Episode 30

  • Andrew forgets how to do the show
  • We give everyone the scoop on our new show segments
  • Goblet of Fire DVD wrap-up
  • Thoughts on special features
  • Looking back at the movie
  • Main discussion: Sibyl Trelawney
  • Connection to ancient mythology to play role in Book 7?
  • Is she really a seer?
  • Did Jo take the easy way out with the prophecy?
  • Why did Dumbledore and Trelawney originally meet at the Hog’s Head?
  • What is Jo insinuating about divination and prophecies in general (since predictions by the main seer are wrong)?
  • Is Trelawney a risk?
  • What’s up with all the drinking in HBP?
  • Who’s better with divination: Trelawney or Firenze?
  • Will we see much of her in Book 7?
  • Our thoughts on Emma Thompson playing the crazy teacher
  • MuggleCast listeners ask…
  • Do you think Trelawney is toast?
  • What is the reason she is still at Hogwarts? What are McGonagall’s thoughts on her?
  • What house was she in?
  • Why doesn’t Harry defeat Voldemort first then destroy the Horcruxes at his leisure?
  • Can Voldemort come back as a ghost?
  • Second place Create your own MuggleCast Segment winner: Katy Cartee
  • A heart-warming e-mail from a listener

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MuggleCast EP29 Transcript


Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: “M” to the “UggleCast” – Episode 29 for February 26th, 2006. GoDaddy hosting plans are now more powerful than ever. Best of all plans start at just $3.95 per month. No matter what plan you choose, your site receives 24/7 maintenance and protection in the GoDaddy.com world-class data center. I use them for my personal website, AndrewSimz.com and I know that GoDaddy has some of the best, affordable hosting plans online. I recommend you use them for your upcoming website or podcast because as a MuggleCast listener, enter the code MUGGLE, that’s M-U-G-G-L-E when you checkout, and save an additional 10% on any order. Get your piece of the Internet today at GoDaddy.com.

Hello everyone and welcome to the show. I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: I’m Ben Schoen.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: And of course this is the show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, theories, and now Ben fighting childhood obesity. Isn’t that right, Ben? [laughs]

Ben: Yes, folks. I am fighting childhood obesity.

[Eric and Andrew laugh]

Ben: See, I’m starting here on a personal level. Lately, lately, as I step on the scale, it’s going the wrong way. It’s going…

[Eric and Andrew laugh]

Ben: No, I decided ENOUGH! I have had enough. So I am making a turnaround, you know? I’m going back the other way.

Andrew: We’re proud of you, Ben.

Ben: That’s, that’s… See, MuggleCast, we’re… Lately we’ve become so diversified it’s not even funny anymore.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: We’re doing so many things these days, you know?

Andrew: Okay. [laughs]

Ben: Fighting childhood obesity, saving the world. You know?

Andrew: Yeah…right.

Eric: So now everybody – we have to now ask that the fans now send Nutri-Grain bars to the PO Box instead of cookies because Ben is trying to cut back.

Andrew: [Laughs] Excellent suggestion.

Ben: Seriously, send me… Yes, please, please send me some Energy Bars or some Power Bars. I will love anyone who sends me Power Bars. Start a campaign – “Ben Schoen Losing Weight.” Be the change.

Andrew: Quick, Micah Tannenbaum, before the music runs out – Ben’s taken up all the time on this awesome theme song. Update us with the past week’s top Harry Potter new stories.


All right, Andrew.

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has accumulated over $600 million in international box office sales, making it the fifth highest-grossing film outside North America. It ranks only behind Titanic, Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Sorcerer’s Stone, and Chamber of Secrets.

With North American tickets sales included, Goblet of Fire has earned a total of $888 million and is eighth on the list of the top films of all time. That’s a lot of “eights.”

Speaking of the fourth film, the results are in for this year’s BAFTAs and Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire won the award for Best Production Design. The fourth movie was also nominated in the categories of Best Make Up/Hair and Best Achievement in Special Visual Effects.

Goblet of Fire also won the Best Film Award at the 2006 NMEs and Jarvis Cocker, who played the Weird Sisters’ lead singer at the Yule Ball in the movie, was in attendance to pick up the award.

Moving to Half-Blood Prince, the sixth Harry Potter book has been nominated for the WH Smith Book of the Year award. The awards, which have been running annually for the past 17 years, will take place in London on March 29th. Order of the Phoenix won the award in 2004, and we hope Half-Blood Prince will be just as lucky! The Spanish version of Half-Blood Prince was released to fans on Wednesday.

At Tuesday’s Book Aid International auction in London, Dan Radcliffe’s mother, Marcia Gresham, bought – on the actor’s behalf – Jo Rowling’s hand-drawn Black Family Tree for £30,000. Marcia also purchased a Tom Stoppard play and a piece on writing by Iain Banks.

Dan’s mother had this to say: “This should put paid to anyone who says that Daniel doesn’t like reading. Daniel hasn’t stopped since he read the first Harry Potter book and he loves Iain Banks and Tom Stoppard.”

The charity, which provides books for African schools, was delighted to raise a total of £63,000.

The Sunday Mail had an article last weekend with more information on JK Rowling’s upcoming charity ball/auction in aid of MS Scotland. Jo has apparently put Trainspotting star Robert Carlyle in charge of running the show. All 250 tickets for the event – costing £250 a piece – have already sold out and the society hopes to raise more than last year’s haul of £300,000.

Finally, Expecto-Patronum.com has received two photos (1, 2) from the Order of the Phoenix filming area. In these pictures you’ll see…get ready for this…this is big…Hagrid’s Hut, which was clearly under construction at the time these were taken. You can check these photos out over on MuggleNet.com I’m just interested in why they’re rebuilding a hut that’s already been in four movies. But hey, I’m just looking out for you financially. When you can’t afford that extra owl, don’t say I didn’t warn you. But, wrapping it up, Alan Rickman will return to England in April in order to film Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

That’s all the news for this February 26th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show!

Andrew: Okay, thank you, Micah. Let’s get to a few announcements.


Andrew: Ben, I just… I just can’t get over how you’re fighting childhood obesity. It really…

Ben: I know.

Andrew: I’m just so proud of you. I can’t even…

Ben: I know.

Andrew: Words cannot comprehend.

Ben: It brings a tear to my eye.

Andrew: You know, you should sell that George Forman grill on eBay for MuggleCast listeners. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah! Buy Ben Schoen’s George Forman grill.

[Eric and Andrew laugh]

Ben: Hey, if you’re interested in buying my George Forman grill used by Ben Schoen – the Ben Schoen (he’s cooked many hamburgers on it) – e-mail me.

Eric: Ben’s Burger Grill.

Andrew: I thought I was going to get it. First let’s check up on a few announcements – MuggleCast announcements. We just wanted to update you on a theory last week concerning McGonagall as Headmistress. And we weren’t exactly sure whether she would become Headmistress now that Dumbledore is dead in Book 7. And as it turns out, on page 51 of Sorcerer’s Stone, McGonagall signs her letter to Harry as Deputy Headmistress, meaning she acts as, and as I quote from Dictionary.com: “an assistant exercising full authority in the absence of his or her superior and equal authority in emergencies.” Which suits her perfectly for becoming Headmaster or Headmistress of Hogwarts school.

Eric: Plus, she was in charge when Dumbledore left in Book 2. Correct?

Andrew: Yes. So, thanks to Kevin Duncan for pointing that out to us. See what happens when you guys e-mail us? You get plugged on the show.

Ben: Okay, folks. We have some more announcements here. Everyone, everyone, everyone needs to buy a MuggleCast T-shirt?

Andrew: Ben, why would everyone have to buy a MuggleCast T-shirt?

Ben: Well, for several reasons, Andrew. You help support the show. And they’re so fashionable that I bought 12 of them last week. I mean…

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: …they’re just that great. So, everyone buy a MuggleCast T-shirt, okay? They come in two designs, a multitude of sizes, and even one design even has silhouettes of each MuggleCaster. So, that’s my favorite. So, make sure you buy a MuggleCast T-shirt.

Eric: Ben, you stink at PR. Let me do this. L-L-Let me do this, please. Okay.

Ben: No, no, no, no, hold on. Hold on.

Eric: These shirts… No, no, no, no. These MuggleCast…

Andrew: I want to hear Eric.

Eric: I insist, I insist. These MuggleCast T-shirts are made out of a special synthetic fabric and in like one year, there’s going to be something big that happens and all the clothing in the entire world is going to deteriorate and we are going to have left are these MuggleCast T-shirts.

Andrew: Wow, I didn’t even know that.

Eric: So, if you want clothing, buy a MuggleCast T-shirt.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: But it like it’s the only…

Andrew: To save yourself in 2007.

Eric: Buy it like there is nothing left.

Ben: But also, visit MuggleCast.com, click on the “Store” tab and it will take you to wear you can purchase a shirt. You can purchase it through PayPal, so now worries there. But also, in addition to that, if you don’t want a MuggleCast T-shirt itself, you can buy a shirt for MuggleNet. So visit MuggleNet.com, you can click off to the right there. You’ll see a flashing image that says, “MuggleNet T-shirt – Get Yours!” So, you can buy one of those.

News Discussion – Black Family Tree

Andrew: Okay, now moving on to some news discussion – it was a semi-busy week. Right, Micah Tan?

Micah: Oh yeah.

Andrew: Come on, you’re our head news monkey. You got to give me the…

Micah: I haven’t been to MuggleNet.com once this week.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Ouch!

Andrew: What a great news reporter you are! [laughs]

Eric: Whoa! Not even when compiling your news, Micah?

Andrew: Hey, you aren’t supposed to tell people you steal your news from Leaky.

Micah: I haven’t compiled my news yet.

Eric: I know, I know.

Micah: Not to date the show or anything.

Andrew: What? You just said it. Stop ruining the magic behind MuggleCast.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Gosh! [laughs] So apparently even Micah Tannenbaum doesn’t know that Mrs… This really surprised me! Mrs. Radcliffe, as it turned out, was the one who purchased The Black Family Tree that was on auction earlier this week. There was so much speculation over who was going to buy it and then people were thinking, “Well, are they going to share it with us?” Now we know that answer is definitely, “NO!” I’m just surprised. And then in a quote by her, she had said that this was to prove, not exactly to prove, but to show that Dan reads books.

Eric: And to prove that, she bought an Iain Banks and Tom Stoppard works. But, have you…guys, have you ever heard the rumor that Daniel hates to read?

Andrew: No, I haven’t. I don’t know where she was getting that from?

Eric: And we work for MuggleNet. And I’m assuming she’s not delusional. She’s his mother and she’s looking out for him, but really! I never heard that. I heard his eyes were blue. And that’s about the biggest insult I’ve heard for Dan Radcliffe. Evidently, there were people who said he couldn’t read or doesn’t like to read.

Micah: It’s clearly a conspiracy.

Eric: Yes.

Micah: I mean, Jo told her to go an buy it.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: [laughs] Oh yeah, I bet.

Andrew: All kidding aside, I just don’t understand why… I think it would be better left in the hands of a real fan or I don’t know. It just surprised me.

Eric: On the contrary, I kind of, I kind of like it. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world when I read that this afternoon. I got online, I was like “Wow!” – that Mrs. Radcliffe had bought it. It kind of closes the connection between them as well, between the Radcliffes and J.K. Rowling. But what fascinated me was that it only went for what? £30,000? And that’s not actually… I mean if this is as big as we think it is…

Ben: That’s how much I weigh.

[Micah and Eric laugh]

Eric: 30,000 lbs.? Ben, I feel very bad for you.

Ben: Just kidding! Just kidding!

Eric: That’s why you haven’t been to the PO Box. Okay, anyway. So, £30,000 is not a lot. And if this is supposed to reveal a lot that we think it reveals, it kind of went pretty cheap. I think, I think… And what surprises me is that nobody could have outbid “Mrs. Relling” on this. Oh, sorry – Mrs. Radcliffe.

Andrew: I would have been much happier seeing a fan get it, though I don’t know how many fans have £30,000 to go and spend on this kind of thing. It just seems…

Micah: Yeah, I mean I agree. It’s something better left in the hands of a fan. Because I mean what does, why does Dan need it?

Andrew: Dan wants it just as much as the next fan because he’s as big a fan. So…

Eric: Well, that proves a point.

News Discussion – JKR Site Update

Andrew: And then in other news, J.K. Rowling has updated her website, which she does not do as often as she used to. She updated her F.A.Q. Poll yesterday.

Ben: Dun-dun-dun.

Eric: Yes. Well…kind of. I was, I was very disappointed.

Andrew: At what? The question or the answer?

Eric: Especially the answer because she has this F.A.Q. Poll that’s on there for, you know, a long time. And I don’t know how… I forget what the other questions were. And I don’t know by what margin this one won, but then JKR said in the Poll, and I quote this…hang on, let me…JKR says, “I was surprised that this question won because it is not the one that I’d have voted for. But hey, if this is what you want to know, then this is what you want to know.” And now first of all, she… You know, there’s a very big time period before she, you know, she answers these questions. And then she goes and practically re-questions us, and she’s like, “Well, pfhhh! I don’t, you know, this is not the one I would have ‘choosen.'” And then she gives a one paragraph answer and says, “When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them. To put it another way, the status of their secret will remain as it is…as it was at the moment of their death. Everybody in whom they confided…” She answered it and then repeated it four times and then reiterated how the Fidelius Charm works. And I really don’t feel insulted, but the fact is, the answer to this question…

Micah: You feel like she copped out.

Ben: Well Eric, Eric, this question isn’t nearly as big of a letdown as, “Who is Mark Evans?” “Mark Evans is nobody. You’re stupid for that one.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Well, I thought that, I thought that was…yeah. That was funny. That was a funny response. For the record, the other two questions for the Poll were, “Does the destruction of the Horcrux involve more than the destruction of the object?” and the second question was, “Why did Voldemort want the Philosopher’s Stone if he already had the Horcruxes?”

Eric: Hey, wait. And, wait a minute. I’m on Jo’s side now. This one won?

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Yeah right.

Andrew: To be honest…

Eric: I’m suddenly on Jo’s side. Wait a minute here.

Andrew: Yeah. I was…

Ben: I think Lightmaker, Lightmaker rigged the Poll here.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: No, I’m…

Eric: Wait, how could this question have won?

Andrew: I’m more intrigued… I’m more intrigued by the Secret-Keeper question because the other two… “Does the destruction of the Horcrux involve more than the destruction of the…” Well, okay that question I’d be interested in. [laughs]

Eric: I don’t know. I would have “choosen” the other one. I would have chosen the other one. I think the Horcrux thing is obvious because Dumbledore’s hand, you know, was all black from trying to destroy the ring or at least that’s what we infer from it. So, but, you know the Secret Charm, I think we could have kind of figured out. I mean as J.K. did say, we could have figured it out that it just stays the same. There’s no…it’s not like revealed or anything. Otherwise…

Ben: Well, hindsight is 20-20.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: In this case, after the fact, once we know what the answer is, we’re really disappointed, because, “Oh, we could have known the answer to these two questions.” But what if we had chosen the other ones and it had turned out to be something simple, then we would have said, “Oh man! We should have figured out what happened to the secret after the Secret-Keeper dies.”

Eric: Yeah, well I appreciate…

Ben: That’s just what I think.

Eric: I appreciate that, you know, she went and answered this, but at the same time I am disappointed that it got pretty much the answer we could have figured out anyway. That it just dies with him and then she repeated how it works. You know that’s all good that she’s at least re-clarifying herself, with herself, you know, to figure out. But I think the F.A.Q. Poll needs to be answered a lot more, you know, a lot more frequently.

Andrew: Yeah, but you know what? When you think about it, not many authors have a fan site where they answer the fans questions and they discuss whatever we ask.

Eric: That’s more than we can ask for. Forgive me if I have offended anybody too, because it is true. Just the fact that she updates and has this site… I don’t want to hassle her for not updating because she does…she’s incredibly busy. She’s writing Book 7 right now, you know?

Andrew: We’re not J.K. Rowling [mispronounces name], but what if we trying answering the other two questions?

Eric: Okay. So, what was the other one?

Ben: Andrew, we’re not who? Hold on a second. Andrew, we’re not who?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: J. K. Rowling.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Okay, just checking.

Eric: I thought he said that.

Ben: Because I thought I heard Rowling.

Andrew: I have this New Jersey accent.

Eric: What was the third …

Andrew: Rowling sounds like Rowling, it’s hard. It’s hard for me to fight. Why did Voldemort want the Philosopher’s Stone if he already had his Horcruxes? Which is a good question. I would say as a backup system.

Ben: No, I’d say because he has to find a way to get his body back. Perhaps?

Andrew: What if all of his Horcruxes were blown up? Then what would he do? So that’s why he needed the Sorcerer’s Stone.

Eric: Yeah, the thing is, I think with the fact poll, I voted on this a few months ago.

Ben: F.A.Q. F.A.Q.

Eric: Ok, and if you want to tell me that it’s not suppose to be satisfactory…

Andrew: Let’s stay on topic, Eric.

Eric: Ok, what I was going to say, I answered this a few…I chose the Horcrux questions a few months ago because I wanted to, I think JKR’s, even if she gave us a half answer, she would have answered in a way that related to Voldemort’s motivations. And those are going to be everything, and everything that Voldemort wants to do. She could easily say, “Oh! Well, he just needed a full body,” but by saying that she would further continue the story of how he…of what happened while he was floating around in Horcri-ness and was looking for something to do for 13 years.

Micah: You’re talking about the object question. Do you have to destroy the object?

Eric: No, I’m talking about why he wanted the Philosopher’s Stone even if he had his Horcruxes. Didn’t we talk about this and say it was quality of life or something?

Micah: Yeah, even immortality.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Even the more stronger Sorcerer’s Stone in addition to all his Horcruxes.

Eric: Yeah, it’s all about getting the stone.

Andrew: Now that I think about it, I think we have already answered question two, or at least talked about it on previous shows. Does the destruction of a Horcrux involve more then the destruction of the object? I could have sworn we got a voicemail on that or something. Does anyone else remember?

Eric: Yeah, I think we determined it was the quality of, I think we just mentioned that Dumbledore’s black hand… it was taking Dumbledore a little…a long time – first of all just to get to the Horcrux, you know, at the end of the book, that was in the…that turned out to be the RAB pendant or whatever. Just to get to the Horcrux seemed to be a pain in the butt, more than it would be just to destroy anything else.

Micah: Yeah, we saw the destruction of the diary in Chamber of Secrets. Even thought we didn’t know it was a Horcrux at that point.

Eric: Well, actually he just stuck a fang through that. That died… that, that thing broke pretty easily. I don’t know. That was what made me question it…

Andrew: I hope fangs don’t come back. Although, it would be nice foreshadowing.

Eric: What about the…

Ben: Oh dude! I see it now. Fang killed the Horcrux, Fang is going to kill the other Horcruxes. Fang, the dog. Oh yeah.

Eric: Yes, he’s really…no, no.

Ben: He’s really James Potter actually.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: I’m just kidding, I’m not going to start that…I can see it now.

Andrew: You know, I’m looking through the JK Rowling section on MuggleNet.com. The JK Rowling dot com info section. It’s an excellent resource for everything JK Rowling dot com. Um…

Ben: Yeah, Emerson did a really good job of it.

Andrew: Absolutely – wait, he did it? So, I think we should, in future episodes, we should answer these runner up questions. Benjamin Carl Schoen, do you have a another top ten list for us this week? Remus Lupin style in celebration …

Ben: Yes I do!

Andrew: Or Remus Lupin edition this week.

Ben: Let’s do this Lupin style.

Andrew: Hit us with it!

Ben’s Top 10

Ben: Of course. Here we go, the Top 10 reasons to become a werewolf.

Number Ten – Snape will never disrespect you.

Number Nine – the ladies don’t seem to mind.

Number Eight – you don’t ever have to worry about cooking.

Number Seven – plenty of fresh air and exercise.

Number Six – because Animagi are just too boring.

Number Five – Your boss won’t object when you take a few days off from work.

Number Four – You never have to dress up for Halloween.

Number Three – You never have to shave.

Number Two – You’re never forced to take strolls in the moonlight.

And the Number One reason to become a werewolf – you’re guaranteed at least one wild night every month. [laughs]

Andrew: All right, thank you, Ben. Excellent top ten list, as usual.

