Episode 75: Harry Chest

  • Laura offers her thoughts on the release date.
  • We examine some things Jo said in her Diary we should have paid more attention to.
  • Did Jason Isaacs know the truth all along?
  • Just why was Jo writing at a hotel?
  • The debate continues on who decides the release date.
  • We’re all expecting to hear from Jo in the near future.
  • Reactions from fans to the release date.
  • What will the cover of the book look like?
  • Equus pictures discussion: Eric labels Dan “Harry Chest”
  • Did we all miss an important line in Goblet of Fire?
  • Chris from Georgia clears up the debate over Voldemort’s soul.
  • Hufflepuff’s Cup…in Arthur’s shed?
  • What will be Jo’s involvement with the fandom after Book 7?
  • Could Dudley be the character to exhibit magic late in life?
  • Why couldn’t Harry just shoot Voldemort?
  • Would any of the Death Eaters step forward to lead after Voldemort falls?
  • We apologize for the Australia-New Zealand mix-up.
  • Top 10-15 DH Contest theories to be played on next week’s show.
  • A very special Chicken Soup from Iraq.

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Running time: 1:30:53, 41.9 MB

Episode 74: Who Will Catch The Bouquet?

  • Live from New Zealand…Eric Scull.
  • We clear up the Albania-Romania-Bulgaria mix-up.
  • Is Ravenclaw’s wand a Horcrux? And was it in Ollivander’s shop?
  • One listener makes us debate the Horcruxes and we ask for your help.
  • Main Discussion: Does Voldemort deserve to die?
  • Should Harry give Voldemort what he fears most?
  • Could Harry even cast the Killing Curse?
  • Would the Death Eaters rally after Voldemort’s downfall?
  • Would killing Voldemort make Harry a martyr?
  • More JKR Quotes: Umbridge, Snape, Lily and graveyards.
  • We analyze Jo’s dream…again.
  • Does Harry’s blood make Voldemort continuously weaker?
  • Is Voldemort in debt to Harry?
  • Will Voldemort die himself if he kills Harry?
  • Crackpot Theory: Filch The Spy.
  • PO Box Update.

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Running time: 1:20:33, 37.2 MB

Episode 73: Old Skool Dumbledore

  • This week we’re joined by guest Mikey B.
  • After a bit of grumbling about Laura Mallory’s recent sure-to-fail appeal, we bring you a few show announcements, as well as some Prophecy 2007 information.
  • DEB.
  • Some bright listeners point out a couple more “hallow/gallow” references in the books.
  • Could Deathly Hallows come out on “Harry Potter Day”?
  • We revisit the connection between the title and Arthurian legend for a closer look.
  • Jo can’t imagine Harry growing up, or it will “ruin the plot”; is this ominous, or just Jo trying to lead us off the scent again?
  • Our very special interview features the biggest host to ever grace a Harry Potter podcast!
  • What spell did Dumbledore use against Voldemort in the Ministry?
  • Is the Ravenclaw Horcrux at Grimmauld Place?
  • Win a piece of Jamie’s suitcase! (No, we’re not kidding.)
  • Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul.

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Running time: 1:20:54, 37.4 MB

Episode 72: Micah’s Yule Ball Plans

  • This week’s show starts off with some very good news about live shows!
  • We announce a very BIG interview.
  • Apparently some of us didn’t see the connection between the hangman game on Jo’s site and the “Deathly Hallows”.
  • Speaking of Deathly Hallows, we have yet more ideas what it might mean!
  • We give everyone at home a short cultural lesson about death and its place in the world.
  • If the title is a reference to Halloween, does this mean spirits will return to earth?
  • Could “Hallows” be the spirits of those Voldemort murdered to create his Horcruxes?
  • Would they be able to help Harry kill Voldemort?
  • Why are Fred and George allowed to use their wands, and Hagrid can’t?
  • Is Scrimgeour evil?
  • British Joke.

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Running time: 54:33, 25.3 MB

Episode 71: The Ben is Back

  • Ben cries over The OC.
  • We discuss the hanged man and his significance to Deathly Hallows.
  • “Hallow” is an archaic word for “gallow”.
  • Perhaps there is a greater meaning to James hanging Snape upside down in OOTP than most of us realized.
  • Will Hermione’s ability to read Runes be useful?
  • Debate: Jo should release book 7 in July of 2007.
  • Jamie and Andrew (negating) vs. Eric and Laura (sort of) (affirming).
  • Can someone transform into a younger version of themselves using Polyjuice potion?
  • How is Hogwarts fighting childhood obesity without Phys Ed?
  • We wrap this week’s show up with a heart warming Chicken Soup for the MuggleCast Soul.

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Running time: 1:01:44, 28.6 MB

Episode 70: Goodbye 2006

  • In order to entertain you this New Year, we discuss all of the highlights of 2006!
  • We regale one another with all the laughter, touching moments, and practical jokes we’ve shared.
  • Remember, ladies and gentlemen, hotels don’t give out iPod fans for free in the lobby!
  • Did any of us actually fulfill our New Year’s Resolutions?
  • For the billionth time, we ponder a 2007 release for Deathly Hallows.
  • The moment you’ve all been waiting for: the premiere of Andrew’s Wizard Rock single!
  • As promised, we feature your variety remixes:
  • “What’s Coming”
  • “12 Days of MuggleCast”
  • “Love Room”
  • All this and more on this special New Year’s edition of MuggleCast!

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Running time: 1:41:01, 46.4 MB

Transcript 069

MuggleCast 69 Transcript

Show Intro

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[Intro music plays]

Andrew: Because Jo obviously listens to Micah, thank you, Maja, 15, of Slovenia, this is MuggleCast Episode 69 for December 22nd, 2006.

[Music continues to play]

Andrew: Hello, everyone! Welcome to this special Friday night edition of MuggleCast. There is no time to waste, we’ve got to get right into it. I’m Andrew Sims.

Jamie: I’m Jamie Lawrence.

Kevin: I’m Kevin Steck.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

[Music continues to play]


[NBC “Nightly News” music plays]

Micah: Breaking news at this hour, we have a new photo of Dan Radcliffe currently on display at the Michael Birt photo exhibition in Fulham, London.

I’m just kidding.

The real breaking news: JK Rowling yesterday revealed the title of the seventh and final installment in the Harry Potter series, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. There is no word yet on a release date, but people should note it took Jo roughly six months after revealing the title of Half-Blood Prince to announce the date it would hit bookshelves and then another seven months before the book actually came out.

However, I don’t think we’ll have to wait this long this time around. Plenty of discussion on all of this later in the show. Hopefully, Jo updates her Diary in the next few days to share some of her thoughts.

Speaking of Book Seven, Slash Film has a new interview with Prisoner of Azkaban director Alfonso Cuaron and another film director Guillermo Del Toro. In it, Cuaron discusses whether Harry could possibly die in the final book. He said:

“I don’t know, I had this same conversation with someone the other day about that. In one hand it makes sense, in the other hand – how do you finish Harry Potter if you kill Harry? What is the resolution of the tale? How is she going to finish the seven books and not have an temptation to do an eighth book? I don’t know. And that kind of stuff, I have a really good relationship with JK but I don’t mess with that.”

He goes on to mention a recent phone call he received from Jo congratulating him on his film Children of Men. He said:

“She really loved Children of Men. And we started talking and I said that it was a tough process doing the movie because of the brutality of what you’re doing, of what we’re picturing. And then she conveyed to me, ‘yes, yes, it’s been hard for me but when you do writing about the hard stuff, you have to sleep with that.’ But I don’t go into details.”

That’s all the news for this December 22nd, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Happy Holidays everyone! Back to the show!

Andrew: All right, thank you Micah-Tan the Anchorman.

Micah: You’re welcome.

Happy Holidays

Andrew: You know, it’s Episode 69 of MuggleCast and this was originally going to be our Christmas show and it still is for about…

Jamie: So, Merry Christmas.

Kevin: [laughs]Merry Christmas.

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, so Merry Christmas.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Happy Holidays, actually. Lets be fair. Happy Holidays, everyone.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: We hope you all get what you want. That just about does it for the holiday part of the show because, as everyone knows by now, the title of Book Seven was released. I can’t believe I’m actually saying, “The title of Book Seven was released.” This is the beginning of the end, guys.

Kevin: It is.

Jamie: It is.

Andrew: And I forgot to boast that we have six people here in the room this week, in the studio. We got a little extra MuggleCast money thanks to those Step Up ads, so we flew everyone out. Except for Ben, he had a debate this week. But everyone is here, everyone is in the studio. We had a little holiday party a little bit earlier, featured soda and Doritos.

Micah: Try the eggnog.

Laura: It was very festive.

Andrew: Eggnog. I didn’t like the eggnog.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: Yeah, but the ham was to die for.

Andrew: [laughs] Yes. Ben sent it direct from Kansas.

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: He slaughtered it himself.

Andrew: He killed a pig for us.

[Laura and Eric laugh]

Eric: He killed a boar.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So, we thank him in advance for that. So… [laughs] So…

Eric: That was very nice.


Andrew: We’ll get to our Book Seven discussion in a minute. We just want to remind everyone first to vote for us on Podcast Alley, and of course the new month is coming up. So don’t forget to place your vote once a month, just one vote. And we like being up top there to help spread the word about the show.

There is also a new way to help us spread the word about the show, Digg Podcasts. Over at Digg.com they have a new Podcasting section. We want to get up in the ranks over there too, so people who are into Harry Potter that visit social bookmarking websites like Digg can subscribe to our show and join the craze. So, that’s that.

And also, this is very important, MuggleCast t-shirts are going out of sale. This is the final week that we can ask everyone to purchase a MuggleCast t-shirt, like the GoDaddy and Step Up ads that you heard at the beginning of this show, the t-shirts help support the show week to week. Like for example, flying everyone out here to my house to record the show.

Eric: Yep.

Andrew: And it also helps fund our holiday parties, although next year I think we’re going to skip out on the eggnog.

Jamie: And our professional audio equipment as well, don’t forget that.

Andrew: Audio equipment, yeah. We have top notch audio equipment. So, we thank everyone. And if you’re thinking about it, now is the time to buy, because they are going out of sale quick. And then once sales have stopped, we will figure out any problems that people are having with their orders.

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

Andrew: All right, so, once again, Harry Potter – the title to Harry Potter Book Seven was released today, Thursday. We’re recording Thursday. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. [pronounces as “hollows”]

Jamie: Hallows.

Kevin: Hallows.

Laura: Hallows, not hollows.

Eric: Hallows.

Andrew: Hallows. [pronounces as hollows again]

Eric: Hallows! Don’t make the same mistake.

Andrew: Whatever.

Eric: Don’t make the same mistake.

Andrew: You know, I’ll tell you what, guys. I don’t even know where to start here. I guess we’ll start with number one on our list, [laughs] seems the most logical.

Eric: Well, wait a minute. What about us? What do we think about it? Seriously.

Andrew: Here’s what I immediately thought: Sorcerer’s Stone, an item, Chamber of Secrets, a place, Prisoner of Azkaban, a place, Goblet of Fire, an item, Order of the Phoenix, a…

Jamie: [laughs] How is Prisoner of Azkaban a place, Andrew?

Laura: [laughs] How is a person a…

Andrew: Or a place, a place.

Jamie: No, a person. A person.

Laura: [laughing] Prisoner of Azkaban is a person.

Kevin: It’s a person.

Andrew: [laughs] You know, I’ve been out all day. I’m just picturing the Azkaban. Anyway, Goblet of Fire, an item, Order of the Phoenix, a group, Half-Blood Prince, a person.

Jamie: A place.

Andrew: Yeah, and a place.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: What does this mean? What… Could this be a person, place, or item?

Jamie: Or thing? It could be anything, that’s the thing.

Andrew: It’s very interesting. Yes.

Jamie: Couldn’t it – I mean, we only really found out, apart from the obvious ones. Goblet of Fire is pretty surely a goblet, the Order of the Phoenix, an Order is usually a group of people, Prisoner of Azkaban was obviously a person. I think she’s – Chamber of Secrets a chamber of secrets, incidentally.

[Andrew and Kevin laugh]

Jamie: But we still have some idea. Philosopher’s Stone, we can do some research and find out. The only real research we can do into Deathly Hallows is etymo…

Laura: Pulling up our dictionaries, basically.

Jamie: Etymological, finally got it. Yeah, exactly. And working out the words. It could be anything really. I don’t know if she’s… And she has clearly done that to enhance the mystique surrounding Book Seven, because we could tell slightly on the other books. But in this, we’re just, we’ve just got no clue.

Laura: When I first saw it I was – I didn’t feel disappointed or anything, but when I looked at it I was…I didn’t think that it was nearly as precise as any of the other titles have been, I thought it was a lot more enigmatic. And we started getting all these e-mails pouring in with all these suggestions and ideas and stuff, and when we started going out and looking up “hallow” and what it actually could mean and the actual connotations behind it, it started to kind of take full form and kind of – all these theories started coming through, like could Hallows be Horcruxes because the definition of “hallow” is “to make holy or to consecrate.” It could be a holy item, and obviously a Horcrux is something holy to Voldemort. So, it could obviously be surrounding those because obviously Horcruxes can be deathly. They’re created by killing, so.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: That’s one idea.

Holy Trouble?

Micah: Do you think JK Rowling is going to get in trouble for referencing holy items?

Eric: Well, holy, I have a second definition for “hallows” which means to respect or honor greatly or revere. Which kind of made me think of respected magic and the reverent magic as in the ancient magic, and things that we don’t even really know about. But the Hallows being this respected, kind of again enigmatic. But the whole mysticism behind all these events that have taken place have to do with Voldemort and his Horcruxes. And the first word Deathly just being Harry crossing as close as he has ever come in between life and death. And that…

Jamie: Do you think that that means… Sorry, I thought you were finished.

Eric: No, no. That’s fine. I mean…

Is This Title All Encompassing?

Jamie: I was going to say, do you think that that means that this title is more sort of overarching for the series as a whole rather than specific to its book? Because it just seems like it could be an umbrella term for the entire – the key to the…

Eric: It’s true.

Jamie: …entire… If you understand the title behind it, than you understand the secret to the book. Because, maybe, I don’t know.

Eric: You know, I think it could be both. I think JKR may have become so good at it that she has just done Deathly Hallows being something, as we have in a rebuttal-type thing, for this book but also an umbrella term like you said, Jamie.

Jamie: Okay.

Eric: I think it’s just, yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah: Well, do you think she is taking creative license with the word too?

Andrew: She could be.

Taking Creative License

Micah: Because when you look it up, “hallow” is usually used as a verb, isn’t it?

Jamie: Oh, yeah. I mean, she has clearly made, you know, Deathly Hallows isn’t a phrase you’d ever find anywhere else apart from the title of Book Seven. It’s like, that is the thing. She seems to have – however much you read it into the dictionary definitions, that’s clearly an etymology that she has created. You know?

