrelated to this, was when Voldemort was talking to Bellatrix – and to her about pruning her tree, as far as the Black family tree was concerned and she’s the one who ends up killing…

Eric: Yeah, he’s not talking about horticulture. Voldemort is not a horticulturist, as far as we know.

Micah: Yeah, well there’s…

Eric: And by pruning…

Micah: Yeah, well, there’s plenty of other ways you could go with that too, but I’m not going to get into that.

Andrew: [laughs] Hey, let’s not.

Micah: [laughs] Yeah, my point was, she’s talking about killing Tonks very early on and we all know that’s what ends up happening.

Eric: And that’s interesting that we mentioned Remus Lupin, because isn’t Lupin… Now, when I read this, I was concerned, because Voldemort – it’s of Voldemort’s attention that Remus Lupin (the half-breed werewolf) has married Nymphadora Tonks. Now, I don’t know how secret the Order thought they should have kept it, but they clearly, I mean, if Voldemort knows that Remus Lupin is not a good werewolf, why – I was worried for Remus basically in this book, because if he’s still doing undercover things with the werewolves, trying to fit in, Voldemort could stop that with a single word. He could just tell them that Remus is not, no matter what, a good werewolf on the bad side to be swayed, and he should be killed, and they would kill him the next time they saw him. You know what I’m saying?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: But he was spending time with Tonks at home, so I don’t think he was anymore within the werewolves than like he was in Book 6, so I don’t think his assignment continued, I guess. So, any other points or favorite lines from the series?

Favorite Quotes

Andrew: Yeah, there was another part of Chapter-by-Chapter we’re going to start doing now. But, I mean, we did go through the one, “I shall attend to the boy in person.” I think we also mentioned “Dinner and Nagini” is also a great one. Great movie closer for Hedwig’s Theme; the fade in, as Nagini’s slithering down…

Eric: Hmmm, twisted. Wouldn’t that be really twisted? Hedwig’s Theme like… [sings Hedwig’s Theme in a distorted manner]

Andrew: [laughs] It’s like the remix. I hope that they include the line, “Draco fell out of his chair onto the floor.”. I have a hard time actually picturing Draco just straight up fall out of his chair onto the floor just by seeing a dead body…

Eric: Well, you’ve got to realize it’s a human body. It weighs at least 150, 130, something like that.

Andrew: But the body didn’t push him over.

Eric: Well, no, but it’s a resounding crack on a – I assume it’s a mahogany table, so maybe it didn’t make that large of a crack, but that’s pretty creepy.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: A whole body just falling right in front of you like literally – that’s – that’s not…

Andrew: Yeah, I guess.

Mysterious Character

Micah: There was one other thing that I was wondering about in this chapter.

Eric: Whats up?

Micah: And it’s actually a character who is never given any sort of identification. In the beginning, I thought it was Slughorn, but I guess in the end it turned out not to be. It’s on page four in this chapter in the American edition, and they talk about “a squat man sitting a short distance from Yaxley,” and they say that he gave “a wheezy giggle.” That just kind of reminded me of Slughorn.

Eric: Ho, ho.

Micah: It was just that he was never identified as a specific character. I mean, I’m sure he could be some random Death Eater, but…

Eric: Hey, what’s the quote? Find some quotes right around it if you can.

Micah: I said – it says, “The Order’s got one thing right then, eh?”, referring to the fact that they had infiltrated the Ministry.

Andrew: You don’t think it was Pettigrew?

Micah: No.

Eric: Nah, he wouldn’t speak like that.

Micah: I guess it could’ve been.

Eric: Like, I thought it was too.

Andrew: It could be. It may be. “He gave a wheezy giggle that was echoed here and there along the table.”

Andy: I thought it was one of the Carrows. Amycus or Alecto.

Andrew: Yeah. It is kind of strange, though, that Jo wouldn’t even go on to mention him, whoever this “him” was. But I mean, ’cause then she does bring out Wormtail.

Eric: Ladies and gentlemen, this is page 12 in the U.K. edition – top of page 12.

Andrew: [laughs] See, the other thing about this segment is that we sort of think out loud. And we go through, you know.

Back to Favorite Quotes: Bellatrix

Eric: Yeah. My quote was just this really brilliant line about Bellatrix when he first – after Bellatrix assures Voldemort that there is no greater pleasure than his presence in their family’s home. After she says it, there’s actually a line Jo Rowling writes: “Where Narcissa sat, rigid and impassive, Bellatrix leaned towards Voldemort, for mere words could not demonstrate her longing for closeness.” That is a brilliant character line for Bellatrix.

Micah: Does she not get any from her husband or something? [laughs] I mean…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Bellatrix does – oh, well, I don’t know.

Micah: Yeah, she’s married.

Eric: [sighs] Is that an actual question? Does Bellatrix get any?

Micah: [laughs] Well, I mean, look at the quote.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Well, yeah, no, no. Yeah, it’s true.

Micah: Get Rodolphus…

Eric: “For mere words could not demonstrate…”

Micah: …some Viagra or something.

Eric: “…her longing for closeness.” [laughs] Maybe there’s no magical solution yet. What would the Latin be? Think about it. Erectus? What, you know…

Micah: [laughs] I guess.

Eric: [laughs] Magna – no, erectus maxima, yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I don’t know. I don’t know, man.

Micah: Engorgio, maybe.

Eric: [laughs] Engorgio. No, no, Micah, that serves a different purpose. Jesus.

Micah: [laughs] What purpose is that?

Eric: To make it bigger.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: Not harder, but bigger.

[Andy laughs]


Andrew: Okay, well this concludes Chapter-by-Chapter for this week. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it. And we want to encourage everyone to send in their feedback about Chapter 1, the things that we discussed, and we’ll get to them next weekend in the listener rebuttals and…

Eric: As well as style. Style, too. If you have any ideas about what we should kind of do to tweak it…

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: …and to change it, see if we do – because we did

Andrew: We’re still…

Eric: We did summary, key points, and favorite lines.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: We’ll follow an outline better…

Andrew: Yeah, we’ll follow an outline.

Micah: …for next week.

Andrew: And Micah will actually include his stuff, and…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, the idea was to pick like the top five plot points and then just discuss those instead of just going all over the place, because that way we can just focus on the big stuff. And maybe we can include a little part, something called, like, “A Little Thing” or “The Little Things,” but I don’t know. It’s just hard…

Eric: Yeah, right. Yeah, no, I think it was accurate. And it was easy to pull five things from this chapter and talk about them.

Andrew: Okay, well…

Eric: It’s such a short chapter, so…

Andrew: Next week, we will be discussing Chapter 2, “In Memoriam.” This is a good chapter because it comes with Rita Skeeter’s article about Albus Dumbledore, and that was a good read.

Eric: Nice intro, yeah.

Andrew: So, let’s get to that next week. Read it beforehand, everyone, and then you can all follow along as we discuss it. It’s sort of fun and interactive.

Eric: Absolutely.

Andrew: Next week, Chapter 2. Isn’t it great holding, like – I get real pleasure out of just holding this book. It’s in pristine condition, like, just the shape and the – it’s just a beautiful work of art. [laughs]

Eric: I have the one that you guys all signed…

Andrew: Awww.

Eric: …so I’m really happy about that.

Andrew: That’s cute.

Micah: I didn’t sign it.

Eric: Well, Micah, you should’ve come to London.

Andrew: Everyone who was there.

Micah: You said, “You all.” I don’t think Andy signed it, did you, Andy?

[Andrew and Andy laugh]

Andy: Eric actually signed my Half-Blood Prince book, anyway.

Eric: Okay, Andrew, I have the copy that you signed. Yeah, man, that’s awesome.

HUH!? Facebook Message of the Week

Andrew: Hey, let’s move on to – I didn’t have a HUH?! E-mail of the Week, but I actually just got this Facebook message and I feel like I have to read it. It’s time for my HUH?! Facebook Message of the Week. I’m going to leave this person nameless because that would just be embarrassing. The message says:

First, I just wanted to say your podcast is still great. I had my doubts when the final book came out that you could keep it going with good material, and I’m happy to see that you guys are still number one in my book. When I’m bored in class, hung over, et cetera…


…I pop in my headphones and listen to you guys discuss everything about Harry. It’s the best way to get through my day. But to get to my question, I’m going to be in New Jersey next weekend, and I’ll be carrying killer bud. And judging by your profile picture, you might have at least tried the wacky tobacky. I would just be honored…

[Eric laughs]

…to give a nice free sample, as much as you want, to my favorite talk-show host and actually meet you. I just want to apologize now if you don’t smoke, my bad, but if you do, hey, free bud. Get back to me. Oh, and hope you had a great, Happy Thanksgiving. Peace!

The name of the person. Ummm….

Andy: Wow. [laughs]

Andrew: Please give me a call, and we’ll discuss where to meet.

Eric: Where to drop the shipment of wacky tobacky.

Andrew: No, it was supposed to be a joke. You’re all supposed to laugh [laughs] because I don’t smoke that – no, seriously, I just thought it was funny because I don’t smoke.

Eric: Well, good on you.

Andrew: So, I’m making in known.

Eric: In the mean time, you can forward them to…

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: That’s a nice offer, though. I like when listeners offer free stuff, even if it’s something I’m not interested in. [laughs]

Eric: I think it’s a bizarre insight into the kind of illegal things that rock stars like us can get into pretty easy.

Andrew: But choose not to, kids. Wink.

Eric: Yes, that’s right. [laughs]

Andrew: Okay, well, yeah. Thanks to him.

Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul

Andrew: We’ll wrap things up today with a Chicken Soup for the
MuggleCasters’ Soul.

Andy: Today’s Chicken Soup comes from Amy, age 21, of Portland, Oregon.

I’m pretty sure you do not hear often enough that without you, someone couldn’t have gotten through all the brain-slicing they had to do. I put on old episodes on one of the computers in our lab while I made endless numbers of slices of rat brain for the last month (for cell counts for my research – if we come up with ways to preserve brain function after injury, everyone gets to thank ‘Harry Potter’).

So, obviously she wasn’t doing it for fun, but…

[Eric laughs]

You guys are great, thanks for helping me get through my thesis! Amy. Interesting.

Andrew: That’s so gross.

Eric: Sliced up rat brain. Now, you’re trying to maintain brain function, if I can get this correctly, after injury. But I don’t know that it should be after injury. It should be after you cut the brain up into fifteen pieces and put it on slides, right? Because that’s a bit strange.

Show Close

Andrew: I think that wraps up today’s show. It was a good show.

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: I like this show.

Micah: It was a good show.

Andrew: Quick thing about the Wall of Fame. I actually haven’t checked the e-mail submissions yet for that. But we’ll work on that soon, get a complete Wall of Fame. Probably have some results next week. Let’s give you all of our contact information. If you’d like to send us some parcel mail, you can mail that to:

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Andy: Yep, if you’re so inclined to do so.

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Micah: Ouch!

[Everyone laughs]

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Eric: If you have an iPhone, do you just have to push the screen a few times to get new podcasts?

Andrew: No, you can’t download. There is the WiFi iTunes store, but you can’t download podcasts yet, which is kind of strange.

Eric: No kidding?

Andrew: Yeah, there is some illegal software for the iPhone that lets you download podcasts and listen to them right on your phone without using the computer, but it’s not as good as iTunes, so…

Eric: It’s not yet legal yet.