Main Discussion – Remus Lupin

Andrew: Now, getting on to our main discussion of the week: as promised, Remus Lupin. Let’s read up on some quick information, courtesy of the MuggleNet Encyclopedia. He’s 37 years old, according to the official Harry Potter timeline. He was in the Gryffindor house. And Lupin is a werewolf, transforming during the full moon each month. The rest of the time, he is a kind, talented, and highly intelligent wizard. Remus has a – has a mischievous streak that manifested itself during his time at Hogwarts, although he was the most restrained of the trouble-making Marauders. He’s also an expert on Dark Creatures and how to subdue them, he’s a vital member of the Order of the Phoenix, and Lupin is undoubtedly powerfully magical. He’s also loyal, hard-working, and self-sacrificing – but modest to the point of being self-deprecating.

Father Figure

Eric: Lupin cares for Harry, but is he a father figure like Sirius would have been? And will he be even more of a father figure and a helping hand to Harry in Book 7? What do you guys think?

Ben: Well, in my eyes, I don’t think Harry has one single father figure. He has a bunch of role models that he looks up to – I don’t think there’s just one person you can call a father figure. Well, I guess Lupin will sort of, he’s all that Harry has left, really, besides the Weasleys. And, you know, in terms of older males he can look up to, that’s pretty much it.

Eric: Well I think also, at the stage that was in Book 3, he was the most a father figure, I think. I think that’s right too, because Harry really was figuring all that stuff out about his parents in Book 3. And Lupin was there kind of like, you know, to guide him and to lead him through this transition, you know, with the Dementors, and dealing with his parents’ death. And Lupin, I think, really connected to that because I guess this was the first time he had seen Harry in at least thirteen years, or at least twelve years. And that was also since, you know, the last time he saw James and Lily. So he was very connected to that.

Micah: Yeah, and I think Lupin may even be more of a father figure than Sirius was. I think Sirius came across as more of a, you know, a friend, because Sirius really saw James in Harry, and so he tried to make that connection a little bit more so…

Eric: So you’re saying…

Micah: …than taking care of Harry, I would say.

Eric: You’re saying that that Lupin is actually better, a better father figure, because he sees Harry as Harry.

Micah: Yeah, I think so.

Eric: I think that works.

Andrew: Well, Ben was saying earlier that he looks up to a lot of people, but I really don’t think at this point that he does anymore. Because he’s sort of, he’s sort of a free lancer now. He doesn’t exactly look up to anyone. He’s on his own now. And I’m not just saying that from an observation standpoint, but I think he decided that he can’t rely on people anymore.

Eric: I think, yeah. I think, really, Harry had become independent, I think, definitely during Book 5…

Andrew: Right, and…

Eric: …when he was expecting everybody to fill him in.

Andrew: It started with Sirius’ death, because at that point, he was really relying on Sirius, and then he died, and it just totally threw everything off for him.

Eric: Well, I think it actually happened before then, too. Because Dumbledore, remember, was avoiding him all of Book 5, like, wouldn’t even glance him in the eye. And of course Harry found out later that, you know, if he did, that Voldemort would have come out, you know, whatever. But yeah. He was really ticked off in the beginning of Book 5, when nobody would fill him in. And remember, he ranted at, you know, Hermione and Ron about it. But he was becoming independent.

Andrew: That’s true. He had to.

Eric: And ever since then, you know, he’s really… and the only reason he relied on Dumbledore in Book 6 was because Dumbledore was the only one who knew the most about Voldemort, so he developed that trust. But of course, that went all to hell when Dumbledore died. So I think really, he is his own person now.

Andrew: Good point! I didn’t think of that. I’d always thought it started with Sirius.

Final Exam

Eric: Lupin’s course seemed to bring out the best in everyone. Remember, some people failed at different points and different types of monsters. The question is: remember, like, some people got stuck in the tires, other people got… I think it was Neville that got lost with the little creature that held the flashlight and lured him elsewhere. You know, like, different people got stuck at different places. What do you guys think that means?

Andrew: It means that they couldn’t excel in those different areas. [laughs]

Ben: Yeah, everyone has their weaknesses, dude. Just like in…

Eric: I know, but do you guys remember what they were?

Ben: Just like in school, some people are good at math and science and some people are good at reading. It all depends on who you are…

Andrew: Well…

Ben: …and what you’re good at.

Andrew: …Lupin was teaching an entire subject. I mean, I guess at some points of math you can be bad and some points you can not, but this was more hands-on. It’s not exactly the same thing.

What’s In A Name?

Micah: Just the name Remus Lupin…. Did you guys immediately realize when you first opened Prisoner of Azkaban and you got to the train scene that he was a werewolf? I mean, his name gives away a lot of information.

Eric: Yeah. Lupin is – well not just Remus and Romulus, but yeah. Lupin and lupine… I mean, anybody who’s had any ling – you know, linguistic stuff, should have gotten that right off the bat. That is one of the more obvious names. But I didn’t know, I mean, I was like, fourteen, so I didn’t notice.

Andrew: It must be a lot of fun for her to think up all these names.

Eric: She has to have a lot of fun! Every time she introduces a new name, it’s like a name I could not have thought of. You know? I’d think of, like…

Ben: Well, she finds it through things like Greek mythology. It’s not like she just sits there one day: “Re… re… re-re-mus! Remus Lupin! Oh yeah. That’s just…”

[Eric laughs]

Eric: Rrrr… clicks.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: She’s sitting in her sitting room, right? And she’s just sitting there going, “Rrrr…” and Neil walks in, and he looks at her and goes, “Mommy?” And… [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, I was going to say.

Eric: Or David, David walks in. And he goes, “Mommy?” And she’s just sitting there, going “Rrrr…”

Micah: Mommy is what Neil calls her on the side.

Eric: …with a little pen. [laughs] No! I’m not doing that! I’m not going to say it. But she’s sitting there with a pen, and all of a sudden she just shouts, “Remus Lupin!” and writes it down. She just shouts, “Remus Lupin.” And he’s like, “Oh! That’s the new….”

Andrew: I think her strategy is that she has a Latin dictionary, and then she picks out a word that means something that would relate to the Harry Potter films, and then she changes…

Eric: Oooo, moon! Let’s go look at that.

Andrew: …two letters into the word.

Eric: We are forgetting too, she taught Spanish – she taught English as a second language, didn’t she? So she’s got to know her English pretty darn well.

Teenage Lupin

Eric: Do you guys remember in the Shrieking Shack that Lupin described himself as like this self-conscious teenager? And he was even, like, he was unsure of himself, basically, and he was all insecure and stuff. But then the, then he said to Harry that all the Marauders became Animagi for him. Do you guys think that’s like…. Do you think guys think that’s like them? And why do you think they befriended him in the first place if he was…. I mean, I like the fact that they like adventure, but why were they, why were they friends with Lupin in the first place? Because they didn’t know he was a werewolf until afterwards, until they saw him sneaking off, you know, having to excuse himself. But why Lupin? Why did they become friends? Why did they click, do you think? And Lupin as a teenager, being all self-conscious and stuff…. James is clearly very arrogant. How would they fit together?

Ben: Yeah. And it just sort of…. How did you become friends with your friends at school? Everything just fell into place. That’s how it happened. There’s no… it just sort of happens. I mean, like…

[Ben and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Well, he’s meaning is there any sort of connection or anything?

Micah: Well, they were all in Gryffindor.


Eric: Right. Guys, what does the Wolfsbane Potion do? Does it keep him in his own head? What, you know, I think…

Ben: Yeah, it’s just the psychological part, I’m pretty sure.

Eric: But he said, I think it was like, somebody corrected me on this when I mentioned it to him, and they said it was him being with the Animagi in their animal form that kept him in his own head – but when he took the Polyjuice Potion, he was still kind of a wolf, but he didn’t, like, transform, he just, like, got stuck in his office. But in addition to this, the Wolfsbane Potion, even though we don’t know exactly what it does, Snape made it for him you know, and that was all that Lupin told

Harry: about how, you know, he made it for him every month and that’s why he doesn’t think Snape’s the bad guy. I know we defend Snape a lot on this show, but I think it’s important to bring up, too. Like, every month like clockwork, you know, Snape… it’s interesting, you know, because Snape hated the Marauders enough to give Harry crap, yet he made the potion for Lupin anyway. So, like, is Snape only mad at James? And, you know, what is the Wolfsbane Potion, what does it do? Because I think at one point, Lupin said… when he was bitten, Lupin was referencing when he was bitten as a child, that that was before the Wolfsbane Potion, as if the Wolfsbane Potion could have prevented that or something.

Ben: It’s like when people get old and they start forgetting stuff.

Eric: No that’s Alzheimer’s. Dementia is just any kind of crazy delusions. Like it can be forgetfulness but it’s also hallucinations and if you imagine you’re in like, a different time or…

Ben: Okay, okay, Dr. Scull. Thank you, Dr. Scull.

Andrew: Eric, I think I remember reading somewhere, I don’t know if it was an interview with JK Rowling or whatever that it prevents dementia which is a side effect of transforming into a werewolf. Now, why would Snape make this for Lupin? It could have been a favor that he was returning because I doubt Snape creates anything that would require Lupin to give him a favor.

Micah: I thought it was on Dumbledore’s orders.

Eric: Yeah, it’s kind of expected of him…he’s a co-teacher. He would look bad if he were still holding this grudge, and you know, Dumbledore already knew that Snape was giving Harry crap still so…I think it might have been overboard if he didn’t, you know, and Snape was probably the only person who could make the Wolfsbane Potion. David Thewlis, beyond Hit…sorry…beyond Hitler’s ‘stache, how good is he for the role and will he change much to accommodate Order of the Phoenix? Now, remember, the way he acted and like the whole mustache thing, that’s not necessarily tied to…it’s not necessarily going to be in the fifth movie, you know what I’m saying? I mean, he might shave, he might act a little differently. I think he would be a little stupid if he kept the Hitler ‘stache too. It would kind of be like, the fans would still complain about it. I think…

Andrew: Well, wait a second. Doesn’t Warner Brothers tell them what to do? Is it that big of a decision to shave your mustache? [laughs]

Eric: There’s people though…there’s fans who say, “Oh David Thewlis sucked as Lupin. I hate that ‘stache.” And they like totally go on to diss his acting skills based on his mustache. Now, I thought he did a great acting job in Prisoner of Azkaban, probably one of the best actors in that movie. One of the best performances, you know. He worked with what he had, and what he had was a ‘stache and everybody gives him crap about it.

Andrew: I’ve never seen that crap about the ‘stache. If the part requires him to look differently than he did in Movie 3, then he’s going to do it. He’s not going to suppress the fans by objecting to, you know, something as simple as a mustache.


Eric: David wanted his wife to play Tonks and she was an actress but then they went and cast somebody else. So what do you guys think about that? Like, I actually thought it might be cool if his wife…if David’s wife was Tonks because she likes the books and whatever.

Micah: She’s American.

Eric: Oh she’s American? Okay, never mind. Thank you.

Andrew: There you go. [laughs] Well folks, for people who don’t know there’s…Warner Brothers does not allow people from the US… Basically, if you don’t have a British accent, you can forget about it.

Eric: And not even. If you don’t have an authentic British accent too, not like, faked ones, because there’s Americans, including me, who think they can fake one and it really just doesn’t…they don’t do that. Plus, there’s probably some kind of rights behind it.

Lupin And The Veil

Eric: Okay, here’s something you guys are all going to comment on, because this is a good topic. You know in the Department of Mysteries…you know, Harry’s all running after Sirius, well Sirius falls into the big freaking curtain, alright. Didn’t upset me at all, no not at all. The big freaking curtain, right? So, Harry runs after him, jumps, you know, tries to jump in after him, but Lupin holds him back and says, “He’s gone, Harry,” you know, that’s it. Now, when I first read this, I thought of two things. I thought, either Lupin knows about the veil and what it does so that he can actually make an informed decision and say, “He’s gone, Harry” because that thing kills you when you go into it. Or, he was just saying, you know, “He’s gone,” you know that’s it, to hold Harry back from jumping in because he know…that he, you know if he didn’t know what was in the veil he wouldn’t want Harry to go in there too.

Ben: You’re making a good point here, Eric, that Lupin would have to know something about the veil in order for him to say definitively that Lupin is gone, I mean, that Sirius is gone.

Micah: Isn’t it Luna also…when Harry talks to her…that says something about voices?

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: So, it’s not, I mean, maybe she doesn’t know specifically about the veil, but she has an idea about, you know, what happens to people.

Eric: I saw Lupin as the father figure, just saying, you know, “Oh he’s gone,” even if he didn’t really know what was back there, you know. He had to say it to get Harry to stop and I think that worked effectively, so. I just want to know if you guys thought it he actually knew what was back there, or it was just, you know, a fatherly thing, you know…instinct to get Harry away from it.

Micah: Yeah, it definitely could have been instinctual, if that’s a word but, yeah he might have just thought that there was danger and he thought first about protecting Harry more than anything else.

Unemployment Line

Eric: Just how hard is it, guys, do you think, to get a teaching job and respect as a werewolf, even with Wolfsbane Potion and, you know, because Lupin’s all talking about, you know, his prejudice and how their parents wouldn’t want the, you know, their teachers schooled by werewolves, but then what can werewolves do in the world besides go around, you know, underground and kill people? Like, can they get any professions?

Ben: You raise a good question, Eric. That’s a good point, but I think it’s kind of tough because it’s not truly that, like once you actually get to know a werewolf, it’s not like they’re all bad people, you know, but of course there’s the negative people, the werewolves who actually do do the bad things that get the primary focus for the entire group. So, it’s what creates the stereotype and what propagates at the center of attention. You know, it’s like many stereotypes we see in society. Things like “all black people are thieves” and things like “all Mexicans must be illegal,” “all Jewish people are rich” all things like that. And we continue to see these stereotypes and it’s just the same thing as for a werewolf. And it’s hard to overcome those stereotypes because it’s just ingrained into society.

Eric: Ben brings up a point, guys. Things like goblins: what if they don’t want to be bankers but they’re…you know, just because they’re goblins society tells them, oh you have to be bankers? Same thing. They see how society treats them, they can’t do what they want anymore. They can’t become teachers and it’s not even their faults. They just go and live as werewolves because that’s what they…

Ben: Well it all comes down to, is the glass half full?

Andrew: No, it doesn’t come down to the glass.

Ben: Or is the glass half empty?

Eric: It doesn’t really come down to that.

Ben: Yes it does, it does come down to that. It comes down to the whole perception. You’re born a werewolf and are you going to take it and say, “Well, I’ll just evolve into the typical stereotype werewolf and bite little babies” or are you going to say, “Well, I’ll just make the best of the situation. That sucks, and that life dealt me a bad hand of cards, I’ll just deal with it,” you know. Make the best of it.

Andrew: Ben, you were saying the whole stereotyping thing…if a werewolf can prove himself as a good person, or a good animal, then there would be no stereotyping to that one specific person. It’s just like in the real world…

Ben: No, but…No, because not everyone knows Remus. So when they just hear, “Oh, a werewolf teaching my kids,” it’s not “Remus Lupin teaching my kids.”

Eric: I agree.

Andrew: Unless Dumbledore…

Ben: A werewolf is teaching my kids…

Andrew: Unless Dumbledore or someone else high up that people already do respect can show the public that yes, he can be trusted.

Eric: I agree…

Ben: Absolutely not. Absolutely not, Andrew, because everyone thinks Dumbledore is crazy anyway.

Eric: Yeah that’s…

Andrew: Okay, then not…

Ben: Dumbledore’s already done radical things and by that same logic, Andrew, when Dumbledore said that, “Hey Voldemort’s back,” then people would have believed him…the majority of the people would have believed him.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: Well that’s not Dumbledore’s fault.

Eric: I agree with Andrew to a point except for the fact that, yeah the media was discrediting Dumbledore ever since, you know, the beginning and Fudge was too because he didn’t want to admit that he was weaker than Dumbledore, so there was no respect for Dumbledore. I think Dumbledore probably could have, if everybody respected him, tell them “Hey, this werewolf is okay by me.” I think even if there were people who sided with, you know, Dumbledore like Hagrid, you know, people who really had reasons to, I think that the majority would still probably fall back on whatever prejudice like Ben mentioned was that werewolves were dangerous people, but how hard is it to get a job? What job…okay, goblins have banker jobs where they’re all in tunnels and stuff and they can…because they know math very well and they can, you know, steer a mine cart. So what do you think werewolves can do if there were a trade like, for werewolves that society was okay with werewolves doing, what so you think they would be doing?

Ben: I really don’t think there’s anything because, like I said, they’ve been alienated and they just become this group where people don’t want to have any involvement with them. I hate to… Here’s a good parallel for you. Someone like, say a werewolf goes and gets a job, like Lupin did. Once they found out that he was a werewolf, then he was done and over with and a parallel to that in American society is when someone gets a job and they find out that they have a different sexual orientation than everyone else, then they could face a lot of scrutiny for it and probably end up getting fired. And that’s…the same situation applies in terms of werewolves because as long as your employer doesn’t know they have, you know, this condition and maybe if they get the right days off each month, you know, then it will be alright.

Andrew: I don’t know if it’s to the point of getting fired unless your boss is really, really biased.

Eric: But consider, no. In the case of a werewolf, you can be very, you know, hazardous on, in certain…but even with the…the Wolfsbane Potion is a discovered potion… It’s a discovered thing that makes this less harmful so I’d think werewolves would start being more accepted, you know, in society.

Ben: Right, but how widely available is the Wolfsbane Potion though?

Eric: Well, that’s the question. Apparently, it’s a real bee-atch to make, which is why Snape had to do it. So, I mean, it is comprehensive, so that’s a good point.

Micah: I just think that JKR is compelled to put certain things in the books and prejudice is one of them. It’s just like, when you’re talking about Ministry corruption in government, this is just one of those things, I think, that she feels that she has to get across and I don’t know if we’re taking it a little too far when we’re talking about werewolves getting jobs. I think her whole idea behind this is just to show that prejudice exists even in this type of a setting.

Eric: I agree with that.

Andrew: I think Jo Rowling adds prejudice into the stories because it adds an interesting angle where, from the reader’s standpoint, you’re going to be thinking “Oh, come on, it’s not fair.” And you feel the emotion, sort of like with Umbridge: you get really angry at her. You get angry at these people who are doing exactly that. You’re saying, oh well look at Lupin, he’s being disregarded as some stupid worthless animal.

Eric: And it points out more unfairness. I like that.

Andrew: Grrr. I hate this, but…hmm. So intriguing.

Dumbledore and Lupin

Eric: [Laughs] Okay, the Whomping Willow, guys, and this is what shocked me. This actually was an all-time high for…on my Dumbledore meter, my Dumblemeter. My Dumblemeter was completely going off when I heard this. Dumbledore’s tree, the Whomping Willow…that tree Dumbledore willingly planted there to protect the students from Lupin, but actually this is a very dangerous tree that almost killed Harry and Ron. The whole…this huge, dangerous tree that’s on the school grounds, he put there just so Lupin could come and attend Hogwarts. Now, do you think that was a statement, like to Dumbledore… Was it a testament to his own “oh, any student can come here” or was that just complete absurdity that, you know, he would even do that. But Dumbledore went through all this trouble just to get Remus to come to school and what do you guys think about that?

Andrew: Well, it shows that Dumbledore cares for every single student. I think it’s as simple as that. I, you know…

Eric: Okay.

Andrew: …unless there’s some specific reason that Dumbledore really wanted Lupin there, but what would it be?

Micah: He’s Remus’ father, obviously.

Andrew: You know, so many people try to make parallels between Dumbledore and certain HP characters here. Like, everyone thinks every character is related to him.

Eric: Dumbledore is everyone’s father.

Andrew: Somebody sent me an email saying McGonagall was Dumbledore’s daughter. I said, “No.”

Eric: Awww.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: McGonagall was an accident.

Greyback Attack

Eric: Lupin, guys, we found this out…he said this off-handed in Book 6…Lupin was bitten by Fenrir Greyback. That was such a character introduction, but doesn’t Fenrir usually kill kids and, like why would Lupin have survived that?

Andrew: What if he wanted Lupin to become a werewolf?

Eric: Yeah, but he was just a kid. He was a little baby when he got bit…

Andrew: So?

Eric: …you know, he was like three. So how would he…

Micah: He did it to get back at Lupin’s father.