Laura: We actually… Oh sorry, Jamie. I didn’t mean to talk over you there. [laughs]

Jamie: That’s okay. I was just saying things, I couldn’t think of anything either.

Laura: Andrew will kill me for that later.

When The Veil Between The Worlds Grows Thin

Laura: This was actually from Alicia, and she said that she looked up Hallow on Google and she said that, “By Google’s definition, a Hallow is the beginning of the witches’ year, when the veil between the worlds grows thin and the spirits of the dead may return to earth.”

Jamie: Emphasis on the word veil?

Laura: Yes. Veil.

Jamie: Emphasis huge on the word veil.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: This has got me so excited.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Because you know that I love to harp on about how the Department of Mysteries is very, very important and how the Veil is going to play a pretty big role in Book Seven. So, is it possible that people are going to actually start [laughs] coming back from behind the veil in the seventh book like all these spirits?

Andrew: I just can’t believe that, because then the book just really becomes unreal, and like we were saying earlier, if Jo is skewing the words a little bit, then I think that this is definitely a possible theory. It’s excellent. [laughs]

Eric: I just don’t know. I mean, this book is – this has got to be a massive book. You know what? I’m scared, my primary emotion right now is scared, and do you know why?

Andrew: Because you’re going to be locked up in your room reading it for four days? Weeks?

[Jamie laughs]

Eric: No, I’m not scared, I’m actually looking forward to that. But I’m scared, because if you think about it, Jo has typically been, I would say a little courteous, to give us…

Jamie: A clue?

Eric: Yes, she has killed characters. She has killed characters in the past, but usually she’s done it at the end of the book. Right now, with Book Seven, we have a death on the front cover.

Laura: I don’t think…

Jamie: What do you mean?

Deathly Discussion

Eric: We have a death on the front cover. Deathly Hallows.

Jamie: No, it could just be descriptive. It could just be descriptive.

Eric: No, but the word death is on the front cover. We have a death on the front cover.

Laura: No, it says deathly, which implies something can cause death, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s saying that there’s a death, although I’m sure there will be. But…

Eric: [ laughs] I…

Micah: I think if they’re representative of the Horcruxes, then there definitely could be what Laura just said in terms of representing death.

Jamie: Death to the Hallows, yeah.

Eric: It has everything to do with immortality and life and death, and it seems like all the stuff that Voldemort’s been doing since Book One. I was thinking about that. Sorcerer’s Stone or Philosopher’s Stone, this whole series has really been about – you think Deathly Hallows has been this really sinister, doesn’t really fit with the rest of the series type thing, but it’s like a coming to realization that it has always been about life and death.

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: It has, yeah.

All Hallows Eve

Laura: Do you think there’s any connection between – we know that Lily and James died on Halloween, which is also known as All Hallows Eve. Do you think there’s any connection there?

Eric: Well, it’s just the etymology of the word. I mean, All Hallows Eve being… I mean, you could make the connection to…

Laura: Right, but it depends on how she’s using the word.

Eric: Yeah, that’s true.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Doesn’t it come back to Alicia’s point that Halloween is the day when the boundaries between the…

Laura: Dead and the living.

Jamie: Dead and the living, yeah, are the weakest.

Andrew: Jamie, maybe, you were saying how the title might encapsulate all seven books.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Maybe it has multiple meanings for just the one book.

Jamie: What? Oh, yeah. I mean…

Andrew: We also have to think about – we’ll get to this in a minute – but we also have to think about that she was debating. This was one of two.

Micah: Three.

Andrew: Three, three. She had three titles, and this is one of them.

Jamie: Yeah. Yeah.

Micah: Don’t worry, she told me the other two.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: So, at some point I’ll let you guys know what they are.

Andrew: Okay.

Jamie: That was good. They’ll be on e-Bay later tonight.

Does Jo Really Listen to Micah?

Laura: Micah, has she told you the release date yet, Micah?

Kevin: Yeah, it’s very similar.

Micah: No. Yeah, where is the love here, guys? How many times have I asked her?

Andrew: Let’s hand Micah the props that he deserves. Micah, what exactly did you say last week on the show?

Micah: Well, I said last week at the end of the news that I noticed she had updated her site after I had asked for something. Kevin, Laura and I were having a discussion about, I think it was innocents and traitors, and I mentioned something about her updating her site because it
had been so long since October 31. And sure enough, she did her little diary update last week.

Andrew: And you know what? At that point I was convinced that there was not going to be anything coming.

Micah: Right.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: You know, as a surprise.

Micah: And then at the end of the news last week, I said, “You know, she made an update, maybe I’ll have to ask for something big for Christmas from her.”

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: It’s a few days before Christmas, and what do we get? I don’t know.

Andrew: Micah, there’s a weird pattern going on. I’m, you know…

Micah: Think about what happened the first time I asked in my “What’s Buggin’ Micah” section. A few days later, she updates her site. I mention something about Halloween, she updates her site. This is going four for four right here.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: I don’t know.

Andrew: On the other hand

Laura: You know what, Micah? You know what I really appreciate? You had her update her site on my birthday.

Kevin: Awww.

Laura: That was really nice of you. I really appreciated that.

Eric: Awww.

Micah: Well, that wasn’t my intention, but… [laughs]

Laura: Thanks.

Eric: Send your payments to Micah and he will have Jo update her site for you.

Laura: On your birthday.

Eric: Specifically for you, yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: You guys have any other theories about the title?

Back to the Title Discussion

Kevin: Well, I was thinking, and I think I said it to Laura, I think that the meaning of the title is embedded, once again, in the middle of the book. There’s not much we can say – no, there’s not much we can say looking from…

Jamie: Actually Kevin, it’s embedded in the spine of the book.

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: No, it’s, what I’m saying is, we knew with prior books. There were hints given to us in the previous books that we had read that could allows us to make theories on the next title. I think that we haven’t seen any of what this title means, if that makes sense? Clearly.

Laura: Well, yeah. You kind of mentioned to me today that you thought it was like Half Blood Prince, where we didn’t really know what that meant.

Kevin: Right.

Laura: Until we read the book. Because a lot of people kind of assumed it was an actual prince, and it turned out not to be.

Eric: Well, kind of.

Jamie: Yeah, yeah. The thing is, we can so easily misinterpret titles, but this seems like, I don’t know. For me, it sums up the mood of the, well, I assume it’s going to sum up the mood of the book.

Andrew: Oh, yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: But you know, Eric, as you were saying, it’s got death on the front. But more so, it’s just got, you can’t call a book “Something, Something and the Deathly Hallows” without having destruction, death, and not a very happy time throughout the entire book. I don’t know. I think – sorry, go on. I can’t actually think of it.

Eric: I almost don’t think I would want to read – I mean, I don’t expect to read any happy moments in this book. Can you imagine reading a happy scene in a book called Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows? Or imagine the press for it?

Micah: So, what about the wedding?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Well, the wedding, hopefully nothing bad happens.

Jamie: It’ll be like Kill Bill.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It’s going to be a blood bath. Yeah.

Eric: The bride gets shot.

Jamie: A deadly wizard assassination squad.

Andrew: What makes me a little skeptical about analyzing the title so much, and I know that’s what people want to hear right now, but the Half-Blood Prince title – I think we’ve talked about this before – it doesn’t really sum up the book. It was one part of the book, but it wasn’t
the main part. That’s really what all of the books have been about so far. That’s what the titles have been.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: And then suddenly we jump onto Half-Blood Prince, which is just a book that Harry finds. I mean, he uses it to his advantage, but… I don’t…

Kevin: Yeah, but don’t you think there’s a possibility that it will be a pivotal part of the series? I mean…

Andrew: I think it will, but I don’t even know if it’s a pivotal… Oh! You mean The Half-Blood Prince?

Kevin: Right. For all you know, the reason why she named it that is because he is going to play such a large role in the next book that you can’t name it any other thing. You know what I mean?

Andrew: That’s true. That is true, yeah.

Jamie: Hey!

Kevin: She’s trying to draw your focus to the fact that hey, although I’m just breezing over this and lightly touching this topic, you know, it’s going to play a big role in the series.

Micah: Well, I agree…

Jamie: Digressing completely… Sorry, go.

Micah: No. I was going to actually say that I agree with you Jamie about this title is more, to me, it seems like it’s more all encompassing about what this final book is going to be about as opposed to…

Andrew: Uh huh.

Micah:Half-Blood Prince or Order of the Phoenix, which was about one specific item or one specific group or one specific person. I don’t see Deathly Hallows as being necessarily a group of people or something like that that we’re going to learn about. I think it’s more all encompassing in the sense of the book.

Kevin: Like a theme?

Micah: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: I think that’s possible as well. I just liked it because I think it automatically sets a very, very dark tone, and I think that’s something that the last book definitely needs.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Also…

Laura: I’m very happy with it.

Eric: It’ll just be in like the press. Like in the lines for the seventh book, seeing all the ten- year old kids, you know the eight-year olds and the Harry Potter wizards with their books and it’s like, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and all these kids are with them, you know? That’ll just look interesting.

Laura: You know what though? I like that.

Andrew: It’s about time. [laughs]

Laura: Because I think that children are greatly underestimated in what they can handle.

Andrew: Uh huh.

Laura: And I think that saying that kids can’t handle death is ridiculous because they absolutely can.

Eric: There’s clearly a… There’s one thing, you know, to say kids can’t handle death and there’s another thing for destroying their childhood, or not destroying, but taking them out of the childhood scheme of things. Childhood is an amazing thing and when you’re playing to that audience, you know? I never thought that Harry Potter was a children’s book but a lot of people I guess, you know, did and, you know, Deathly Hallows is like, to understand some of the real serious sinister – it was just more sinister than I was prepared for. I mean…

Kevin: Yeah, but like every book it’s sort of up to the parents to make the judgment call on whether it’s appropriate for their children.

Eric: It’s true.

Kevin: So, like any other book, you know, the parents should be reading it first saying, you know, “Is this what I want my children to be reading or not? And if so then I’ll let them have it, otherwise I’ll let them wait a couple of years.”

Jamie: You see…

Laura: Yeah. It’s the parents choice. Absolutely.

Jamie: But… Yeah, and let them decide for themselves.

Kevin: It’s just a parents responsibility. Yep.

Jamie: But.. But… You know, children should be taught early in life that, you know, life is a complete disappointment to them. It’s just full of, you know, problems.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: No, it’s true.

Laura: It is.

Jamie: And, you know, death in a book is, you know? No okay, seriously though. I think, and this could be a very obvious point but I think we need to remember, and I often forget, that, you know, for example the title of the fifth book isn’t Order of the Phoenix. It is still Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, so you need to remember that, you know, all of these are linked to Harry Potter. He encounters all of them, and every single one. So, it’s like the Deathly Hallows, it could be not descriptive because it’s Harry Potter and the…. So, Deathly Hallows couldn’t be a metaphor for something or a description of whatever because it wouldn’t make sense saying Harry Potter and the. So, I mean I’d like to say that it’s a physical thing or a place.

Eric: Or a set of things.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Laura: I hope it’s not a place. I really hope it’s not a place.

Jamie: It’s still identified with Harry, you know?

Eric: It’s right next to Godric’s Hollow there. Deathly Hallows.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Gosh.

Andrew: There’s like a sign.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: Godric’s Hollow this way.

Laura: Deathly Hallow this way.

Andrew: Deathly Halos this way. Hallows.

Laura: Halo? [laughs]

Eric: Halos. We’re going to be saying that like Deathly Hallows, you know, if we accidentally slip up and say Deathly Hollows, Deathly Shallows. Andrew and I were talking. We both said Deathly Shallows today. I mean, we know…

Andrew: I didn’t say shallow. I’m just telling everyone now, I’m going to screwing it up a lot

Laura: Yeah, hollows.

Andrew: Because all I can think of is Halo the video game whenever I read that title.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: So…

Eric: Deathly Halo.

[Jamie laughs]

Hallows vs. Hollow

Micah: Well, maybe we should address that for a moment because a lot of people wrote in about it.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: A lot of people seem to be confusing.

Kevin: Oh, yeah.

Jamie: You’re saying that Harry and Ron just sit on their X-Box 360s for the entire thing…

Eric: …and play Halo.

Jamie: …and play Halo.

Andrew: No, Godric’s Hollow you’re talking about, right?

Micah: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Well, there’s…

Micah: They’re not the same word.

Eric: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Laura: Now, a lot of people wrote in saying, “Oh, do you think this has a connection to Godric’s Hollow?” And I’m like, “No.” Well, I mean it could.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Kevin: Well, it’s an understanding…

Andrew: That’s a nice response. Laura. [laughs]

Laura: It’s an understandable mistake.

Kevin: Yeah, it’s legitimate.

Laura: But, I think that everyone needs to remember that “hallows” and “hollows” are not the same thing.

Eric: Well, and it’s kind of though. I mean it’s not kind of, but in the same context it shares context. When you think of hollow as being empty and revered, a silent place like a church of revered magic, an ancient magic and things like that. Hollow, Godric’s Hollow, can that tie it back to it? Am I solving the mystery? I don’t know, but what I’m saying is that, you know, hollow as being empty and, you know, foreboding kind of just adds to the mysticism, the feel of what I imagine the seventh book is going to be like.

Most Ominous Title of the Three?

Andrew: Right. Maybe, you know I’m thinking about it now. Maybe this is the most ominous title of all three.

Laura: It is.

Kevin: It is, yeah.

Laura: I think so.

Andrew: [laughs] Well, we don’t know the other two but…

Jamie: Or seven you mean. Oh, sorry I thought you…

Kevin: Oh, okay. All of them.

Laura: Oh, I thought you were talking about all the books.

Kevin: Yeah, same here.

Andrew: [laughs] No.

Jamie: [laughs] Andrew, you really need to re, you know, think.

Andrew: No, but it’s true. If she’s had three titles, what was the deciding factor on this one? It might be because it’s the most ominous, the one that gets the fans most excited because it’s so broad. You can’t…

Jamie: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Andrew: You’re going to be even more excited. For example, if Half Blood Prince was called, now I’m just speculating. If Half Blood Prince was called The Search for Horcruxes or something. Or just Harry Potter and the Horcruxes.

Eric: Harry Potter and the Great Snog Adventure.

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Harry Potter and Severus Snape’s Old Potions Book. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Kevin: But, I think that she may have chosen it just for that reason.

Jamie: Yeah, do you… But also, do you think it is because, like if you have Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets and you release that title, you can’t then go back and write out the Chamber of Secrets even if you hated it so much. But, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, you know, you can – it’s the kind of title where you can make it mean anything. So, perhaps she isn’t committing herself more then like if she had Harry Potter and the Final Showdown in Godric’s Hollow because then, you know, she can’t go back. And also, releasing a title she can’t change it. This is absolutely set in stone now.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: So, I think it’s also because she just doesn’t want to commit herself to one story line because she must be writing Book Seven, you know, completely different than the other ones where she has to tie up all the loose ends. She has to go back, change stuff.