Andrew: Yeah. It will be soon.

Eric: Well, guys. That was good.

Andrew: That was the show. That was a show.

Micah: Yeah. I was going to say now, also, just a reminder for people to send in stuff for Chapter 2 so we can respond to it right away on the show.

Eric: Oh yeah! Yeah, no, totally. That’s a great idea. Go and read Chapter 2 and see what you think. Should we say specific topic or subject of the e-mail when they send them in?

Micah: No, I mean, just – yeah, that’s probably a good idea.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Just, “Chapter-by-Chapter,” maybe.

Andrew: Well, put, “Chapter-by-Chapter – Chapter 2.” Or, “Chapter-by-Chapter – Chapter 1.”

Eric: Yeah, “/Page 5,” and enter page, paragraph number, quote number…

Andrew: Well, I don’t know [laughs] if you have to do all that. I’m just talking about…

Eric: And be sure to check it twice because if it’s incorrect, we will be reading it aloud and you’ll look stupid. No, I’m joking.

[Show music begins]

Eric: And – that was good. And guys, what was I going to say? Ummm. Um, um, um, um. I don’t know, forget it. Oh yeah, send in your Christmas cards, too!

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Eric: It’s about that time of the year where we get Christmas cards to the P.O. Box, and they will, I think, all be forwarded. Laura’s mother will be rushing around to get us all our Christmas cards on time. So, send some more in. Thanks to Laura’s mom for doing that.

Andrew: I’m looking forward to the Christmas episodes. They’re always fun ones. And the New Year’s one. They’re always good.

Eric: Totally, totally.

Andrew: Yeah, so.

Eric: Didn’t we – yeah, we synced it up last year.

Andrew: Yes, yes.

Eric: Very nice.

Andrew: Real quick before we wrap up the show today, I want to say that I talked to Jamie a little bit ago, and he said he may be able to come on next week for next week’s show. So, maybe he’ll be back a little earlier than we thought. So, that’s all good news for all you Jamie fanboys. I mean girls. Or boys.

Eric: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Goats.

Andrew: Or goats.

Eric: Well, I may not be here because of my trip to the South Island. I may or may not be able to.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Eric: But I’ll definitely see how Chapter-by-Chapter turns out without me.

Andrew: Cool. Okay, well, thank you, everyone for listening. Once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

Andrew: Once again, Andy’s from HarryPotterFanZone.com. Thanks for joining us, Andy.

Andy: It’s all right, no problem.

Andrew: And we’ll see everyone next week for Episode 122. Bye bye!

Micah: Bye!

Eric: See ya!

Andy: Bye!


Episode 121: Bellatrix Needs Some Love

  • Harry Potter theme park update.
  • JK Rowling named Entertainer of the Year.
  • Ian McKellen discusses why he didn’t become Dumbledore.
  • In fact, it’s good that he wasn’t Dumbledore. Andrew explains.
  • MuggleMail covers Potter in schools, Potter’s influence on reading, and HD/Blu-Ray DVDs.
  • Chapter by Chapter returns!
  • We give a brief history and explain what we’re doing this time.
  • First segment: Chapter 1, The Dark Lord Ascending.
  • Is Bellatrix leading a less-than-exciting love life?
  • Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul.
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Transcript 120

MuggleCast 120 Transcript

Show Intro

[Intro music begins]

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Andrew: Today’s MuggleNet podcast is brought to you by Borders. In May, thousands of Harry Potter fans descended upon New Orleans for the Phoenix Rising Conference. Borders was there to take in the sites and share a lively discussion of the series that has bewitched the world with some of Harry’s most dedicated fans. Listen in and watch the action yourself. Check out The Phoenix Rising Borders Book Club discussion at BordersMedia.com/HarryPotter, or click on the Borders banner at the top of the MuggleNet page.

[Show music begins]

Micah: Because I wholeheartedly approve of – well, you’ll just have to wait and see, this is MuggleCast Episode 120 for November 18th, 2007.

[Show music continues]

Andrew: Okay, we’re back for another week of MuggleCast, and we have two guests here this week. Mikey, first up. Mikey’s back after not being on for awhile.

Mikey: Yeah, you know. I was sleeping.

Andrew: Mikey, working on any big known projects lately?

Mikey: Yeah, that’s actually…

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: Yes, actually.

Mikey: Actually, that’s why I haven’t been around, you know. I’ve been busy. Been busy busy. Yeah, you can see my name in the credits of a feature film called The Red Canvas. That should be released sometime next year. I’m Assistant Editor on that. I get to work the night shift. So my day starts at like 8:00 at night and then I work until 2, 3 in the morning, which is really nice. Not really because I’m there all by myself in this cramped room, but it’s got a really cool computer, and I sit there and watch footage and log clips and, you know…

Andrew: That’s awesome.

Mikey: …all the fun stuff

Andrew: Logging fun. Love logging.

Mikey: Oh yes, you know. You know, that’s how it goes.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: But, you know, yeah.

Andrew: And also this week, making his MuggleCast debut, is Andy McCray from Australia.

Andy: Hey.

Mikey: Andy! Woo!

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Sorry. And the girls go wild. Aah!

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikey: Sorry, Andy, it’s Mikey.

Andrew: We needed an Eric replacement, someone down in that general area.

Andy: You hit it pretty well straight on then.

Andrew: Andy, you’re the webmaster of what website?

Andy: I’m webmaster of HarryPotterFanZone.com.

Andrew: J.K. Rowling Site Award Winner recently. Is it the most recent?

Andy: Yep. It is and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: …still holding, luckily.

Andrew: Awesome. Awesome. [laughs] Until the next website.

Mikey: You know what I like about HarryPotterFanZone? It was one of the first sites I found, and what I like about it is they actually have the sheet music to the Harry Potter music up there.

Andy: Yeah. That’s good.

Andrew: Oh, really?

Mikey: That’s like – that’s old, but yeah. That was like my first bookmarked Harry Potter webpage at one point.

Andrew: Oh, that’s cool. Yeah. I’ve been visiting HarryPotterFanZone for awhile, too. Well, we got a lot of e-mails to go through this week. And also, there’s plenty of news to discuss. I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: I’m Mikey B.!

[Laura laughs]

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

[Show music continues]


Andrew: Micah Tannenbaum is in the MuggleCast News Center with the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories. Hey, Micah.

Micah: All right. Thanks, Andrew. With the Order of the Phoenix DVD having been released earlier this week in the United Kingdom, fans have uploaded the two Half-Blood Prince sneak peak clips online. The first clip, entitled “Quidditch Back In Style,” focuses on what Harry, Ron, and Draco’s uniform will look like in the sixth film. The head costume designer said that this year it’s more dangerous and that she took some inspiration from American football. The second clip is an interview with production designer, Stuart Craig, in which he talks about the creation of the orphanage where Tom Riddle lived, making a point of it not being a nice place. Warner Bros. has revamped the official Order of the Phoenix site in preparation for the DVD’s December 11th launch in the U.S. so be sure to head on over and take a look. MTV has published an article on the recently released Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix DVD which contains a special feature of the fifth film’s deleted scenes. The clip also includes two new interviews with the production designer, Stu Craig, and director David Yates.

CBBC has revealed that Jessie Cave, having only starred in a TV film called Summerhill, will be playing Lavender Brown in Half-Blood Prince. Jessie is twenty years old. It is not known if she attended the open auditions for Lavender, which were held earlier this year. She may have auditioned separately for the part. Warner Bros. announced earlier this week that nine year old Hero Fiennes Tiffin is playing the role of the young Tom Riddle at age eleven, while sixteen year old Frank Dillaine is the playing the teenage Riddle who is already on the path to becoming evil Lord Voldemort. WB has also said that casting for the sixth Harry Potter film, Half-Blood Prince has now completed.

The BBC recently conducted an interview with Harry Potter actor, Daniel Radcliffe, where he talked about filming for Half-Blood Prince and what he thought of Deathly Hallows amongst other things. Dan acknowledged he didn’t read the seventh book until about four days after it came out, so he was walking around with his fingers in his ears. Luckily, it wasn’t spoiled for him.

A news that shouldn’t surprise anyone: Deathly Hallows was named the best book of 2007 by Amazon.com. From the online warehouse: “Was there any doubt? The final episode of the most popular series in publishing history, J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows leads our list of the 100 Top-Selling Books on Amazon.com during 2007. They were ranked according to customer orders through October. Only books published for the first time in 2007 were eligible.”

Finally, when schools begin to slack off in academic achievement, who do they turn to? One school in Nottingham, England went to Harry Potter and came up with the idea of Potter-themed classes. Since then, they’ve seen a turn around in performance. The theme-based approach has catalyzed a dizzying rise in academic achievement at Robert Mellors. Three years ago it was languishing in the bottom quarter of English schools; it has since vaulted into the top twenty-five.

That’s all the news for this November 18, 2007 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah.

Micah: You’re welcome.

Andrew: Micah, there’s been good hot topics this week. Nothing as controversial as what we’ve been discussing recently, but…

Micah: What would that be?

Andrew: …guess we – gay characters, fan sites going against J.K.R. That’s all.

Laura: All that good stuff.

News Discussion: Harry Potter In School

Andrew: First up, a new feature from TIME Magazine. TIME Magazine did a feature on Harry Potter in schools. And first of all, I had to say, I was really proud of this. I made this news post and then went to get the link. It was post number 1337. Do you guys know what that means?

Mikey: Yup.

Laura: Nope.

Andrew: Elite.

Mikey: I understand that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: You’re elite, Andrew, you’re elite!

Andrew: I’m elite! [laughs]

Mikey: You’re elite, buddy.

Andrew: I sent that to Kevin right away and he was like, “I don’t get it!”

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: It’s elite! He was like, “Ohh!”

Mikey: Andrew Sims is the big hackster, guys.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: You know.

Andrew: I can’t wait for post 8008.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Hopefully I’m going to make that one.

Mikey: What about 80085?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Whoa!

Andrew: That’s just inappropriate.

Laura: Oh.

Mikey: Oh, I’m sorry.

[Andrew laughs]

Andrew: So TIME Magazine did this feature on Harry Potter in schools. And basically what it featured – it was this school in England – Nottingham, England – and this school had some decreasing performance rates. This school was about to go under. And then – it was in the bottom quarter of English schools, and then it skyrocketed to the top 25% just by starting to use Harry Potter in the classroom more, making their classes more Harry Potter-themed. Like, they would sort the kids into Houses with points and stuff. Then this school explodes! So I’m wondering, I thought it would be a good time to bring up how in American schools, maybe even in Australia, and I’m sure in other schools in England, so many people – so many kids in English class hate their curriculum. And do you guys think that if Harry Potter started becoming part of the English American curriculum there would be improvements?

Laura: I think so, and I don’t think it’s just Harry Potter. I think it’s using other books that have the same appeal that the Potter books have. I think the big problem with English curriculum in the public school system is that they choose the most boring books on the face of the Earth to read.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: Like, I’m sorry, nobody enjoys Huck Finn or Tom Sawyer.

Mikey: Okay, okay, you know what? You know what?

Laura: I haven’t met one person who enjoyed either of those books.

Mikey: Miss Laura Thompson, I enjoyed Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer. And you’ve got to understand, these books are amazing! They really are. Plus…

Andrew: They are classics.

Laura: It’s – they are classics, and I’m not denying that.