Eric: Oh, I completely forgot about that…really?

Micah: So wouldn’t it be more harmful to have…to see his kid live as a werewolf?

Eric: Yeah, well completely, but I…

Andrew: It’s like a slow, painful death compared to a quick one.

Eric: No, Micah, I agree with that, but that really happened?

Micah: Yep.

Eric: I completely forgot about that.

Andrew: Eric, you’re fired.

[Eric laughs]

Micah: Where’s the bobble-head?

Andrew: Oh, thank you for reminding us.

Eric: [Still laughing] Oh no.

Voice: You’re fired. You’re fired.

Eric: Not the bobble-head! Not the bobble-head, please. I’ll be good. I won’t spiel for three minutes. Come on, not the bobble-head.

Andrew: So, it would’ve been better to get back at him by just biting rather than killing because…

Eric: Yeah. No, I completely agree with that.

Andrew: …it’s a long term.

Eric: I just completely…I don’t recall reading that at all, so thank you guys, because that’s…

Ben: Now, tell me where it says that in the book. I’m confused; I don’t remember that either.

Micah: Would you like me to…

Eric: I don’t know this is like…

Micah: Would you like me to go get it?

Eric: It’s like a weasel/otter…yeah get it. This is a weasel/otter relation type of thing, where I’m like “oh my God, oh my God.” Micah?

Micah: It says, no, it says that he offended him. He offended Greyback…Lupin’s father offended Greyback.

Eric: Please find that…please.

Micah: Also, Greyback bit Lupin as a result.

Eric: Please, Micah, find that, that would be… Yeah but no, guys, while Micah’s finding that, what about Lupin’s parents? Like, you know, he offended Greyback but his parents still had to raise him and I guess they really loved him and really had to care for him but they had to search probably for a while to find Dumbledore. What do you think his parents. What do you think his parenting was like, you know, growing up. He was still a little self-conscious about his gift, but I think they encouraged him, you know, still.

Micah: Alright, I got the line, if you want.

Eric: Okay, Micah got it, Micah got it. That was fast.

Micah: Okay, “Lupin paused and then said, ‘It was Greyback who bit me.’ ‘What?’ Harry said, astonished. ‘When you were a kid, you mean?’ ‘Yes, my father had offended him. I did not know for a very long time the identity of the werewolf that attacked me. I even felt pity for him, thinking that he had no control, knowing, by then how it felt to transform.'”

Eric: Oh God, that’s imagery. Micah, that’s brilliant. What page is that?

Andrew: Chapter? Page?

Micah: It’s page 335 of the American edition. It’s in the…

Eric: What chapter?

Micah: “A Very Frosty Christmas.”

Andrew: So that wraps up this week’s main discussion.

Andrew’s Listener Challenge – Winner Announced

Andrew: All right, a couple weeks ago, I announced to everyone our brand new MuggleCast contest, Create Your Own MuggleCast Segment and now it is time to reveal the winners. I’m here with Laura and Micah.

Laura: Hey.

Andrew: Segment judges extraordinaires. And they helped me judge the segments. What do you guys think, overall, of the entries as a whole?

Laura: I thought they were extremely creative. I was really blown away by some of them, just some of the ideas you guys came up with, really…you know, props to everyone.

Micah: Yeah, I agree with Laura. Overall, things were pretty good. There were a few here and there that were a little disturbing, I guess would be the right word, but…

[Laura laughs]

Micah: Overall, good job, though.

Andrew: Yeah. I agree. And so now we have the three big winners. Well, actually we have the five big winners. And, how this is going to work is we’re going to air first place winner in a few moments and…but then for the next four weeks after this show, we are going to air the runner-ups. Second place, third place, honorable mention, and then fifth place, if that makes sense. Honorable mention is basically fourth place, but they just missed out on the third, so it’s sort of honorable mention, you see what I mean here? [laughs] So first place on the Create Your Own MuggleCast Segment Contest goes to…da da da-da, da da-da…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …da da-da, da da-da, da da-da…after this commercial break.

[Laura laughs and sighs]

Micah: Oh that was so funny.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Don’t you want to go third place to first place?

Andrew: GoDaddy.com is your ultimate sponsor. What?

Micah: Don’t you want to go third to first?

Andrew: No…no, I don’t.

Micah: Okay.

Andrew: Well, I don’t…how about this…

Laura: It builds up excitement.

Andrew: How about we don’t reveal the runners-up until the following weeks, huh?

Laura: Oooo.

Andrew: All right.

Laura: That can create some excitement…some…

Andrew: Some tense moments.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay, so we’ll just do first place for this week. So, first place winner goes to Anthony Traina with Order of the iPod with his friend Mike.

Laura: [Laughs] I really liked that one…it’s pretty funny.

Micah: Yeah, it was really creative.

Laura: Actually, there’s one point where I found myself laughing out loud so that was really…[laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, same.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I was judging these while on my way to school and throughout school because instead of talking to real people, I listen to MuggleCast listeners.

Laura: Hey, I did the same thing.

Andrew: …with my life. Yes.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Or paying attention in class.

Andrew: Right, and, well actually, no, I turned it off during class, but yeah I was laughing out loud too. I had to hide my smile.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: You are so much…

Andrew: Micah, what did you think of it?

Laura: …of a better person than I am, because…

Micah: Oh, I enjoyed it…sorry.

Laura: No, I’m sorry I interrupted you.

Andrew: Why, Laura?

Laura: Because, I would get bored during school and I would put my school stuff away and judge the contest winners. So, that’s how faithful I am, that I actually put my school aside for you. Don’t you love me?

[Andrew laughs and sighs]

Andrew: Of course we do, Laura.

Laura: I wasn’t talking to you.

Andrew: Micah, why do you like this segment so much…Order of the iPod?

Micah: It was good. I thought the guy who played…whether he was playing Dan Radcliffe or playing, you know, the fictional character, I thought he did a pretty good job of imitating it.

Laura: He did.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: He really did.

Andrew: So the deal is, we had the rule…it has to be under seven minutes, but Anthony also created an extended version, which is eight and a half minutes that we’re going to air instead of the shorter version, which is even funnier. And this is a really great segment. So listen now, first place winner Anthony Traina and his friend Mike with Order of the iPod.

Winning Segment

[Intro music with voiceover] Harry, you are Dumbledore’s man through and through.

[Intro music continues, followed by recorded applause]

Mike: What is up? Welcome to Order of the iPod. This is Mike.

Anthony: And I’m Anthony.

Mike: And we’ve got a special guest here today. We got the big man, the big dog, Harry Potter, sitting with us in New York City. What’s happening, Harry?

Harry: [With a British accent] How are you fellas? It’s great to be here, I must say my time in New York City has been very, very good and I can’t wait to hear what kind of questions you’re going to ask me today. It’s just getting me very excited.

Anthony: Well, we definitely have some questions for you, Harry, don’t worry about that. We’re going to kick it off now with the very first one. What is one thing that you’re looking forward to next year at Hogwarts?

Harry: Oooo. Next year…well I must say, the first thing that I’m looking forward to is getting rid of these darn glasses. I can’t stand them and I can’t wait to get contact lenses. They keep falling off my face when I’m fighting dragons and things like that. And then, everybody’s just laughing at me when I do these things and then they say mean things: that I look like John Lennon and…I don’t even know what that means, but I know it’s hurtful.

Anthony: Yeah that’s not right. That’s not right.

Mike: No, no. You got to get those contacts Harry, you know what I’m saying? Got to represent. Alright, now what I want to know, and I know people want to know these things, is that there’s a little bit of love going in the air, so how are things between you and Ginny Weasley? Oh, that’s a good one.

Harry: Well I must say, that I’m really trying to keep myself pretty single these days and not so tied down to one person. As I know you Americans say in your hip-hop music, which I know you’ll be able to relate to, I compare myself to 50 cent, because we are both a P-I-M-P, if you know what I mean? I really can’t say it any better than that.

Mike: Absolutely, man. You got to be P-I-M-P, man. So, what are your true feelings about Professor Snape?

Harry: Well, over my time at Hogwarts, I’ve gotten to know Professor Snape very well, very personally, very closely. And I tell you, being that close to him, is very tough because that man’s breath is horrible.

Anthony: Oh! [laughs]

Harry: I’ve got to tell you, it is terrible. He is, honestly, he smells like he eats a Bertie-Bott’s Every-Flavor Bean that’s just poo flavored. All he eats is the poo-flavored beans. He takes all the other ones, picks them out, throws them in the garbage…poo beans all day long, that’s all the man eats. And it makes my nose-hairs curl. It’s horrible.

Anthony: So, he’s poo-breath? Professor Poo-breath.

Harry: Absolutely. He’s Professor Poo-breath and everybody knows it. And he’s Professor Poo-face because he’s ugly and smelly.

Anthony: Well, that’s definitely one person we will never interview, then.

Mike: Absolutely.

Anthony: Thanks for that heads-up.

Mike: Yeah.

Anthony: All right, moving on, what’s up with Luna Lovegood? Does she really act that way? Because it seems that she has a little bit of Jessica Simpson there.

Harry: Well, absolutely, I have to agree with you, Anthony. She…I’ve caught her, in her room doing Calculus, studying Latin, and reading these extremely hard books and then when I come in, I say, “Luna! What are you doing?” She shuts the books and looks at me and says, “Harry, I’m dumb. I’m stupid. I don’t know why I have these things in front of me…who put them there?” And I say, “It’s obvious, lady, that you are very smart, why don’t you just admit it?” She looks at you with this blank stare, “I’m stupid.” It’s really quite annoying, I’ve got to say.

Anthony: Wow. That’s definitely a great insight to Luna Lovegood.

Mike: You see, I knew it, I knew it, An. She can’t be that dumb.

Anthony: Nobody is.

Mike: No.

Anthony: Except for Jessica Simpson, of course.

Mike: Right, right.

Anthony: But, she’s hot.

Mike: Right.

Anthony: All right, next question, we’re going to actually see if you can do any impersonations.

Harry: Oh, an impersonation? Absolutely. Okay, let me see, I’ve got a couple good ones. My favorite impersonation is my pal Ronald Weasley. And here we go. “Oh Harry, I love Hermione. She’s so pretty. She’s so cute. I love her hair…I want to touch her hair. I want to rub her back.” Alright, Ron. It’s enough, we know you love her, we know you want to kiss her, we’ve had enough.

Anthony: Yeah, Ron just needs to step up to the plate and get that done.

Mike: Just do what you got to do… Be a man, right?

Anthony: Definitely. Well, Harry, we really appreciate the time that you’ve given us, but, unfortunately that’s all the time we have.

Mike: So you want to give any shout outs to any people that you got back at Hogwarts or something, Harry?

Harry: Absolutely! I love to give a big shout-out to the Order of the Phoenix. I know they’re listening and I want to say Dumbledore’s Army forever! And, Dumbledore’s alive!

Anthony: Oh, there you have it, there you have it.

Mike: All right, man.

Anthony: We just need to wrap it up right now.

Mike: All right.

Anthony: Thank you for listening to Order of the iPod, I’m Anthony.

Mike: And I’m Mike.

[Outro music, followed by recorded applause]

Anthony: Alright and we’re back. Mike had to leave for a brief second, but I actually pulled Harry Potter back in. We’re going to do a new segment we call the Listener’s Shout-Out. I know it’s a little extra, but hopefully we’ll get a couple extra minutes to do this segment, it’s pretty fun. And we’re going to actually pull people that have registered for, on MuggleCast, at the Tell Us Where you Live segment. So Harry’s going to pull some names out, just kind of give a shout-out to people that are out there.

Harry: Alright, I’ll do that. And I love when we do this fan appreciation stuff. First off, we have Katie from London, England, Natalie W. from London, England…she loves Andrew. Go, Andrew. Also, we have Sara Greene from Oxford, England and Cara from Edinburgh, Scotland. We also have Ricki Sutton from Edinburgh, Scotland.

Anthony: We’re going to take it back to the States now, actually where we’re broadcasting from…Rockland County, New York…who’s out there?

Harry: We have Matt M. from Blauvelt, Val from Spring Valley and Val says, “Andrew Rocks.” Go, Andrew, you are the man, alright. We have Jessica Gordon from West Nyack and finally Emily Chang from Hartsdale, New York. She loves the MuggleCast. I’m glad you like it.

Anthony: Thank you very much, Harry.

Harry: Oh, you’re welcome. I’m off on my broom and I’ll see you at Platform 9 3/4. Rock on, Hogwarts!

[Outro music and recorded applause]

Andrew: Okay, so there you go. We hope everyone enjoyed it. Laura and Micah, I was in tears all over again.

Laura: Oh, I was too. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah.

Andrew: Laugh out loud funny. No, it was really good.

Laura: It really was.

Andrew: For future…yeah. Second place winner will be announced next week, third place, then honorable mention, and then fifth place. So this is going to span out across a few weeks here. And then, all the other segments, we know everyone put a lot of time into them, will be put together all into one show that is just the rest of the segments. So everyone has a chance to get their voices heard, because, you know, like I said, we know people put a lot of work into these.

Micah: Most people put a lot of work.

Andrew: Mhm. And I forgot to mention that Anthony and Mike will both be winning a MuggleCast T-shirt on top of just being aired on MuggleCast, so congrats guys and, you know what, I wouldn’t mind hearing some more from them.

Laura: Definitely.

Andrew: You know what I mean, segment wise, yeah?

Laura: Oh yeah, definitely.

Micah: Yeah, they did a good job.

Andrew: All right well, thank you, Micah and Laura, once again for helping me judge this.

Laura: No problem.

Andrew: It was rough, but we got through it. It was a lot of fun.

Laura: Yeah, it was a battle, let me tell you.

Micah: Puking Pastilles. You guys, does anyone want some Puking Pastilles?

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: Mmmm! Pass them over here!

[Micah and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: All right. Thanks, guys.

Voicemail – Lupin The Legilimens

Andrew: Now let’s head over to the voicemails. Kevin Steck gathered them for us this week, despite the fact that he’s not here.

Eric: Kevin.

Andrew: Where is he again? He’s like, studying and stuff? For college? And…

Ben: [Imitates Kevin] His differential homework!

Andrew: [Imitates Kevin] Differential! He’s working on a project, he wanted me to tell everyone!

[Audio]: Hi, this is Kim, from Melbourne, Australia, and I was wondering: Do you guys think that Lupin is a Legilimens? Because there’s a lot of mentioning, like, he says something and then it says “as if he’d read Harry’s mind,” and they mention that in Snape a lot- and we all know that Snape is a Legilimens. So, I was wondering if you guys thought there was anything to it. Thanks! I love your show.

Eric: I think… yeah. I think, I think it’s cool how they, you know, because Lupin did read Harry’s mind too. But I think this is more to emphasize the fact that Lupin was so close to James, and kind of really relates to Harry in the way that they both lost James and Lily and stuff. So, I think when Lupin reads Harry’s mind… I mean, I’m not going to rule out that, you know, I’m not going to rule out that Lupin can, is a Legilimens. But I think usually when he reads his mind, especially in, like, Book 3 and stuff, even though the… even though when other people read their mind, it’s kind of like the omen of Legilimency, I think in the case of Lupin, it’s just that he relates to him and can understand what he’s going through.

Voicemail – Lupin’s Role In The Order

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCasters! This is Sarah from Massachusetts, and I have a question. What do you think Remus’ role in the Order was in the last war, and what do you think his role in the Order is now? Thanks! I really love the show… and I’m a Girl Scout, so if you guys really want some cookies, you can get back to me on that one. I’ll pay for it! Okay, thanks. Bye!

Eric: That wasn’t me, that was my evil twin.

Andrew: No, I’m pretty sure that was you.

Ben: Dude, I really want cookies.

Eric: People are…

Ben: If they’re low-fat.

Eric: … people are Photoshopping me…

Ben: If they’re low-fat, send the cookies.

Eric: People are Photo-shopping me in a dress, okay? That’s insane. And then, somebody emailed me and said, “I’m a Girl Scout, and we don’t really wear dresses.” And I was all like… you know, I’ve offended people…

Andrew: Lupin’s role in the war now. Ahhh… to transform into a werewolf and attack? [laughs] I don’t see a…

Ben: No, I don’t know. I think he makes sure…

Eric: No, his role is to get on a…

Andrew: Is he even involved in the war?

Ben: Yeah, he provides chocolate for everyone.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Ben!

Andrew: I don’t think he’s really involved in the war. Yes?

Eric: No, no. He’s on the werewolf side now. He’s on the…

Ben: Yeah, that’s true.

Eric: He’s underground. But I don’t know what he was, I don’t know what he was doing in the last war. Like, I doubt he was doing that because they would know they couldn’t trust him if he already bailed on them. I don’t even know if he was in the last war, because if you think about it, he was the same age as Lily and James. Was Lupin, like, were they old enough to really be in the war? I mean… you know? What do you think.

Ben: I don’t know. Lupin… in the first war, you mean?

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: I don’t know about the first war, because Lily and James seemed to sort of be privileged, and maybe Lupin, you know… just out of Hogwarts, doesn’t know what he’s going to do with his life yet, that type of thing. I don’t know.

Eric: Because I mean, they just…

Ben: Well, do you remember… does anyone remember in Order of the Phoenix, was Lupin in the first Order?

Eric: He… I think he might have been.

Andrew: Why wouldn’t he have been?

Eric: Yeah. Because it was like, well it was Sirius, and it was, you know, James and Lily. And wasn’t there also a picture…?

Ben: Well, why weren’t Arthur and Molly Weasley in the Order the first time? So…

Eric: Well, that’s a good question. And they’re older, so…

Andrew: And they’re in the Weasley family.

Eric: Yeah. Which is…

Andrew: I mean, what relation do they have to the Order, other than that Arthur was in the Ministry of Magic and he didn’t have any… well, did he have sons or daughters?

Ben: Well according to Andrew, everyone, the “W” in Weasley is for worthless. Because he thinks all the Weasleys are worthless. [laughs]

Andrew: No! I think they didn’t have any connections back during the first war. So…

Eric: I think that makes sense. And then once, during the first war, Molly’s brothers got blown away, so they needed to start choosing a side and making it clear.

Andrew: So really, all it depends on basically is what your connections were at the time of the first war.

Voicemail – The Werewolf Trait

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCasters, I’m Ally from Illinois. And I was wondering if being a werewolf could be passed on to your children. Like, if Lupin and Tonks have a child, would that child be a werewolf? Or have werewolf-like qualities, like Bill Weasley suffers from? I’d love to know what you think. Thanks. Bye!

Eric: I think this is an interesting question, because it reminds me of, once again, The Underworld Series of movies, and I guess they made books out of them too…

Andrew: Yeah, they have.

Eric: … does that make them good books?

Andrew: But does the Underworld Series, does it run on the same track of rules here as the ones in the Harry Potter books?

Eric: I actually don’t know, because…

Andrew: I feel like this question’s been answered already.

Eric: … what would create…. Well, it’s interesting, because I don’t think they really answered it in the Underworld series, and that was my big question. And I think it seems to be the same big question, because if werewolf children, you know, if the children of werewolves are also werewolves, then clearly there is two kinds of werewolves. There’s the ones that were mortal but then they were bitten, or then there’s the ones that were born into it. And would they be stronger for being born into it? Or what exactly would happen? And I don’t know exactly, like, the werewolf qualities Bill Weasley suffers from. I think that’s unique to his case, where he was just kind of scratched a bit. But… you know. Ally from Illinois asks this question, and it’s really questionable because you wonder if there’s two different types of werewolves. There’d be like, if a mortal person, if a Muggle was bit by a werewolf, or if a witch was bit by a werewolf, or if you were born into a werewolf-hood. It’s like this whole thing of stuff that’s clearly, I don’t think, ever going to be answered.

Andrew: Can a werewolf be carried in your genes, though? The werewolf trait.

Eric: It’s still a question.

Andrew: And with that said, can it be carried in your blood?

Eric: I think… I think, I think, I think I’m going to say that maybe. If you make love in your human form, I guess… and maybe you’ll just have a human baby. But if you make love during the full moon… [like a werewolf] Awooo!

[Andrew laughs]

Micah: Was Tonks’ mother or father a Metamorphmagus? [laughs] You know, did that carry on through?