Eric: Well, just on…

Andrew: Yeah. Well, that’s interesting about this book.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Because the stuff that you’re writing, you’re finished with and there’s no going back in a future book to change someone’s view of a certain topic or whatever.

Jamie: Well, precisely, yeah.

Eric: Not that she really does that.

Andrew: No, but you know what I mean. Like, once you write something in this book, for example – well I don’t know. I can’t think of anything right now, but it’s just everything is set in stone. It’s final and there’s no going back whereas with the other books maybe someone’s opinion could change on something. Or…

Kevin: Yeah. She had room to finagle the characters. Yeah.

Laura: There’s no room. Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. What’s in this book is going to be Harry Potter forever.

Eric: That’s true.

Andrew: That’s how she’s going to leave it.

Jamie: Exactly, yeah.

Eric: It’s true.

Laura: There’s no room for clarification outside of interviews and such, essentially.

Kevin: No.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Which I can’t even imagine what she’s going to do around press time for interviews and stuff.

Laura: Oh, man.

Kevin: And even then, the interviews you can’t really expect a normal reader to be reading the interviews.

Laura: No.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: Mhm.

Kevin: When your normal person just picks up the book and starts reading it, they’re going to get an impression of the book based on what’s written in it and she has to make sure it’s correct. Otherwise, you know?

Jamie: And also, it kind of, I don’t know, it has a metaphysical meaning, I’m sure, over just the literary meaning as well. She could argue that it represents – I mean, if you take the word “hallow” to mean the veil between the worlds, than you can also take it to mean the divide between good and evil, the divide between Harry and Voldemort.

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: And that, you know, it could mean so many things on so many different levels. Which I think is a good thing. I don’t think it’s good to have Harry Potter and the… and then…

Eric: And then specific…

Jamie: …and then exactly what’s going to happen…

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Or one pivotal thing. So, I think it’s a very, very, very interesting title.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Well, I have a question.

Laura: That said…oh, go ahead, Micah.

Andrew: Yes, Micah.

Are Hallows the Horcruxes?

Micah: Well, if you take it to mean that Hallows are the Horcruxes and you take the word before it, Deathly, as in causing death. I mean, you look at the fact that R.A.B died from the locket, Dumblehands – Dumbledore’s hand was dying…

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: …from the ring and maybe he was doomed to die anyway, and you think…

Jamie: Wait, Micah.

Micah: Yeah?

Jamie: Sorry. I don’t – are you sure? R.A.B didn’t actually die from…

Laura: I don’t think we know how he died.

Jamie: The locket…

Eric: Well he…

Jamie: It didn’t kill him. It just…

Eric: It could have been in the pursuit of Horcruxes.

Laura: Yeah, he could have…

Jamie: Oh, I think he was – yeah.

Micah: Or after he destroyed it he died from…

Kevin: Something related.

Micah: Whatever.

Eric: Maybe…

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: I always assumed he died from drinking…

[Kevin laughs]

Laura: …the stuff.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Well, my point is perhaps tied to each Horcrux is going to be somebody’s death.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: Hmmm.

Micah: Perhaps you can’t destroy a Horcrux without somebody dying. I mean, perhaps Harry just got lucky in Chamber of Secrets with the diary.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: So, you create one by killing somebody and then somebody else has to die for it? That kind of sucks.

Micah: It’s just a suggestion.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: That’s one way of putting it, yeah.

Eric: Well, no, I mean, that’s cool. But, that would really stink if that were the case. Could be.

When Will Book Seven Be Released?

Laura: That said, do you think we’re going to be seeing Book Seven next year?

Kevin: Oh, geez.

Andrew: Yeah, this is going…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …to go into a whole discussion.

Kevin: Same.

Jamie: I would love to not see it next year. It’s over after this.

Laura: I know.

Jamie: It is actually over.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It’s so sad, but…

Andrew: And just the timing would be bad in the sense of school and the movie next summer.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: And…

Eric: That’s what I hate about it.

Laura: What do you mean school? No one is going to be in school.

Andrew: Well, hold on, nobody…

Eric: They totally ruined…

Andrew: Now, wait a second. Yeah, what? Go ahead, Eric, finish that.

Eric: They ruined 7-7-07. We talked about this. By doing a movie on 7-12 they don’t – they aren’t going to do the book on 7-7-07, and if they do it’ll be really stupid because everything will be jumbled. There will be no way to get the information across, what was good, what you like about it, everybody will be forced to condense their opinions and not elaborate on anything. And they’ll – it’s too much too soon.

Kevin: Yeah, but I mean…

Micah: But I think, as Jamie so eloquently put it last time, she can’t just pull the book out of her *BLEEP*

[Everyone laughs]

Jamie: Oh, thank you, Micah.

Micah: You know what I mean? If it’s not ready by then, it’s not ready.

Jamie: Oh, yeah. Well, it’s true.

Eric: Well, what do you guys think? Because on her website when – I’m sorry, Laura. When Micah just asked her to do that little blurb thing and she did about…

[Andrew, Kevin, Laura, and Micah laughs]

Andrew: Well, let’s…

Eric: Sorry, that may have been jumping to a few conclusions, [Micah laughs] but I’m sure we’ve made them already on this show. So, when JKR wrote that thing in her diary about doing the scenes that have been planned for 12 years, do you think that means she’s towards the beginning or towards the end of the novel?

Andrew: I think that has got to be towards the end.

Eric: Do you think?

Jamie: Yeah, it must be.

Andrew: Because if you’ve had this story in the back of your head, this part of the story, for the past 12 years, you’re not thinking about…

Kevin: Yeah, absolutely.

Andrew: …the middle when you’re looking for – I mean, I don’t want to say fluff, but because…

[Jamie laughs]

Andrew: maybe she has had the final book all mapped out in her head, so I don’t know.

Eric: Did she start by writing the in-between places? I mean, what exactly do you guys think is the process? Because we know…

Jamie: Well, she said that…

Eric: She has had the last chapter for a long time.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: And she can tweak it, but…

Jamie: She has to make the rest of the book fit in with the final chapter rather than the other way around if you think about it.

Kevin: Well, I think she…

Jamie: Sorry.

Kevin: I think the final chapter is – she knows where she wants to go, you know what I mean? So…

Eric: Well, she’s not done.

Jamie: Well, I hope she does by now. After six books.

[Andrew, Eric, Jamie, and Micah laugh]

Kevin: Well, the final chapter, the fact that she has a final chapter says “This is where I want to be at the last chapter of this book.”

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin; So, mapping the books out based on that…

Andrew: Should be easier.

Kevin: It should be easier, yeah. I mean, in my mind, anyway.

Andrew: Not to say [laughs] her job’s easy.

Kevin: Exactly, yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Kevin; Not to downplay the fact that it is a monumental task. But still it’s – you would think it would be easier knowing where you want to go.

Laura: Even if she has it planned out, that doesn’t mean that things haven’t changed. You know?

Kevin: That’s true, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, things have got to change.

Laura: I mean, you may have something planned out, but it could be an extremely vigorous 20-page chapter, and that takes time.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: So, I mean, we can’t assume that we’re going to see a book next year.

Jamie: No.

Laura: But, I think, especially considering that she has released the title, I don’t think it’s impossible at this point.

Micah: Yeah. I was going to ask, what do you think releasing a title tells us about where she is in writing the book? I mean, is it easier to decide on a title at the end or towards the end as opposed to the beginning?

Andrew: I see it this way. Half-Blood Prince, the title was revealed on June 29, 2004. That is roughly a year and about two weeks prior to the actual release of the book. So, if we were to follow this pattern, which I would think she would be trying to, she would be following the same pattern because, I mean, well, I don’t know. [laughs] I have no real explanation.

Eric: So, taking that into account. I wasn’t really…

Andrew: Taking that into account you would think the book would be released January, yeah, January 2008.

Eric: They should push that back to June.

Andrew: Yeah. The thing is I… It’s not like Jo to write – I don’t think she would release a book in January.

Kevin: Well…

Laura: No.

Andrew: For a January release.

Jamie: She wouldn’t, would she.

Eric: No, it would probably be a summer release.

Does Jo Choose The Release Date?

Kevin: And do you think that Jo has a choice of when it’s released?

Eric: Yeah, I think she has a choice.

Kevin: I mean she has a say in it, but you would…

Jamie: Oh yeah, definitely.

Kevin: Think that the publishers would be the ones to give the best recommendation.

Eric: Jo Rowling is untouchable. Okay. If she wants a book done…

Jamie: They can’t say, “Publish it February this year.”

[Micah laughs]

Jamie: Then she says, “Well, I haven’t written it yet.” “Tough.”

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: “You’ve had a week and a half. Do it.”

Kevin: What I’m saying is after she’s done with it.

Eric: Yeah.

Kevin: After she is done with it the publishers say, “I think it would be best to release it around this date.” And the likelihood of her going against her publishers and saying that is…

Eric: Well, no. But, what are they going to say? They’re – and I understand what you’re saying, Kevin. The publishers are going to meet with her, and…

Kevin: They are going to say the date that is going to be most optimal for sales.

Eric: No, not the date. Do you really think they know to the specific date what book date is going to get the best book sales?

Kevin: No, I’m talking about…

Laura: No, he’s talking about the time of year.

Kevin: When she finishes the book. The time of the year that…

Eric: Well, yeah. But they’re going to say, Scholastic is going to say their biggest time and the ideal time to release this will be summer. Now, as far as getting more specific about that…

Kevin: Right, and that is what I’m saying.

Eric: Well, yeah. But as far as getting more specific about that…

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: I think Jo would actually have some – you know, they’re not going to say, “We have to do either the weekend of the 14th or the 21st of June.” If she wants to do a July release, I’m sure they’ll be a little lenient because summer is their biggest time.

Jamie: Yeah, they will.

Kevin: Of course. But what I’m saying is that I don’t see it being released during January, because it doesn’t seem like the normal time for such a large book to be released.

Micah: But, I don’t think it would affect the sales. I think it would still sell a tremendous amount.

Eric: No, of course not.

Jamie: Oh no.

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: But you’ve got to – I mean, also I think we have to take this into account. It’s not only a book release, but a sort of end of era release. Because people aren’t going to be queuing up in book stores and then reading the book and then waiting and going online. This is going to be the parties to end all parties.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: The queues to end all queues.

Kevin: Yeah, and I suspect that they’re going to be releasing some – they’ve been releasing special editions, but I have an itching suspicion they’re going to go further than that this time.

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Kevin: Like, you know…

Laura: What do you think is going to happen… [laughs]

Kevin: Rare edition, or something like that.

Laura: You know all these…

Jamie: Or, the adolescent edition?

Laura: You know all these conventions they have going on next summer? Like, Prophecy and [laughs] all this other stuff?

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: It’s going to be so blown out of the water [laughs] if the book comes out.

Andrew: Oh, yeah, there’s going to be…

Laura: Oh, man.

Andrew: There’s going to be groups on it and stuff. Not that we’re complaining…

Jamie: We should do a convention.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, let’s do our – the MuggleNet convention.

Eric: Yes, that would be so organized.

Andrew: Featuring all of us.

Eric: Oh, my gosh. I…

Andrew: [laughs] But anyway…

Jamie: It’s true, though. It’s true.

Andrew: It’s interesting, because we have heard a lot from Jo this past week. And by a lot, I mean one diary update, but for her, that’s a lot. [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, more than usual.

Andrew: A sentence would be a lot in most cases.

Eric: And she’s busy. And she’s busy, you know?

Determining Release Dates

Andrew: Yes, yes. Any dream experts here on the panel today?

Micah: Well, I have a release date before we get to the dreams.

Kevin: Oh, okay.

Eric: And even before that…

Andrew: Yeah, while we’re still on this.

Eric: Well, what Andrew was saying about, you know, she released the title, so is it following the same pattern as before on when we can expect the book? Maybe, but what I wanted to say was, you know, if you recall, she did, you know, Sorcerer’s/Philosopher’s Stone, it came out in ’96/’97, Chamber of Secrets one year later, Prisoner of Azkaban one year later, Goblet of Fire one year later, but she felt it was such a rush, you know, she was very displeased with having to cram 734 pages into a year, so, she took her time and the movies came out, and she, you know, it was three years to write Book Five, which was…

Laura: Yeah, but…

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: Which was up to date, the longest. Now…

Andrew: Then another two.

Laura: Eric, you have to remember, though, that she had been planning those books for years before they were published, so it’s very likely…

Jamie: Precisely, yes.

Laura: …that large parts of the first four books were already written by the time they started taking off.

Andrew: And not to state the obvious, but they were shorter. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Jamie: And there seems to be a cutoff, as well.

Eric: But what I’m saying, too, is that we can’t just say, “Okay, so, you know, Book Six, you know, we had the title at this point, so we can expect Book Seven at the same time.” Book Seven is hopefully going to be bigger, and maybe, you know, she gave us this title because it was kind of a maybe dead air in the HP fandom. Maybe she gave us this title because she really likes how Book Seven is turning out, but she still has a little way to go on it. I mean, you know, we talked all about, and we all agreed, that we wanted her to take her time on this. I don’t think it’s going to be, I don’t think it’s comparable to the time it took between Book Six to get out and Book Seven.

Jamie: There were like – the differences were there. I mean, I always saw Book Four as a cutoff between, you know, you could almost see the series in two parts: Books One to Four…

Eric: Well…

Jamie: …and then Five to Seven.

Eric: Yes, but that’s literally, as well.

Jamie: But… But… No, no, no.

Eric: I mean, the release date, as far as she’s taking her time with these last ones.

Jamie: No, no, of course not, but you also have to remember that she wasn’t as experienced a writer back then.

Eric: That’s true.

Jamie: And now she’s a lot more used to it, you know? And you can definitely say that, because you know, it’s like, she’s used to more deadlines.

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: She’s used to getting people what they want and stuff like that.

Andrew: Yeah, and just think about it. I mean, after she had Book One out, it started – it got popular pretty quick. Not to the level it is now, but she must’ve been…

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: …really excited about how the books were going, so of course she wanted to work on – she probably wanted to work on them more, and maybe try to get them out faster because of how popular they were.

Eric: I don’t know about that, though. Like, because you know, Book Five, she had a lot to do, and you know, the first two movies came out.

Andrew: Well, but then she learned that she would have to wait. I mean, she would have to take her time with it.

Eric: Yeah, because…

Andrew: What I’m saying is, she might have just gotten caught up in all the excitement, that’s why a book came out, you know, one after the other, those first three or four.

Eric: Oh, yeah.

Jamie: Yeah, exactly.

Eric: They were significantly shorter books to write.

Andrew: And that, too, of course.

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Yeah.

Micah’s Release Date

Micah: So…

Andrew: So… [laughs]

Laura: So, Micah…

Andrew: So, Micah, [laughs] you have a prediction, and you know what? I think all the listeners should take this very seriously, because…

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: I agree.

Andrew: …with the trend Micah’s going, I would not be surprised if it comes true. Micah, please.

Eric: Just guess.