Mikey: Plus Huck Finn is banned in the U.S. anyway because it’s got racist connotations. So…

Andrew: Yeah, Yeah.

Mikey: So Tom Sawyer is readable in schools, but Huck Finn isn’t. And then you’ve got to remember J.T.T. was in Tom and Huck, and that’s amazing.

Andrew: Even – not even those stories, but I can’t even remember the titles of some of the stories that I read in my English class, but one time one of the students brought up in my class – she was just like, to our teacher who was a bit of a, you know, a hard-butt. He was like – the student said to him, “Why can’t we read something that actually interests us, like Harry Potter?” And he was like, “Oh, well Harry Potter is a children’s book. You won’t learn anything from that.” But, I mean, if you just listen to our shows – I mean, you could just play 100 of our shows in an English class and that could be an entire curriculum.

Mikey: Wow.

Andrew: What?

Mikey: MuggleCast as an English curriculum? Really?

Andrew: Yeah. Wouldn’t that be cool? I know there are some Harry Potter clubs in schools that will play our podcasts from time to time.

Mikey: That’s cool.

Andrew: For an activity. Yeah.

Micah: Don’t you think…

Andrew: But I just think – what?

Micah: I was just going to say, don’t you think that could run into problems similar to Laura Mallory across the U.S. when they’re going to come out and say that they don’t want witchcraft being taught in school?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Well then…

Micah: People are going to bring it up to the board.

Laura: They have the right to have their children removed from that class or assigned a different reading assignment.

Andrew: Yeah. And I mean…

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: …I’ve never read Beowulf, but that’s sort of a magical tale, isn’t it?

[Laura groans]

Andrew: It’s fantasy, right?

Laura and Mikey: Yeah.

Laura: It’s really – I mean, I’m not trying to degrade all of these classics, but there is something to be said for the time that they were written in, the style, put into a modern classroom, puts kids asleep.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: I’m not going to lie.

Mikey: I agree with…

Andrew: It’s so boring.

Mikey: I agree with Laura completely, but I think Beowulf – I didn’t read that until probably about freshman or sophomore year in high school.

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: I think at the time, because we were studying that type of literature, that’s when we were reading the Shakespeare stuff – I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read The Tempest throughout my high school in all the different classes, deconstructing it. But it’s at that time period – those books are definitely appropriate. I’m thinking more elementary school, definitely Harry Potter and other books of that sort would be more interesting to the students. Because I remember reading 1984 in eighth grade, and I loved it. It was right at the time that I was trying to get into politics. I loved the message. I definitely think they should focus on books and definitely change the curriculum because you can’t read The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe three years in a row from second grade to fourth grade. You really can’t.

Laura: Which everyone does.

Mikey: Yeah, yeah. Everyone does.

Andy: It depends really…

Andrew: I haven’t read that book either. Sorry, Andy, go ahead.

Andy: It depends what age range you’re sort of talking at. Primary school, elementary school, kids probably would love studying Harry Potter, but if you’re in high school or something, are people going to treat it the same way?

Laura: I don’t know, they read Harry Potter at the high school I went to.

Andrew: Really? Yeah, I think that would just be unheard of if we read it in my school.

Mikey: Well, just also…

Andy: Same with my school.

Mikey: Well there’s college classes dedicated to Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Deconstructing the universe, using the pros. So there are definitely reasons that Harry Potter is good for all age levels. And each person is going to get something different out of it. I remember growing up as a kid, and again, going back to my Star Wars, I loved the Star Wars series because it was flashy and exciting. But as I got older, I started to see the story arcs, all of the different stuff. Same thing with Harry Potter. I started reading it when I was much older. I didn’t get into it really young. Unlike Emerson, I didn’t get into it when I was young. I read Book 1 through 6 in a span of two weeks.

Micah: Right.

Mikey: And by doing that, one, I devoured it the first reading by – just the story that was amazing. Then I started going back and kind of what MuggleCast does, I deconstructed everything and started going, oh and this, and then of course the theories started following after that. And then there are still theories that I have, but those will be another day.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Another day when it’s MikeyCast! I mean, no.

[Everyone laughs]

[Mikey does an evil laugh]

Micah: I’m kind of in the same boat as Mikey, though, because I didn’t read the books until I was older either, until I was in college. The other thing I was going to bring up, though, talking about college courses, I know that some of the incoming freshmen classes while I was in college had to read Sorcerer’s Stone. Now, I don’t know if they read that because they were going to debate the impact of it on society as a whole and that kind of a thing, but I know for a fact that they had to read it.

Laura: Interesting.

Micah: So it is being pushed at the college level, as well.

Laura: Yeah, and I think there’s something to be said for the way classes are taught, too, because I recently read Dracula in one of my classes here, and when I was reading it here I was like, wow, I would have hated this in high school…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …because in high school I would have been forced to read it and come in and just take a test on it, whereas in my college classes we have whole discussions about underlying themes and things that would have never gotten talked about in high school because they would’ve been deemed too controversial. So I think that’s the problem with the public schools, is that they’re underestimating what children can handle. And when I say children I mean anybody aged elementary through high school.

Andrew: Yeah. But I mean even if we get back to Harry Potter, I think the big concern is most schools see Harry Potter as too much of a children’s book and you couldn’t go in depth. And maybe it’s not even the schools themselves; it could be the teachers too that think it’s just a children’s book.

Mikey: You know, I don’t think…

Andy: Well, the teachers need to know the books as deeply as we do. I don’t think they really know them as much as us fans do. So they’re not really going to be teaching stuff that is going to be hard, you know?

Mikey: You know, Andrew, I don’t think it would necessarily be the teachers, because I know if you go to any of the Harry Potter conventions, it’s filled up with teachers.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: I think it’s more the parents of the students going, oh, why is my kid reading Harry Potter? That’s a children’s book and he’s in sixth grade. Or she’s in sixth grade, seventh grade.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Shouldn’t she be learning something more?

Andrew: That’s true.

Mikey: But I don’t know about you, but I have a really close relationship with my family. But even growing up I know for a fact my mom and dad never really payed that much attention to my school homework. If I needed help, they would help me, but they don’t know what books I was reading completely for school. Like, yes, they bought them, but they didn’t go any further. Half the time they hadn’t read some of them, you know. My mum wasn’t able to – couldn’t help me after sixth grade math homework – you know, started getting to algebra and everything. She just didn’t want to deal with it anymore; it was getting too difficult for her to handle. It was just too much effort for them to keep up with what I was learning at the time. And now, going to college, finishing up now, some of the stuff I’ve had to read and deconstruct, my parents are just like – my dad would be like, okay I’ll read the book because you say it’s a good book, because I’ll recommend it to him, but my mum would be like, yeah it doesn’t interest me. It’s a different story. I don’t like it. You know. So I think…

Andrew: I think something – go ahead.

Mikey: I was going to say, I can definitely see it being more parents if schools issued Harry Potter books as required reading…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …you know? Yes, it’s required reading. I definitely think it would be great for a family thing to start reading it together or students reading it, but I think it’s going to be more parents – especially in the U.S. – back-lashing, you know, this is a children’s book, because it’s been dubbed a children’s book by so many.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And the parents – especially for the families that don’t read – because, again, you know, our society is so engrossed in media, you know: TV, movies, you know, Internet, everything – that there’s really not much reading going on. That’s why – you know – Harry Potter‘s been such a big phenomenon, because it’s getting kids to read. But parents haven’t read Harry Potter.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And by kids being required to, it’s like, this is a children’s book. Why are my kids reading it?

Andrew: Yeah. I think something else hurting it too, is also the movies now. I mean, Harry Potter‘s really commercialized. So if you took it in a serious class, something that might make teachers or schools hesitate is the fact that, oh, well, they’ll just watch the movies and try to catch up on the reading that way. I mean, because that’s what I’ve always…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: There’s been a couple times. Well, there’s been a couple of books in, like, middle school or high school that we’ve read, and the teacher’s even like, yeah, this was made into a movie. And then we’re like, hmm, we should just watch the movie. I mean – but you can’t learn that way at all if you watch the movie, so…

Laura: Yeah. I was going to say.

Andrew: …but still, Harry Potter‘s so commercialized, I would think you really can’t take it as seriously as, say – not Beowolf now that the movie’s out – but, you know…

Mikey: Lord of the Rings?

Andrew: …just any classic tale. Or Lord of the Rings, yeah.

Mikey: I had to read that in high school.

Andy: But like – I don’t know if the vibe is like this in the U.S. around Harry Potter – but like every time we have a book or a movie release here they’ll have it all over the papers.

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Andy: And the front page will be like a picture of a four year-old with glasses.

Andrew: Exactly, yes.

Andy: They kind of try and dumb it down. This is like a three year-old’s book when the real fans are our age.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s a great point. That’s why so many people are always like, oh, it’s a children’s book. It’s a little kid’s book.

Mikey: You know, Andy, I agree with you on that, that they’re trying to dumb it down as a children’s book, but I can’t really – you can’t really say that the real fans are our age. You know, there’s fans at every age.

Andrew: Yeah.

Andy: I suppose so.

Mikey: I remember at the bookstore there was like a two year-old – you know, three year-olds just walking around with their mom. And they’re dressed up as Harry Potter. You know they love the movies. You know they love their moms reading the books to them. They’re huge fans of it.

Andrew: Yeah, but they don’t understand. They don’t understand – they don’t understand what’s happening in the books. There’s no way. [laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, I know, but I’m just saying to stop the e-mails from coming in, we don’t think that only fans that are older are true fans. Everybody can be a fan. See, I’m being political now, Andrew. I’m taking care of these e-mails. I don’t want Andy to get the e-mails.

Andy: Everyone can be a fan. Everyone can take something out of it.

Mikey: No, definitely. I agree. Everyone can be a fan coming out of it. I just don’t want hundreds of e-mails saying, “What are you guys talking about? I’m a true fan and I’m only twelve.” But, you know, I know you guys are fans. Everyone’s a fan.

Andrew: We have some very intelligent younger listeners. Ages ten, eleven, twelve. Very smart. Scares me how smart. Smarter than me.

Mikey: [laughs] Well, that’s not very hard, Andrew, at all.

News Discussion: Casting

Andrew: I’m not kidding. That could be true. Another news story: WB confirmed the rest of the cast for Half-Blood Prince. All the usuals are there: Alan Rickman…I stop at Alan Rickman.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Daniel Radcliffe, maybe. Emma Watson.

Andrew: They were confirmed a while ago. Evanna Lynch was confirmed, although that was nothing new. David Bradley, Warwick Davis, Robbie Coltrane.

Mikey: That’s what I was going to ask. Mr. Coltrane. It wasn’t Ben Schoen? It wasn’t Ben Schoen. That’s good.

Andrew: No, Ben was not cast. He tried, but not this year.

Mikey: [imitating Ben imitating Hagrid] Rubeus Hagrid!

Andrew: Tom Felton, Michael Gambon, Maggie Smith, Julie Walters, Matt Lewis, Bonnie Wright, etc etc. And then also we have three new casting announcements that were made this week. The first one was confirmed by CBBC earlier this week. It was Jessie Cave, but we’ll get to her in one minute. There were two other people: Hero Fiennes-Tiffin is playing the role of young Tom Riddle. He’s nine years-old but he’s playing the eleven year-old Tom Riddle. And then Frank Dillane, I believe is how you pronounce his last name. He’s sixteen years-old. He’s playing teenage Tom Riddle. So there were some rumors suggesting that Ralph Fienne’s nephew, I guess it is, was to be getting this role and then, of course, it was confirmed and then this Frank Dillane. All three of these new casting announcements – these actress and actors – are brand new to the filming industry. They’ve had one or two small projects. I know Frank Dillane and Jessie Cave have both had one. I don’t think Hero has had one. Hero’s such a cool name.