Eric: That’s a good question. Well, Ted Tonks was a mother, so… I mean, Ted Tonks was a Muggle…

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Eric: Ted Tonks was a Muggle.

Micah: Yeah, there you go.

Eric: So I doubt he was a Metamorphmagus. But then…

Micah: Did Andromeda have any weird traits in her?

Eric: Good question. That would be like saying, does Sirius?

Micah: Does it skip a generation?

Eric: Maybe Sirius had to learn his Animagi skills…

Andrew: I’m going to have to lean more towards you would actually have to be bitten.

Eric: Yeah, I think so too. I think that would keep it simple.

Andrew: The whole genes thing, then there would probably have to be some plot of mix-up between the characters or something.

Voicemail – Payback For Greyback?

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast guys! I’m from Pleasant Hills, California. In the seventh book, if Lupin fights and kills Greyback, would he be cured of being a werewolf, or will it stay with him even though the person who cursed him before is dead? Thank you!

Eric: God, another Underworld-related question about werewolves! Darn this! There was a…

Andrew: Stop!

Eric: I’m sorry! But there’s this myth that says, you know, that if the head werewolf was killed, then all of them… I think it’ll still happen. I think… I don’t think they’ll turn back normal, I think they’ll still be werewolves. Because there’s no, it’s not like there’s a one major bloodline necessarily. Like it kind of is, but I see no reason why the gene should subside just because somebody’s dead. You know, like if they kill the leader, I don’t think that should change him because of this. But it’s magic, so that might actually work.

Ben: But is there, is there, I don’t know if there is… isn’t there an alpha-wolf? Do you know what I’m saying? The alpha, the ultimate wolf?

Eric: Is there an alpha-wolf?

Ben: Omega?

Eric: A beta-wolf? A delta-wolf?

Ben: Omega-wolf?

Eric: Gamma-wolf?

Andrew: I don’t know. It seems stupid. I mean, it sort of relates to the whole Secret-Keeper thing. It stays with you still.

Eric: Yeah. I think that… I think that’s a good tie-in, Andrew!

Andrew: Oh, thanks!

Eric: I like it. It just stays.

Andrew: It’s, like, how would you be related? Sure, it came from him, but how would you be directly connected to the point where if someone died who bit you, then you’re automatically… [laughs] But I mean, in that case…

Eric: Yeah. Andrew, Andrew….

Andrew: In that case, Lupin would go after Greyback and kill him right away.

Eric: Or somebody else who didn’t want to be a werewolf would surely have tried to kill Greyback years ago.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Also, Andrew, relate it to AIDS, too. You know, any kind of disease. The person who dies, you know, clearly it doesn’t cure AIDS, so…

Andrew: Yeah. And wouldn’t Greyback, where did Greyback’s come from? And wouldn’t have Greyback’s thing been cured now?

Eric: Exactly. Greyback… yeah.

Andrew: So, yeah. It definitely stays with you.

Ben: It all comes to the whole, what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Voicemail – Animagus or Werewolf?

Andrew: No, it doesn’t really come down to that, because the chicken died anyway, so… and the egg still survived.

[Audio]: This is Tyler from Lancaster. I was wondering – this doesn’t completely have to do with Professor Lupin, but I was wondering what you think would happen if someone turned into a werewolf but they were also an Animagi, and they turned into a different animal: if the werewolf instinct would have control or if they would regain control. Thank you. Bye.

Andrew: Geez! No, I think you would just, if you turned into your Animagus form and then the full moon came out, I would think you would just turn into a werewolf.

Eric: As to… yeah, I agree. I think you still would. But that’s, you know, the same reason Lupin didn’t turn into an Animagus too. It wouldn’t have really helped him, I think. Plus, it would just be, you know, he already turned into an animal, he doesn’t need to turn into another animal. What if his Animagi were a werewolf? [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, and you start as a human. So take, for example, Lupin starts as a human. Then, when the full moon comes out, he turns into a werewolf! Wouldn’t the same thing apply where if you were an animal? Whatever you are, you turn into a werewolf.

Eric: So there can be rabbits that turn into werewolves on the full moon?

Andrew: If they were bitten?

[Ben laughs]

Micah: Sure!

Ben: Cool!

Andrew: Absolutely! Absolutely.

Ben: Andrew, Andrew, did you get that from your pattern?

Andrew: No, I got that from my new book on podcasting.

Voicemail – Secret-Keepers

[Audio]: Hi, my name is Amy. I’m from Florida. I have a question about J.K. Rowling’s new FAQ poll that she posted. She says that if a Secret-Keeper dies, the secret dies with them. Does this mean that if someone has not been to, for example, Grimmauld Place, then no one else will ever be able to go, since Dumbledore has already died? And also, if Harry wants to go to Godric’s Hollow to see his family’s old house, since Wormtail was the Secret-Keeper, would he have to get the secret from Wormtail to be able to go there? That’s all. Thank you!

Eric: In relation to the second part, the Wormtail Secret-Keeper, the secret was the Potters resided in Godric’s Hollow. So, I think it would probably be the case where Harry could find Godric’s Hollow, but he just wouldn’t be able to find Lily and James. You know, if you know what I’m talking about. But, if they were all…

Ben: No! Because the thing… okay. Lily and James have already died, so I think the charm is gone since they’re dead.

Eric: It was, like, to protect them. But even if it wasn’t, he could still find Godric’s Hollow, I think, because the secret wasn’t…

Ben: The charm was not on, like at Grimmauld Place.

Eric: Godric’s… yeah. Grimmauld Place, it was on Grimmauld Place.

Ben: Right.

Eric: So now that’s the question that’s…

Micah: Because Hagrid’s been to the house, too. So why couldn’t Harry find it?

Eric: No, Harry could find it, but he couldn’t tell anybody else. See, when JKR just clarified- I guess I’m glad she did!- the Fidelius Charm, she said that none of the people who knew it… wait. Could they… I don’t even think they could tell people. Like, I think only the Secret-Keeper could tell more people, right?

Andrew: Right.

Ben: Well, well, they could tell them. It’s just they wouldn’t be able to find them.

Eric: Yeah! So that’s even interesting. So now, the only people who could see Grimmauld Place ever would be the people who…

Andrew: But weren’t they planning to ditch Grimmauld Place anyway?

Ben: Yeah, but another thing is, I think, okay, Dumbledore cast the charm to create the, to make himself the Secret-Keeper. So if that’s the case, and he’s dead now, then, then so the charm would be broken.

Eric: No.

Ben: Just like we saw that when Dumbledore, the charm was broken off Harry. Right?

Eric: No, but the charm’s not broken, the Fidelius Charm. But I just thought of something else. The Fidelius Charm was not for Grimmauld Place, if you read it carefully. It’s for the location of the Order of the Phoenix. So actually, the secret, you know, the house might not have died with Dumbledore, per se, it just, you know the secret…. Because the secret was that the Order of the Phoenix resides at 12 Grimmauld Place. I think the fact that it disappeared and was in the middle of those houses was another charm entirely.

Andrew: Oh yeah, well, absolutely.

Show Close

Andrew: Well, we do believe that wraps up this week’s episode of MuggleCast, Episode 29. Eric was really kicking butt this week. We’re sorry, everyone. We were a little down in the dumps. It was a rough week. I’ve been in New York City all day, Ben actually had some physical activity. Micah was in the city too, although we didn’t actually run into each other. Good job, Eric, saving all our butts. We have some big plans for future episodes. We’ll talk about that in detail next week. I’m actually pretty excited about that.

Eric: Yeah, well, not willingly. I was like, “Guys! What do you think about this? Hey! Moony: as a teen!” And you’re all like…

Andrew: We’re all beat, and you’re like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah! Remus, Remus, Remus, Remus!” [laughs]

Eric: Chirp. Well, because the fans were waiting for it, and that made me passionate about it. I mean, ever since Episode 13, you know, everybody… Oh, Andrew, thank god you’re here! Can you clarify that they will not get the original footage of 13? There isn’t even original footage. In fact, the original footage is the one we have. People want the footage of, from what was going to be 13, when we talked about Lupin the first time. Can you go show them that we never even had that footage?

Andrew: Yes! But Eric, I can’t… [laughs]

Eric: Or is there, like, a secret cast that’s going to, you know, going to be released.

Andrew: [Whispers] Send me 20 dollars and I’ll mail you the secret show.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew [Show Close with music in background]: Does that work for you, Eric?

Eric: Because, I mean… People were asking. Because, I mean, I hope that this episode satisfied the people who wanted to hear about Lupin.

Andrew: So next week, for Episode 30, we will bring you… it’s just so unexpected, I can’t even tell you. I’m Andrew Sims!

Ben: I’m Ben Schoen.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull. And I wish people would talk as much as I do.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: [In a deep voice] And I’m Micah Tannenbaum. [laughs] We’ll see everyone next week.


[Groovy music starts]

[Audio]: Hi, this is Collin from Pennsylvania, and I just wanted to say that I really, really, really like your show. It’s the best, and I listen to it every week. I can’t wait for every episode. And Laura? I like you the best! Sorry, guys. All right. Bye!

[Audio]: Hi, this is Rebecca from Pennsylvania. I just wanted to say that I love your show, and you guys have inspired me to make my own podcast called So, thanks! Keep up the great work. Go Laura!

[Audio]: Hey! This is Jeffery, from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I just finished listening to Episode 28, and all I have to say is: [imitates Andrew] Yeah! I’m Andrew-I-talk-with-my-mouth-full Sims!

[Audio]: Hi, this is Nakia from New Jersey. And I’ve been listening ever since you guys were started, in like, you know, August. And I think you guys rock. And Ben Schoen, you have the most hottest voice in the world. So keep up the good work! Bye.

[Audio]: Hey, this is Mary from Delta, Colorado, and I wanted to give a shout-out to all the Delta people. If any of you guys listen to MuggleCast, you need to come talk to me. All right. Bye!

[Audio] Caller 1: Hi, I’m Sam, and I’m from Panama City Beach, Florida.

Caller 2: And I’m Natasha, and I’m from Panama City Beach, Florida!

Caller 1: And I must go out to the noble world [laughs] and do noble things for the good of all.

Caller 1 and 2: And you can’t come because you don’t speak French!

[Groovy music ends]


Eric: Micah, was that you who just parked at the News Center with your Jag?

Andrew: What does that have to do with anything in this world that just happened?

Eric: Jewish rich people! I wanted to prove that they were all rich. Nevermind.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Forget it.

Micah: Aw, geez.

Eric: No, but…


Eric: I just wanted to mention this before we move on. This dude’s from Lancaster, the guy who just did the voicemail. Tyler from Lancaster.

Andrew: Shout-out!

Eric: I think I got an email from him, and so that’s pretty cool.

Andrew: I’ve been to Lancaster.

Eric: Pennsylvanians know that I’m right.

Andrew: Amish people, everywhere.

Eric: Yes!

Andrew: Everywhere you look! Long beards and top hats.

Eric: Yes!

Andrew: And horses.

Ben: How does this guy have a computer? He must be shunned.

[Andrew, Micah, and Eric laugh]

Eric: Yeah! He’s been banned, so he listens to the show now.

Andrew: He’ll hide it in his closet.


Eric: [Singing] Hershey’s chocolate, Hershey’s chocolate, Hershey’s chocolate world! It’s a place where they…

Micah: [Interrupts Eric’s singing]Can we stop recording?

Eric: Okay.


Eric: Talk amongst yourselves.


Written by: Micah, Ally, Martina, and Sarah

Transcript 028

MuggleCast EP28 Transcript


Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: M-M-MuggleCast 28 for February 19th, 2006. GoDaddy hosting plans are now more powerful than ever. Best of all plans start at just $3.95 per month. No matter what plan you choose your site receives 24/7 maintenance and protection in the GoDaddy.com world-class data center. I use them for my personal website, AndrewSimz.com and I know that GoDaddy has some of the best, affordable hosting plans online. I recommend you use them for your upcoming website or podcast, because as a MuggleCast listener, enter the code MUGGLE, that’s M-U-G-G-L-E when you checkout, and save an additional 10% on any order. Get your piece of the Internet today at GoDaddy.com.

Hello, everyone! And welcome to another edition of MuggleCast. This is the show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, theories, discussions, recipes – whatever you want. All bundled into a little hour of your time. I’m Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I’m Kevin Steck.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Andrew: And joining us this week for the first time ever, Laura is excited because it is another girl on the show.

Laura: Yes!

Andrew: Rachel Godoy – MuggleNet content extraordinaire. Welcome, Rachel!

Rachel: [laughs] Thank you very much!

Andrew: Now, Laura. It was Rachel’s turn to talk.

Rachel: Wait, that’s me.

Laura: No, that was Rachel.

Kevin: Oh! Oh!

Andrew: [laughs] You guys sound a little alike. That’s okay. It’s cool.

Laura: No, we don’t.

Rachel: Okay, everyone says that.

Laura: Guys, write to Andrew – andrew at staff – and tell him…

Kevin: Yes, you do.

Andrew: Okay…

Laura: …Rachel and I do not sound alike.

Andrew: On second thought, please don’t.

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: Who was that talking?

Laura: Be quiet!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I couldn’t even tell. I’m kidding! Before we go anywhere else, first let’s check in with Micah for the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories.


Micah: Thanks, Andrew.

Some Order of the Phoenix casting news: Afshan Azad, the actress who plays Padma Patil, has now confirmed in an interview
with Manchester Online that she’s coming back for the fifth movie. Her twin sister, Parvati Patil, will be played by
Shefali Chowdhury. And John Cleese, the actor who portrayed Nearly Headless Nick in the first two films
has been rumored to be returning for Order of the Phoenix, but nothing has yet been confirmed.

Evanna Lynch’s mother and sister sat down with a local radio show in Ireland to discuss the casting process Evanna went
through to be cast as Luna Lovegood and her personality in general. You can listen to the five-minute interview over on MuggleNet.com.

Speaking of movies, for our international audience a list of release dates have been posted on
MuggleNet.com for when the Goblet of Fire DVD will be released in various countries across the globe.

Don’t forget voting for the 2006 AOL Moviefone Moviegoer Awards is still open.
Nominations are in the areas of Movie of the Year (Goblet of Fire), Actor of the Year (Dan Radcliffe),
Actress of the Year (Emma Watson), Best Scene-Stealer (Brendan Gleeson), and Vilest Villain (Ralph Fiennes).
The winners will be announced February 28th.

The written version of the Black Family Tree that JK Rowling recently donated to Book Aid International will go up for auction
this Tuesday, February 21st. The Italian newspaper La Repubblica has now published a complete photo of the
Tree which includes more details on the family. At JKR’s request, some parts have been blurred so as not to give
away too much information.

And the Spanish translation of Half-Blood Prince will be released this Thursday, February 23rd at 12:30 PM EST.

Finally, an official announcement was made last week that our next Leaky Mug Live podcast is set for July 29th
with a tentative 6:30 PM start time, at the JW Marriott in Las Vegas, Nevada. Attendees who are registered for Lumos 2006
will be given seating preference at the event.

That’s all the news for this February 19th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right, thank you, Micah Tan.


Andrew: First of all, let’s welcome Kevin Steck back to the show, he’s been off for two weeks. Where have you…

Kevin: Two weeks? You mean like what? Three or four now?

Andrew: Uhhh, maybe three weeks. Well, you haven’t done voicemails for two weeks.

Kevin: Yeah, that’s true.

Andrew: Where have you been, Mr. Steck?

Kevin: I’ve been busy with school. I’ve been…

Andrew: Pfffffhhhhh!!!

Kevin: …overwhelmed. I’m sorry, it’s true.

Andrew: [laughs] School.

Kevin: Yeah

Andrew: Okay, moving on.

Kevin: I’m taking…I’m taking 20 credits. You have to give me some leeway here.

Andrew: Okay, moving on to some announcements. Now, as we have said recently, registration for Lumos is running out and now it is completely sold out. The convention is 100% filled up. That means that we are going to be in for a lot of fun. But one important thing to remember is that if you still want to go to the LIVE podcast that we’re going to be doing at Lumos , Las Vegas, 2006 at the end of July – you can still come and see the show, but it is going to be a first-come, first-serve basis for those that registered. Then they are going to let those who haven’t registered. Don’t forget that we are going to post a page very soon with all the latest info about MuggleCast Live in Las Vegas on MuggleCast.com. That will be in a few weeks.

In other news, the “Create Your Own MuggleCast Segment” is now closed. We received 20-30 entries. We haven’t listened to them yet. Basically, people created their own MuggleCast segments and the best one, chosen by us, will be aired on our show. And runners-up will be aired later on. We might put a whole show together of just user-submitted segments. The winner will be announced next week on Episode 29 (that’s the February 26th show) and the winners will be receiving a MuggleCast T-shirt. Everyone who participated in creating the segment will receive a MuggleCast T-shirt and will have their segment aired, like I already said. And, Laura?

Laura: I just wanted to give a shout out to Noah from Georgia who sent me his band’s, I believe it is their first CD, the Warp Tones. And I just wanted to say Noah I had a great time listening to your CD. It’s… All the songs are on my iPod and I just think it is really cool you’re doing something like this. You guys have exhibited loads of potential and talent and I am looking forward to seeing where you go. So, good job. The reason that came so late (because you sent it in December) is because Ben can’t manage the PO Box. So, I apologize on Ben’s behalf.

[Kevin and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: That’s why he’s not here this week, Laura. I punished him for you.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Yeah, good. [laughs] He’s in the corner right now.

Kevin: No, he’s… No, he’s in mailroom, sorting all the mail for five months.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And one last thing. We’ve been getting a lot of e-mails on this. And there is some concern. On HarryPotter.com, a few of you noticed if you mouse over “Media” there’s a new button that says “Podcast.”

Kevin: Uhhh.

Laura: Mmmm.

Andrew: Which suggests, and which we now is to be a…

Kevin: [coughs] Rip off!

Andrew: Harry Potter podcast…[laughs]…that is being developed by Warner Bros. We got e-mails from people saying, “Well, what the heck? Are you guys going to cancel your show now?”

Laura: NO!

Andrew: And the answer is… Well, I was going say, “Yes!” But, if you don’t want to, then, “No!”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No, we are not going to cancel the show. It will still be just as exciting as ever. Honestly, I think we should be flattered that WB is doing a podcast because between MuggleCast and PotterCast, we have created quite the Harry Potter podcasting phenomenon.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: And without all the shows that have been created, I don’t think Warner Bros. would have ever considered it.

Laura: Yeah, I think there was definitely some influence there.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: A tad bit.

Andrew: Now, what are they going to have on the show? [laughs] Probably some good stuff.

Kevin: Yeah. I would guess interviews and stuff like that. How are they going to approach it? Do you think they will have adults host or kids host?

Andrew: Oh, it will definitely be adult hosts.

Kevin: Are you sure?

Andrew: Yeah, Who are they going to have do it?

Kevin: They could have, they could be like the Disney Channel where they get all the kids to like, do all the reporting.

Laura: Oh my god. The Mickey Mouse club.

Andrew: Yeah, but the Disney podcasts aren’t hosted by children.

Kevin: Oh, that’s true.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Kevin: Because they’re unreliable. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, like Andrew.

Andrew: They should have asked us. We would have done it.

Kevin: [Whining like a child] I don’t want to do a podcast!

Andrew: Yeah.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: But seriously, we look forward to seeing what they are going to be doing. We don’t think it is going to be, well, I don’t think it’s going to be like a weekly thing.

Laura: No.

Andrew: I think it’s going to be like a nice Order of the Phoenix promotional podcast. I’m sure they’ll… Yeah, they’ll have interviews like someone else just said.

Kevin: That was me.

Laura: But it’s not like every show is going to be hosted by Harry Potter stars.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: And the effect on MuggleCast will be very minimal. We’re kind of hoping that they are going to have another section that says “Other Harry Potter Podcasts” and we’re going to be right there.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Please Warner Bros.! Pllleeeaaassseee!!!

[Kevin sighs]

Andrew: We will link back to you, I promise!

Laura: You know we love you!

Andrew: Yeah. Now, so we look forward to that. Thank you for your concern though, but we’ll be okay.

We have got a lot on the show this week, including the return of voicemails.

Kevin: Thanks to me.

Andrew: Thanks to Kevin.

Laura: Finally!

Andrew: I didn’t want to blame you, but if you insist, we will.