Micah: What do you guys think about a release date of October 31st, 2007?

Andrew: I like it. Oct – November 1st, 2007, we’ll be playing that clip of what you just said on the show and bragging about it.

Jamie: We will, we will.

Micah: Well, because, not only – you know, okay, it’s symbolic, but it brings the whole series full circle. It was the night that Harry’s parents died, it’s the night that the whole series started.

Jamie: That’s – yeah.

Micah: It would be a fitting way to end the whole series as well.

Laura: Yeah, I think it’s very fitting, but I went and looked at my calendar, and Halloween is on a Wednesday. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Wah, wah, wah!

Micah: Well,

Eric: I mean, that doesn’t stop them doing like…

Micah: Yeah, I mean…

Eric: You know, Lord of the Rings comes out on Wednesday, I mean, or it did.

Laura: Yeah, but that’s a little different. You can’t have midnight release parties…

Andrew: That’s a movie release.

Laura: …on a Wednesday night.

Kevin: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: It’s true, it’s true.

Andrew: Ohhh, we got school tomorrow!

Eric: Well, they should just.

Jamie: But, but she has so much influence now, that she can just get the calendars fixed.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Kevin: I know. Schools will be cancelled across the…

Jamie: It will fall on a Saturday if she wants it to.

What’s Wrong With Wednesday?

Andrew: Let’s talk bout that for a minute. If a book came out on a Wednesday, do you think so many people would…

Laura: Skip school?

Kevin: Yeah.

Jamie: Skip school, yeah.

Laura: I would.

Andrew: …not go to school the next day, like it would be a big, hot item on the news, and like…

Eric: Yeah, and…

Jamie: I would not be surprised at all.

Eric: You know, that’s why I think it’s a good idea to release it in the summer, because…

Kevin: Yeah.

Eric: …this book will probably take a long time to read, and if they… Especially if…

Kevin: Harry Potter dead.

Eric: …it’s in the middle of the week. JKR will get blamed for like, so much truancy and absences and stuff, like what do you even think, with a title like Deathly Hallows? What is Laura Mallory going to say about this?

Laura: Yeah, if her kids skip school that day.

Micah: Who cares?

Laura: It’ll be J.K. Rowling’s fault. [laughs]

Jamie: Don’t know, don’t care, yeah.

Harry Potter Transcends All Ages

Eric: No, well, they don’t care, but are all the book witchcraft purists – Deathly Hallows, “death” is in the title, and they’re selling this to ten-year olds. You know? Who is at fault for that? I mean, this is like, a dark book, you know? They’re going to try to release it, I think, summer’s obviously the ideal.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: I think that’s good, though. The title, with having the word death in it, because it’ll make it – people who see Harry Potter as a children’s book will think, “Oh, death. Oh, Jesus.”

Jamie: Yeah. Yeah. It’s a challenge to people, as well.

Andrew: Mhm.

Jamie: You know? If you like it, you read it, it’s got nothing… She’s saying that, you know, “It’s my book, I’ll call it what I want, and if you don’t want to read it because it’s got the word ‘death’ in it, then whatever.” Everyone is still going to read it

Andrew: Right.

Jamie: I would still want to read it.

Andrew: Well, you know, some people are like… There’s people in the United States, I’m sure, in the UK, that people are like, “Oh, Harry Potter, that’s lame,” and stuff, but they haven’t read it, and I’m not saying everyone would enjoy it, because some people it’s just not their thing.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: However, it really – I, you know, I’m just preaching to the choir here, but it’s really [laughs] not a children’s book.

Jamie: Yeah.

Andrew: But anyway, I don’t really want to go into that.

Laura: No, it’s a book that – it transcends all ages, essentially, I mean.

Eric: It really does.

Laura: It’s a children’s book because…

Jamie: Where’d you read that one, Laura?

[Kevin laughs]

Laura: Thank you, Jamie.

[Andrew, Laura, and Eric laugh]

Jamie: Sorry.

Laura: No, because it is a children’s book because children can read it. It’s also an adult book because adults can read it.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: And there’s so many parallels and stuff. I mean, I was trying to think the other day about fantasy and the thing about fantasy novels, fantasy fiction, Lord of the Rings and Narnia especially and Harry Potter.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: They’re not really fantasy in ways. I mean, yes the main means of magic and things like that are fantasy, but really there’s so many political annotations, connotations, all sorts of things like that. It really tells an allegory of real life, of non-fiction, and each author is kind of-with Jo’s you don’t ramp onto this whole death and life level. Each author in these fantasy series is really just telling a kind of a skewed version of life; you know, what they believe life to be like.

Jamie: But that’s what literature is.

Eric: That’s true.

Jamie: It’s giving your own opinions on, you know, the world as it is and she’s doing it. She’s clearly, you know…

Eric: Even in fiction, you know?

Jamie: Oh, especially fiction!

Eric: Especially fiction. Exactly.

Jamie: Because you can present it in a way that doesn’t show that you actually believe it. Like if your main character is, I don’t know, racist, you can say, “Well, I’m not racist.”

Eric: Yeah.

Jamie: Because, you know, it’s my character. You know, you can do whatever you want with it.

Eric: Exactly, but I was just saying when I was very upset about death and I was like, “Does everybody have to die?”

Laura: Yes.

Eric: In life, is that how she truly feels, and is that fantasy? Fantasy I’m trying to think, but even in the old child, nursery rhymes and fairy tales are all about death. So, one could argue that this isn’t really feeding children death more than they are, but what I was saying is basically that, the books, being fantasy you kind of expect-is there any happy fantasy novel? Basically, I mean Alice in Wonderland she goes through a lot of stuff. Is there any fantasy novel that is actually fantasy, where you can get lost in a book like Reading Rainbow used to tell me?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yes.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: But how light is that? Seriously, like all these stories seem to be, like, really dark telling stories about life through the fantasy persona. It’s just I haven’t seen really like a fantasy novel that hasn’t done that. Like there’s no good, happy fantasy story. But that’s just…Deathly Hallows, go figure.

Andrew: Yes, sorry.

Jamie: Nice summary.

Andrew – The Psychiatrist

Andrew: Yes. Now, let me tell you what guys. I like getting into people’s minds. I aspire to be a psychiatrist when I grow older.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: Or a psy… Oh.

Andrew: Or a psychic. Is that what you were going to say?

Jamie: No. I was going to say or a psychologist.

Andrew: Or a psychiatrist, or psychologist whatever.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: The point is…

Jamie: Or, of course, a brain eating bug or something, Andrew, that you’d be in their mind. [laughs] That’s funny.

Andrew: Did anyone get that?

Laura: What did you say? [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Was that 45,000 people just going silent for a few seconds?

[Andrew, Eric, and Laura laugh]

Jamie: Yeah, but you said you aspire to be in a… Okay don’t put that in there.

Andrew Analyzes Jo’s Dream

Andrew: Oh no, it’s got to go in now. So anyway, this got me. J.K. Rowling on her site earlier this week said that she had a dream being in Harry’s world, but it’s not that that got me. It’s that this was her first dream about being in Harry’s world. Now, have any of you ever had a dream about being in the Harry Potter world?

Laura: Yeah, I have. I don’t remember any specifics.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Laura: But I know I have.

Andrew: Yeah. You don’t want to tell us because it’s probably very embarrassing.

Jamie: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, probably.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I went into the school with my cloak, and I had my book and cauldron with me.

Kevin: Oh god.

Eric: [laughs] Oh, god.

Andrew: And I had my pet. Yeah. I’m sure I have once or twice. Now what gets me about this is that Jo says this is her first time having a dream about being in Harry’s world.

Jamie: Well, she writes enough of it I guess. You know?

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, but isn’t… Now, I’m not a dream expert. That’s why I was asking earlier, is anyone up on this dream thing?

Eric: Yeah. I kind of…

Andrew: What effects your dreams? What influences them? I want to hear from Kevin about this, because I’m sure…

Kevin: I’ve heard that the experiences of your day have an effect on what your subconscious mind is thinking when you’re going to sleep.

Andrew: Right. Right.

Kevin: So, when you think about Harry Potter all day it’s more likely that you’re going to have a dream related to it because your mind has been, you know, thinking on it all day.

Andrew: Right. Now, what does this tell us about how Jo is writing Book Seven right now?

Eric: I think it means she’s going into it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah.

Eric: She’s getting so far into it that… Whereas she probably… If this is her first dream she has had a very distinctive persona in her mind where conscious mind and subconscious mind. Harry Potter is so much on her conscious mind that she thinks about realistically where none of us can really do that, because we only read it. We didn’t create it. And now, she’s going so far into things that I just think if she’s having dreams about the stuff that she’s writing that she lives in her conscious mind too. I mean, it’s got to be crazy. You know? Dreams have been said to be a playground for your subconscious. All of the things you don’t think about during the day, the things you notice. All of the things you don’t think about are going into your dreams, having fun, all the different people, all the different characters. You know? All that stuff. Now for JKR to have dreams, it’s got to mean something like crazy.

Andrew: I think it just means that it’s getting to her.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: And I don’t want to sound like we’re judging her or anything, but I think it’s really starting, like the pressure. I’m sure the pressure has been there, but the pressure is really starting to build up to the point where, I kind of feel it’s out of my place to say this…

Kevin: I…

Andrew: …but it’s just getting to her to the point where it’s like frustrating. It’s the final book. There’s so much pressure on it.

Eric: I don’t think that at all.

Laura: I don’t think so.

Eric: I don’t think she’s being pressured to do anything. I mean…

Kevin: I think she’s pressuring herself, if anything.

Eric: Yeah, pressuring herself to make it the best. She has to please a lot of people. I mean, she doesn’t have to, but ideally.

Laura: I think this kind of relates directly to the possibility of the seventh book coming out next summer, because I’m sure as release time comes closer, she’s going to be feeling a lot more stressed and if she’s never had a dream about Harry Potter in the what?

Eric: Twelve, 13.

Laura: Twelve, 13 years that she’s been writing it.

Eric: Actually 15 or 16.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Right, and then it just happens overnight?

Laura: And then it just happens? Yeah. It means that the seventh book is very close to coming out. That’s what it means to me.

Jamie: I’ve been writing essays for ten years…

Kevin: Yeah, really.

Jamie: …and I’ve never dreamt of myself sitting there on my computer.

Laura: Yeah, but it’s a little different.

Andrew: Okay, come on. Essays…

Laura: Essays are required.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: Harry Potter is a huge part of her life.

Andrew: A school essay. What are you dreaming about? All Quiet on the Western Front you’re dreaming about Paul? [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, I… Yeah, I dreamt… Yeah, Andrew, I had… Yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: Being in Paul’s position? [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah. I was lying in this trench.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Jamie: And then my mom called me for breakfast. And I…

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: And you were having a smoke with Kat? [laughs]

Jamie: Yeah. Yeah. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Jamie: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I keep imagining myself in all these war films like I’m in Saving Private Ryan.

Andrew: But seriously Jamie, don’t you think this means it’s really…

Jamie: No, you see…

Andrew: That she’s completely enthralled in it. When you’re dreaming about it for the first time, but it’s your life!

Jamie: No, I… No, but I think it’s the opposite. If I spend all day answering e-mails, I will never dream about that.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But, you can’t dream about e-mails though, I’m talking about a real-life situations!

Jamie: No, but, Andrew… But, Andrew…

Laura: Yeah, but see, answering emails is something that you have to do, Jamie. Writing this book is something she chooses to do.

Jamie: Well, she has to…but, but, but, if you do enough of something you won’t dream about it because it’s off your mind. You can handle it during your waking hours.

Eric: Yeah. That’s exactly what I said.

Jamie: You dream about stuff you can’t handle during your waking hours, so it has to go into your subconscious. It’s like…

Laura: Well, I know that’s true because it’s been said that the last thing that you think about before you fall asleep tends to be involved in your dreams.

Eric: Yeah, but it’s…

Jamie’s Dream and More Dream Analysis

Jamie: That’s not true because I had a dream that I was walking down the street and I bumped into this group of guys and they started trying to sort of punch me and hit me. So…

Eric: Clearly, that’s not something that you go to bed…

Jamie: and they said that they’d go away and stop it if I bought them this fried egg from a food stand next to them.

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: But Laura, I did not think about that before I went to sleep, I assure you.

Laura: Yeah, but you said that if you do something and if you won’t dream about it and to be perfectly honest, I spend tons of time talking to you guys and you’ve been in my dreams before.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It’s like, I’ve had dreams where I’m like, where we’ll all be together and talking and stuff and I talk to you guys every day. [laughs]

Jamie: But, it doesn’t mean that we’re actually about your dreams, it’s like, it could all be – it could mean something else, like Andrew being in any good dream could just be a sort of…

Andrew: It means you like me!

Laura: Uh, yeah, that’s right. [laughs]

Jamie: Concerned about… Yeah, yeah. No, no. Like you’re a…you’re like thinking about something male, it’s just a representation of stuff.

Eric: It fits though.

Andrew: Your dreams can morph from one thing into another, I mean, dreams are…

Jamie: Of course they can. But…

Eric: And that’s the other thing, it’s also been said that people have thousands of dreams every night and we only remember a few of them.

Jamie: No, that’s true, Eric, that’s absolutely true, you just don’t remember them all.

Eric: Your mind is on constant – your mind is constantly entertaining itself.

Laura: [laughs] So, I dream about you guys thousands of times a night?

Eric: Well, it doesn’t mean, necessarily about us…you could dream about…

[Laura laughs]

Jamie: I dream about you, Laura. All of my waking hours.

Andrew: I have nightmares about Laura.

Laura: Oh, thanks.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: The audience will laugh at that.

Laura: Yeah, I’m sure they will.

Andrew: I almost heard it, it was so funny. Anyway, no I’m kidding. [laughs]

The Rest of Jo’s Dream

Micah: But, Andrew…

Andrew: Yes, Micah?

Micah: What about the rest of what she said and what she specifically dreamt about?

Andrew: What else did she say? What else did she say?

Micah: She said that, in her dream, she was both Harry and the narrator simultaneously and she was searching for a Horcrux in a giant crowded hall. But, this is interesting because, could she have been writing about this in particular? Especially, when she says that she “knew perfectly well that the Horcrux was jammed in a hidden nook in the fireplace while, as Harry, I was searching for it in all kinds of other places.” That’s kind of odd. Does that mean that that’s where one is in the book and she was writing about it earlier that day? I mean…

Laura: Eh, I don’t think so. What I think it is – have you ever heard about authors discussing how their characters will develop their own minds and want to do certain things and they can’t really stop their characters from doing that? Like, Jo, at one point, mentioned during Book Four Hermione actually wanted to go off and do the S.P.E.W. thing and she just let her do it. And I think this could be something to do with, maybe, having a hard time getting something the way she wants it in the books. So, on the one hand she’s trying to be Harry and make him do what she wants him to do and at the same time she’s trying to be the narrator.