Mikey: Is that how you pronounce it? Hero?

Andrew: It’s probably not. It’s probably [pronounces Hair-O] Hero. Hero.

Andy: It’s such a cool name. I thought when I first read that, like, is he a hero or is that just his name?

Andrew: Yeah, I wasn’t sure either.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Can you imagine going to grade school and getting the super sticker because you did a good job, “You’re a super hero!” Yeah! That’d be so cool.

Andrew: Hey, Hero. You’re ego would be so high all the time. Hey, Hero.

Mikey: When I see Hero, I’m like looking at the word right now or his name, I think Hiro from the show Heroes. I just want to jump and go [screams like Hiro].

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: I don’t know if you ever watch Heroes.

Andrew: No, no, I haven’t. [laughs]

Mikey: I actually jumped up and down in my room.

Andrew: [laughs] But – so there’s this new girl Jessie Cave, and Laura brought up to me the other day – I didn’t even know this was really going on – but, Laura, you said there were quite a few people, I guess on MuggleNet or in some message boards or something, complaining, as usual, about another girl who’s been cast because she’s not up to the fans’ standards.

Laura: Yes. And let me just say something.

Micah: She’s up to my standards.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Micah, let’s keep in mind, she’s a – oh, never mind, you’re good. Continue.

Andy: She’s twenty, isn’t she?

Laura: Children listen to this show, Micah.

Micah: Yeah, so take that.

Andrew: She’s twenty. Yeah. Sorry, I thought she was under eighteen. But never mind. Fair game. Go ahead.

Laura: Anyway… [laughs] …something that really, really irks me about our fandom is that any time a girl is casted in these movies all of the girls get together and complain about it. They nit-pick over little stupid things. They find the smallest physical imperfection that they can find and then call this poor girl ugly. And she’s certainly not ugly at all. Furthermore, there’s never been any physical description of what Lavender looks like in the books, so stop complaining. Who cares? Does it matter? You’re all just jealous because she’s going to hook up with Rupert Grint.

[Everyone laughs]

Andy: That’s what I was about to say. They’re all just jealous.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Exactly.

Mikey: I have some friends that are upset with the casting just because they re-cast Lavender Brown.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s the one big thing. Lavender used to be black.

Mikey: That’s the one thing I definitely say, okay, they probably shouldn’t have, considering this girl has played Lavender in quite a few films already.

Laura: Who was she? Because I don’t even remember them addressing her in the film. I think she was just named that way in the credits, right?

Andrew: There is a picture of her.

Mikey: TIME Magazine did a picture of all the Harry Potter characters, and she was also in TIME there. And she was also credited that in two or three of the films, but she’s been in almost all of them, I believe. Again, don’t quote me on that. I’m not looking like at like IMDB right now.

Andrew: I’ll look it up while you talk.

Mikey: But, yeah, I definitely kind of find that – I don’t know what I would say. I guess she didn’t really have the acting ability to pull off the role, because definitely Lavender now has a little bit of a bigger spotlight in this film. But it’s one of those things where, you know, the girl that portrayed her originally was African-American – she was black – and now they cast someone else, and not even the same race, not the same – looks nothing
alike. So if you were following the movies and not the books – because I know there are plenty of people who watch just the movies – and if you watch any of the stuff, you’d be like, “Well, who is this new person in Hogwarts? She hasn’t been there before.” But she’s been a changed person. And they’ve done that before, but it’s really…

Laura: Yeah, they did it with Padma and Parvati, too.

Andy: They did it with Pansy Parkinson, as well.

Laura: Yeah, those were all re-cast.

Andrew: But I don’t see…

Mikey: But it’s just one of those things where – I don’t know – like…

Andrew: I just checked the Goblet of Fire and Chamber of Secrets credits, and I can’t find anyone credited as Lavender Brown. But yeah, you are right, there was that Entertainment Weekly article where there’s a picture of her, and she’s a black girl, and it says, “Lavender Brown, blah, blah, blah.” So, I mean, honestly, nobody’s going to notice, really. I mean, the only reason people are making a fuss about that little part in particular is because of that one picture. It may be – there may be more pictures, but any typical fan – I’m sure WB’s official response if we asked them would be – oh, here it is. Jennifer Smith. She’s credited in the Prisoner of
credits. But that’s the only film she’s ever done. So I think she’s just really an extra.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And, I mean, if you’re an extra, you can’t…

Laura: I think they…

Andrew: …be an actress. [laughs]

Laura: I think they just use that as an excuse to throw her name in the credits, to make it seem like they were casting all of these people, as opposed to just putting…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …Extra One, Extra Two, etc, you know? Like…

Andrew: Maybe there was a reference in Prisoner of Azkaban where Harry’s like, “Oh, Lavender and all them.” And maybe he gestures and she’s over there waving or something.

Laura: I don’t even remember them mentioning Lavender at all in the film. That was kind of…

Andrew: Yeah, I have to watch it again.

Laura: …my big objection to it, when everybody was having this problem with the re-cast. And I’m like, “Well, they didn’t even talk about her.”

Andrew: Mhm. Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah…

Andy: I think it’s weird that they cast such a minor character but they named her, because in Order of the Phoenix there were some minor characters featured in promotional stills, and they were called “slightly creepy but weird.”

[Laura laughs]

Andy: I mean, I don’t know.

Andrew: [laughs] There really was someone called, “Slightly creepy boy”? [laughs] That’s pretty funny.

Mikey: I also like how Nigel magically appeared out of nowhere, so…

Andrew and Laura: Yeah.

Laura: That’s true.

Mikey: So, you know, it’s definitely fine. But I understand people kind of being a little irked about it. And, you know, my biggest thing is – what I respond to them is, “Are you not going to go see the sixth movie?” They’re like, “No, I’m a huge Harry Potter fan.” I’m like, “Exactly.” Let’s see how it turns out. If she does a horrible job then maybe you have a little bit of an excuse to be like, “They should have let that other girl who can act.” But I highly doubt Warner Bros. is going to do something like that. Their job is to get the right people to act. Plus, you know, really – I remember reading in an interview somewhere that Rupert was there helping pick out – I got to say, Rupert’s got good taste.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: She’s very pretty.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: And what I have to say is, ladies, stop sitting here and bashing this poor girl and calling her ugly. Because girls constantly complain about being objectified, but then when you turn around and do it to another girl, you’re just as bad. So stop it.

Andrew: [laughs] Spank, spank, spank! [laughs] Yeah, I’ll go right out there and say she’s hot.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Micah? Mikey? Andy?

Mikey: Hands down! Hands down!

Micah: Clearly.

Mikey: Hands down!

Micah: What did you say, Andy?

Mikey: Hands down!

Andy: I think she’s fine. No problems with her at all.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: Hands down, best casting ever.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: Sorry, guys.

Andrew: You know, Emerson made you say that.

Mikey: If you don’t know where that’s from, go look through some of the MuggleCast archives and you’ll find it.

Andrew: The first live LeakyMug.

Mikey: Yes. Hands down, best movie ever. [imitating Andrew] Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Andrew: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mikey: It’s all right, Simsy, don’t worry.

Andrew: I’ve changed since then. It’s been over two…

Mikey: You’ve grown.

Andrew: When was the Goblet of Fire premiere?

Mikey: I don’t know.

Andrew: That was like November 12th, wasn’t it?

Mikey: I don’t know. I remember listening to the live show at home on my headphones. It was nice.

Andrew: You were like, “Wow, these guys got potential.”

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: So…

Micah: And then you join us.

Andrew: …moving along…

Mikey: Only if they say my name three times, I’ll magically appear.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Okay, so where we at now?

Andrew: So moving along. In other Half-Blood Prince news, there was also our – we got two – Micah, do you have something else to say?

Micah: No, I was just wondering, so this is the final cast? They’re not going to be looking at other characters?

Andrew: There’s got to be more announcements.

Micah: There’s – I mean…

Andrew: Well, there’s got to be more announcements. Yeah. Because if you look at our brand new Movie 6 section, it’s not a complete cast.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: Especially when you compare it to other cast pages.

Micah: So it just means on their end that they’ve completed casting, but they maybe haven’t made all the announcements yet…

Andy: Exactly, yeah.

Micah: …because we’re still missing a good amount of people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: I would think, anyway, right? I mean, there’s no Gaunt family that’s been cast yet.

Andy: Like Katie Bell, too.

Laura: Yeah, that could be a problem.

Andrew: How about…

Micah: Bill Weasley. I would think he might have to be in this.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah!

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Greyback.

Andrew: Yeah. What was this press release by WB? What did it say, exactly? I’m trying to find it now. Here it is. “Casting is complete on Half-Blood Prince.” So I guess they just really haven’t announced everyone yet. [laughs]

Mikey: Well, you know what? The casting is probably complete for the entire, you know, everything. And they probably haven’t announced it because some of the people they’ve cast, they probably have two or three people for it still, even though it’s been cast between those two people, and whoever comes out best on camera – because a lot
of times…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …what they’ll do for smaller parts, background characters, that may not even say anything – because we know the Gaunts, except for – what’s the father’s Gaunt – not – Merope’s father’s name?

Laura: Marvolo.

Mikey: Marvolo! Yeah. How come I didn’t know that? Wow. I’m tired. Marvolo’s the only one that speaks English, you know, and Merope is quiet the whole time, and her brother is speaking in [hisses].

Andrew: Maybe it’s also that they want to spread out the announcements, sort of keep the excitement going.

Mikey: The buzz.

Andrew: Yeah, the buzz, exactly. Throw a little buzz out there. You know what happens? I’ve noticed this a lot. Whenever there’s a big book announcement, WB always comes back with something to make sure nobody’s forgotten about them.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Like I remember there was a huge news story – news book story – and I can’t remember what it was, but like a few hours later, after all the buzz on the websites, WB sends us just a crapload of new pictures out of the blue and is just like, “Post these.” It’s like, okay.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: But it’s like, “Don’t forget about us!”

Andy: Here’s thirty-six new pictures.

Andrew: Yeah, exactly.

Mikey: Well, it’s like you, Andrew. Releasing the 12-hour MuggleCast as different segments instead of as one big…

Andrew: Because I wanted to get the episode count up a little bit! But I mean when you’re doing a 12-hour show, that’s a huge download file anyway.

Mikey: There’s people that listen the entire time, buddy. I’m just saying.

Andrew: There were. Oh yeah, definitely. Those were the people who could. [laughs] Anyone else can’t. Well, I guess there were some people who might have listened to all of them straight through, but it was a good idea, just go with it. So…

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: I guess there’s nothing else to say about that. Yeah, Micah, I think you bring up a good point. We’re still waiting for quite a few more casting announcements. The cast page still has room to grow. So it’s time to get Warwick back for another interview.