[Kevin laughs, then sighs]

Main Discussion – Minerva McGonagall

Andrew: But first let’s get to our Main Discussion this week, which is our continuing discussion on a specific character in the Harry Potter series. This week is Minerva McGonagall. So, so some basic info here.

She is 71 years old according to the official Harry Potter timeline. She is a member of the Gryffindor House. And her distinguishable characteristics: her square-framed glasses and her black hair pulled back severely into a bun. She is a registered Animagus, with her animal form being a tabby cat. Now, let’s get on to some questions that we have thought up here. A few of these were submitted by Terri, who suggested doing McGonagall in a future episode. So, thank you to her.

Here, Kitty

Andrew: One of the first questions is: What is her purpose as an Animagus? We saw it in Sorcerer’s Stone; she was spying on Harry and the Dursleys.

Laura: Yeah, but was that her specific purpose? I mean, I doubt she became an Animagus just to do that.

Andrew: No, no.

Rachel: Right.

Andrew: I’m saying one purpose that she’s found of it is to be able to spy.

Laura: Mhm. Well, yeah.

Kevin: But her purpose as an Animagus, like, I mean, I don’t think anyone becomes an Animagus with a single purpose in mind.

Laura: Yeah. I think it’s just a general thing.

Kevin: I think it’s more for the…

[Rachel laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, it’s more for the ability than the…

Andrew: Well, why can she use this ability? For spying. Anything else?

Kevin: I don’t know. It seems like a bizarre question. There’s multiple purposes.

Laura: I just think it would be… [laughs]

Kevin: It’s her.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t think there was any specific purpose she had in mind. It’s just helpful.

Name Origins: Minerva

Andrew: What are her characteristic ties to the goddess Minerva?

Laura: Well, we know that Minerva was the goddess of crafts and wisdom and she is also known as the warrior goddess. Zeus is her father, which suggests that whomever her father was might have some sort of high place in power, or had – I doubt he’s alive anymore. But, he could have been high up in the wizarding world. We also know, and this was kind of something that I found interesting, the goddess Minerva assisted hero the Perseus (I believe that is how you pronounce it) to kill the Medusa. And basically she told Perseus to look at Medusa’s reflection so that he could behead her, which I found kind of interesting because of the whole tie to the whole Basilisk and stuff. Even though Minerva didn’t have anything to do with that. And Perseus gave the head to Minerva and she used it on her shield to turn her enemies to stone. And I kind of attributed that to the fact that Minerva sort of has this expression that when she puts it on, the students kind of freeze because they are all a little bit intimidated by her.

Andrew: Maggie Smith does a good job of this in the movies. I think she was a perfect choice for the role.

Laura: I agree.

Kevin: Yeah, I do too. I think…

Andrew: She has that eye.

Kevin: And she’s like one of those people that they actually got correct. You know?

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: Like not many people had complaints about her.

Andrew: Well, not many people… They got most of the characters correct. Nobody really complains about the characters.

Kevin: I don’t know if they got everyone correct.

Laura: Mmmm. I see a lot of complaining.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: Really?

Laura: Especially about the Trio. Lots of Trio complaints.

Andrew: Well, we will have to save that for another episode.


Andrew: Now, is she a pureblood?

Kevin: Oooh.

Andrew: Is there any proof behind it?

Laura: I don’t remember them saying anything.

Kevin: I don’t think they’ve ever mentioned it. Yeah, and would that really matter?

Laura: I think a lot of people tend to assume that Minerva and others like her are pureblood just because they just have such a knowledge of the wizarding world, and they tend to dress like wizards. But I don’t think that would matter, because if she’s 71, and she was Muggleborn, she would have picked up the wizarding habits by now. So, I don’t know if we can now for sure.

Rachel: Should it matter?

Laura: I don’t think it matters.

Rachel: I don’t think it should matter if she’s pureblood or not. [laughs] In my honest opinion.

Andrew: Not really. I mean…

Laura: No, no unless you’re Draco Malfoy.

Rachel: No, exactly. If you were that kind, then yeah, it does matter. But…

Laura: I think that, like Hermione, it just, it doesn’t matter because Hermione is one of the best witches in school, yet she’s Muggleborn. So, I think it just goes to show that it doesn’t matter what your background is.

Rachel: Exactly.

Teaching In December

Andrew: Now, one question that someone asked was, she’s mentioned to have been teaching at Hogwarts, in Order of the Phoenix, “39 years this December.” And the question is, why would she start teaching in December? By… But… My initial thought is, “Well, another teacher just dropped out or something happened.”

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah.

Rachel: Yeah.

Andrew: It was probably no big deal.

Kevin: It’s probably no big deal, but it’s possibly a big deal. [laughs] You know what I mean? That could be one of those things that she’s saving for another time. Maybe in the war or something that happened. I don’t know. I mean it’s sort of like Dumbledore and what’s that other wizard’s name?

Laura: Grindelwald?

Kevin: Grindelwald. You know? She mentioned it, but never mentioned it again, and it’s supposed to be a big deal. So…

Laura: Well, do we know if Dumbledore went straight from being the Transfiguration teacher to headmaster?

Kevin: No, we don’t. We don’t really know if…

Laura: Because if that’s what happened then it’s always possible that he just became headmaster mid-term.

Rachel: Hmmm, that’s a possibility.

Kevin: Did that happen around the same time as Grindywald? Grindelwald? I can’t even pronounce it.

Laura: He defeated Grindelwald in 1945, correct? I think that that’s around the same time that Tom Riddle went to Hogwarts.

Kevin: That could be possible, though, as well. There could be a parallel between that. But, I don’t know. I think it’s like Andrew said: the most likely situation…

Laura: …scenario is that another teacher left.

Kevin: Yeah. Exactly. Or died or something happened to him.

Laura: But there’s always room for speculation.

Kevin: For all we know, that other teacher was Grindelwald.

Laura: Oooo! I like that.

Kevin:: Oooo!

Lacking Order

Andrew: She’s not in the photograph that Moody shows Harry in Order of the Phoenix. Uh, it’s a picture of the original Order of the Phoenix. Now why couldn’t she have been working in the first war and why is she in the Order now? I don’t think in Order of the Phoenix, we really saw much participation from her.

Laura: Well, she was showing up at meetings and stuff.

Kevin: Yeah, but that’s a lot like Hagrid as well. Because we didn’t see any participation…

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: But for all we know she was one of the most active members. You know?

Laura:: Mhm.

Andrew: And Hagrid seems like a good go-to guy. Like for simple tasks.

Kevin: Yeah, but…but…my point is, is that people make assumptions that just because we didn’t see them actively participating in certain Order tasks, means that they weren’t, you know what I mean?

Laura: Also, I think that she keeps a close eye on it because if you remember in Order of the Phoenix, when Hedwig got hurt and Harry took her out of whichever class he was in — I think it was History of Magic — and he ran into McGonagall and she was basically telling him, you know, giving him the hint that owls were being intercepted and stuff and that Umbridge had probably been the one that injured her trying to intercept the letter.

Kevin: And I’ve always imagined McGonagall as sort of like Dumbledore’s heir, like the one where he passes down all his stuff to. You know what I mean?

Laura: Mhm.

Role Reversal

Kevin: Sort of like, Dumbledore’s her mentor. Maybe I’m getting that incorrectly. You know? It’s… I just get that feeling from her.

Andrew: No, it made sense. I mean, what was everyone’s initial thoughts when Dumbledore died? Who was going to take over? McGonagall. It’s the perfect choice.

Kevin: Exactly.

Andrew: Yeah, so…

Laura: Except for those of us who think Dumbledore’s still alive. Andrew?

Andrew: No, I’m still mixed on that. I’m still mixed on that.

Laura: Oh! Okay. I don’t think that… I think that a lot people will try to look at that and say, “Oh, she was a Death Eater” and all this other stuff. I think…

Rachel: Oh no. No. [laughs]

Kevin: Wait a second, she was not a Death Eater. Anyone who says that is…

Laura: I think it’s just…. No, no, no. I think it’s… Well, whenever I think about the first war, I almost think about in the same sense as the second war where either people didn’t know or didn’t believe that Voldemort was around. It could just be a lack of information.

Kevin: Well, it could also be that she was just dealing with her own problems. I mean, it was a war so everyone was on one side or the other, you know? You were either the…

Laura: Or, you know, she might not have been there when they took the picture. She could have been off doing something important. We don’t know.

Kevin: That’s true, yeah.

Andrew: And, I mean, she must have known Dumbledore, because as we just stated a few minutes ago, she had taught for thirty-nine years and that would have been way before the first war.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: So then the next question is what will her role in the Order become now that Dumbledore is gone? I’d imagine she’d, well, she could step up, but on the other hand, now she has a school to run.

Kevin: Yeah, but at the same time, that’s what Dumbledore did.

Laura: I’m not sure who I could see taking Dumbledore’s place, you know?

Kevin: You don’t think it’s McGonagall?

Laura: No, no, no, no, no. I’m saying in the Order…

Kevin: In the Order or at the school?

Andrew: Oh, in the Order.

Laura: In the Order.

Kevin: Oh.

Laura: I’m not sure who I could see taking that lead command position.

Kevin: I’ve honestly always seen, like, Lupin there, to be honest. Just because he’s one of the only Order members that is able to pull himself out of “the real world,” kind of, because of his affliction, so it enables him to have more time to devote to the Order, you know?

Laura: I also think the Order is going to become more of a group leadership effort, if you know what I mean. Like, I don’t see it having one specific head person anymore.

Andrew: That’s true. Although, I was thinking Dumbledore could have made it clear who would take over.

Laura: He might have.

Andrew: In the event that someone died…he died.

Laura: I’m sure he has some kind of will or something along those lines.

Kevin: Yeah, I think…I think I’ve said that before. I mean, I doubt he just left them sitting in the dust.

Laura: Yeah, I think he knew that there was a great possibility that he could die.

Andrew: But no, Laura, I think you made a good point. I think it would make sense for them all to become a team rather than having just a leader.

Laura: And that might be what they need.

McGonagall and Dumbledore

Andrew: Let’s talk a little bit more about McGonagall and Dumbledore because in the first chapter on Privet Drive, she seems a little out of the loop when finding out any information from Dumbledore. But then she’s surprised that Dumbledore recognized her in Animagus form. Dumbledore’s like, “Minerva.” And she‘s like, “Whoa, how’d you know?” So how close, or distant, is their relationship together? I think in the beginning, in Harry’s first year, it definitely wasn’t as close as it is now.

Rachel: Yeah.

Laura: I think it’s definitely something that developed because of Harry.

Andrew: She’s Head of House, he’s head of school, so of course…

Kevin: And is that possibly…maybe that’s a possible reason for why she wasn’t in the Order at the time of the first war. Because if their relationship was strained…

Laura: Yeah, because Dumbledore seemed to be…

Kevin: Yeah, it’s possible that….

Laura: Recruiting people that he knew well.

Andrew: And in each book she really steps it up, in handling, like, Chamber of Secrets. I’m not referring to the book, I’m referring to the actual problem with the Chamber of Secrets. All these people being petrified, and she steps up.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: And this continued throughout the rest of the series and none of this really happened until Harry got there…any of these big events. So, yeah, they absolutely could have bonded together.

Laura: Well, that could go straight into the whole theory that, you know, do Dumbledore and McGonagall, do they have some sort of romantic interest in one another?

Rachel: Oh no. I doubt it.

Andrew: I doubt it.

Laura: I don’t think so but I know a lot of people like the pairing.

Andrew: It was an office relationship.

Rachel: No.

Laura: Yeah, I think so too.

Rachel: I don’t think so, no. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: But I’ve actually seen quite a few fan fictions on that topic.

[Rachel and Laura laugh]

Kevin: Wow.

Andrew: And what…

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: Let’s get off that topic very fast.

Andrew: Rachel is blown away. She can’t…

Rachel: Oh yeah.

Andrew: …imagine it. So what have we seen from her in terms of magical ability? Besides her Animagus transformation.

Kevin: Well, she was fighting the Death Eaters.

Laura: Stunned. She got stunned five times in the chest. And even Madam Pin…uh, who was it…Madam Pomfrey. Excuse me, I was thinking of the librarian for a moment. Um, she said that it wasn’t every aging wizard that could take that many spells in the chest and come away from it. So I think she’s definitely…

Andrew: Oh.

Laura: …pretty powerful.

Rachel: Also, I also think that the reason that McGonagall is so powerful is because her relationship with Dumbledore. You’ve got to learn a thing or two from him, I guess, you would assume so…

Andrew: Yeah, everybody does.

Laura: I agree.

Rachel: Yeah, so I think that’s pretty much the reason why she’s gotten…she’s a pretty strong wizard because of that. She’s been with Dumbledore for quite some time now so she’s developed as their relationships developed, I guess.

Laura: Mhm.

Rachel: You would think.

Laura: I’m sure he’s shown her a thing or two.

Devotion to Harry

Andrew: So she seems very devoted to Harry throughout the series. Any particular reason for this? Laura?

Laura: I think it’s because she was…she showed a considerate amount of sympathy at the fact that the Potters had been murdered and I think that just being their teacher and seeing what kind of struggles their son has to go through. I think she wants to facilitate any of his dreams, goals, whatever she can.

Kevin: Well, I was just going to say that she seems like one of those all around nice people. So, it just seems like she sympathizes with his situation. I don’t think it’s any particular love of Harry, you know what I mean? Like…

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Kevin: She’s built…

Andrew: She’s very motherly.

Kevin: Exactly. She’s built a relationship with but I don’t think the initial, you know, helping was for the fact that he was Harry Potter. You know, she just sympathized with his situation.

Andrew: She’d be that way, in other words, she’d be that way with any other character.

Kevin: Exactly, yeah. Yeah.

Rachel: You think?

Andrew: Well, in her House at least.

Rachel: I wouldn’t think so.

Andrew: In her House?

Rachel: Yeah, like I think her devotion to Harry, it mirrors maybe her relationships towards the Potters. But I can’t really see her being that way towards Ron or even Hermione. I don’t know, it just seems it’s something she’d only do for Harry, in my opinion.

Laura: Well, and I think that she was fairly fond of them when they were at school.

Rachel: Yeah. They were, exactly.

Laura: When she found out they were dead, she said “Lily and James…I can’t believe it.” But she called them by their first names, it wasn’t a last name basis like she tends to refer to her students as.

Kevin: Yeah, but I still see her as a person who, if any other student had their parents killed she’d still be just as sympathetic and helpful.

Laura: I think she’s sympathetic, but at the same time she treats Harry like another student.

Kevin: I mean, look at Neville.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: Well, now that she built the relationship, yes, but what I’m saying is initially. When she first met Harry, I think that she…if it was anyone else, she’d be just as sympathetic.

Laura: Well, I think that she would definitely have some sympathy towards the person, but even if they were anyone else, they aren’t the Boy Who Lived. And they aren’t the Chosen One. Harry is and he’s got even a larger burden then anyone else who’s lost their parents because he’s the one who has to defeat Voldemort.

Kevin: I guess I just believe she sees past that.

Laura: I think she would definitely be helpful in giving other students guidance.

Kevin: Well, I think she’d be helpful as acting as a motherly figure towards anyone who has lost their parents. That’s what I’m saying.

Laura: She’d definitely be a stern motherly figure. She does it without being…

Kevin: Oh, absolutely.

Laura: …unprofessional in a teacher’s sense.

Kevin; Exactly, but that’s what I’m saying. I believe she’s all professional in a sense that she offers sympathy when sympathy is required.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: And if someone else lost both their parents, she’d treat them the same way as she treated Harry the first time.

Rachel: I still stand by my word that McGonagall, I don’t know, is just more of a Harry thing towards her. Of course, she is motherly towards everyone, I guess, but I think there’s just something.

Kevin: So you think that she’s looking over Harry as sort of, she feels an obligation?

Rachel: Yeah, as more of a son. Well not really an obligation but I don’t know. It’s weird because when she talks about the Potters, you see that she really did have some sort of really close relationship with them. So I guess she feels the need to protect Harry as her own. And, yeah well, I agree with Kevin, though. Like, if it was anyone else who’s parents had died she’d do the same, but…

Laura: Yeah, I agree. I think the differing factor is that, like I said, Harry is the Chosen One, he’s the Boy Who Lived, he’s the one with this burden and I think that’s what makes a little bit of a difference in the way she’s trying to offer Harry guidance.

Minerva As Headmistress

Andrew: Now, we’ve discussed this in the past but, is she definitely the new headmistress, or just serving as a temporary role? I think we’re in agreement that she’s going to be the headmistress.

Laura: I think so, too.

Rachel: I hope so.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Who else would they put in that place? Although…

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: …I’m having terrifying thoughts of the Ministry taking advantage of the fact…

Andrew: I was just going to say that. Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: …that Dumbledore’s gone and trying to shove someone back in there.

Kevin: Yeah, but at the same time, I don’t think the Ministry has…I think the Ministry lost a lot of their power so…

Laura: Yeah, I think so, too.

Kevin: …you know.

Andrew: Absolutely.

Kevin: They lost a lot of their credibility so now, there….

Laura: Yeah but, just because they’ve lost credibility, is that going to stop them from using their power?

Kevin: It may not stop them, but…

Laura: People won’t like it, basically.

Kevin: …the power….exactly.

Laura: People will protest.

Kevin: You have to remember…exactly. The parents are sending their students, you know, their kids to this school. If the parents don’t like what’s going on, they’re going to vocalize. And, I think that it’s always been shown that the majority rules in the wizarding world and in this case…

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: …it’s going to be…

Andrew: Although it may sound a little too political for the Harry Potter books, she’s going to have to prove herself, somehow.

Kevin: Do you think so?

Andrew: Yeah, well, to the parents? Who…why would they trust this woman now? She’s just jumping in out of nowhere. Unless Dumbledore…

Kevin: Yeah, but she’s been a teacher at this school for so many years…

Andrew: And that means what?

Kevin: A lot!

Andrew: Anyone can be a teacher; that doesn’t mean you can run a school.

Kevin: But, I understand that, but there’s quite a few superintendents are originally teachers.

Laura: Well, consider…how close did your parents pay to various unassorted…

Rachel: True, true.

Laura: …superintendents at your schools?

Andrew: And, were these teachers, whoever became superintendents ever in control of a school that was in danger of being…

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Massacred. [laughs]

Laura: Because my parents…

Kevin: Yeah, but…

Laura: …they mainly pay attention to my teachers.

Kevin: Do you think…one, do you think that the Order is going to be, like, public knowledge now? And two, do you think that will be enough to convince people?

Laura: I think the Order is going to remain more of an underground-type thing. Obviously, it will be public knowledge to some, but if too many people know about it, then…

Andrew: Yeah.

Kevin: Yeah, you lose your…yeah.

Laura: Yeah, they kind of lose their bite.

Andrew: No good could…no good would come out of making it completely public.

Kevin: But I just think that the fact of her taking a stance on the Voldemort issue will have enough credibility, you know what I mean?

Andrew: If you take a stance, that’s fine. But I just think McGonagall will have to prove to parents that the school will be safe, which is going to be a hard thing to do now.

Laura: I think it…it’ll be definitely a challenge for her.

Rachel: It will be, but I think she’s capable of showing what she’s got. So, I don’t think it will be a big problem like that…I don’t think it will be a big issue in the book, for parents to be worried. It’ll be like, really small and then people will be like, okay.

Laura: How much of that are we going to see because…

Rachel: Exactly.

Laura: …Harry says he’s not going back to Hogwarts.

Rachel: Exactly. If we even do see Hogwarts.

Andrew: That question always comes back to haunt us.

[Everyone laughs]


Andrew: And now, is she going to be working closely with the Trio in the way that Dumbledore did? Dumbledore helped Harry out a lot in Half-Blood Prince.

Kevin: I don’t think so.

Laura: I don’t…no, I don’t think so either.

Kevin: Maybe in the sense of occasionally helping, but I don’t think that any of the Order will play a vital role in the Trio’s searching for the Horcri and all that stuff.

[Rachel laughs]

Laura: Well I think, it’s…

Kevin: I used “Horcri” because I know people like that.

Laura: I think it’s just part of the theme that Harry has to do it alone and what would be the point of not having Dumbledore around anymore if someone else was going to come along and take his place?

Kevin: Exactly…is going to fill in…exactly.

Andrew: And could Dumbledore have given her any sort of information before he died?