Episode 69: The Beginning of the End

  • HOLY CRAP! Forget about Christmas, there’s a Book 7 title!
  • We discuss what the “Deathly Hallows” could be.
  • Are they the remaining Horcruxes?
  • Does this title encompass the theme of the series as a whole?
  • Is there a connection with the murder of Lily and James on Halloween?
  • Will we see Book 7 in 2007 after all?
  • Micah predicts October 31st. You hear that, Jo?
  • Andrew tries to interpret Jo’s HP dream.
  • Somehow this turns into analyzing life as she writes the final book.
  • We dream of each other.
  • Jamie presents a plethora of puns and jokes.
  • We each discuss what we’ll be doing in the coming week to celebrate the holidays.
  • Have a happy and safe Holiday!

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MuggleCast 68 Transcript

Show Intro

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[Intro music plays]

Andrew: Because Laura Mallory lost her appeal, thank you, Ryan, 14, of Basking Ridge, New Jersey, this is MuggleCast Episode 68 for December 17th, 2006.

[Music continues to play]

Andrew: Everyone, I am in a festive mood this week.

Micah: So am I, Andrew.

Laura: Yeah, absolutely.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I’m right there with you.

Andrew: I am – I’m dressed up in my finest holiday clothing, I am drinking eggnog with pickles.

Micah: You have a Santa hat on?

Andrew: Yes, I do. And I have Christmas music on in the background, can you hear it?

Laura: Oh, yeah.

Micah: Yep.

Andrew: The Hogwarts theme. It’s very Christmassy, isn’t it?

Laura: Yup. [laughs]

Andrew: We’re here with Dylan this week. Dylan, thanks for joining us.

Dylan: My pleasure, Andrew.

Andrew: You haven’t been on in a while.

Dylan: Yep, but maybe next time, I can be on when I don’t have a sore throat. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, I heard you had a craaazy night last night. [goofy laugh]

Dylan: It was a festive party.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Well, that’s good. Well, we’ll talk about that a little later on. We have a good show for everyone this week. In case you were wondering, Jamie and Ben are god knows where, and Eric’s… [laughs] Eric’s out, too, but they should all be back next week along with Kevin.

Micah: Don’t forget about Kevin.

Andrew: No, I didn’t forget. [laughs] Along with Kevin. So, I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Dylan: And I’m Dylan Spartz.

[Music continues to play]


Micah: Laura, Laura, Laura, Laura, Laura.

Laura: What?

Micah: No, not you. Laura Mallory! Her case for removing the Harry Potter books from Georgia’s libraries was dealt another blow on Thursday, as the Georgia Board of Education made a unanimous decision to keep the books.

The Gwinnett County school board also voted previously for the books to remain, but Mallory appealed the decision to the state school board. Mallory, who has been working for over a year to ban the books, has shown no signs of giving up, as there is talk of yet another appeal. We have footage covering the story from Fox 5 in Atlanta including an interview with Mallory herself, who claims the HP series is “mainstreaming witchcraft to our children and presenting it in a child-friendly format that’s dangerous and deceptive.”

Thank you, Professor Umbridge.

A new photo depicting Dan Radcliffe and Order of the Phoenix director David Yates was officially released by Warner Brothers this week. It was originally printed in the December 18th issue of Newsweek with an accompanying article. Additionally, French magazine Cinelive has a new photo with Dan with his wand at the ready on their cover and the January/February 2007 edition of Premiere magazine has a preview of the upcoming fifth film.

Order of the Phoenix merchandise isn’t expected to hit shops until next year, but the first Phoenix t-shirt is now available for pre-sale. It features Voldemort from the promotional poster released earlier this year and costs just $15. However, the t-shirt is in limited stock, only available online and must be purchased by this Monday, December 18th.

Cards Incorporated, the company that recently received the European license for Harry Potter merchandise, has released some new details pertaining to their Order of the Phoenix line. The firm understands the Potter audience is maturing, and will therefore be aiming its Order of the Phoenix products at both young and old customers. Some major retailers have already been given previews of the upcoming line of toys, and have been hugely impressed by both their range and quality. The first wave of this exciting new Harry Potter merchandise will hit stores this June, in conjunction with the July release of Order of the Phoenix.

Lycos has released their list of the top 50 search terms for 2006. Despite having no new book or movie this year, Harry Potter remained on the list at number 40, which is a drop from its rank of 27 in 2005.

At the Eragon premiere in London, Katie Leung, Bonnie Wright, and the Phelps twins were present at the film’s first showing, and they attended the after-party. You can see a few photos over at Shurtugal.com.

Finally, Jo put up some Christmas decorations on her site the day after I asked her to do something on last week’s edition of MuggleCast. Perhaps I’ll have to ask for something big for Christmas.

That’s all the news for this December 17th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you Micah.

Micah: Oh, you’re welcome.


Andrew: Well, we have a few announcements this week, and then we will move on with our regular show. MuggleCast t-shirts are going out of sale very soon. There’s only two or three weeks left. We can’t guarantee them for Christmas, however, if you purchase a MuggleCast t-shirt I will guarantee – personally guarantee – that you will, um, be happy for the rest of you life.

Dylan: Eternal happiness! [laughs] That’s priceless!

Laura: What happens if they’re not? What’s the…

Andrew: Ummm.

Laura: What’s the consequence for you if that doesn’t happen?

Andrew: I don’t know, because we don’t do exchanges.

Laura: Oh, I see

Andrew: But seriously, we do have to stop selling MuggleCast t-shirts. Everyone is well aware, so purchase yours today, and you also help support the show.

Micah: The squares.

Andrew: Huh?

Micah: The squares.

Laura: Oh yeah, no more squares tees. They’re gone.

Andrew: Oh right. Thank you, thank you. Yes, we cannot sell the – well, it’s not that we can’t – we have sold out of squares t-shirts. We’ve been sold out for awhile. They’re probably our most popular t-shirt, but we can’t get them reprinted because we have to stop in a couple of weeks, however there’s still three other designs left. MuggleCast at Lumos, the new MuggleCast Crest t-shirt, and the Micbolt, which we’ve had for awhile. So, purchase any of those, or purchase two, or purchase three, or purchase as many as you want, because they’re all fantastic.

And also, don’t forget to vote for us on Podcast Alley. Vote once a month and help us beat Keith and the Girl. Let me check right now. We’re being beat by Keith and the Girl right now, again. I still don’t understand what is so great about this Keith and the Girl podcast. It’s just these two people. They just sit there and talk about anything, and it makes me sad that their fans are more loyal than us – than ours.

Laura: Oh no, don’t say that. That’s not true.

Dylan: I think the MuggleCast fans are very loyal.

Laura: Yeah, I think it’s just because they…

Andrew: [Fake crying] Well, then why aren’t we number one on Podcast Alley?

Laura: Because they have a Keith; we only have a Kevin.

Laura Mallory Loses Court Case

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] Good point, Laura. All right, so as a lot of people might have heard over the past week, Laura Mallory has once again lost her court case.

Laura: Darn.

Andrew: Laura, you want to give us a quick update on this? We’ll cut over to a news article.

Laura: Yeah, well I mean basically she went up – she appealed to the state and she lost again, and I believe one of her excuses now was that the reason she lost was because she didn’t have a lawyer, and I really don’t see how that even applies at all, because it’s not a case where you even need a lawyer, it’s just a matter of you can’t sit there and dictate what other people can and can’t have access to.

Andrew: Right. We actually have a news clip now that we wanted to play. It’s – we wanted to talk about it because it’s kind of funny. A couple of things she has to say. This was an interview with Laura Mallory that was held on…

Laura: Fox 5 News.

Andrew: On a local Fox News station in Atlanta. Laura, is this a good station down there?

Laura: No.

Andrew: No?

[Andrew, Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Well we have a news report from it. Let’s listen to this.

Reporter: After a year and a half of controversy over Harry Potter and his place in the library, the state school board, today voted to allow the book to remain on the shelves of Gwinnett County.

School Board: Thank you. It is unanimous for those present.”

Reporter: The simple a reaction to the ruling by the board?”

Andrew: This is Laura talking.

Laura Mallory: “Not surprised. Expected.”

Andrew: Nor surprised. Expected. She’s been at this for how long, and that’s all she has to say about it? A few words?

Micah: Over a year.

Laura: Well, I believe…

Andrew: Not surprised.

Laura: Well, I believe she continued to add at one point, that if all she was able to do was kind of help out any families who have had children convert to witchcraft, then that’s fine with her, but…

Dylan: Please, think of the children.

Laura: Yeah, really. It’s like, if we want to go on banning things that promote certain things to children, why don’t we just go down the list here? I mean, I personally think we should ban Winnie the Pooh, because Pooh Bear doesn’t wear pants.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Laura: We wouldn’t want our children to think they can’t wear pants.

Andrew: It just amazes me that this is her response on it. After all this, and that’s what she has to say.

Dylan: It is quite shocking.

Andrew: Well, let’s keep listening.

Reporter: “The fight began here in JC Magill Elementary School in Loganville, where a mother of four, Laura Mallory, believed the Harry Potter series was inappropriate for…”

Andrew: You know, she looks like your normal mother. There’s nothing – you know, she looks like a nice lady. I don’t…

Laura: Oh, I don’t doubt for a moment that she’s, you know…

Andrew: She seems like a nice person.

Laura: Yeah. She seems very polite, but I…

Andrew: Yeah, all right, keep going.

Dylan: It’s just like why don’t you just do something more useful, and maybe…

Laura: Exactly! That’s what I don’t get about her.

Dylan: Instead of banning, instead of trying to ban Harry Potter, which is – anyone who’s read the stories knows that they’re not teaching any kids witchcraft. I don’t know of any kids converting to witchcraft because they read Harry Potter.

Andrew: Right.

Dylan: It’s not the devil’s words. It’s a wonderful story.

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: And everybody loves it.

Laura: Well, you know what gets me about her? Is there are a number of charitable organizations that would bend over backwards to have someone so determined on their side.

Andrew: Right.

Laura: So, why is she wasting her time trying to get a book banned from a library?

Andrew: [sighs] Well.

Laura: There are people dying in the world. I’m sorry that’s all I have to say.

Andrew: Maybe the rest of the article has the answer.

Reporter: “…kids, in that she said it promoted witchcraft.

Laura Mallory: “The Harry Potter books are mainstreaming witchcraft to our children. They’re presenting it in a child-friendly format that’s dangerous and deceptive.”

Andrew: Dangerous and deceptive. It can hurt you guys.

Laura: Child-friendly format of witchcraft?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: What? [laughs]

Andrew: That’s what she says, look out.

Reporter: “The issue was challenged at several levels, all the way up to the state board of education.”

School Board Attorney: “The reason it probably has had such…”

Andrew: You know it just – they have a shot of all the people on the board here, like 20 people have to sit there and have there time wasted with this. Especially a unanimous decision, doesn’t that just scream, “Hey we don’t want to be bothered to do this.” [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

Dylan: I mean she kind of said it herself that it was expected so…

Andrew: Right. [laughs]

Dylan: Why are you going to pursue this anymore if you don’t think you’re going to win?

Andrew: [laughs] So why are you trying if you expected it. Okay yeah.

Dylan: Are you just trying to get like press time, or trying to raise more awareness for the cause? What cause? That won’t win.

Laura: No one wanted to deal with it this time, because I was actually looking in to going down there and speaking on behalf of the books and I read that they weren’t even allowing anyone from the public to come in and speak. It was just between herself and the Board of Education.

Andrew: They just wanted to get it over with.

Laura: Yeah. So, they just wanted to get it done.

Micah: Yeah. Well, it’s a First Amendment issue too and…

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: …when you try and mess with people’s first amendment rights, it’s always a touchy subject.

Andrew: Yeah.

School Board Attorney: “…the scrutiny is because in America we get very, very nervous if there ever is any type of censorship of educational materials or First Amendment materials.”

Reporter: “Many Gwinnett educators claim the Potter series promoted reading.”

Micah: See, this guy is on the same page.

Reporter: “And were a hot commodity at the checkout lines.”

Andrew: Yeah.

Reporter: “Still the book wasn’t for everybody.”

Librarian: “And they were children here who would never read this book because it’s not the kind of book they would like simply because of the genre of the book.”

Reporter: “But kids do like it. Why do they like it?”

Librarian: “I think they just like fantasy.”

Andrew: That’s the librarian talking. I mean that’s what it comes down to.

Laura: Yeah, exactly.

Andrew: If you don’t want to read it, don’t read it. But you know, you have a freedom of choice, but don’t ban the books for nobody to read them, just because you don’t want – you don’t think they’re right.

Reporter: “Some parents saw the fight as much ado about nothing.”

Parent: “I think it’s an overreaction. You know I’m a very, I was telling him, I’m a very, very Christian person, but I think it’s more of a parental responsibility.

Reporter: “Will Laura Mallory appeal the decision to the superior court? She’s not sure yet but still proud that she fought the issue. In your mind worth the toil, the hassle, the abuse, the anything else you’ve taken?”

Laura Mallory: “Abuse, yeah.” [laughs]

Andrew: Abuse from us calling her. [laughs]

Laura: Well, no. I’m sure she got a number of…

Micah: Well, abuse she’s brought on herself.

Dylan: She brought it on herself.

Laura: …a number of people who have harassed her.

Andrew: No, it cuts to a picture of our album art so I think that’s what they were talking about.

Laura: [laughs] Well, you know what I find interesting about this whole thing is, I don’t know if it’s the same in Gwinnett County, but when I was in the Forsyth County public schools, parents were actually allowed to have input on what their kids could and could not check out. Like, if you tried to checkout a book that your parents had said you could not, the system wouldn’t let you.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: So why doesn’t she just say, “My kids can’t check out Harry Potter.”

Andrew: Yeah, right

Dylan: I think it’s dangerous whenever you suppress anything. Like, that’s why abortion such a touchy subject because some people think that it should still be allowed in some cases whether it at no point should be illegal, but then again there’s other people that say it’s morally bad. But Harry Potter is at a completely different level because it doesn’t really promote witchcraft in any way. I mean, it uses witchcraft in the books, but it doesn’t promote it, it doesn’t tell them, “Hey, go try these things, kids.”

Andrew: Right.

Laura: I think Harry Potter is just a very popular scapegoat, basically.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura Mallory: “I think it’s worth it only if people will listen to do their own research. If even one family or one child has been saved from the heartache that other families have gone through with their children actually getting into witchcraft, then it’s worth it.”

Andrew: A heartache? And what children have been getting into witchcraft? Is there any evidence of that? I mean, I’m not trying to rip her apart I just want to know, is there, is – does anyone know if there’s been evidence of witchcraft destroying children and causing heartache?

Laura: I have never heard of that.

Andrew: Anyone?

Micah: I don’t think so.

Dylan: I don’t know of anyone.

Micah: I don’t remember a story.

Dylan: Not one of my friends, at least.

Laura: Unless she thinks of little kids running around with fake plastic wands and yelling Expelliarmus is witchcraft, then no. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that must be what she means because… [laughs]

Dylan: That ruins families, you know?