[Laura laughs]

MuggleCast 120 Transcript (continued)

News Discussion: Movie 6 Sneak Peek

Andrew: Half-Blood Prince sneak peek. We got this
the other day. There’s a couple of things to talk about with this story. This was a really good idea, I thought, WB had, when they announced that there was going to be sneak peek at Half-Blood Prince on the Order of the Phoenix DVD. I thought, “How are they doing that?” They just started filming, and how do they have stuff already to put on the DVD? Because you have to have the DVD prepared like a month or two ago to go to print and all that, and then here comes this brilliant idea: it’s online, but you have to have your disc in the computer in order to click on these clips. I thought that was a great idea! Did anyone else get excited? I thought that was so cool! [laughs]

Laura: I guess…

Micah: Dork.

Andrew: Yeah, dork, exactly. [laughs]

Mikey: Well, you know, Andrew, I would be more excited if the sneak peek is not just these initial clips but more stuff…

Andrew: Like more to come.

Mikey: …so that way, it’s really not just like, “I’ll go rent the movie for a day and see all the extra clips,” but “I want to make sure that I buy and I own it so that way I can see…”

Andrew: That’s a good point!

Mikey: The more stuff to come! So I can see the new Quidditch costumes, so I can see the scenes or the interview with Dan talking about, you know…

Andrew: Mikey, you should be on their marketing team; that’s a pretty good idea actually.

Mikey: I personally think I should just start being Assistant Editor and Editor for the Harry Potter films.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: As a fan that loves it, you know, that’s what I do, Warner Bros. Wink wink, nudge nudge, ha ha ha.

Andrew: They don’t listen.

Mikey: I know. Well, who knows?

Andrew: Actually, no. I think David Heyman listens to the podcast.

Mikey: Really?

Laura: Really?

Mikey: David, I do have a real – please, it’s a dream of mine.

Andrew: I think he has. He said something once in an interview he did at the L.A. premiere that made me think he…

Mikey: No, no! He goes to MuggleNet, not MuggleCast.

Andrew: No, but he also said something about he listens to us all the time. But he wasn’t – he was like, “I read and listen to you guys all the time.” I think that’s what he said. Something like that.

Micah: I think you’re right, because when we were at Enlightening, Emerson was talking to the crowd about David Heyman and that interview that you guys did. And I think he was saying that we should all be nice to David Heyman because he listens to what we say.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Something like that.

Andrew: Yeah, we’ll have to re-watch that interview. Anyway… [laughs]

Mikey: I like David Heyman.

Laura: Yeah, I like him, too. He’s really nice.

Mikey: He’s cool. I would just say, “Just so you know, I like you. I’m an editor.”

[Everybody laughs]

Andrew: I hate to go off tangent one more time, but…

Mikey: Oh, wow!

Andrew: …Laura, I just remembered this today – I completely forgot about it. You, Ben and I talked to him for a couple of minutes at the after party…

Laura: Yeah. Oh, that was so cool.

Andrew: …one on one. And that was really nice…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …because he was very nice about talking with us. And we were just – we were sucking up to him. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: But we were saying it’s unbelievable this whole thing that you’ve been running for the past, god, eight years now.

Laura: Yeah, but he was genuinely nice, and he seemed really, really happy to be there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: So I was really happy to see that.

Andrew: Yeah. It was great actually talking to him. Great guy. But – okay, so anyway… [laughs] …the Half-Blood Prince sneak peeks – hoping everyone saw these. It looks pretty good; it’s nothing new. I mean, it’s new but it’s nothing out of the ordinary.

Andy: Nothing new new.

Andrew: Nothing new new, right. It’s more of the same, you know. They’re filming and Dan’s on set… [laughs] …and there’s cameras around him. There was a very nice interview with Stuart Craig, Production Designer. That’s it. There’s an interview with him on the new set where he talks about the orphanage and how great it’s going to be and how much effort they’re putting into it. Then there’s another clip with the interview with the Costume Designer, and she goes over the brand new Quidditch costumes – or the Quidditch cloaks. And they have new padding and they have these new helmets.

Andy: Yuck.

Andrew: Yeah, I was talking to Andy about this last night. They’re not very good, are they, Andy? [laughs]

Andy: I don’t know. I reckon they kind of look like fighter pilots or something.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. And I think she said in that interview that they weren’t sure yet if they were actually going to have them on while they were playing, right? Just for practice?

Andy: Yes, she said they were going to be for training or practice or something, but they didn’t know if they would put them in the actual scene.

Andrew: I think that just shows that they’re not too sure about them, either. [laughs] Maybe? And then – the new cloaks do look good, I think. And it’s nice to see that they’re updating the Quidditch outfits. They’re putting some effort into it since they skipped out on Quidditch in Order of the Phoenix and Goblet of Fire? No, the Quidditch World Cup was in Goblet of Fire.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So that’s nice. And that’s about it.

Mikey: You know what I would like to see? I would like to see them play Quidditch at the Burrow. You know how they do those, you know…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Well, I mean…

Andy: Yeah, that would be sweet. I want to see them fly the tables around in the [unintelligible].

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Yeah, there’s a lot I would like to see that I never…

Andrew: Well, we all know that’s…

Micah: When you get to work on the films, Mikey, then…

Mikey: Yeah. I’ll make the special MuggleNet edition with all the stuff we want to see, and I’ll sit there for years doing all the special effects myself.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: But, fans, I will do it if I get – no.

Andrew: So the DVD came out. It was just in England, not in Australia. Right, Andy?

Andy: Yeah, it’s out here. We got it last Wednesday.

Andy Reviews the DVD

Andrew: Oh, it is. Oh! Oh, okay. Well, we could have a quick review here.

Andy: Which is the first time ever.

Andrew: So, what…?

Andy: I thought it was great. Lots of good special features, especially the one, “Trailing Tonks,” which was behind the scenes. That was great, very funny.

Andrew: What’s in that again?

Andy: It just follows – I think her name’s Natalia Tena, who plays Tonks. It just follows her around the set doing random stuff: playing guitar, laughing at people.

Mikey: Having her nose changed. You know, her nose changes every once in a while.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] That’s pretty cool. How do all the menus and such work? Are they good?

Andy: The menus are great. Same guy narrates all the menus. The actual disc with the movie on it is really great. It’s got the phone booth going to the Ministry. And the special features one has got the Black tapestry and all the special features on that, which looks really cool.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Andy: Yeah, it’s great. I’ve watched it a few times now.

Andrew: How are the deleted scenes?

Andy: Pretty good. There’s sort of two minutes of Trelawney eating and then there’s a few other good ones.

Micah: Wait. Not drinking, eating?

Andrew: Yeah. Come on, we found this out a while ago!

Micah: No, eating. I was making a joke saying she is an alcoholic, but forget it.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Mikey: She just likes to have a drink when times are getting hard.

Andrew: Yeah. So, all right, well, that’s cool. As for us in America, we still have to wait until December 11th, so it’s a little under a month now. And the thing is, here’s what happened: this Half Blood Prince sneak peak came out, people got their DVDs, they were able to watch it. Then people figured out how to download it and get it on YouTube. You can download the flash file, convert that to something YouTube will take, put it up. So it gets up on YouTube, all the fan sites post it, and then WB starts taking them down. And the thing that got me about this, and I said it to Micah, was, all right, WB’s asking for this. When you’re releasing a film in Australia and England a month before you do in America, the American fans are going to go nuts, and they’re going to want to see it online so people put it online, put these sneak peaks online, at least. And, you know, WB keeps trying to take them down, but it’s like, why not just release the movie at the same time and then you wouldn’t have to worry about that?

Laura: Haven’t they typically released all the DVDs at the same time in the past?

Andrew: Yeah. Well, the U.S. certainly hasn’t had to wait a month. [laughs]

Andy: We usually get it about three months later, so this is…

Andrew: Really?

Andy: …a Christmas miracle.

[Andy and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Yeah, are they trying to be fair? Like…

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Australia complained and they’re like, “Okay, you get it a month before America now.”

Laura: Well, I know, at the very least, the U.S. and the U.K. got them around the same time. Like within a few days of each other.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Well, what’s interesting is that it’s not just the U.K. and Australia, it’s other countries that the DVD has been released in as well. It seems like…

Andy: South America got it before all of us.

Micah: Yeah.

Andy: They got it in, like, the end of October.

Andrew: I wonder if it has to do with the Christmas season. Like, they want to get it closer to Christmas to…

Micah: Oh, yeah.

Andrew: …put it under more trees or something?

Micah: Could be true.

Laura: If they sell it in November, it’s going to be under plenty of trees. I mean…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …that’s when they start putting out all your Christmas stuff.

Andrew: But I’m just thinking – well, I guess it shouldn’t matter to WB, really, whether it goes underneath a Christmas tree or not as long as you’re still buying it.

Andy: It’s just all this hype.

Andrew: It’s all the hype, you said?

Andy: Yeah, all hype and publicity and…

Andrew: Oh. Yeah…

Andy: …how they can sell the most DVDs.

Harry Potter versus Hairspray

Andrew: Yeah, maybe. Well, I mean, one DVD that’s coming out soon – of course I know this: Hairspray comes out Tuesday.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Now… [laughs]

Mikey: I know Hairspray comes out Tuesday, buddy, I’ve been watching for that to come out, too.

Andrew: I’ll be buying the Shake and Shimmy edition, thank you very much. I just wonder, do they think like, “Oh, there’s already a big DVD coming out; we want publicity, we want a week to ourselves where we have all the publicity we want.” Or is it something else?

Laura: What other…

Andrew: Because Hairspray is a huge movie release. I mean, it was huge over the summer…

Laura: Yeah…

Andrew: …I’m sure it’s going to be…

Laura: But did it outsell Harry Potter even…

Andrew: No, I don’t think so.

Laura: Was it even close? I mean, I love Hairspray, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think they would be in any sort of competition.

Andrew: I’m just grasping at straws. I mean, I can’t think of any other, besides the holiday thing.

Andy: But I don’t think Hairspray and Harry Potter would be in that much competition.

Mikey: Oh yeah they are.

Andrew: I have to say, I think they appeal to the same people. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, that’s what I was going to say, but I don’t think a Harry Potter fan and a Hairspray fan would go out and buy one DVD over the other. They’re going to buy both.

Mikey: Well, you know what? If it came down between one DVD or the other to me…

Andrew: I’d buy Hairspray.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: No, I’m dead serious. I’m dead serious.

Mikey: That’s what I’m thinking is going to happen. You have to go with your Harry Potter friend. So Andrew could buy Hairspray for us and we could watch it, and then I’ll buy the Harry Potter.

Andrew: [laughs] But I just think…

Mikey: And we’ll probably watch Hairspray first.

Andrew: Also, feature-set wise, I think Hairspray‘s got – Hairspray‘s got like a four hour documentary on the making of it.

Mikey: [laughs] Are you…?

Andrew: They went all out on the feature. But, anyway… [laughs]

Andy: If you’d like the sheet music from Hairspray, go over to HarryPotterFanZone.

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: You know what’s funny though? I think I actually saw Hairspray more than Order of the Phoenix in theaters.

Andrew: Oh, me too!

Laura: So did I. [laughs]

Andrew: I’ve seen it five times now.