Kevin: Vital information would have been…

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: …given to Harry. I think some of, maybe the Order stuff, like the…this is what should happen…this is what should happen to the school…would go to McGonagall but anything of, like, importance like, to defeating Voldemort would be a Harry exclusive.

Laura: Mhm.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: It’s like Warner Brothers.

Kevin: Harry exclusive, exactly.

Andrew: Harry exclusive. So, she’s been a Transfiguration teacher all these years, we think she’s going to become the headmistress, could she possibly teach Harry, give Harry a few extra lessons in Transfiguration that could help him?

Kevin: I don’t think so. I think that Harry is on his own.

Andrew: But, why not help him out?

Kevin: Because he is separating himself from the school, and in doing that, I don’t see him getting involved in the school in any way. I think he should…it’s my hope at least, that he’s going to be self-taught and anything from here on out that he needs to defeat Voldemort will be learned by Harry himself.

Laura: I also think that, in terms of story-telling, there’s a lot that needs to be accomplished in Book 7 and I’m not sure we’re going to have time…

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: …to see Harry go learn all sorts of new tricks.

Andrew: Unless it’s vital to what he does to get another Horcrux.

Kevin: Yeah, maybe every once and a while…

Laura: Maybe, but…

Andrew: All he has to do is transfigure into some small, unmovable object and…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …he’s safe from being spotted from wherever he is.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Or someone will turn him into a Horcrux.

Andrew: Yeah, there you go.

[Laura laughs]

Voicemail – Lost Kitty

Andrew: So now, let’s move on to some voicemails. Finally, yes! After two weeks…

Laura: Oh my god, we have voicemails!

Andrew: We’re back in it. We started getting emails of concern that people thought we’d canceled it.

Kevin: Yeah.

Andrew: And Kevin just canceled his interest in MuggleCast for two weeks, that’s basically what happened.

Kevin: I did not! [laughs]

[Audio]:: Hi, my name is Blake from Long Island, New York and I was wondering why, in the first book, McGonagall is mentioned as an Animagus and then throughout the rest of the series, it was never mentioned again? So, thank you, I love your show. Bye-bye.

Kevin: I would say that either, one, she never had the opportunity to mention it, or two, it’s going to be used in Book 7 in a specific way and she doesn’t want to reveal all the implications of being an Animagus.

Andrew: Or three, she had no reason to turn into a…

Kevin: Cat every five seconds.

Andrew: Right, she had no reason to turn into a cat, yeah.

Laura: Also, it was convenient for Prisoner of Azkaban because Hermione went and looked up the rosters for everyone that was an animagus and she went to look up Professor McGonagall and it was just a convenient part of the storyline for her to show that none of the Marauders were registered Animaguseses-thingies.

Kevin: Animagi.

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: Look, I just coined a new word.

Laura: Yay, Kevin…you get a gold star.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Alright, now it’s time head into one McGonagall voicemail, then we’ll go into some general voicemails. You guys ready? Kevin, you ready? It’s been a long time. Here we go.

Voicemail – Fan Fiction

[Audio]:: Hey guys, this is Kate from Chicago and I was just wondering what you all thought of fan fiction. Are you a fan of it yourselves or do you think it’s just for delusional kids who have no time on their hands? Personally, I think fan fiction is a great time consumer between HP releases…movies or books. What do you think? Bye.

Andrew: Yeah, it’s a great way to fill up time between books and movies, besides listening to our show, of course. It’s too bad Ben’s not here because he is a big fan of fan fiction. Me, personally no. What about you guys?

Kevin: Same. I think it skews my opinions of the books, so I don’t read it.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: I used to read a lot of fan fiction, obviously because I used to moderate over at MuggleNet Fan Fiction…but, prior to that, I’d say…

Kevin: Especially the dirty stuff.

Laura: Yeah, and you know, actually we did get some dirty McGonagall stuff, but I’m not going to bring that up here.

Kevin: Okay.

[Laura laughs, then everyone laughs]

Laura: No, I used to…I’d say between the ages of thirteen and fifteen I read a lot of fan fiction. There was a period for a few months where I actually wrote quite a lot of fan fiction…and I think it’s really good if you’re pursuing a writing career whether it be in journalism, being a novelist, whatever… It’s a good way to tone your skills. Because Harry Potter is such a complex and diverse type of story that you can come up with so many theories and just elaborate on them and I think it’s a really, really good output. So, keep writing.

Andrew: Yeah, some of them are beautifully written. What about…

Laura: Yeah, there’s some great stuff out there.

Kevin: Well, yeah, I mean they’re good reads. It’s just that I probably won’t start reading them until after the final book.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s true.

Laura: On the other hand, there’s some really scary stuff out there, but I think that…

Andrew: Mhm. What are your thoughts on it, Rachel?

Rachel: Well, I started fan fiction before I, like…I think it was sophomore year in high school, I used to read it a lot. But, that was before I had my job on MuggleNet, so now I don’t read it as often because, yeah…

Kevin: You have no time.

Rachel: I have no time because I’m always working for the site. But, I used to write quite a bit of fan fiction, not really a lot, mostly one-shots and I used to be a beta for some fan fiction site, I don’t even remember what its name…but yeah, I used to read it a lot. It’s really cool, like some of the stories I used to read were awesome. But yeah, I don’t read as many anymore, oh well.

Laura: I also think that if you work for a site like MuggleNet and just any other Harry Potter site, you pretty much see all the theories that…

Rachel: Yeah

Kevin: Yeah, that’s true.

Laura: And it’s kind of redundant to read fan fiction.

Andrew: I mean, it’s not like fan fictions really break through on a lot of theories either.

Laura: No, but I can think of a couple that I’ve read that I thought were just really outstanding. Picked up on things that I hadn’t noticed in the books. There are definitely some talented people out there.

Kevin: Although, you know what? I would like to see those people who are devoting their time to writing Harry Potter fan fiction to writing a book.

Rachel: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm. Well, I think that’s what people do because, I mean, I don’t write fan fiction anymore. I write my own stories now. And I really think that writing fan fiction sort of helped me find my ground, sort of helped me find my writing style and kind of showed me what I wanted to do and what I wanted to write about, so, I think it’s a good thing. I think a lot of people do sort of break through from fan fiction to their own fiction once they become more adult.

Kevin: Yeah, and I do think that it’s a… There are some people who get stuck on it though, you know? Like, they aren’t willing to take the next step to try to write their own material and it’s somewhat disappointing because they are writing such good fan fiction, you know they could be writing very good books, you know. So…

Laura: Yeah, I agree. I don’t think…I think there are some fandoms you see that more in than Harry Potter. There is some fandoms where fan fiction…

[Rachel laughs]

Laura: …is kind of horrifying.

Kevin: Yeah, I can imagine.

Voicemail – The Killing Curse

[Audio]:: This is James from Southern California. My question is that there’s been a lot of debate on MuggleCast lately about whether it takes more than one Avada Kedavra to kill Hagrid, with his giant’s skin, or a dragon. But it says in Book 4 that Moody says, “There’s no counter curse, there is no blocking it,” referring to Avada Kedavra. And I think “there’s no blocking it” refers to not being able to block it, whether it be dragon’s skin or whatever. Just like to hear your comments. Love the show. Bye.

Kevin: Yeah, I agree. I don’t think there is any blocking it. Because, if there was any blocking it, then not as many people would be afraid of it, you know. So…

Andrew: Right, yeah, Hagrid might be more prone to fight it. He might not be as much of a wuss.

Kevin: Yeah but I honestly believe it would…

Laura: Yeah.

Kevin: …kill Hagrid in one hit or a dragon in one hit, whether or not…

Laura: Well, I think there are good points raised on both ends. I believe it was Ben who said it during the Hagrid episode that, if you walk up to someone with a baseball bat, a normal person, you’re going to do a lot more damage than…as if you walked up to a dragon and hit them with a baseball bat. On the other hand, if it’s a curse that can’t be blocked, then it’s reasonable to assume that it is a curse that could kill anyone, no matter their size or power.

Kevin: Not to mention, we’re not…who says it’s even going to work on a dragon? For all we know, it can’t…you know, the curse is only against humans.

Laura: It’s exclusive to humans?

Kevin: Yeah, it’s possible. I mean, I think I’ve read theories where they said it actually tears a person’s soul away from their body or something like that.

Laura: Well, but then, Moody used it against the spider.

Kevin: That’s true, that’s true.

Laura: Well, the imposter Moody used it against the spider…

Kevin: That’s true.

Laura: …in Goblet of Fire.

Kevin: So I guess it works for all of them and it kills all of them in one hit. [laughs]

Voicemail – Nagini, The Secret-Keeper?

[Audio]: Hey, this is Robert from Florida, and I was wondering: if you can speak Parseltongue, do you think that you could make, say, a snake your Secret-Keeper? And another thing, what happened to Sirius’ two-way mirror that he gave to Harry? They didn’t mention it in Half-Blood Prince, and I was thinking she was going to do something with that. I love your show!

Laura: I guess it depends on…

Rachel: Why would you make your snake a Secret-Keeper, though?

Laura: Well, I guess the reason you would do something like that is not that many people are Parseltongues, so…

Kevin: And it’s not like…

Laura: …it’s not likely that your snake is going to go blab [laughs] to somebody.

Rachel: True.

Kevin: And it’s not likely that they’d suspect that person as being your Secret-Keeper in the first place…

Laura: Mhm.

Rachel: Yeah, exactly!

Kevin: So they wouldn’t manipulate them. You know? Because…

Laura: That’s an interesting theory, though. I like that!

Kevin: But also, in that case, wouldn’t it be wise of Voldemort to make Nagini…

Laura: [At the same time as Kevin] Nagini.

Kevin: …his Secret-Keeper for hiding the Horcruxes. And then they’d be…

Laura: That’s pretty cool.

Kevin: …unfindable unless you had the snake.

Rachel: That’s…

Kevin: But…

Rachel: That’s definitely something to take into consideration.

Laura: Mhm.

Kevin: But as we know, they have found them, so…

Rachel: Yeah.

Kevin: It’s an interesting possibility.

Laura: Hmm!

Kevin: I don’t know how to…

Laura: It is.

Rachel: Yeah! It is.

Kevin: …I don’t think we can fully answer that. I mean, it’s a possibility that…

Laura: No.

Kevin: …yes, it could be, you could make an animal your Secret-Keeper, but the implications to that are not that great.

Laura: Yeah. And as for Sirius’ two-way mirror, Jo, I believe, did say that we were going to find out something about that. And I think that something that everyone needs to remember is there is one more book. And obviously, not everything is going to be answered…

Rachel: Right.

Laura: …in Half-Blood Prince.

Voicemail – Animagus Antics

[Audio]: Hi, this is Summer from Alexandria. I was just curious as to is there a way that you could transform into an animal and back from an animal by yourself that does not require you to be an Animagus? Because in the fourth book, Krum transfigures his head into a shark. I mean that’s at least partial transformation. And Moody (Mad-Eye) turns Draco into a ferret. I was just- that might be a way that you could transfigure yourself, or at least someone else could transfigure you. Thanks. Bye!

Kevin: I think the only benefit to becoming an Animagus is one, a more personal connection to the actual shape you become; and two, I don’t think it requires a wand, does it?

Rachel: No. When…

Laura: I don’t think so.

Kevin: Because… no, it doesn’t. Because Pettigrew did not have a wand when he tried to…

Rachel: Yeah, that’s what I was going to say.

Kevin: …transform into a rat.

Laura: Well, wait, hang on.

Kevin: Am I right? No?

Laura: I’m not sure if I’m confusing the book and the movie.

Kevin: I think I… yeah.

Laura: But it seems like I remember, I remember when Remus dropped his wand in Prisoner of Azkaban

Kevin: He picked it up and then transformed.

Laura: …he picked it up and started to transform. Yeah. But I’m kind of, I’m kind of having this thought that maybe you can transfigure yourself into an animal, but it’s not a permanent thing, you know? Like… whereas being an Animagus, [pronounces with a hard “g”] Animagus, however you pronounce it…

Rachel: Yeah.

Laura: …you can turn into one and stay that way for the rest of your life, if you want to.

Kevin: Yeah, so the transformation may…it’s limited by your magical ability.

Rachel: Right.

Kevin: Whereas an Animagus, you can, you know, it’s not limited by your strength or…

Laura: Yeah, mhm. Well, you know, as we saw, Krum couldn’t even totally transfigure himself into a shark.

Rachel: Yes.

Laura: It was just his head.

Kevin: So it’s obviously some heavy magic.

Laura: Mhm.

Rachel: Yup!

Andrew: Okay.

Surprise Guest

Andrew: Oh! Wait! Hold on, guys. Before we get to the Dueling Club, I think I hear a knock at the MuggleCast studio door! Kevin, can you go see who that is? I’m too busy to go.

Kevin: Yeah, yeah, one sec.

Andrew: It’s… okay.

Kevin: Hello?

Andrew: It’s right over there, around the corner. Yeah.

Eric [in a false girly voice]: You guys want some cookies?

Kevin: Oh my god! Close the door!

Andrew: Oh, oh, it’s a Girl Scout! Awww…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Awww, no, it’s a Girl Scout. They’re selling cookies again! Wait… that’s Eric Scull, dressed in a Girl Scout uniform! Uh, Eric, shouldn’t you be recording the show rather than selling Girl Scout cookies?

Eric: I just thought I’d help out in the community. You know, doing my part, Andrew.

Andrew: [Laughs] Oh, right! Well…

[Laura and Rachel laugh]

Eric: Doing my part by wearing a skirt and prancing about with cookies.

Kevin: And he…

Andrew: Isn’t that something? You put on your headset and then you walked right over to the studio table here, and… that’s amazing. Because we’re all in one room.

Eric: Well, see, I figured by doing this, I not only sell cookies, but I, you know… you guys are what, six people here? So I’m going to sell a lot of cookies. You’ll all buy my cookies, won’t you?

Andrew: No, this would be…

Laura: Five.

Andrew: …five people.

Eric: Doesn’t matter, you guys will all buy my cookies anyway, right?

Andrew: Yes, of course. So thanks for joining us, Eric. You were actually working at the movie theater.

Eric: Yes.

Andrew: At your fine, fine job.

Eric: Yep!

Andrew: Sell many tickets?

Eric: Um…

Andrew: What was the hit movie this weekend? Give us the scoop.

Eric: The hit movie so far… well, it’s only Friday, so…

Andrew: Yeah, well Friday night. Friday night hit movie- what was it?

Eric: I’d have to say Date Movie.

Andrew: Yeah, I heard about that.

[Kevin laughs]

Eric: Yeah, Date Movie‘s getting lots of reviews. Lots of good people coming up to us for no reason and saying, “That was a really good movie. You should go see it.” And we feel bad, because we can’t really see it. So…

Kevin: Do they allow you to see the movies?

Andrew: Why not?

Eric: We get to peek in if all our other jobs are done.

[Andrew laughs]

Kevin: No, I mean do they have, like, the twelve o’clock screeners?

Eric: Yeah, there will be a screening of Date Movie tomorrow night, but unfortunately Pennsylvania residents, I can’t get you in.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: It’s kind of employees only.

Andrew: What about New Jersey residents?

Eric: Yeah. Well, that…

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: …maybe for you. But nobody else. Shhh.

Andrew: Awww. Okay. Well, [laughs] thanks. I’ll head straight out there to save seven bucks.

Eric: Yeah, because I have a strange feeling that somehow, I’m going to find out that 300 people listen to MuggleCast right next door to me, and would all want in on this movie.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: You know, they’ve never contacted me before; I’ve never heard from anybody. But I have a strange feeling.

Dueling Club

Andrew: Well as most of you know, the Dueling Club is where two co-hosts pick a wizard or witch behind the other person’s back. And at the same time, they give each other their character, and then they figure out who would possibly win. It’s an exciting new twist on the Dueling Club on MuggleCast.

Eric: It’s so exciting!

Andrew: One, two… [laughs]

Eric: It’s so exciting that it makes me…

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Eric: It’s so exciting it warrants five seconds of silence!

[Laura and Rachel laugh]

Andrew: Often imitated, never duplicated. Okay, so on three. Ready, girls?

Eric: [in a mock girly voice] Ready, Andrew!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Seriously, what’s so funny?

Eric: How many times have we had that many girls on the show where we can just say, “Ready, Girls?”

Andrew: I know.

[Andrew, Kevin and Eric laugh]

Eric: It’s like…

Andrew: Usually it’s, “Ready, boys? And Laura.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, okay. On three. One, two, three.

Laura: Professor Flitwick.

Rachel: [At the same time as Laura] Cormac. [laughs]

Laura: I think Professor Flitwick would win, just because he’s so advanced at Charms and he’s obviously better…

Rachel: Well, yeah! You cheated! You got a professor. I got stuck with…

[Rachel and Laura laugh]

Laura: Hey, you’re supposed to defend your character.

Eric: Yeah, defend him. Be like…

Rachel: I don’t know! Well, he’s… he’s always kind of like an airhead, but… [laughs]

Eric: I don’t think there’s enough…

Laura: No, I think Flitwick is definitely far more magically advanced than Cormac McLaggen could ever be.

Rachel: Oh, you give… you don’t give Cormac enough credit. He might seem like an idiot or a jock or something, but I…

Eric: But he’s really a sweetheart. He’s really a sweetheart.

[Rachel laughs]

Laura: Well, he’s got a horrible temper.

Rachel: Well see, his temper might work. Because then he might curse you all, with like…

Laura: Yeah, he might sit on Flitwick!

Rachel: Yeah! See? He doesn’t need his wand. [laughs] He can just sit on him altogether!

Eric: He’s got his thumpin’ fists!

Rachel: [Gasps] Twins! Or… [laughs] See, I win. There we go.

Eric: Yay, Rachel!

Laura: Mhm…

Eric: She’s won her first Dueling Club.

Rachel: Yay!

Laura: Oh, please. Oh, please!

Andrew: Well, I think that does do it for this episode of MuggleCast, episode… what is this? Twenty-eight?


Laura: Twenty-eight.

Andrew: Seriously, once we got into the twenties, I just lost count. [laughs] I’m like, for some reason, I can’t remember.

Kevin: Well, that’s because you can’t count over twenty.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Oh, right.

Eric: Kevin can divide by zero!

Kevin: Yeah, I can!

Eric: He would whoop Goyle any day. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, you would divide by zero. You’d think there’s some theory behind it. [laughs] So…

Laura: Wow, it’s been twenty episodes since my first show.

Eric: It’s been 25 since mine! Twenty-five since mine!

Andrew: Awww, Laura!

Kevin: Awww… it’s been 28 since mine.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Kevin’s all like, it’s been…


Andrew: I’ve been on every episode. I’m so proud of myself!

Eric: You should be.

Kevin: You should be proud of yourself.

Eric: You’ve edited almost every episode.

Andrew: I’m sick of it. Twenty-eight, when you think about it, hasn’t really been that much.


Eric: No, it has! When you think about it. Think of that, and then…

Andrew: I guess. Twenty-eight hours…

Eric: Think of it like, five/six months, like, half a year.

Andrew: Oh my god.

Eric: I mean, that’s what it’s been. It’s been half a year.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: 28… there’s 52… So, two weeks ago was like our halfway mark.

Andrew: I can’t wait for our year anniversary.

Laura: Awww.

Andrew: It’s going to be a fun show.

Kevin: We’re going to have a hazing.

[Eric and Kevin laugh]

Andrew: Well it’s going to be right after Vegas. We’ll have to record something down in Vegas and then put it out on August 4th.

Show Close

Andrew [Show close with music in background]: So once again, [laughs] I’m Andrew Sims.

Kevin: I’m Kevin Steck.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Kevin: I added some force to that.

Rachel: And I’m Rachel Godoy.

Andrew: And Eric, thank you for joining us at the end this week. It’s always good to have you on.

Eric: Thank you, Andrew, for having me on.

Andrew: We’ll see everyone next week for Episode 29. And don’t forget that you can send in your questions, concerns, comments, complaints- whatever you want- to mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. And also, if you have a question for us next week concerning Remus Lupin, who is the character we’ll be going in depth on, please send those in to voice at staff dot mugglenet dot com, or call it in at 1-218-20-MAGIC (62442).