Andrew: Yeah, it really does.

Dylan: Eight year-olds waving wooden wands around, you know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: Terrible sight.

Andrew: So, that’s that. [sighs] Well, it’s interesting and, of course, she’s going to go appeal it again. Laura, do you know anything else about that?

Laura: I don’t think we’ve actually heard anything, have we?

Andrew: She’s planning on it, isn’t she?

Laura: I don’t think there’s been any confirmation of that.

Dylan: There have been talks of it, but we don’t know if it’s for sure.

Laura: Yeah, we don’t know if it’s for sure yet.

Listener Rebuttal: Blowing up Pluto

Andrew: Okay. We have an e-mail now from Catie, 19, of Minneapolis. She writes:

“Hi MuggleCast, rock and roll. Just a comment: You guys were talking in the last Episode 67 about Ginny, and whether she would be a major character or just a supporting role. Personally, I think she will play a major role in the defeat of Voldemort. There are plenty of reasons, but I think the most telling one, brought to my attention by Galadriel Waters, is that she blew up Pluto in the planet room at the end of Book Five. If you know anything about Roman or Greek mythology, Pluto is the Roman name for the Greek god of the underworld, [mispronounces] Hades…”

Laura: Hades.

Micah: Hades.

Andrew: “…Hades, (i.e. Satan). No way would JK Rowling include something so small if it wasn’t important. Anyways, take it into consideration. Have a party.”

Laura: What, you don’t think she foretold that Pluto was going to be exiled as a planet?

Andrew: I know.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: No, I think that’s definitely important. I think Ginny will absolutely play a major role in the seventh book, there’s no question.

Andrew’s Wizard Rock Band

Andrew: Before we get to our main discussion this week, I have an update on my wizard rock band. It’s basically, you’ve heard of wizard rock, right?

Dylan: Of course, it’s sweeping the nation.

Andrew: I’m starting my own Wizard Rock band. I’m really excited about it. I think it’s going to be a big hit.

Laura: Oh.

Andrew: And I actually have a preview of my song now because, I decided that I wanted to get the hype up a little bit more and the only way to do that would be to give people a sneak peek. Now, Laura, I gave you a preview awhile back, but it’s changed a little bit.

Laura: Yes.

Andrew: The song.

Laura: Oh, okay.

Andrew: So, don’t act surprised if you don’t recognize it.

Laura: Okay. Well, I’ll definitely curb my enthusiasm.

Andrew: Are you guys ready?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay. Well, here we go.

[Music begins playing]

“We’ve got to save Ginny Weasley from the Basilisk
We’ve got to save the school from that unseen horror.”

Laura: Oh.

Andrew: What do you guys think? Laura, do you like that?

Laura: Yeah. It sounds like you had a bit of an influence, but yeah.

Andrew: No. What are you talking about?

Laura: I don’t know. It just sounded kind of familiar.

Andrew: No. No, I made that up myself.

Laura: Okay. I just can’t really place it.

Dylan: [coughs] Rip-off.

Andrew: That was the chorus of the song. The whole song, of course, is going to be released on Episode 70. So, hopefully that’s going to get the hype up a little bit because I’m really excited about it and I hope everyone else is too. So, e-mail me your feedback and what you thought of that. Thanks. [laughs]

Main Discussion: The Four Founders of Hogwarts

Andrew: Our main discussion this week now is the four founders of Hogwarts. We’ve talked about them in bits and pieces through out these past 67 shows, but now we’re going to talk about them in a little more detail. Right, Laura?

Laura: Yeah, absolutely. After a very long night of Micah and I being extremely grumpy and trying to come up with something, we actually came up with a discussion on the four founders.

Why Were Slytherin and Gryffindor Friends?

Laura: I think just to kind of jump right into it, my first question would be: why would someone like Gryffindor be friends with someone like Slytherin, who clearly valued pure bloods above others? Because we know that in the sorting song in Order of the Phoenix, it stated that Gryffindor and Slytherin were very close friends, as were Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. So why would someone like Gryffindor want to put up with someone like Slytherin, who had such skewed values?

Andrew: Maybe you could relate it to in the beginning of Sorcerer’s Stone, when Draco offered Harry his friendship, and you can almost think what would have happened if Draco hadn’t made fun of Ron and wasn’t taunting Ron? What would happen if they became friends? I mean, because the only thing…

Laura: I don’t think that would have happened though because Harry kind of, from his point of view in that chapter, I always got the impression he thought he was kind of snotty and that he didn’t really want that much to do with him, especially when he asked, like, his surname and stuff. I kind of got the impression that Harry felt like, why does that matter, you know? So…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Well, I think if you’re presuming it on the basis that you were talking about, I think people of different views, whether it’s politics or other things, can be friends. Just because they have different viewpoints doesn’t mean that they can’t get along with each other.

Laura: Well, they can, I think, to an extent, but when it gets to a point where you’re actually actively alienating people because of their heritage, their bloodlines. I don’t know many people that can be friends with someone who does that. So, was Slytherin…

Micah: Well, maybe they were friends up to that point.

Did Slytherin Always Discriminate?

Laura: Yeah, that was kind of going to be my next point. Was Slytherin always – did he always discriminate against Muggle-borns and purebloods? Or half-bloods, excuse me. Or if he didn’t, what would’ve happened to make him be that way?

Andrew: Well, this sort of goes back to our discussion that we had on evil. Like, had Salazar always had a hate for purebloods? And I don’t – it might be like – I don’t even know if we should be bringing this example up on the show, but it’s almost like someone, someone being racist. In the sense that…

Laura: Well, yeah, it is in a sense.

Andrew: … you’re not…are you… You’re not born with that. You gather that over time, whether there’s and influence…

Laura: Mmm.

Andrew: …from your family and friends or…

Laura: Right.

Andrew: …what not.

Laura: Well, see, we know that Slytherin was at least prejudiced towards those who didn’t come from pureblood families from the point when the school started, because in the sorting song, it said that Slytherin stated that he would accept those whose blood was purest. So, we know that from at least that point on, he held a prejudice towards people who were not pureblooded.

Micah: But can you also see that as a traditionalist view, as opposed to being a racist view?

Laura: Well, yeah. That – I mean, you always kind of have to consider people as products of their time. But then again, you look at someone like Helga Hufflepuff, who said, “I’ll take the lot and treat them all the same.”

Andrew: Mhm. Well, that’s sort of, in a way, a mindset, too, because you’re a caring person who wants to welcome everyone or anyone.

Slytherin’s Chamber of Secrets

Laura: Mhm. Hmmm. Well, do you think Slytherin had any sort of intention going into the school? Because we know he build the Chamber of Secrets. Do you think that his first thought, whenever the four proposed the idea of starting a school, was to kind of use this as a platform to gain some sort of power and a way to kind of alienate others of – you know, who weren’t pureblooded or in a sense to essentially build the Chamber of Secrets? That way he could rid the school of Muggle-borns. Maybe that was his first intention?

Andrew: Well, yeah, maybe when Salazar was going into this idea of creating Hogwarts, maybe he – originally he did not want to? Well, I mean, originally he was going in and acting like he would treat everyone fairly, but then his ultimate goal was going to be to try to kick everyone out who wasn’t a pureblood. So, it…

Laura: Do you think that was…

Andrew: So, it was just a pureblood school.

Dylan: [clears his throat] I don’t think he went in with that goal, but I think that maybe he – his views have changed. His views changed. After a while he saw the direction the school was going in and it was allowing Mudbloods into the school and he didn’t like it, so he changed his views.

Andrew: Well, why wouldn’t you like that? I mean, what do you not like about Mudbloods, other than that they weren’t born with wizarding parents? I just don’t see…

Laura: Well, that’s – that’s like asking a…

Andrew: You know?

Dylan: I guess you’ll have to ask Salazar Slytherin. I guess…

Laura: Yeah, that’s like asking a racist person, what do you not like about a person of a specific race? Aside from the fact that…

Andrew: And what would that person say? You’re just…

Laura: Yeah, because…

Andrew: You’re just trying to think…

Laura: Yeah, it’s just a prejudice that you’re kind of conditioned into having.

Andrew: Mhm.

Laura: And it’s – it must be terribly, terribly hard to overcome something like that.

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: Well, it’s probably put into him since birth, you know? His father did the same thing and he just didn’t think those people were fit to be in his school.

Andrew: All right.

Was This a Defining Time in the Wizarding World?

Laura: Well, do you think maybe that this was kind of a time of change for the wizarding world? Like maybe up until the point – up until that point, if you weren’t a pureblood, you weren’t really considered a wizard? You weren’t considered part of that world? And it came to the point where they discovered that yes, you could have magical abilities if you were half-blooded or Muggle-born, so they started kind of accepting those people into the world and kind of understanding that wizards would have died out if they hadn’t married Muggles and that sort of thing, kind of like what Ron said. That could sort of explain his resentment towards it, because you’re bringing all of these new people into this world that had been kind of a small community for so long.

Andrew: Right.

Micah: Well, I mean, part of the problem with that is you know that there are witches and wizards that were born to people that weren’t of a wizarding bloodline. So, would it have actually died out is probably a hard question to answer…

Laura: Well…

Micah: …if you have these children that are being born to people who, previously, had no magic in their history.

Laura: Maybe not technically, but in a sense of culture, I think it could’ve because if there was a point where Muggle-borns weren’t being notified of their magical abilities, they could have just gone on and married more Muggles and it would have gotten to the point where no one would really know magic existed, even if it did.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Well, they would know that they had power, though. I mean, certainly…

Laura: Well, Harry didn’t know he had power.

Micah: …they would have demonstrated something.

Laura: Harry just thought he was weird. [Laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Well, so did Tom Riddle, but I think he always knew that there was something about him that was different from other people.

Laura: Yeah, but there are a lot of things that can be said – you can talk about a lot of things in that sense. For instance, I think every one of us kind of has a trait that’s distinguishable from other people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah, that’s true.

Laura: You can just…

Andrew: Like, I am excellent in my…

Laura: In your Wizard Rock band.

Andrew: …podcasting skills, and my Wizard Rock band.

Laura: And I absolutely fail in my podcasting skills. That’s what really…

Andrew: Yeah, you’re not that good.

Laura: …creates a contrast there. Yeah, I know.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Andrew: You’re good at liking bad music.

Laura: Oh, please.

Andrew: Green Day.

Laura: Oh, please. You’re so full of crap. I like playing…

Wizarding World Pre-Hogwarts

Andrew: But anyway, this whole thing makes me wonder what the wizarding world was like before Hogwarts and the other two schools.

Laura: I think it was kind of – obviously, it did exist in the medieval time period, but do you think they kind of had the same philosophies as Muggles did? You know, the kind of torture and the…

Andrew: Torture?

Laura: Well, yeah! Medieval – God, they tortured people.

Dylan: That’s got to be in human nature, though. I guess it would just kind of be in human nature…

Andrew: To what? I mean, were there schoolhouses?

Dylan: Anything that the Muggles did would be in human nature. Maybe wizards are different, but…

Laura: Were there schoolhouses when the schools started?

Dylan: Oh, but I hope wizards are smarter not to war amongst themselves, but…

Andrew: Well, no, I mean, look at the colonial days in America. There were schoolhouses where it was one little schoolhouse, just one room with a hundred kids in it and they would all just sit there and learn everything all at once, no matter what your age was.

Laura: Well, no, I don’t think so, because there really weren’t schools in that sense during the time that Hogwarts was allegedly built, because it’s allegedly at least 1,000 years old. So, I doubt that there was any sort of school in that sense; I think that Hogwarts was a relatively revolutionary idea for its time.

Andrew: Right, yeah.

Micah: And they may have been afraid to do anything at that time, because they didn’t know what the consequences would be from even the Muggle world.

Andrew: Or just teaching kids magic?

What Made These Four Start Hogwarts

Laura: Yeah. Yeah, what would kind of – what was the influence there? What made these four people want to start this school?

Andrew: Doesn’t the Sorting hat say? Or…

Laura: No. You know what’s interesting about that Sorting song? It goes on and says, basically, essentially tells the school, “I’m going to tell you the whole tale of the founders,” but it doesn’t. It doesn’t really tell you anything aside from what they valued individually.

Andrew: Oh, right, right. Well, I’m going on MuggleNet’s Sorting Hat Songs Page.

Laura: I don’t appreciate that, Jo.

Andrew: I’ll read up on my…

Micah: Perhaps it’s really written in there and we’re too dense…

Laura: Yeah, we’re too dense to catch it. [laughs]

Micah: …to realize.

Andrew: They shared a wish, a hope, a dream,
They hatched a daring plan
To educate young sorcerers
Thus Hogwarts School began.

I love these school songs. They’re just [laughs] awesome, so that’s what we got from the Sorting Hat.

Laura: Yeah, it was just four people with a dream.

Andrew: With a dream, a hope, and a wish.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: You’re wishing for, what are they wishing for? Educated students?

Laura: Yeah, to educate. I guess to educate people because, when you really think about the way that civilizations have grown and changed, a huge contributing factor to that is education. If we didn’t have education, we would still be beating each other with clubs and…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …all sorts of wonderful things.

Andrew: They also shared a hope. The hope was, I guess, to…

Laura: Well, was there something terrible going on at that time? Was there a war going on in the wizarding world? Did they maybe hope to educate the next generation to kind of prevent any kind of conflict that was happening then from happening again?

Andrew: That’s good. That’s a good idea, actually.

Laura: Well, input?

Andrew: Well, I mean, what is the Hogwarts motto that the…

Laura: Oh geez, I know this. It’s Latin.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: But I know what is translates to. Isn’t it…

Andrew: Don’t trick a…

Andrew and Laura: Don’t tickle a sleeping dragon.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] So, that has something to do with it.

Laura: [laughs] Maybe it does. Knowing Jo.

Andrew: The war broke out and – the war broke out and it all started by someone tickling a dragon.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, that’s it! We just solved it!

Laura: The key to the Harry Potter series…

Andrew: What else, what other reason could there be?

Laura: I don’t know.

Andrew: No, but, so, I guess the hope was to create a school where people who realized that they had a magical ability could come and…

Dylan: Yeah, and create an entire generation of – generations of youth that would be educated in furthering the cause of wizards.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.

Laura: Right.

Dylan: They’d be better about hiding and smarter about dealing with Muggles and that sort of thing.

How Could Such Friendships Fail?

Laura: Kind of moving on, we see that these four friends were clearly, clearly very close people, whenever they started this, but clearly, something happened to change that. The Sorting Hat says during the song, “How could such friendships fail?” and this kind of implies to me, at least, that it wasn’t just Gryffindor and Slytherin who had a falling-out. I always kind of got the impression that, when Gryffindor and Slytherin started feuding, that the resentment kind of spread throughout the group and that it caused the school to essentially fall apart.

Dylan: To take sides and…

Laura: Yeah.

Dylan: …divide.

Laura: I mean, what could have possibly happened?