Mikey: No, no, well, it’s because I saw an advanced screening of Hairspray, and then I saw it again, and then I think I saw it twice with Andrew at one point, and…

Andrew: You saw it once with us. [laughs]

Mikey: I don’t know. I saw Hairspray a ridiculous amount of times. I went with my mom. I’m like, “Why am I seeing this movie so many times?” But I do have a fondness for musicals, so…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …I’m waiting for Harry Potter: The Musical. Really, you know…

Andrew: Yeah, it’s coming out…

Mikey: It’s like the mysterious ticking noise.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Mikey: [singing] Snape, Snape, Severus. And then, you know, Dumbledore!

[Everyone laughs]

Mikey: I love Dumbledore. He’s my favorite. You know what? Dumbledore coming out of the closet, that’s him going, “Dumbledore!” That’s him!

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: I love it!

Andrew and Mikey: Oh…

Andrew: God. You know…

Mikey: Why do I keep talking? Let’s continue on.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay. I’m wondering the same thing. Hey, I guess there’s nothing else to say. Maybe we’ll try to get something out of WB.

Mikey: Oh…

Andrew: You know, to answer why.

Micah: The only other DVD that is coming out that week – or that date actually – is The Bourne Ultimatum.

Andrew: That’s definitely not competition… [laughs] …I don’t think.

Laura: No.

Mikey: You sure? They’re both actions. They’re both action movies.

Andrew: Yeah. But it’s a different audience still.

Micah: See?

Andrew: [sighs] Okay, well, I guess we’ll see what happens there. Wow, we managed to take up forty-five minutes with news talk. Good work, guys. [laughs] That’s a new record, I think.

Announcement: MuggleCast Wall of Fame

Andrew: All right, let’s get on to some announcements now. There’s actually a few this week for once, and they’re all new. First of all, earlier this week – let me set this up – there was an article in my school newspaper about what I do with MuggleCast. And that was a few days – the article came out a few days after our Episode 119, which we’ll get to in a minute. It wasn’t exactly our best show. Our best live show.

Laura: No.

Micah: No.

Andrew: Especially in the call-in parts. So, I was, like, oh crap. All these people are going to go and look, and see this episode and think I suck. [laughs] So, everyone would have noticed that news post I made on the – on MuggleCast, saying, “New to the show? If you’re a new listener and looking for a few good episodes, check these out.” So, I sort of hope that people looked at that. And then I came up with the idea for the MuggleCast Wall of Fame, which is our, sort of, showcase showcasing the best episodes we’ve done. So we came up with this page. Mikey contributed with an episode or two. And then I also added at the bottom, if anyone has an episode that really stands out to them in terms of quality – just a really good quality episode – e-mail it in to MCWallofFame at gmail dot com. MCWallofFame, all one word, at gmail dot com. And I’m sort of going to take a poll and see which episodes get the most votes. And then we’ll add them on there. And that will just be a nice little archive of our best shows, and it’ll be a nice thing we go back and look at. Especially if you’re a new listener and you’re looking for some good episodes, you know, we can recommend those to you. So there’s a banner at MuggleCast.com for those. We encourage you to check those out. Also, anyone here got a Zune?

Announcement: MuggleCast on Zune

Mikey: I do!

Laura: No.

Andrew: Mikey, you do?

Mikey: No, I don’t.

Andrew: Do you get it off Woot?

Mikey: No. I’m lying.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: Actually, about the Zune, some of you know I work for Apple and, in fact, a couple of MuggleCast listeners… [laughs] …came into the Apple store when I was working the other day, and…

Andrew: Really?

Mikey: Yeah. They’re in the Leopard release. It’s kind of cool seeing them there. I was hanging out there working, not really doing anything at Apple. But they’re like, “Are you Mikey from MuggleCast?” And I’m, like, yeah. Like…

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: …you know, I’m at work…

Andrew: Oh.

Mikey: …you know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: And they came up, and – so I took a picture with them. That was kind of cute.

Andrew: Aww, cute.

Laura: Aww.

Mikey: Yeah. You know. It was cool. They come into my work.

Andrew: I don’t know how that worked. You were, like, speaking…

Andrew and Mikey: …of Zunes…

Andrew: Dot, dot, dot. [laughs]

Mikey: I work for Apple. The iPod versus Zune.

Andrew: Uh-huh. So for the ten people who have a Zune…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: And Microsoft started the – basically, the Zune equivalent of iTunes. And you can go on to their marketplace and you can subscribe to podcasts there now because Zune now supports podcasts. And MuggleCast is in there. So if you have a Zune and you want to subscribe to MuggleCast, make sure you have the latest Zune software update. And then there’s a link right there at MuggleCast.com, underneath the big “On Air” button that takes you to the Zune marketplace to subscribe to MuggleCast. So I just thought I would let everyone know. Also, if you have any friends who like Harry Potter and who have a Zune, recommend that to them.

Announcement: Terminus Clear Up

Andrew: Also, real quick, I just want to say about Terminus. I just want to… [laughs] …clear up what was said last week. I want to clear up that Terminus didn’t actually say no to us or reject us. We just never approached them and they thought we didn’t fit in with what they needed compared to other podcasts. I just want to clear that up because, apparently, some fans were saying to Terminus, “Oh, why did you say no to MuggleCast?” Actually, they never said no to us. They just didn’t want us from the start. [pretends to sob] Umm… [laughs] …we’ll get to Muggle Mail. We’ll focus on a lot of e-mails this week.

Muggle Mail: Age Limits on Broadway Shows

Laura: The first one comes from Brenna, aged 18, from San Diego, California. And she says:

“Some shows do have an age limit…”

And I believe this is in reference to Equus

Andrew: The Broadway…

Laura: …being on…


Laura: …Broadway.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: “…because of scary or inappropriate material. I know that the Broadway musical “Wicked” has a limit of six because it might be frightening to young kids. So I would think they wouldn’t allow small children to see it, but who knows? Also, you guys need to stop worrying over…”

Andrew: No. Don’t – don’t include that.

Laura: Okay. [laughs]

Andrew: Oh, actually, go ahead. No, no, never mind. Go ahead.

Laura: Way to cut me off! Okay.

Andrew: No, sorry. [laughs]

Laura: All right.

“Also, you guys need to stop worrying over Terminus and start planning a trip to San Diego, California for ComicCon in 2008 in July.”

Andrew: You know, it’s not a bad idea, because MuggleNet was invited to ComicCon last year, and there’s this huge miscommunication where ComicCon was even advertising that MuggleNet…

Laura: Oh…

Andrew: …was going to be…

Laura: …that’s right.

Andrew: …at a certain venue. And, like…

Laura: Didn’t a bunch of people…

Andrew: …people showed up.

Laura: …come?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: And nothing ever – nobody was there. [laughs] Emerson and – I think it was supposed to be like Emerson and Ben or something, and they were probably on the other side of the country… [laughs] …I think. So that didn’t work out very well. But yeah, that’s not a bad idea. ComicCon’s a big event and they have some Harry Potter stuff there, so who knows?

Mikey: ComicCon’s fun.

Muggle Mail: Quack Pack

Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Abby, 13, of New Jersey. She writes:

“While I was listening to Episode 119 I was thinking that you could make a Quack Pack from the funny quack. Love the show. Quack. Abby.”

You know that’s a better idea than Cucumber Pack. Let’s do Quack Pack.

Laura: What – what…

Andrew: You were saying?

Laura: What was Cucumber Pack?

Andrew: It was going to be the sequel to Pickle Pack.

Laura: Why do we need a sequel to Pickle Pack?

Andrew: It was just a joke! It was like the next…

Laura: Okay, I was about to, like, “Oh God, another year of Blickles. Ohh.”

Andrew: No, because now they would be called Clickles because…

Mikey: Sequels are better than the original? No, no.

Andrew: Yeah – not always. [laughs]

Mikey: Actually, almost never, but…

Muggle Mail: The Writers’ Strike

Andrew: Another e-mail. I think Mikey should be able to address this one. This comes from Bethany, 32, of Goshen, Indiana. She writes:

“Is Steve Kloves a member of the Writers’ Guild? If so, is that strike affecting the shooting of ‘Half-Blood Prince’? Also, if Kloves will also be the screenwriter on ‘Deathly Hallows,’ do you think this strike will push back that movie’s pre-production since he probably starts working on the script long before they start prepping each movie?”

Mikey: Ooooh.

Andrew: Mikey, is – I thought I heard somewhere that the Writers’ Guild will – the strike will eventually affect movie writers. Is that true?

Mikey: Oh, it definitely will. So right now the Writers’ Guild, they’re on strike – and actually I have quite a few friends that are on strike and it’s – I find it kind of funny. I definitely respect what they’re doing, but I kind of find it funny because these are creative types that sit on their computer and write and drink coffee and they’re not – they’re not the striker-type people, right?

Andrew: Right. [laughs]

Mikey: And they’re like, “Dude, I have to go picket,” and I’m like, “You’re really going to go down in front of the studio and stand there with your little sign and march across it?” And he was like, “Yeah, I have to. I mean, I have to.” So what the Guild is really affecting right now with the strike, is it’s definitely affecting TV shows. Is Kloves an American or is he…

Andrew: No.

Mikey: If he’s not American then he’s not part of the Writers’ Guild.

Andrew: Oh okay.

Mikey: Because if he’s – because I know it’s not affecting Canadian productions. A lot of productions have jumped up there recently, and U.K. is not affected by this, but this is definitely affecting just the U.S. writers. It can affect movies because sequels and stuff like that…

Andrew: Actually wait, wait, wait. I’ve got to cut you off.

Micah: I’m pretty sure Steve Kloves is American.

Andrew: Yeah, he is.

Andy: I thought he was American.

Mikey: It definitely – it’s definitely going to affect him. Probably not so much for Deathly Hallows because I would be surprised if he even started production for that script – started working on that until mid of 2008 even.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Mikey: Because the movie won’t be released till end of 2008 of Half-Blood Prince, so I would be very surprised if he even started, you know, while the strike is on, unless it lasts a very long time. The longest strike lasted six weeks I believe? From the Writers’ Guild…

Andrew: I think it was 22.

Mikey: Was it 22?

Andrew: I think it was 22. Yeah.

Mikey: Six weeks – I remember the last one was a very long time and…

Andrew: Did you say six months?

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, I thought you said six weeks.

Mikey: Oh, I may have said six weeks but I meant six months. But it lasted six months, and I definitely agree with what they’re demanding, because right now this really is affecting more TV show writers, you know. I don’t expect it to last, you know, more than six months, and I don’t think it will affect Deathly Hallows too much.

Andrew: Well, there’s your answer.

Mikey: But it could definitely affect the movie industry.

MuggleCast 120 Transcript (continued)

Muggle Mail: Fawkes

Andrew: Yeah, which is kind of scary. Another e-mail now from Emma, fourteen, of Salt Lake City. She writes:

“Hey guys, love the show. When you guys were talking about Fawkes and his location after Dumbledore died, I think he would go live with Aberforth and to get around the whole ownership thing he would just come and go as he pleases.”

I think that’s an okay thought. I don’t know if Aberforth would really care for Fawkes, though.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t think so. I think that would have been mentioned, too, like…

Micah: I’m pretty sure – sorry.

Laura: No, I mean, I think that once Dumbledore died – like I think that it was very symbolic that Harry kept hearing the – what was it? The song.

Micah: The Phoenix song?

Laura: Yeah, the Phoenix song. He kept hearing it and then suddenly he realized that it stopped. And he realized everything that had just happened. So I feel like it was just very symbolic and very telling of the fact that Fawkes was gone to wherever Phoenixes go whenever their owners die.