[Groovy music starts]

[Audio]: Hey guys, this is Proma from Michigan, and I just wanted to thank you for Episode 27, because it was just awesome. I mean, I was having, like, a really bad week before that, and it cheered me up. It was so hilarious! And not only that, but it was kind of a good luck charm! I mean, the next day, I found out I was going to Lumos. So, thank you! Just thank you! Thank you. Okay, I’m sort of tripping over my words now, but thanks!

[Audio]: Hey MuggleCast! Anna from Maryland, and I just wanted to call to say how much I love your show. And Kevin, you rule, you’re my favorite. I love you guys a lot, and keep up the great work. And I loved watching the New York live podcast. Great job guys, you’re hilarious. And Laura, love you too. Bye!

[Audio]: Hey! This is Taylor Gibbon from Michigan.

Laura: you rock, man! But I have something to say about Episode 26, because Luna Lovegood could be so much better than that, man. Putting the down low on herself… boo! But I love your show. Okay, bye!

[Audio]: Hey all you MuggleCasters. This is Jeffery calling from California, and I have got one single thing to say about MuggleCast: [imitates Andrew] Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! All right. Thanks. Bye!

[Audio]: Hi, this is Laura from Ohio. I love your show, I’ve been listening ever since it came out. I was really excited, because I just got my iPod. Keep up the good work!

[Audio]: Hi! This is Spencer, and I just wanted to say I’ve been having a lot of fun watching your video- and Micah looks like a young John Stewart… which is really creepy. Yeah. Bye.


Andrew: Yeah. Well in previous shows, we had said, well, could Hagrid possibly block it? Because he’s got that… [laughs] it seems kind of dumb, when you think about it. He’s got the coat on, which some…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …we had thought, well maybe that helps. But then he’s got a thick layer of skin.

Laura: Is it the coat?

Andrew: Huh?

Laura: The coat?

Andrew: The coat!

Kevin: Yeah, apparently, there’s something with the coat.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Have you seen that coat? He has everything in that coat.

Laura: Well that doesn’t mean…

Andrew: You never know, it could have some sort of…

[Laura and Rachel laugh]

Laura: That doesn’t mean it deflects stuff!

Andrew: I know! I know! That’s why I just said it’s kind of stupid! But what I’m saying…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …yeah.

Laura: No, I’m just… I’ve never heard of a theory that Hagrid’s coat [laughs] could deflect…

Andrew: That’s what we said!

Laura: [Laughs] …an Unforgivable Curse.

Andrew: That’s what we said on the show a few weeks ago.

Laura: No! We were talking about his skin. His giant skin. [laughs]

Kevin: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Andrew: Yeah, then we were talking about a coat! Because then I was like, “Oh yeah…

Laura: No!!!! No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Andrew: “…he’s got the sausage hanging out of it.”

[Everyone laughs]

Kevin: Oh god…

Laura: That’s not what we said! No! No, no, no. What happened was…

Andrew: I remember vividly.

Laura: No, apparently you don’t.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Laura: No, no, no…

Andrew: Where is that Hagrid doll for the second time? Go ahead.

Laura: No. [laughs] What happened was Eric said that if that were the case, people would be buying Hagrid-skin coats.

Kevin: Yeah.

Laura: Like coats made out of giant skin and dragon skin.

Andrew: Right. Forget I said that, I’ll just take that out.

[Laura laughs]

Kevin: Okay. But…


Written by: Micah, Ally, Martina, and Sarah

Episode 28

  • MuggleNet Staffer Rachel co-hosts this week!
  • Lumos registration is now closed; but never fear, you can still come to the show!
  • Create your own MuggleCast segment contest now closed. Winners will be announced on episode 29.
  • Our reaction to WB’s podcast.
  • Main discussion ? Minerva McGonagall (suggested by Terri)
  • What reason does she have for being an animagus?
  • Is she a pureblood? Does it matter?
  • Why would she begin teaching at Hogwarts in December? Possible connection to Dumbledore’s defeat of Grindlewald and/or Tom Riddle opening the Chamber of Secrets?
  • Was she in the original Order of the Phoenix?
  • What will her role in the Order be now that Dumbledore is gone?
  • How close was she to Dumbledore?
  • Is Harry receiving special treatment from her?
  • Is she definitely the new (and permanent) Headmistress of Hogwarts?
  • We give our opinions on Harry Potter Fan Fiction.
  • Could you make a snake your secret keeper?
  • The Dueling Club: Cormac McLaggen (Rachel) vs. Professor Flitwick (Laura)
  • Next week’s character: Remus Lupin!

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MuggleCast EP27 Transcript


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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of MuggleCast! I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: I’m Ben Schoen.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Dylan: And I’m Dylan Spartz.

Andrew: And this is the show where we bring you the latest in Harry Potter news, theories, discussions, trivia, whatever you want. And now with 100% more Dylan Spartz.

Ben: Yay!

Laura: Yay!

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Hooray!

Ben: And I’d just like to take a moment to congratulate U2 on their five Grammys. Okay, Harry Potter. Let’s go.

Andrew: Oh me too.

[Ben and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: Welcome Dylan, to the show. We had you on a few weeks ago – by weeks, I mean months.

Ben: Yeah.

[Ben, Eric, and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: And we had to cut you out because there were audio problems.

Dylan: Right, that’s what you say.

Andrew: [laughs] None this week.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: You sounded like a chipmunk. I didn’t want people getting the wrong impression.

Dylan: Right.

Andrew: I’m not even joking, man. [laughs] Before we go anywhere else, first let’s check in with Micah for the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories.


Micah: Thanks, Andrew.

CBBC Newsround reported Friday that after their absence from Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, the Dursleys will return in Order of the Phoenix. They also announced some of the other actors cast for the fifth Harry Potter film.

Sian Thomas will play Amelia Bones the Head of the Magical Law Enforcement Office. She’s appeared in several productions for the Royal Shakespeare Company, as well as roles in television and film.

Lending more credibility to the rumor that the Dementor Attack will appear in Order of the Phoenix, Jason Boyd has been cast as Pier Polkiss and Richard Macklin will play Malcolm, two of Dudley’s friends.

Young Peter Pettigrew will be played by Charles Hughes and Young Lily Potter will be played by Susie Shinner.

Finally, Richard Leaf will play Ministry Auror Dawlish and Nick Shim has been cast as Zacharias Smith.

Warner Bros. said earlier this week that both Gary Oldman and David Thewlis are still under negotiations to appear in Order of the Phoenix.

Filming began for the fifth film on Monday.

Moving from Order of the Phoenix to Goblet of Fire, Warner Bros. has released a commercial for the upcoming Goblet of Fire DVD! You can check it out as well as a review of the new DVD over on MuggleNet.com.

The Harry Potter series has been nominated for a Kids’ Choice Award in the category of Favorite Book while Goblet of Fire is up for consideration in the Favorite Movie category. You can vote on the Nickelodeon’s website starting March 6th. The Awards will be presented on Saturday, April 1st at 8 PM.

And don’t forget voting for the 2006 AOL Moviefone Moviegoer Awards is still open. Nominations are in the areas of Movie of the Year (Goblet of Fire), Actor of the Year (Dan Radcliffe), Actress of the Year (Emma Watson), Best Scene-Stealer (Brendan Gleeson), and Vilest Villain (Ralph Fiennes).

Finally, you’ve asked about if for months, now the video from our LIVE New York City podcast is available over on MuggleCast.com’s Episode Page.

That’s all the news for this February 12th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: Okay. Well thanks, Micah Tan.


Andrew: Let’s go to some announcements before we do anything else this week. One e-mail that we have been getting a lot of is where did all of the older episodes go on the feed?

Ben: The reason we don’t have any more than ten episodes on the feed is because it gets sort of crowded and it is not necessary. So, if you want to have episodes before that, go to MuggleCast.com, click on “Episodes.”

Andrew: That’s what I just said.

Ben: I don’t know why it was so hard for him to say that. [laughs]

Andrew: Because I have ADD. What’s the… What’s the… You trying to insult me or something?

Eric: But so guys, guys, won’t that mess up the way people play MuggleCast on their iPods? Because it won’t show up under podcasts, it’ll show up under…

Andrew: Well, some people were saying that, but is that true?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: When it goes out of our feed it deletes it from their podcast directory?

Ben: No, it doesn’t. It shouldn’t.

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t think so.

Eric: What it does is, it shows up as “Songs.” Except the problem is the earlier episodes don’t have the same artists. They’re under like Andrew Sims, Ben Schoen, you know?. Now, it’s just as The MuggleCasters. So, it’s almost impossible…

Andrew: But, if you go to “Podcasts,” if you go to “Podcasts” on your iPod…

Eric: Yeah?

Andrew: All the ones that aren’t on our feed anymore aren’t there? I don’t think that is true.

Eric: I think…

Andrew: I’m not able to test it because of my settings.

Eric: All I am saying is if you direct download it, there’s no way to get it on the podcast part of the thing.

Andrew: Oh, right! [coughs] Right. Well…

Eric: It just shows up as a random episode.

Andrew: Yeah, well…

Eric: Or random song.

Andrew: [laughs] …what are you going to do?

Eric: There’s no way to fix it.

Ben: So, yeah. Buy an iPod.

Andrew: That’s the problem. [laughs] People, people…it’s going to show up in a different place on their iPod, that’s what he is saying.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But it’s not an issue if you have already downloaded all of them through the feed.

Eric: Well, right, but it actually…

Andrew: New people, yes.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay. [laughs]

Ben: Now this is, this is the borefest with Andrew and Eric.

Andrew: I know. [laughs] This is “This Week in MuggleCast Tech.”

Ben: Yeah.


Andrew: All right. And now the update on the Andrew’s Listener Challenge that is sweeping the nation are my contests, my segment contest – “Create Your own MuggleCast Segment” – that will then be aired on our show, and you’ll also win a fabulous MuggleCast T-shirt for you and everyone who participated. I’d like to remind everyone that you must send your final entries to challenge at staff dot mugglenet dot com. And send any questions to me at andrew at staff dot mugglenet dot com. This is the final week for the contest because it closes on the 18th.

Ben: Yeah!

Andrew: When we release our next show – it is closed! So get them in this week.


Andrew: So Ben, we have to remind everyone that we are now selling MuggleCast T-shirts.

Ben: That’s right! Get yours today! Visit MuggleCast.com and there’s a link that says “Store” where you can buy a T-shirt comes in two designs and a variety of sizes. They cost is around $15.00. And for every shirt you buy, it supports the site and it supports MuggleCast in itself.

Andrew: And they come in two great designs, a little – what do we want to call it, Ben?

Ben: Ehhh…

Andrew: [whispers] Not iPod. Shhh.

Ben: Generic headset that are coincidentally white style.

Andrew: Mhm. And have different color backgrounds. You guys will love them. They look great. I mean Ben and I both have them. We wear them proudly.

Ben: Exactly.

Andrew: And we get noticed for once. [fakes crying]

Ben: Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Andrew: And then also the second design is a Micbolt, which is a microphone and lightening bolt skewed into one. It’s really cool. It’s a great design for our show – it fits perfectly.

Ben: But not only that, Andrew. We need to remind them that – it is actually a T-shirt I am wearing at this moment – you can buy MuggleNet T-shirts at MuggleNet.com, the Harry Potter website this podcast is for. And those T-shirts go towards supporting the podcast and go towards supporting the site. So…

Andrew: We appreciate your purchase very much.

Ben: So, go… Any business, we love it.

Andrew: Mhm.

Ben: So, thank you.

Andrew: And go buy one today.

Ben: Right now.

Andrew: All right. So, thanks everyone!


Andrew: And we have two corrections from last week’s show. For one, we mentioned that we asked, “Well, what the hell does Wormtail do with his silver hand?” and Margaret from New Orleans and a few other people pointed out to us that when Wormtail receives it, he crushes a stick to dust with his new shiny hand, which means that it is very powerful. So, we really did know what it was for.

Ben: Yeah.

Dylan: Because he is cool like that.

Andrew: We didn’t, we didn’t look into that fully, So, sorry about that. And…

Eric: Andrew, I’ll handle the second one.

Andrew: Oh, oh, okay. Go ahead.

Eric: All right. I can handle the second one. The second correction to last week…

Andrew: In an hour or less.

Eric: Okay. No, absolutely. [laughs] A few people sent in concerns saying last we discussed whether or not Peter Pettigrew could reveal himself fully to the public. And I had speculated in the episode with everybody else that he could not indeed show his face because that would mean that Sirius was innocent, and there would be this big revolution and everything. However, people sent in copies or segments of the first chapter of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince during “The Other Minister” where Fudge is admitting to the Muggle Minister that Sirius was innocent. Now, what I wanted to say was that I had this in mind while thinking about it, and I truly don’t believe that the wizarding public has been informed that Sirius is innocent. I just think that was Fudge giving into explaining… At that moment he was explaining everthing to the Muggle Minister, and even though Fudge admits to the Minister that he was, you know, that Sirius was innocent, that he was wrong and…

Laura: Yeah, I agree. I think if Sirius’ name had been cleared that Jo would have mentioned it, definitely.

Eric: I don’t think that Fudge is the kind of Minister, the kind of politician who would admit things to the public. So, even though he may have thought, even though he may have admitted to the Minister, I still don’t think the public knows.

Andrew: And was there really any reason for the Prime Minister to tell the public because he would have been the one who told the public, right?

Eric: There wasn’t. It was just a matter of the Minister at that time was running through with Fudge all that stuff he had told him in the past, and Fudge had to correct himself because, “Oh gee, that was very unfortunate that we were wrong.” But, I swear, I really don’t think he told the public.

Micah: Not to mention Fudge would have been in a whole lot of trouble for getting the wrong guy.

Eric: Yeah. And he would have been ousted out before they deemed him incompetent. They would have kicked him out long before that.

Andrew: So take that and rewind it back! [laughs]

Eric: Yeah! That’s right! Take that, fans! Okay.

Andrew: No, I’m just kidding. We appreciated when fans point out when we make mistakes.

Eric: We really do, but I had that in mind.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Because we’re not perfect. It’s hard to get every detail nailed down into our heads and sometimes we are going to screw up. So…

Ben: You, especially.

Andrew: Rarely. Rarely. Very rarely.

Eric: We do appreciate when you keep us in check.

Laura: Also… I did get several emails concerning the fact that people thought that we were saying that Dumbledore knew that Pettigrew was the Secret-Keeper and I just wanted to clear up that I don’t think that was the point we were getting at. I think we were getting at the point that Dumbledore thought one of the Potter’s friends was a traitor, not anyone specifically. So…

Andrew: Right. Yeah. I saw emails about that too.

Ben: Thank you.

Andrew: People think we’re crazy sometimes.

Eric: Any other corrections from last week?

Andrew: No, that’s it, Eric.

Eric: Cool beans.

Ben: We’re like the New York Times: we have corrections section on our show, man.

Eric: That was a nearly…

Andrew: Yeah, you know…

Eric: …nearly perfect episode. I thought that was very well…

Andrew: Yeah, people really appreciated last week’s show.

Ben: What about it?

Andrew: They liked what, well, for one, you weren’t on. That was a big plus.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Awww…ouch, come on.

Andrew: That was highly rated. Just kidding. Okay…

Ben: Like a knife to my heart.

Ben’s Top 10

Andrew: Okay, now for the main discussion this week, as most of you know unless you’re living under a rock and/or you are extremely anti-social, Tuesday is Valentine’s Day so it would only be right if we discussed a little bit of Valentines. Alright, so, Ben, you haven’t been on the show; you weren’t on last week and you’ve been sort of neglecting the Top Ten List…which is upsetting.

Ben: Yeah, I’m terrible.

Andrew: Yeah, you’ve upset many fans. So, you have one for us this week, right?

Ben: Yeah so, in the whole spirit of Valentine’s Day, I think it’s time that we do Top Ten Harry Potter Relationships.

Andrew: Ooooo.

Ben: Yeah let’s…

Andrew: Fitting for Valentine’s Day…Show Special. [laughs]

Ben: Very fitting. So, when you’re listening to MuggleCast, snuggling up with your loved one…

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: It’s time for our Top Ten List. Number ten… some of these are very generic, some of these are very wild, you know, some of these are…

Andrew: Was this created by anyone or was this created by you?

Ben: This is created by me, so…

Andrew: Okay.

Ben: If it sucks, email me. [laughs] Number ten…Harry and Ginny. Number nine…Ron and Hermione. Now, right now, many of you are thinking, “This Top Ten List sucks” but it’s heating up here.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Number eight…Dobby and the Giant Squid.

Andrew and Ben: Oh!

Ben: [Laughs] Number seven…Trelawney and Umbridge.

[Andrew and Ben groan]

Andrew: Oh, Ben! [laughs] Took me a second to catch that one.

Ben: No…number six…Harry and Hagw…Hedwig. [laughs]

Andrew: [Laughs] Harry and Hagrid…Hedwig.

Ben: Hagrid? Harry and Hagrid, that one should have made the list too, what am I thinking?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Now, number five…Snape and McGonagall. Number four…Draco and Pansy. Number three, this is probably my favorite, Micah and Eric.

Andrew and Ben: [laugh] Oh!

Ben: Just kidding, guys, just kidding. Number two, Emerson and Melissa.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Andrew: [Whispering] Melissa, that was Ben’s idea.

Ben: Memerson for life, yo.

Andrew: [Laughs] Yeah.

Ben: Number one, perhaps my favorite…Snape and the Nimbus 2000. [laughs]

Andrew: Oooooh! [laughs] Yeah, is that a fan fiction somewhere?

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: Oh, is it really?

Ben: Yeah, there is.

Andrew: Link me to it.

Ben: That’s a link that will not be in the show notes.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Love In The Harry Potter Series

Andrew: So, there hasn’t been much that has happened on Valentine’s Day in the Harry Potter series, strangely, because Harry Potter is such a novel of romance and mystery and…

Ben: And loooove.

Andrew: Loooove. [laughs]

Laura: Oh yeah.

Eric: Yeah, the key to the series is love, everybody.

Andrew: The first thing would be Harry’s first date with Cho Chang in, as we all know, Order of the Phoenix, which was closely followed by Rita’s interview with Harry for The Quibbler. Okay, and on top of those two things, there was in Chamber of Secrets: THE Valentine.

Eric: As we all know, thanks to JK Rowling in Book 6, Harry and Ginny have a thing going on. And, in Chamber of Secrets, four years prior to it, Ginny sent Harry the Valentine with the little cupids that really, really embarrassed him. And it was the singing Valentine and Ginny sent that to him.

Andrew: If I may…

Eric: That was…

Andrew: If I may just interrupt you here for a second, Eric.

Eric: Sure.

Andrew: You said that it embarrassed Harry…I would like to quote the book. “Harry would have given all the gold in Gringotts…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: …to evaporate on the spot.” That is how much he was embarrassed.

Eric: [Laughs] Which is interesting, as well, his reaction to it. I think the two most interesting facts are that Ginny was only, what, eleven at this time, and she was, you know…and that’s the perfect, you know, little girl action to…but even that she was displaying magical talent to bewitch, you know, cupids to show up and give him a Valentine.

Laura: That wasn’t what happened, actually. Lockhart commissioned a bunch of the little…

Andrew: To send Valentines…

Laura: …cupids to come in and you could, yeah you could have them send Valentines.

Eric: Oh, wait I mixed them up so, okay then she just…But still, she was acting on her affections for Harry at a very young age and, of course, she told Riddle about it too, because that’s how he knew about Harry.

Andrew: Now maybe one of you can answer this for me, but I don’t know why there’s so much speculation as to why it might have or might not have been Ginny. Because in the book, Draco insulted the Valentine and he sent it towards Ginny…I don’t remember what he said exactly, but it was something along the lines of “looks like Harry didn’t like…”

Laura: Yeah, didn’t like your Valentine.

Andrew: Right, and then Ginny covered her face and ran off. So…

Laura: Which, I felt really sorry for her because that would have sucked.

Andrew: It was an innocent…like…

Eric: Yeah, that was bad.

Andrew: It was an innocent, I don’t even know how to put it…innocent…[in a crying voice] innocent love. I’m crying all over this episode.

Eric: Yeah, and so then, the second thing I wanted to bring up as far as that Valentine event goes is how Harry reacted to it as well. Like you said, Andrew, with your fabulous book quote, that Harry would have given “…all the gold in Gringotts to evaporate on the spot.”

Andrew: Right, that was on page 238, chapter 13, US edition.