Dylan: Like the greatest nations; like Rome, the fall of Rome.

Laura: Yeah.

Dylan: The – you know, anytime there is a devise of a great civilization or any great society, it’s because it does not stay united.

Andrew: I think…

Laura: I mean, with the – go ahead.

Andrew: If you were the four founders and you start building this gigantic school and there is so much responsibility and planning and just over all general work that has to go into it, you’re bound to run into disagreements about different things.

Laura: Well, clearly there was a disagreement. [laughs]

Micah: But, what was so great…

Andrew: No. What I’m saying is that’s what broke up…

Micah: …of a disagreement that caused them…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: …not to get along with each other?

Andrew: Well, just look at the size of the school. It could have started off with one little thing, “Where should this bathroom go?” Wasn’t it, who was it? Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw that built the floor plans?

Laura: Built the what?

Andrew: Who designed the floor plans.

Laura: I didn’t know we knew who designed the floor plans.

Andrew: Well, what was that one thing that says…

Dylan: I thought they all did.

Andrew: Wasn’t there something… [laughs]

Laura: [laughs] What are you talking about?

Andrew: …in the Sorting Hat song or something that said Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw came out with the… [trails off]

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I’m going to look this up. Carry on.

Laura: In the Sorting Hat it said…

Andrew: I know I read that this morning.

Laura: It said, “Ravenclaw came up with the floor plans.” [still laughing]

Andrew: [laughs] No, that’s not what I’m saying.

Laura: [laughs] I don’t think it said anything along the lines of any one of the founders specifically designing the floor plans. I think it was kind of a collaborative effort, which could be where the conflict kind of arose from. I mean, when you think about it…

Dylan: Well, the conflict arose after the school was founded and after the school was built, so apparently it couldn’t have been over that.

Laura: Well, if you kind of consider; as a school progresses, it’s going to grow. I’m not sure that Hogwarts was nearly as big or as complex as it is now, when they first started it.

How Was The Chamber Built?

Laura: And that kind of – how would Slytherin, we know that he built the Chamber of Secrets, how could he have built such a vast chamber, how could he have created this secret entrance to it without the other founders knowing?

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Because I really don’t think that, especially Godric Gryffindor, would have been too appealed by the idea of hosting a giant snake under the school.

Andrew: I don’t know. I think that he must have put some sort of magic on it to keep it quiet or undetectable, but he must have done it while they were away.

Was Magic Used in the Construction of Hogwarts?

Andrew: Like, okay, here’s my question. When they built Hogwarts, was it all magic or was it actually built? Like, I know they weren’t…

Laura: I don’t know, they could have…

Micah: It was a bunch of elves in construction hats.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. Well that’s why I’m saying…

Dylan: I would assume that they would use magic to put all the big blocks in beforehand.

Andrew: Yeah. I’m saying like who did the roofing, who did the plumbing? [laughs]

Laura: [laughs] I always kind of…

Andrew: [still laughing] I’m not saying those four walked out with tool belts.

Dylan: I think they could just like use magic to do it…

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: And it goes faster, I guess.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I always kind of thought they used a preexisting castle.

Andrew: Really?

Laura: But that’s just me. Yeah.

Andrew: But then how would you add… Well, I guess…

Laura: Add what? Well, of course you could add on to it. I mean, clearly someone built buildings back then.

Andrew: I’m trying to think of a part of Hogwarts that wouldn’t – I guess that’s an interesting theory.

Did Magic Give Hogwarts a Mind of Its Own?

Laura: Well, kind of – you know, you kind of mentioned magic. Was the school completely composed out of magic? I don’t think that the actual structure was, but I think there was definitely a lot of magic put on the school. And we know that there is somewhat of a danger when you kind of put magic into inanimate objects, because as Mr. Weasley says, “You shouldn’t trust anything if you can’t see where it keeps its brain.” Is there kind of – is there a possibility that Hogwarts kind of grew out of control of the founders? As if to say they put so much magic into the school itself that it kind of grew a mind of its own? It was able to do its own bidding, and…

Andrew: Its own bidding?

Laura: Yeah, it’s own – kind of, you know, its own thing. Be independent of their will.

Micah: Like what though?

Andrew: Yeah, like…

Dylan: So, where would we find out this agenda of…?

Andrew: What do you mean?

Dylan: That the Hogwarts castle has.

Laura: [laughs] I’m not saying it has an agenda, I’m saying it has…

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: It…

Dylan: So, it has New Year’s Resolutions or something?

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: [still laughing] I’m just saying that it possibly…

Dylan: Does it get a birthday wish?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: Maybe, Dylan.

[Dylan and Laura laugh]

Laura: I’m just kind of saying that the school could possibly develop a mind of its own in the sense that the Ford Anglia did because Ron kind of remarked that it had become wild in the forest, and as we saw in Chamber of Secrets at the beginning of the book it only flew, drove, whatever, whenever Mr. Weasley or Ron or someone forced it to. But when it was put into the forest, which is clearly a magical place and a place where it would also have to defend itself, it clearly grew an independent streak, and I think that it’s possible that Hogwarts did the same thing. We know that the school has – it has its own character. I mean, it has doors that disappear on Friday, and staircases that move, and walls that pretend to be other things.

Micah: Well, I always thought that the Ford Anglia lost its own control and it was sort of being controlled by the magic that was surrounding the school once it entered, I guess, the air around it. And that’s part of the reason why it went into the tree and sort of did its own thing after that. So, I think the school definitely has its own magic that has been put there. I don’t know by who, and I know that’s kind of part of what you’re asking; but I think part of the reason why there’s certain things that operate on certain days and certain things that do their own thing is because it’s magic and that is just sort of Jo’s way of adding to what we’re reading and making it out to be something that’s magical.

Laura: Okay, but…

Micah: Do you know what I mean?

Is Hogwarts Dangerous Because of its Magic?

Laura: Yeah. Could you kind of turn that around to say that there’s a possibility that a place like Hogwarts could potentially be dangerous? Because it clearly has magic of it’s own that it’s able to exhibit and create influence on things around it. So who’s to say that the school couldn’t result in something terrible happening?

Hang On: Back to the Floor Plans

Andrew: Ummm, I just found my – hold on. I just found my evidence to prove you wrong, Laura. Which I enjoyed doing.

Laura: Uh oh.

Andrew: I actually found this on the Lexicon. “The famous wizard cards attribute this magical rearranging floor plan to Rowena Ravenclaw.” That’s what it was.

Laura: Oh, the magical cards. The Chocolate Frog cards?

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Apparently it’s on…

Laura: You said the Sorting Song.

Andrew: Well, okay, so I got that part wrong. But my point is I… [laughs] That it was one of the founders who came up with the floor plans for the school. So, with that said…

Laura: Well, do you think Ravenclaw helped Slytherin create the Chamber of Secrets, then?

Andrew: No.

Laura: Why not?

Andrew: Because it was a secret. Because the Chamber of Secrets was a secret. That only he knew of.

Laura: You’re not being very helpful here. [laughs]

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: You’re not being very helpful here. So, I mean, if it’s a secret, who’s to say that is has to be a secret to one person?

Andrew: Ummm….

Dylan: Because it’s not the Chamber of Secret Societies, it’s the Chamber of Secrets.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: Well to… I mean, it’s not secret anymore.

Andrew: Well, yeah, right, but no one’s ever said that someone other than Salazar could have known, or would have, or did know.

Laura: Yeah, but no one’s ever said that no one else knew, either.

Andrew: That’s true, but even aside from that, that answers the question, “Could Hogwarts have been built or been used from an existing castle?”

Laura: Oh, yeah, that’s true. That must have taken a long time. If you think about it.

Andrew: It would have.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: [laughs] Small talk, with MuggleCast.

[Laura laughs]

More “Mind of Its Own” Discussion and the Danger of Hogwarts

Andrew: I would think that the – back on to the question of, “Would the school have a mind of its own?” I would think that the founders would know what they were getting themselves into if they were putting so much magic into the school.

Laura: But what if they did, though?

Andrew: I’m still confused as to what the mind – the school’s mind – would be able to do. I don’t get what you’re saying there, Laura.

Laura: Well, I guess – let me try to compare. Have you ever seen the movie Rose Red? Stephen King.

Andrew: No.

[Laura sighs]

Andrew: Keep going.

Laura: Okay. [laughs] Okay, basically it is one of the made for TV mini-series things that Stephen King likes to do, and it’s basically…

Andrew: What channel?

Laura: It wasn’t originally run for a specific channel. I don’t remember.

Andrew: Is it available on DVD?

Laura: Yes, it is. It’s available on DVD. But, it basically is about a house that has developed a mind of its own because it is inhabited by spirits that once lived there. And the house – it changes, and you’ll walk down a hallway, and it will build a wall so you can’t get back. That sort of thing. That’s what I’m saying about Hogwarts. It kind of has the same capability. Not for the same reason, but the school is definitely capable of doing great things, and I think that’s because of all the magic that the founders put into it. Obviously Tom Riddle’s diary would have been nothing more than a diary if Tom hadn’t put magic into it, and, clearly, that became a very dangerous item. So, is it possible that the school could be the same way?

Andrew: Well, the staircases have a mind of its own, but I guess it could. [laughs]

Dylan: You could just bewitch it like the Great Hall – the roof in the Great Hall. It’s bewitched to look like the night sky. You could bewitch the staircases to move.

Laura: Well, sure, but I just think that especially after these wizards have long since been dead, their magic has really held on and continued to grow. I couldn’t see that the school wouldn’t have a mind of it’s own, because you think about things like the Room of Requirement that will kind of appear at will and have very random assortments of objects in them, according to what the seeker is looking for.

Micah: But yeah, it is dangerous and that’s a perfect example because look at what happens in Half Blood Prince. But, I think if you look in any of the books, starting with Sorcerer’s Stone, you have the trap door and everything that they progress to, to finally get to the Sorcerer’s Stone. So, the school in itself is dangerous in that way. All the tasks that they have to go through for Harry to finally get to Quirrell. In Chamber of Secrets you have the Chamber of Secrets which is obviously dangerous. Prisoner of Azkaban

Laura: You have the Whomping Willow.

Micah: …the Whomping Willow plays a huge role. You look at any of the four tasks even though some of those areas were created just for that purpose, but, and then the Black Lake was – is a perfect example in Goblet of Fire.

Laura: Yes, and before we get rebuttals on it, we are completely aware that the Whomping Willow was planted by Dumbledore when Remus went to school, not…

Micah: Well, that’s my point though.

Laura: But I know that people are going to write in and say, “That wasn’t there when the founders built the school.” So, just kind of clarifying, we know that.

Micah: Yeah, but I think though the school itself is only as dangerous as the mechanisms that people use to put protective magic on. I don’t think the school has a mind of its own. It has a mind of its own as far as whatever magic people use to sort of make it this protective environment.

Laura: So, essentially what you’re saying is the school is a safe place as long as Dumbledore’s there which is what a lot of people have said throughout the series.

Micah: Well, no, no, no. It’s not, because look at what happened in Sorcerer’s Stone. All that magic that was used to protect the Sorcerer’s Stone was in fact dangerous to anybody who tried to seek it out.

Laura: Well I guess they were kind of operating out of the…

Micah: Slytherin put this Chamber of Secrets, look how dangerous it was to get down into that area.

Laura: Yeah, that’s true. But, wouldn’t you say that it’s also true that if you have the school under the command of someone like Dumbledore, it will be more of a safe place and it really couldn’t be used to do evil things in the sense that it could be, if say Voldemort controlled it. Because we’ve always known that Voldemort would love to get Hogwarts and turn it into a school of the Dark Arts. So, clearly, the magic can be manipulated.

Micah: I think… But to go back to what you said, Laura, about it being dangerous or not being dangerous when Dumbledore is there, I don’t agree with that because if you look at any of the six books, something bad has happened every year that he’s been there.

Laura: Well, yeah. That’s true.

Micah: Inside the castle, I would say that it’s safe from any danger happening from outside, so any external thing coming in, except for what happens at the end of Half Blood Prince, I’d say that he’s good at protecting from stuff on the outside, but as far as inside the school, I think a lot of things that he, himself instituted as protection has actually come up as a barrier to Harry and threatened him throughout the course of the series.

Laura: So, it basically can be dangerous from the inside because of how vast it is and how really – it’s kind of like one of those places where it’s so huge that someone could be living in it and you could never know for months.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Well, especially – you could never know period, ever, because of all the hidden rooms.

Laura: I heard Micah lives there.

Micah: Unless you have the Map.

[Short pause]

Micah: Yeah, I’m there…

Laura: Well, that depends though because obviously the map doesn’t extend to every room in Hogwarts. We know the Room of Requirement doesn’t come up.

Micah: I’m actually there right now. Podcasting from…

Laura: Where are you, Micah?

Andrew: Are you?

Laura: Where in Hogwarts are you?

Micah: I can’t give away that information.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I mean, does anyone have any last minute comments? I think that pretty much wraps it up. I think we had killed it.

Andrew: I guess.

Laura: We have 45 minutes of audio so far.

Andrew: Yeah. I don’t know, those founders.

Dylan’s Birthday and Layouts

Dylan: Should I probably say something about my voice being a little hoarse?

Andrew: I can’t – I mean, it sounds a little hoarse.

Dylan: If you guys haven’t noticed, my voice is kind of hoarse because last night was my birthday.

Andrew: Oh, was it?

Laura: Yeah, it was. Happy birthday!

Andrew: Oh, that’s right. Happy Birthday, Jam – or Dylan! [laughs]

Dylan: We were very loud.

Andrew: [laughs] How old are you? 18?

Dylan: I am legal. I’m 18.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: What does that mean? [laughs] Okay, yeah, Happy Birthday. Good stuff. And while we’re on it, we might as well plug your latest layouts. Want to talk about those?

Dylan: Oh yeah, there’s the new… There’s… I think we have four Christmas layouts out.

Andrew: Four?

Dylan: Yeah we have the Yule Ball, which is kind of a Christmas Eve layout. We have two brand new Christmas layouts and then we have the Hogwarts snowy layout. So, all those are good and my voice is still hoarse from last night. [laughs]

Andrew: I personally am a fan of the Hogwarts snowy layout. I like that. It’s nice.

Dylan: Oh yeah.

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: That’s a good one. And I also like the one where Dan’s like, “Oh, yeah.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: Like right in the middle he’s got the “okay” symbol. He’s like, “Happy Holidays, okay? You got it?

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah. I’m sure Evanna is very appreciative of you adding her picture in there. Is that the first theme with Evanna?

Dylan: Well, I made a Evanna Dumbledore’s Army layout.

Andrew: There is the Dumbledore’s Army layout that has her.

Dylan: Yes, she’s in the Dumbledore’s Army as well, but I made layouts for almost all the Order of the Phoenix high definition photos. I made layouts for all of them. But, you see the thing is that a lot of layouts were just one image or so and there wasn’t a whole lot going on, but you’ll probably be able to see those in the new layout archive that’s coming on. So you’ll be, you know, the Halloween layout, the past one. You would be able to find all the layouts that weren’t released so there won’t a big jumble of layouts in the corner there. You can find them in the entire section. So…

Andrew: Yeah that will be nice and handy.