Micah: Right, and I think…

Andrew: Yeah, that would have been funny if like – go ahead, Micah.

Micah: I was just going to say that I was pretty sure Jo said that Fawkes was non-transferrable, meaning that he wouldn’t go anywhere else.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: So I don’t know where he would go but it’s not – he’s not going to go and live with anybody else in particular. He’s going to the Phoenix zoo and – I don’t know. [laughs] I’m making that up.

Andrew: Wouldn’t it be funny if – you know, it’s that whole sad scene where Fawkes flies off into the distance and he just makes a sharp left turn and ends up in Aberforth’s?

Laura: [laughs] That would…

Andrew: I could sort of see like a Family Guy, Simpsons

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: It’s what I was thinking.

Fantasy Death Scene

Andrew: All right, so – and then in the second part of Emma’s e-mail, she writes:

“I have something for you to discuss on the show this week. If you guys could make a death scene for Tonks and Lupin, what would happen? Just seeing how creative you guys could get.”

I guess none of us are really writers, but anyone have their fantasy death scene? Did anyone ever give that any thought?

Laura: I’ve never thought about it. I didn’t really imagine that Tonks and Lupin were killed by anybody highly significant or anybody that we knew, just because Jo didn’t mention it.

Micah: One of the…

Andrew: She did, though.

Micah: She did.

Laura: Who’d she say killed them? I don’t remember.

Andrew: Oh, she did in a web-chat.

Micah: Bellatrix killed Tonks.

Mikey: And then…

Micah: And Dolohov killed Lupin, I think.

Mikey: Yeah. Well, see, I actually imagined Lupin’s death. And the reason for this is because we’ve gone on tour with Alex…

Andrew: [laughs] That’s what I thought you were going to say.

Mikey: ….from The Remus Lupins, and we’ve had a whole night where we were discussing, how would Lupin go out? And we came up with this exa – you know, this crazy thing where Dolohov and Lupin were there. And Lupin was actually saving babies, and he went out as a champ. He saved a thousand wizards by sacrificing himself.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: You know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: If he didn’t die, Harry probably would’ve lost. That’s what would happen.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Because Lupin was the pivotal role, but – and Jo just didn’t want to take away from Harry’s victory by describing Lupin’s epic battle against Dolohov. So…

Laura: Yeah.

Mikey: We’ve – I’ve discussed it. It’s pretty awesome.

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: You know, one of you guys can read our transcript of it. But it’s pretty awesome. One of you guys can read our transcript of it, but it’s pretty awesome.

Andrew: Maybe we can make a video of it with Alex being the actor.

[Mikey laughs]

Andrew: Since he has starred in film projects before. [laughs]

Mikey: Oh yes, we should.

Andrew: I’ve always – well, actually, not always, but if I were to picture it, I would picture it like Titanic-ish. Like…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …Jack – like, “Jack, I’ll never let go!” It’s like, “Tonks, I’ll never let go!” And then, since they’re sort of newlyweds…

Mikey: And then Avada kedavra from each end and then they die.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: Poof! That’s really sad.

Andrew: And they let go.

Mikey: Like come on! You can see Tonks maybe like tripping over her cloak and falling into Bellatrix, and Bellatrix is just like, “Ah!” And, you know, that way.

Micah: Right.

Mikey: Although, that’s not…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: “Ah!” Actually, you know, that’s kind of sad. Because I think Tonks is better than that.

Micah: I could see…

Mikey: I think maybe even – yeah.

Micah: …even Bellatrix sneaking up from behind on Tonks and killing her that way because that’s how vicious she is.

Andrew: Maybe Bellatrix just comes out of nowhere and then…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …Tonks just falls through a cloth, and then it’s all unexplained.

[Laura and Mikey laugh]

Mikey: Or maybe Tonks was trying to deal with her Metamorphosis skills. Because her nose gets stuck like a duck beak, and she’s trying to deal with that.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Mikey: And then Bellatrix is just like, “Aha! Say quack!”

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: And then…

[Laura and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: Say quack.

Mikey: Oh yeah. I’m sorry. See? I’m being creative.

Andrew: She’s like, “Fix this, Tonks!” [makes explosive sounds]

Mikey: Yeah. All right.

Muggle Mail: Harry Potter‘s Impact on Literature

Andrew: “Smell this one, Tonks!” [makes explosive sounds] No? All right, another e-mail comes from Anna of Phoenix, Arizona. Here’s a nice little topic, although – well, no, we’ll talk about this. She writes:

“Hey guys! Thanks so much for all you do. Here’s a subject I’d love to hear you guys lay in on. Where do you think will be ‘Harry Potter”s impact in literature? In the future, do you think the series will be a classic in C.S. Lewis or J.R.R. Tolkien fashion or a classic in only the fantasy genre? Will the series continue to be popular as a children and teen book or as an adult book as well? How will HPH, how will…”

Well, we’ll get to each question in a second… [laughs] …as we move along. So the first one, how do you guys think Harry Potter will end up in literature? I don’t think we’ve ever talked about this. I think it’d be a good topic to discuss.

Laura: I think it’s going to be a classic. Absolutely.

Andrew: Do you, though?

Laura: Yes, I do.

Andrew: I mean…

Laura: I really, really do, because you look at the effect that it has had on our generation and just the time that we’ve grown up in, and you look at books like the – well, like C.S. Lewis’ and Tolkien’s, and they all had similar effects on the people who read them. Those – I mean, it was very, very similar and just the way the fandom operated, I guess. Not in terms of making fan sites, but…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …I really think that these are the kind of books that people like us have our kids reading ten and fifteen years down the road. You know?

Andrew: Oh yeah. I would definitely love to get my kids into it. But it’s just – it goes back to that commercialize thing, though, because there’s toys, there’s video games…

Mikey: Well no, no. Okay, well hold on.

Andrew: …there’s movies for Harry Potter, there’s a theme park.

Mikey: Andrew, Andrew. A perfect – a perfect example of something like this, how you can actually draw on this, look at Star Wars. It was the same impact when the movie…

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true I guess.

Mikey: …was first released, there’s a ride at Disneyland, there’s action figures. I would say Star Wars has more merchandise than Harry Potter.

Andrew: Probably.

Mikey: Yeah, probably has quite a bit because it’s been around longer. But Star Wars – yes, it’s not as – when you look at the original trilogy it’s definitely aging, but it’s one of those things where it’s still a classic film for what it did. Before that time there were no special effects the way Star Wars was done. It was groundbreaking. And it’s one of those things where it had a hardcore fan base just like Harry Potter does, and it’s definitely a test of the time, and it’s still around, and because the fans were so adamant about it they wanted these other stories told. I think if we keep pushing Jo to give us some more stories, we’ll get James Potter and the Elder Echoes – whatever that website was for – we’ll get those stories made. So…

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know.

Andy: I think it will be a classic, because Harry Potter books aren’t going to date. There’s no real, sort of, time references in it except Dudley playing on the Playstation, but other than that, it’s still going to be relevant to people in the future.

Andrew: Yeah. Well, yeah, it’s definitely a timeless story. I guess since we’re sort of living in the “Harry Potter Generation,” I just personally have a harder time imagining it being in like – see, when I think classic I sort of think like what we see in our literature books or what we actually discuss in school, or…

Laura: Well, that’s true, but there’s also classics in terms of The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. I don’t think that people who were fans of that book when it came out imagined that it would be read by third graders across the world years and years down the road, you know?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Well, I mean, it can even go back to what you guys were talking about, or what we were all talking about before, when you brought up the whole idea of having Harry Potter in schools. And I think that years from now it’s definitely a good possibility, because if you look around in this moment, put aside the fact that we’re all Harry Potter fans, what other books are out there that sort of define the time like these do?

Andrew: That’s true.

Micah: Is there really anything else? I don’t think there’s been something like this in quite some time that has brought so many people together, at least in the literature aspect. So to think that it’s not going to hold its ground, in the next fifty to one hundred years, I think, would be a bad assumption to make.

Mikey: You know what, Micah? That also brings up – that would also answer my point where it’s the parents that would probably be kind of going, “Oh what is this Harry Potter? It’s a children’s book?” Since we’re going to be growing up as parents eventually, we’re going to be saying, “Oh, our kids should read these books.” And if it’s in schools we’re going to be definitely for that. I think it probably won’t be implemented right away, so I definitely think it’s going to be a classic and last.

Andrew: When – see, I just think though, one huge thing that’s going to be missing is the excitement…

Mikey: Waiting for a book?

Andrew: …leading up – right, leading up to the release. I mean, that’s like ninety percent of the Harry Potter fandom and thrill and excitement and, overall, just – the reason it’s been so huge and publicized is because of the lead up to these books has been tremendous. And, I mean, say fifty years from now when these people pick up the book and they read Sorcerer’s Stone they’ll be like, “Oh, this is great!” And then they just get the next one. Read that. “Oh, this is great!” And then they get the next one. You know, it’ll be classic, but it won’t…

Laura: Well, there won’t be…

Andrew: You sort of understand what I’m saying?

Laura: Well, I mean…

Mikey: They won’t have the same experience.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: This is a once in a lifetime experience. I mean, we’re very lucky to have grown up when we have.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But I don’t think that that changes the effect that the story will have on people.

Andrew: No.

Mikey: No, I agree completely with Laura, and again, back to my Star Wars example, I wasn’t around when Star Wars was in the movie theaters. You know, the original trilogy. Yet, I’m still a ridiculously huge fan of Harry Potter and Star Wars, and I know my kids are going to be fans of probably both of those because I’ll be there watching and reading it with them.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: So yeah. They just won’t get the experience of going to a midnight release.

Andy: Do you think it’ll be like, sort of, that much of a classic in the future when someone’s going to be picking up the first book, and they’re already going to be knowing, well, Harry lives in this series. For us, we picked up the first book knowing nothing, but most people are going to know, sort of, how the story plays out.

Mikey: Well, you know, it’s one of those things where I never questioned whether Harry was going to live to die until people started saying, “well, Harry might not make it through because Jo put that in.” Everyone kind of just assumed that the hero was going to make it through, and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: …it’s one of those things where, up until she said, “well, how do you know Harry’s going to live?” I don’t think any of us really thought that he was going to die. And that’s just kind of an aspect of what we get because we’re waiting for these new books. It’s kind of like…

Andy: Right. Yeah.

Mikey: …you go into – say you’ve never seen Star Wars, but right away you go, “oh, the good guys are going to win.” Same thing with most movies; you know the good guys are going to win. But you still jump – you still react to when the hero is being attacked by this transforming robot, you know what I mean? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Mikey: You go, “Oh my gosh! Is he going to live? Is he going to die?” You still react to it even though you know the good guy’s going to win, so it’s a happy ending. And if he doesn’t win in this one, the sequel he’s going to win or the third one he’s going to win, finally. Is…

Andy: Yeah.

Mikey: It’s going to be the same. Does Frodo destroy the ring? We all were waiting for him to drop the ring in there but, sure enough, eventually it happened.

Micah: And I think you can ask the same question about the last two movies. You know what’s going to happen. Are you still going to see the movie?

Andrew: Yeah. I think WB’s going to have to put a lot more emphasis on promoting the films because you’ve got to get people more excited now, don’t you?