Dylan: Yeah and it will be. There will be a lot more layouts for you to choose from and you guys can actually submit your own stuff. You can just tell me what you want to see on the site and I can make it for you guys. So if you want to see a Sirius layout, we’ll make a Sirius layout. You want to make a Snape layout, we’ll make a Snape layout. How about a Weasley layout? Who knows.

Andrew: Come on.

Dylan: This site is all about the fans. I mean, if you guys…

Andrew: I want a U2 layout.

Dylan: …want it, we can make it. Because the site is made for you guys. This is why we made it.

Andrew: Dylan, I want a U2 layout.

Dylan: A U2 layout?

Laura: Don’t do it.

Dylan: I don’t know. We got to get at least ten people to…

Andrew: Oh heck, that’s it?

Dylan: …e-mail me saying…

Andrew: [laughs] Throw a wand in there then it could be related.

Dylan: Or maybe I can put Bono [pronounced “bo-no”] right next to Harry or something I’ll just squeeze him in.

Andrew: [laughs] It’s Bono. It’s not “Bo-no.”

[Laura laughs]

Dylan: It’s Bono. I’ll put Bono in there.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t think we should do U2 because…

Dylan: Not the biggest U2 fan, but…

Laura: …I heard that it was actually Bono that killed Dumbledore.

[Andrew laughs]

Dylan: But they are very good artists.

Andrew: Yeah well, good job, Dylan, on the layouts and I’m sure that everyone is looking forward for the layout changer. When does that going up? Do you…?

Dylan: The layout archive? I don’t know.

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: It should be up soon, if Ben…

Andrew: Once Ben does it…

Dylan: Yeah.

Andrew: …It will be up.

Dylan: When Ben does it, it will be up.

Dueling Club: Snape vs. Mad-Eye Moody

Andrew: But moving on. We have a new Dueling Club this week. How about this one, someone e-mailed this this week, I think, and now I don’t have the name, I’m sorry. Snape versus Mad-Eye Moody.

Laura: Oh.

Andrew: I say Snape [laughs]

Dylan: Eh, Mad-Eye Moody

Laura: That’s difficult.

Andrew: Mad-Eye Moody – why Laura?

Laura: Because Moody – he clearly captured so many Death Eaters and put them in Azkaban. You know? He’s…

Micah: However, Barty Crouch did a pretty good number on him in Goblet of Fire.

Laura: I guess it depends if you’re referring to Moody in his element or the Moody that we know now.

Andrew: I would think that Mad-Eye… See, I… If Mad-Eye was capable of beating Snape, then obviously it is a good idea to have him in the Order of the Phoenix, but I think that – do you think that Mad-Eye trusts Snape?

Laura: Probably not. I don’t think he trusts much of anyone

Andrew: Micah, what do you think?

Micah: Well, Mad-Eye is definitely not as fast as he used to be and all the battles that he’s been in, he has pretty good examples of all over his body. So…

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah.

Micah: It would be hard and Snape is still pretty young and…

Dylan: Yeah, but Alastor Moody has got his experience marks.

[Micah and Laura laughs]

Andrew: [in deep voice] In more ways than one.

Dylan: Yeah, really. He’s got a lot of experience and that has to be worth something. He has captured a couple dozen Death Eaters, if to my knowledge.

Andrew: That is pretty good. I mean there’s not that much to say of Snape other than that he is very good at Defense Against the Dark Arts and Potions, but…

Laura: Well, the thing is, I think you can safely say is that Moody does have experience and wit on his side but Snape has youth, experience, wit and stealth. And I think in the end…

Andrew: And the courage to kill.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Dylan: Yeah because he actually pulled the trigger on Dumbledore

Micah: Yeah, they’re both pretty ugly. Who do you think would win in a staring contest?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: What? How about a beauty contest?

[Laura and Micah laughs]

Dylan: I want to see them in a staring contest.

Laura: I don’t know, there are a lot of Snape fan girls who would be all over Snape winning that, I think, Andrew.

Micah: Well are they Alan Rickman fan girls or are they Snape fangirls?

Andrew: There is a difference.

Laura: No, they’re really – yeah, there are really a lot of Snape fan girls. Isn’t that kind of terrifying? I mean our very own Jess on MuggleNet is a huge Snape fan girl.

Andrew: Well, Jess is weird so I am not surprised by that.

Laura: No, she’s not.

Andrew: But anyway, we… [laughs] I’m just kidding.

Laura: She’s pleasantly odd, like me.

Listener Rebuttal: James and Sirius Related?

Andrew: [laughs] We have another e-mail this week: Megan, 23, of Michigan. She writes:

“Hey MuggleCasters. I was looking at the Black family tree and noticed that Dorea Black married a man called Charlus Potter. Underneath the two, it says that they had ‘one son.’ We know that James was an only child – I was wondering what you thought about the possibility of Dorea and Charlus being James’ parents.”


Laura: Yeah, I think so. [laughs]

Andrew: Not a bad theory.

Dylan: It could happen. It could happen.

Micah: Very possible.

Andrew: Well, wait a second. No, no never mind.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: She goes on to write:

“I also found it interesting that there are some Longbottoms found on the same family tree. This means that the two boys to which the prophecy of Voldemort’s defeat applied have close family ties with the very same family that produced Voldemort’s biggest supporters. It is true that all pureblood families are interrelated, so it doesn’t come as a shock, just an interesting observation. Love the show!”

[sighs] The Black family tree.

Laura: That is interesting.

Andrew: Very interesting.

Laura: Well, when you think about all the people…

Dylan: I think it’s definitely possible…

Laura: …that are related.

Dylan: I think it’s definitely possible, but I don’t know. Would Jo really do that?

Andrew and Laura: Do what?

Dylan: Relate them so closely? Maybe that makes sense.

Laura: Well, I think it kind of makes it interesting, because you consider all these people and how closely related they are, and how they all kind of feud with each other. I mean, when you connect pureblood families, it kind of makes me wonder how closely related Voldemort could be [laughs] to some of these people.

Andrew: Yeah.

Dylan: Yeah, but he isn’t pureblood.

Laura: Well, no, but he comes from – his father’s side was pureblood.

Micah: That would make…

Dylan: His mother’s side.

Micah: …Sirius and James cousins, wouldn’t it?

Andrew: I guess so.

Laura: By – yeah. Yeah, I guess so.

Micah: If we’re assuming that Dorea Black…

Dylan: Or second cousins.

Micah: …is Sirius’s mother’s sister.

Dylan: Twice removed.

Andrew: Yeah, yeah.

Micah: Right?

Andrew: [laughs] I guess so!

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] I guess. Yeah.

Favorites: Spells

Andrew: We’re going to play a segment now that we haven’t done in a while, and Dylan, I didn’t tell you about this earlier, so you should probably look one up, quick. Favorites, where we…

Micah: [laughs] Oh, I didn’t even look at that.

Laura: Awww, Favorites.

Andrew: Where we take a certain aspect of the books or movies, and we say our favorite of it. We haven’t done this in a while, and in the past, we’ve done favorite movie, favorite book, favorite just very general stuff. Now, here’s the request we’ve been getting for a while: favorite spell. And Laura, you want to start us off?

Laura: Sectumsempra.

Andrew: Sectumsempra?

Laura: [laughs] Yeah.

Andrew: Can you say why, Laura?

Laura: Ahhh…

Andrew: Other than that, it’s not funny to say. Sectumsempra.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] Well, it’s not that; it’s pretty awesome. You think about the way that Harry was just, kind of, able to, in one flick of his wand, have Draco down on the floor and bleeding everywhere. It’s kind of a useful tool, if you think about it. Certain people who deserve it. Not that I’m violent, but…

Micah: Oh, wow! [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Do you fancy…

Micah: Certain people who deserve it.

Andrew: …using that spell?

Dylan: I’m just saying, Laura, I’m going to keep my distance.

Laura: Perhaps.

Andrew: [laughs] Well!

Dylan: All right, well, my favorite spell would probably be the Bat Bogey Hex, because do you know how awesome it would be to be able to throw bat bogeys at everyone?

Laura: Yeah, that would be pretty cool. It would be fun.

Dylan: You’d just be like, I don’t know…

Laura: Would you ever do that to Emerson?

Dylan: …you’re annoying. Whap! Ummm, it depends. [laughs] But only if he deserved it. Like, legitimately.

Micah: I like Locomotor mortis, the Leg Locker Curse. [laughs]

[Dylan and Laura laugh]

Micah: Sounds like a wrestling move.

Andrew: Micah, you liking that kind of disturbs me, I’m going to be honest.

Micah: What’s that? [laughs]

Andrew: You liking that curse would – it disturbs me.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Okay, well, I would probably have to say my favorite is [mispronounces] Morsmordray, Morsmordre. Sorry. Because it’s the Dark Mark, and I remember…

Micah: Have you tried doing that outside your house?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: [adopts an goofy voice]Yes, I have. No.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I remember when I used to – when I first heard that spell in the books, I just thought that was so cool. That’s when I was 12 or 13, but I was a fan of that. It was so scary!

Dylan: You know, I would think that your favorite spell would be Vertigo or something.

Andrew: Vertigo? [laughs] If there was a spell. Only if. [laughs]

Laura: [laughs] Thank God there isn’t.

Listener Rebuttal: McGonagall

Andrew: Anyway, another e-mail, now.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Jacqueline, 19, of Utah writes:

“I heard your discussion for Episode 67.”

Oh, well, good.

“One part, in particular, really got me: the question about why Harry couldn’t and didn’t tell Professor McGonagall where he and Dumbledore had been, and I have to agree. The more people that know a secret, the more likely it is the secret will get out. I also couldn’t stop thinking of this particular line: ‘Dumbledore’s man through and through.’ Harry is loyal to Dumbledore, and that is why he doesn’t tell McGonagall. You also mentioned that she seemed to not take that very well. I think it has to do with the fact that she is used to the teacher-student role, and normally Harry would give up that information as a student, but here there is more at stake than 50 points and detention. I think that is why McGonagall reacts this way. She is just thrown off.”

Good thinking, Jacqueline.

Laura: Yeah, well, I think you’re probably right, Jacqueline.

Listener Rebuttal: Zacharias and Hepzibah Smith

Andrew: Burts, 14, of It-Was-Not-Me-It-Was-Not-Me-Snape-Did-It-See-He-Is-The-One-Who-Has-The-Wand-Not-Me. Okay.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Writes about “Smiths”:

“Dear MuggleCast, a thought popped into my head about Zacharias Smith, and Hepzibah Smith. Hepzibah Smith was the old lady who was a descendent of Hufflepuff and had Helga Hufflepuff’s cup and Slytherin’s locket, which Tom Riddle murdered her for in Half-Blood Prince. Maybe Zacharias and Hepzibah perhaps could be related regularly. I would perhaps have just let it go, but Zacharias is a Hufflepuff. If they are, what effect would it have in Book 7? I just wanted to see what you guys and Laura thought. Sincerely, Burts.”


Dylan: Or maybe it could definitely happen if they had pureblood relations.

Andrew: Yeah. Mhm.

Dylan: This is what we were talking about earlier.

Micah: Yeah, I would just want to point out that this is not the only person that has sent in this e-mail.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: It’s come from a bunch of different people. So, but, yeah, it’s definitely a possibility.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: But there’s also the fact that Smith is a very common last name.

Laura: Yeah. [laughs] As we know about Evans.

Andrew: Yes. [laughs]

Laura: Although it could just kind of be something, kind of like a point of interest. Like, yeah, they were related, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that Zacharias has the Horcrux.

Listener Rebuttal: Are Textbooks Enchanted?

Andrew: And finally, Hannah, 18, of New York writes:

“I was recently having a discussion about Harry Potter with some of my fan friends. We were discussing Nicholas Flamel from the first book, and during this discussion I came up with a theory that could be completely far-fetched, but I wanted to let you guys know anyways. In the British version, page 161, it says, ‘Mr. Flamel, who just celebrated his 656th birthday last year, enjoys a quiet life in Devon with his wife, Perenelle, 658.’ Some people think that this age may not be accurate, because we do not know when the book was published. I came up with the theory that perhaps wizard books are bewitched to automatically update all the dates every year, so that the ages stated in the book would always be true. It seems like this would be a simple enchantment for a full wizard to do, and I just wanted to know what you guys think, and if you think this is possible.”

I think that’s a good idea.

Laura: Yeah, I think it’s possible.

Dylan: That’s like the wizards’ form of Wikipedia or something.

[Micah laughs]

Dylan Spartz’s Inspirational Quote of the Week

Andrew: And finally this week, we are going to wrap things up with a Dylan Spartz Inspirational Quote of the Week. Now, this segment only ran two times, and now that Dylan’s on, I thought it would be only right for it to run again. Dylan, could you – could you please provide us with an inspirational quote?

Dylan: “We can do that. We don’t even have to have a reason.”

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, so please give it to us.

Dylan: That was it. [laughs]

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: [laughs] That was it.

Micah: That was the quote! [laughs]

Dylan: That’s the quote.

[Everyone laughs]

Dylan: “We can do that. We don’t even have to have a reason.”

Andrew: Oh, thank you, Dylan.

Dylan: That quote was from my favorite movie, Caddyshack. Any Caddyshack fans out there, way to represent.

Show Close

[End of show music begins]

Andrew: That does it for [laughs] for this episode of MuggleCast 68. Next week, I am very excited, it’s our holiday show, and I am even more excited for Episode 70, which is our New Year’s show, not just for the wizard rock song. We have a lot of fun stuff planned. [in a goofy voice] I don’t want to give away any details yet, but we do have some good things planned next week. We should have a nice holiday discussion, and everyone will be in a festive mood. Yay!

Laura: Yay!

Andrew: [laughs] So…

Laura: I want Micah to say, “Yay!” Say, “Yay!” Micah.

Andrew: Yay, Micah, do it!

Dylan: Yay!

Micah: Yay!

Andrew: Yay! Micah said, “Yay!”

Dylan: Hooray for the holidays!

Andrew: Micah sounded enthusiastic! Yay! We would like to remind everyone we have a PO Box. It’s located in Kansas.


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If you want to send us stuff. You can also call in any voicemail comments, questions, to MuggleCast – the user name MuggleCast on Skype. Or you can dial 1-218-20-MAGIC in the United States. If you are in the United Kingdom, you can dial 020-8144-0677. If you are in Australia, you can dial 028-003-5668. You can also visit MuggleCast.com for the feedback form, or you can contact any of one of us. You could also reach us at our first name at staff dot mugglenet dot com. That includes Dylan. So, once again, I’m Andrew Sims.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Dylan: I’m Dylan Spartz.

Andrew: Thank you, everyone, for listening, and we will see you next week. Bye-bye!

Micah: Bye!

[Music concludes]

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