Mikey: Mmm…

Andrew: I mean, you don’t have that book excitement anymore. It’s sort of – it’s just sort of…

Mikey: I wouldn’t…

Andrew: …chew off of, I guess you could say.

Mikey: I wouldn’t say that. I would say I’m still excited for each movie release.

Andy: Yeah.

Mikey: I remember Goblet of Fire, I wasn’t in New York with you guys; in fact, I don’t even know if I knew you guys then. But I remember seeing it four or five times opening weekend. And it was, again, hands down, best movie ever.

[Laura laughs]

Mikey: It was really a great movie, and I enjoyed it, and, yes, I had read the book and I knew what happened after it. It’s not – it wasn’t – to me, it wasn’t that – it’s separate from the books. And there are the people who don’t read the books at all and they just watch the movies.

Andrew: Yeah.

Mikey: I mean, my little brother’s one of those people. I keep telling him, “Read the books. I have all of them.” But he’s like, “Eh, I don’t want to read them.”

Andrew: Yeah, everyone does that.

Mikey: But he’s there with me all the time at the movie. He knows what happens in the movie. And what happens is, sometimes he’ll ask me – if he doesn’t completely understand something, he’ll ask me. So it’s like, “Who is that?” and I’ll be, like, yeah, this is so and so. And he calls me Mike not Mikey.

Andrew: Well, you know what? My brother’s eleven and when he tells – when he asks me that when he’s watching a movie, I just tell him, “I’m not telling you. Read the book.” Because I really think people need to read the books on top of seeing the movies. And I don’t think little kids like my brother should be just relying on the movies to get what everyone else has out of the book. So I just force my brother to find out by – gasp – reading.

[Laura laughs]

Micah: But it could also be argued that it’s a poor job on the part of the films if they’re not explaining certain things…

Andrew: Yeah, well…

Micah: …when they should.

Andrew: …then you get into the whole, “Oh, we’ve got to cut down on stuff that doesn’t really advance the plot,” etc, etc. So I guess that’s basically what Anna was asking. We answered all of her questions in there.

Muggle Mail: Give the Guys Some Love

Andrew: Next e-mail comes from Tanya, twenty-three of Montreal, Canada. She writes:

“Hey guys! I just finished listening to the live show you did and I found something pretty disturbing. Did you notice that almost all girls that called in where the typical ‘fan girls’ and all the guys who called in sounded so depressed? What’s up with the MuggleCast guy listeners? Maybe you should start up the dating service and get these guys some love.”

[laughs] I think it’s just…

[Andy laughs]

Andrew: …when guys call in they might feel a little, like – well, first of all, some – not all the guys sounded depressed, but I just think some guys were like, “calling into a Harry Potter radio show, I guess I shouldn’t get all excited.”

Mikey: I think we should do a MuggleCast…

Laura: They’re trying to be manly.

Andrew: [laughs] They’re trying to be manly, yeah. [laughs]

Mikey: I think we should do a MuggleCast dating service. Win A Date With Andrew Sims!

Andrew: Now see, that – about a year ago – maybe not even a year ago – I tried to start this segment on the show called MuggleCast Dating Service, where…

Mikey: Yeah, I know, I know.

Andrew: …I had people e-mail – yeah. But it was too complicated. It was too hard just to find matches.

Mikey: If it’s too difficult finding matches.

Andrew: It would have been a good idea, though!

Mikey: You know what we should do? Andrew, what you should do, you should go to True or the E-Harmony and get the little polls that they do. You know, sign up for yourself, Andrew, and get the little polls…

Andrew: Yeah, see…

Mikey: … and we have fans fill them out and we’ll match them up together, and…

[Andrew laughs]

Mikey: …you know – in the same city, in the same…

Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul

Andrew: There you go, yeah. We’ll get to one last e-mail this week and it’s a Chicken Soup. It comes from Leah, twenty, of Allen Town, Pennsylvania.

Micah: She says:

“Hi guys, I have a submission for Chicken Soup for the MuggleCaster’s Soul. I don’t have a sad medical story and I wasn’t caught in a natural disaster, but MuggleCast has seriously made my life better. I’m currently a junior in college and lately I’ve been questioning where my life is going. Just wait, guys, you’ll probably be doing it too. But every Sunday I know that I have something solid to look forward to. I feel like I know you all and your conversations are real and relatable. I love ‘Harry Potter’ but I love you guys more.”

Andrew: Aww.

Micah: “You make my week, every week, and you’ve truly made my life a happy one. Thanks, Leah.”

Laura: Aww.

Andrew: That’s very nice.

Micah: How appropriate around Thanksgiving time.

Mikey: Yeah.

Andrew: What are you guys thankful for this Thanksgiving?

Micah: Andy?

[Andrew and Mikey laugh]

Andrew: Andy, do they celebrate Thanksgiving down there?

Andy: No, they don’t.

Andrew: See? There you go.

Andy: We all kind of know what it is though.

Micah: That was a joke.

Andrew: Harry Potter. Oh, well – oh, Micah are you thankful for Andy? Is that what you were…

Micah: [laughs] No.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I am thankful for…my friends. You’re supposed to go “aww.”

Laura and Mikey: Aww…

Laura: Aww, we’re your friends, Andrew?

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: We’re your friends?

Andrew: No, no, wait, not you guys.

Mikey: Oh okay. Andrew! I thought we were friends, Andrew.

Andrew: No, only when I need a place to stay in L.A.

Mikey: Oh okay.

Andrew: [laughs] Laura, how about you? Let’s all be sappy for a little. We’re getting into the holiday season so we have to gear up for that ever so corny annual MuggleCast episode where we’re like, “Happy Holidays, everyone!”

Laura: Well, honestly, I’m thankful for you guys. I love you guys! So, I can’t imagine my life without you. End sappiness.

Andrew: Aww, that’s sweet. Micah?

Micah: Same.

Andrew: [laughs] Mikey? If you say Leslie. Don’t say Leslie.

Mikey: I wasn’t going to.

Laura: Aww, say Leslie!

Mikey: Okay, I was going to.

Laura: That’s so sweet!

Mikey: Well, I am going to say what I’m thankful for is just my – everything is going real good in my life right now. I’m thankful for the way things have turned out so far.

Andrew: Oh good.

Mikey: So everything that’s been going on. And MuggleCast is part of my life, so I’m thankful for that too, and you guys, and everything. I’m a little teary-eyed.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs] Seriously. Not trying to sound all corny and stuff, but we really are thankful for the listeners, especially after the book release. We’ve still had a very steady listener base, basically the same from around book/movie release time. So we thank everyone for listening. We are thankful for you guys.

Mikey: No, you know what? I really am. I love all the fans that contact me. I go on AIM and they talk to me and I’ll sit there and talk to all of them, and…

Andrew: Yeah, they’re very cool.

Mikey: Yeah, they’re cool. Definitely they are. And I definitely think that, you know – they’re hip. They’re cool.

Wizard Rock

Andrew: Yeah. Yup, definitely. There are a couple related – show related announcements that we’ll get to next week. They’re more business-like, so we’ll worry about those next week. This show has gone on long enough. I just want to say, guys, that tomorrow I’m going to be going to a Wizard Rock show in Philadelphia featuring the Whomping Willows and the Moaning Myrtles. Micah, you met the Moaning Myrtles.

Micah: Yeah, but you’re – well…

Andrew: Huh?

Micah: Nothing.

Andrew: Okay.

Mikey: The Moaning Myrtles are cool, man! I’m down with the Wizard Rock! Wizard Rock!

Andrew: I’m hoping to put this show out tonight; that’s why I sort of mentioned it. So if anyone’s in the Jersey/Philly area, I recommend you go to that show. Just check the Whomping Willows’ MySpace.

Mikey: Guys, guys, any listeners, if you go to the Whomping Willows show, go up to Matt, the Whomping Willow, the tree guy, that plays guitar. Go up to him, give him a big hug, and say, “Mikey B. says hi.” Really, I want – I want like…

Andrew: I’ll do that, Mikey, I’ll do it.

Mikey: Thank you, but anyone else wants to give him – say, “Mikey B. says hi.” I miss Matt and Mochocko, I really do. I love Wizard Rock. Who doesn’t? Really?

Andrew: You know, I actually bought Jingle Spells, and it just came in the other day.

Mikey: You know, I haven’t been able to get that yet because I haven’t been online.

Andrew: You want me to burn you a copy? [laughs]

Mikey: It’s for a good cause.

Andrew: I know, that’s why I said it. It was a joke.

Mikey: I need to buy it soon. I just haven’t been online because I’ve been working on stuff.

Andrew: I have to say, it’s not bad, it’s not bad.

Mikey: Really? Yeah.

Contact Information

Andrew: Yeah. So with that I think that does wrap up the show today. Well, it’s time to remind everyone about our contact information. Laura, if people want to send us parcel mail, including glass pickles, where do they sent that?

Laura: To MuggleCast, P.O. Box 3151, Cumming, Georgia

Andrew: Also, we’re going to get back to voicemails very soon. We’re just trying to get our voicemail box fixed. Kevin’s working on that. If you’re in the United States you can call 1-218-20-MAGIC; that’s 1-218-206-2442. If you’re in the United Kingdom it’s 02081440677. If you’re in Australia you can dial 0280035668, just like Andy.

[Show music begins]

Andrew: You can also Skype the username MuggleCast. Just remember to keep your message under a minute and eliminate as much background noise as possible so your message is crystal clear. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for a handy feedback form. To contact any one of us and you can also use our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Andy, what’s the best way to contact you via e-mail if people so choose?

Andy: Probably webmaster at harry potter fanzone dot com or just go onto the site and fill out the contact form and I will get back to you.

Andrew: Sweet. Don’t forget of all of our community outlets over at MuggleCast.com. We got the MySpace, the Facebook, YouTube, Frappr, Last.FM, and the fanlisting. Also Digg the show at Digg.com, vote for us once a month at Podcast Alley, and rate and review us at Yahoo! Podcasts. Also check out that cool new Wall Of Fame over at MuggelCast.com, subscribe with your Zune and all that. It’s all good.

Show Close

Andrew: All right. Andy from HarryPotterFanZone.com, thank you very much for joining us.

Andy: No problem. Thanks for having me on.

Andrew: We’ll have you on again soon. Yeah, you were good.

Micah: Happy Thanksgiving.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Happy Thanksgiving to you and all the other Australians, like Erica Crombie, if she still listens. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Once again Iím Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Mikey: [imitating Micah] I’m Mikey B.

Andy: And I’m Andy McCray.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 121.

Andrew and Laura: Buh-bye!

Mikey: Bye!

Micah: Bye!


Episode 120: 1337 Approvals

  • Mikey B returns, and Andy from HarryPotterFanZone.com makes his MuggleCast debut!
  • Andrew is 1337! LOLZ!
  • Harry Potter changes a school in England. Could it do the same for America?
  • We talk about the books that don’t fly with kids in school.
  • WB confirms the rest of the HBP cast.
  • But wait… is it truly the REST?
  • Order of the Phoenix or Hairspray? Hairspray.
  • Half-Blood Prince sneak peeks.
  • MuggleCast Wall of Fame!
  • Got a ZUNE? Now you can subscribe to us!
  • MuggleMail goes through YOUR e-mails.
  • Will the Writers Guild strike affect Deathly Hallows?
  • What impact has Harry Potter made on literature?
  • Thanksgiving is here and we count our blessings.
  • Chicken Soup.

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