Eric: Nice.

Laura: Thanks!

Eric: Nice specs!

Andrew: Yeah, I have it all in my head.

Eric: Nice.

Laura: I’m sure you do.

Eric: That’s pretty much Harry’s typical reaction and I think in Chamber of Secrets, Harry is very characterized as not wanting fame and you know with Lockhart around, always giving him tips on being very famous, it seems Harry is really an impenetrable character. When it comes to showing affection and he just doesn’t want to be classified as arrogant or attention-seeking.

Ben: Let’s talk about ‘shipping. What is ‘shipping? What is ‘shipping?

Laura: ‘Shipping is…

Ben: I’m like Dr. Phil. I’m like the Dr. Phil of ‘shipping.

Laura: Oh my God.

Ben: [Impersonating Dr. Phil] Well, you know what I’m going to say here. I think ‘shipping…it is very, very important to the Harry Potter series.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: ‘Shipping is very important to a lot of people in the Harry Potter series.

Ben: Mhm, and some people take it a little too seriously.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: It’s fueled by the fan fiction. It’s fueled by these crazy fans. It’s fueled by shows like us. It’s fueled by…

Ben: Guys like us.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I think it’s next to the whole plot, the in-depth plot and figuring all of that out. It’s just amazing. [laughing]

Laura: Yeah, I really don’t get it. You look at the books and they really don’t have a very heavy romance line in there but you go to MuggleNet Fan Fiction and romance is the largest category.

Ben: Right, because that what people love writing about things they can compare to, you know? And another thing is, what’s surprising is that Harry and Hermione is the most popular ‘ship. There is no denying that even though it isn’t going to happen it‘s still the most popular one that people like to write about.

Eric: We’re not talking about, I don’t think we should talk about delusional people at all.

Ben: No, we didn’t talk about delusional people.

Laura: We’re not, we’re not.

Eric: Well, you’re bringing that up, I mean. But I liked what Laura said about fan fiction and romance being the largest thing. As far as JKR not mentioning it in the books or it not taking place in that books, I think that’s also what gives them free room to write. And wherever there are characters, there will be relationships formed and I think people just have their own interpretations of what characters should be with who and they let it free roam and other people say “Hey we really like that, so let’s write about it.”

Andrew: You keep referring to people, but it’s…I think we need to be more specific. It’s these teenage girls. Their hormones are raging. Yes, you can…yeah…

Eric: Oh, come on.

Ben: It is.

Andrew: It is!

Laura: It’s true, it’s true.

Andrew: Eric, do you have an argument against this?

Ben: Andrew, I’d be…hold on, Andrew.

Andrew: What?

Ben: I’d be careful of insulting teenage girls.

Andrew: I’m not insulting!

Ben: Because they account for 72 percent of our audience, so…

Andrew: I’m not insulting. I’m just saying it’s the perfect thing for them. It’s…

Laura: The majority? Yeah.

Andrew: What interests them the most. That’s why Harry Potter, that’s probably why it’s so successful because you’ve got these teenage girls, on top of swooning over Harry, they have this huge world of ‘shipping they can get into. There’s PodCasts about ‘shipping! [laughs] It’s huge!

Laura: No, no, it really is true because if you look at…whenever I was in public school, most of the girls my age were reading romance novels. So it’s really, it’s just something that teenage girls get into. There’s nothing wrong with it, it’s just an age thing.

Andrew: Eric, did you have an argument against this?

Eric: Um, no. I think it was proper in pointing that out and I think that Harry Potter, among other things like romance novels, it’s just something for teenage girls to get into because of whatever reasons but, it’s just a shame they aren’t in real relationships. Not that it’s their fault.

[Ben laughs]

Andrew: Do you think…

Ben: So yeah, if you’re not in a real relationship, call up Eric Scull. He’ll hook you up.

Andrew: Jo has said in the past that nothing she reads online and the movies don’t affect her writings of the book or anything like that but, do you think JK Rowling takes in all this ‘shipping and puts it into her books because well, the kids like it, then might as well. Might as well if it’ll interest them more.

Dylan: I don’t think so. I think she writes what she writes.

Eric: Yeah.

Dylan: I mean, she knows exactly what she’s going to write.

Eric: Dylan’s correct.

Dylan: She can’t be persuaded by any party.

Eric: Um, Dylan’s right except where a certain emphasis lies. I think no matter what relationships had to occur in the books but JKR was very adamant about putting in hints and clues that Ron and Hermione were going to get together and not Hermione and Harry. And so she’s pointed in the direction and I think she’s responded to the ‘shipping but just making it not a little more clearer than she might have, prior of. Just like everyone pronouncing Hermione’s name Hermy-own and she has that thing in Gobelet of Fire where she made Viktor pronounce it right so we all knew. It’s just JKR’s way of kind of responding to us subtly, but I mean as Dylan said, I think she does know who’s going to get together. It’s just a matter of, I think she might not have pointed it out as much as she did if the fans hadn’t been ‘shipping other things.

Dylan: Well she…she wants to write the books how she wants to write them because I think we have that figured out. It sort of started out like a kids’ book and then by the sixth book, we know it’s not a kids’ book at all.

Andrew: Right. She doesn’t have to turn it into a whole plot. If she throws one sentence in there saying, “Snape and McGonagall looked at each other in a funny way,” it’s going to start up a whole new frenzy.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: These people are intense about this kind of stuff.

Micah: I think it was a way of her humanizing the series a little bit, too. I mean, you know what I mean?

Andrew: It’s…yeah.

Micah: So people can relate to it.

Laura: I also think that in comparison to the first five books, Book 6 really seems it has this huge romance line it but really, when you look at it on its own as just its own book, it’s really not a lot when you compare it to other books you might be reading that have huge romance lines. So, I really don’t think she’s just doing it because a lot of people seem to like it, I think she’s just doing it because it’s part of growing up. I mean, how weird would it be if Harry had gone six books without kissing anyone?

Eric: I agree with Laura also that it needed to take place. It would have been really weird. So yeah, Book 6 was the point where JKR had to establish that before it was way too late.

Ben: I know but the thing that got to me was when I read the part where Harry, like, first kisses Ginny. It felt like straight out of a fan fiction story. I don’t know.

Laura: It was definitely…

Eric: There’s nothing wrong with that.

Laura: No, there’s nothing wrong with it. It was definitely a little…I would say overdone, but not bad, just not what I was quite expecting.

Eric: When I read Half-Blood Prince, I read it twice in about a week, once was in 24 hours and the second time I took my time, but, um, I thought at first that the book was all about snogging and I was so tired and everybody I was talking to was all, “Oh man, I couldn’t get enough of that snogging,” and it was just snog, snog, snog this, snog that. And I read it again and the second time through, it really didn’t seem that big at all. I was, like, shocked. I was, like, “Wait a minute, where is all this snogging?” And it was funny because when I was first reading it, I was like, “Oh my God, this is so much more romance,” but at the same time, the second time around, it didn’t seem like any. And it seemed very, very minor, in fact. So, it’s interesting to find out how much romance is actually in that book.

Andrew: Well, Ben brought up a good point that it sounded like it came straight out of a fan fiction, so is she being influenced? I mean, I hate to say that but she says that she looks at the sites…

Laura: I don’t think so.

Andrew: And reads all the crazy stuff that’s going on.

Eric: I think that it’s less influence and more the fact that it did go six books without waiting. I think it just seemed more like a fan fiction and more outward because she had waited so long and, you know, anything Harry and Cho did in Book 5 still wasn’t adequate enough to set the whole stage for romance in the book. I just think it was just JKR’s way of…I think it’s just the way the book came out and it may have seemed like a fan fiction because we weren’t used to it but, I mean, that’s only because we just hadn’t had any of it.

Laura: Also because there are so many Harry Potter fans that it was extremely unlikely that Jo was going to come up with a situation for Harry and Ginny that hadn’t already been written in a fan fiction.

Eric: Well, I think if anything, the fact that book 6 seemed like fan fiction just says that we have some pretty good fan fiction writers out there.

Micah: Yeah, I think she felt that she had to add certain human elements, certain everyday elements of life to the book and to the series. And, you know, the whole romance angle is just one of them.

Eric: Yeah, and to say that the fanfiction writers couldn’t capture some of that angle would be a little bit of an insult, a little bit of a low blow. I think some of them have and some of them have created work that is sometimes adequate and worthy of Harry Potter.

Andrew: What about Book 7? I think it would be a great idea for Jo to throw in a lot of those little lines that would stir up some controversy just to…because Book 7’s the last book…

Laura: [Laughs] Just to leave it.

Ben: Yeah, just to leave it completely open and it’s going to keep the interest in the series going for a while.

Laura: See now, that would be really cool except for the fact that…

Ben: What are we talking about here?

[Ben and Laura laugh]

Laura: …there will be some weird fan fictions coming in after Book 7.

Eric: Oh my God…

Andrew: Jo, we need something to talk about. Please leave stuff open.

Eric: Oh my gosh.

[Laura laughs]

Main Discussion: Professor Umbridge

Andrew: We’re going to lose listeners and we’re going to have to live on the streets again. Please! Okay, so on top of the romance this week, we have to get into our character discussion because without it, MuggleCast is simply just not complete. So, this week, we will be talking about, of all people, Professor…former Professor…Umbridge.

Micah: But you know what, Andrew?

Eric: Dolores.

Andrew: What’s that Micah?

Micah: Nothing says Valentine’s Day like Professor Umbridge.

[Andrew makes drum noise and everyone laughs]

Eric: Well, no, Micah’s right. I mean, you know?

Andrew: [Laughs] What are you talking about?

Eric: Well, you told me that the character discussion was, like Umbridge and I was like, “What the hell?”

Andrew: Irony.

Ben: Oh, the irony.

Eric: But it’s so not…Micah’s right. Nothing says Valentine’s Day like Umbridge.

Ben: Dolores Umbridge. Umbridge was appointed to the position of Defense Against the Dark Arts at the beginning of the 1995-1996 school year, we don’t agree with that, but she does not seem to possess any talent for the subject. She was, however, both willing and able to commit at least one of the three Unforgivable Curses, the Cruciatus Curse. Part of her abilities are limited to negotiating circumstances in her favor and a penchant for cruelty, almost as depraved as the Death Eaters themselves…is that of the Death Eaters themselves. She’s short and fat. She’s toad-like. She has short fingers. She has a really annoying voice. She oftentimes gave Harry detention where she had this special quill where it would engrave it into his arm too…or a little spot on his hand, whatever he was writing. She used to be the Senior Undersecretary to the Minister of Magic and nothing’s really known about her early career. And just, we know that she was thrown in there because they needed another Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. And like every other Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, she didn’t last.

Andrew: And the one thing that we all absolutely hate about her the most is that she issued all those Educational Decrees that drove us insane.

Ben: Yeah.

Laura: Oh my god!

Andrew: As I read that book, I would pound my fist against tables. I could not stand it. It drove me nuts.

Ben: Is that why there were all those holes in your walls, Andrew?

Andrew: Yes, yes, yes.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Oh, wait, those holes? Those other holes? No.

Eric: All throughout Book 5, it was really just a question of: What will she think of next? And, you know, she was the absolute dictator, where it’s just like, what she’s tried to do goes and nobody supported her and it was great. The whole thing where Professor McGonagall openly opposed her and said to her, “I wasn’t sure that I had the authority to clean up that mess.” Or I think that was Flitwick or somebody. It was just so great because she was there at Hogwarts, nobody wanted her there, Dumbledore let her there because he couldn’t conflict with Fudge at that moment, and she was ruining everybody’s lives and she got no respect and I really…she really didn’t deserve any. So it was like, she knew she wasn’t welcome there, but she still made everyone’s life a hell anyway. And it was just the character that…it’s the only character that I actually just punched my pillow repeatedly after reading a line, or you know, from the book. She made me feel so…she’s the only character that…Lord Voldemort I love reading about but Umbridge, no.

Umbridge A Slytherin?

Andrew: So some of the questions, we have a series of questions, but one question that comes to mind is what house would she have been in? Not Gryffindor, I don’t think.

Laura: No.

Ben: Slytherin, duh.

Dylan: Slytherin.

Andrew: I don’t think she fits the Slytherin personality.

Eric: I think she does. She’s overly concerned about herself and her own personal morals. I think it’s one thing to be there stationed under the Ministry, but she actually took matters into her own hands beyond what even the Ministry would try to control Hogwarts as. And, if you think about it in the long run, she also sent the Dementors to Privet Drive, which is complete defiance of the Ministry. And if anything, it complicated a lot of things for the Ministry and for Harry and that was all because she, personally, wanted to.

Ben: I don’t know if it’s possible to determine whether she’s really a Gryffindor, whether she’s a…whatever she is.

Eric: She’s not brave.

Ben: Because, whoa, whoa, because here’s what happens, here’s what we do when we talk about sorting people into the Houses: the people we don’t like, they go into Slytherin, the people we do like go into Gryffindor, the people that are lamers, they don’t talk to anybody, they go into Hufflepuff, and the people that are smart go into Ravenclaw.

Eric: But what’s wrong with that? You know, I’m saying…

Ben: I don’t think that’s necessarly a true, accurate representation.

Eric: No, because I think it is.

Laura: Well, I would agree with you if it weren’t for the fact that she did something to endanger Harry’s life…

Andrew: Yeah.

Micah: But so did Pettigrew, and Pettigrew was in Gryffindor.

Laura: …by sending the Dementors to Privet Drive, yeah.

Eric: And defied her own law, you know, to do that.

Laura: And it’s…I think there’s definitely…I think what a lot of people don’t consider is that it’s not just good traits that get you put into Houses. It’s bad traits as well and Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, and Ravenclaw have them just as much as Slytherin does. Slytherin just happens to have gained a reputation for having bad traits.

Eric: Yeah. Well, we said that last week as well.

Ben: It all depends on the person because Dumbledore said that it’s our choices that make us who we are.

Eric: But I really, honestly believe that Umbridge would be in Slytherin because even though she’s supposed to be buddy-buddy with Fudge, she went and sent the Dementors after Harry to Privet Drive just because she wanted him…

Laura: Also, notice which students she buddied up with.

Eric: Yeah, exactly. The Slytherins were her Inquisitorial Squad. And first of all…no, she wouldn’t be in Gryffindor because she’s not brave at all. No, she needs to have a squad of little Dracos running around.

Ben: Okay, okay, okay. No, no. The flaw here is that…you fail to realize sometimes we wonder, “How did this person make it into this House?” And it’s because the Sorting Hat is the only person that can read their mind, so to speak, and tell who they truly are. Just because she gives out the appearance of being a big dictator and all these terrible things doesn’t mean that she would be put in Slytherin.

Eric: So, wait, are you trying to say that she’s actually a good person and that her whole Inquisitorial Squad and everybody she gets to wreak havoc on the school and write people up, good people including prefects and other things and get them into trouble, you’re saying that she’s actually not a Slytherin or not…

Ben: I don’t think I ever said any…I don’t think I ever said anything about her being good. I just said that her outward appearance doesn’t reflect how she truly is.

Eric: So you’re saying she’s not a Slytherin type of person or she’s not…

Ben: I’m not saying that she isn’t, I’m just saying that could be the case because, like, looks can be deceiving, that’s what I’m saying. And that we’ve seen that some people wonder, “Well how is Pettigrew in Gryffindor?”

Micah: Right, exactly.

Ben: Or if he was in Gryffindor, I’m not sure.

Micah: He was. We went through that this week with Pettigrew being in Gryffindor.

Ben: Yeah, then how is Pettigrew in Gryffindor if he’s so, you know, he’s working for Voldemort. How can a Gryffindor be working for Voldemort? That’s what I’m saying, Eric.

Laura: No…

Ben: That’s what I’m saying here.

Eric: Yeah, I think you’re right in pointing that out. I think, the case of Umbridge clearly…yeah, even though she is an evil-doer, I think, at the same time, she’s clearly had issues beyond that. Like, she seems to be a smart person as far as she knows what she can and can’t do. And, you know, the whole reason behind her, you know, Educational Decrees, was that she knew she could do that. So, why then would she actually go and send Dementors to Privet Drive? Do we know why she did that? I mean, clearly she was upset or, you know, she really is…

Ben: But, there’s so many other things you have to take into account. For all we know, she could be under the Imperius Curse. See that’s the thing…we don’t know who’s acted on their own will and who isn’t. And whether that’s truly how she is…

Laura: That’s very true.

Andrew: Well, what makes her…

Micah: Maybe she felt it was the right thing to do.

Truly Evil Or Simply Misunderstood?

Andrew: What makes her act this way? I mean, why is she like this? Could it have been early childhood, or could it have been, what I feel is probably the Ministry of Magic influencing her…telling her all this has to be done or she’s fired…

Ben: It’s a combination of those things.

Andrew: …or something like that.

Laura: Yeah, well.

Ben: Because, look who’s…

Laura: The Ministry is terribly corrupt.

Eric: Yeah.

Ben: Look who’s cutting her paycheck. It’s all about the galleons, baby.

Andrew: [Laughs] Yeah! [Still laughing]

Ben: You don’t have galleons…you’re not worth much.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Just replaced his own name…instead of saying “the Benjamins” he’s saying “the galleons.”

Andrew: Well, I mean, I really think that’s true. If Fudge or whoever is threatening to fire her, then what is she to do?

Eric: No, I understand that…

Andrew: You have to take control back of the school or you’re out. And that’s it. So, and if she really is close to her job and is really passionate about it, then…God bless her.

Eric: I understand her desperation…

Laura: Well, I also…

Eric: …but, she’s not…I mean, do you really think that Fudge told her he’d fire her if she didn’t make Harry cut into his own hand? I mean, the thing with Umbridge is that that was her preferred punishment of choice.

Ben: No, those are just side things, dude. Things that she…that…

Eric: That was her punishment of choice for Harry…is the most…

Laura: I think she’s just power-hungry.

Eric: The most heinous thing of…ever…is to dig into your own hand, and again and again and again. And she outright denied any claim that Harry made, that Quirrell was a good person and a good teacher and that, you know, she openly insulted and took pleasure in knowing…I think that’s what everybody’s forgetting because it’s all been a while since we’ve read Book 5…but she took pleasure in…

Andrew: I read it last night.

Eric: …in Harry…oh, you did, Andrew? Very nice. She took…

Laura: Yeah, I read mine a lot too, but that’s okay.

Eric: I’m sorry. Well, she took…she had so much pride in proving Harry wrong and making Harry suffer because he knew the truth and she was ignorant to it.

Andrew: But would she have done that to anyone else but Harry? I think she did it to avoid heat at the Ministry…

Laura: She did it to Lee Jordan…she did it to him.

Andrew: Oh, really?

Ben: Yeah, but it wasn’t the same…

Laura: Yeah, basically…

Ben: It wasn’t the same extent though, where we see, every night…

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: …every night Harry had detention, and he had to go home after he had to…

Laura: Not every night…

Ben: …dig into his hand. Well, it was a lot.

Laura: However, I think that Umbridge is the type of person who is so power-hungry and is just so…she just needs to show that she’s superior to everyone else by forcing people to do things that they don’t want to do by taking power over things. And, the first person who disagrees with her, they’re screwed.

Eric: And…

Ben: Watch out!

Eric: And screwed to a point where everybody else is afraid to speak up. I mean, I really liked…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: …the very few people like Lee Jordan who stood up to Umbridge after they saw what had happened to Harry, perhaps, or even in the midst, where they understood that she was not going to tolerate their upheaval, they still did it anyway. And…

Ben: It’s…what’s the word I’m looking for? It’s totalitarianism, right? That’s what it is…

Eric: Well, it is. But also, I got the distinct impression, especially in the scene where Harry flips out on Umbridge the first time in class and says about how Lupin was a great teacher and about how Voldemort was growing out of the back of Quirrell’s head, you know, all that stuff…I got the distinct impression that she knew…that she was a person who actually was smart enough to understand where Harry was coming from and…

Laura: Of course she knew.

Eric: No, she knew!

Laura: That’s why she didn’t want him to say anything…

Eric: She knew the…

Laura: …because it threatened her position.

Eric: It did, but at the same time, she knew that Harry was right, and she openly denied him and punished him for telling the truth to everybody else because she was…

Laura: Yes, because it…

Dylan: Taking control of something, you know.

Laura: Yeah, basically just undermined anything the Ministry might tell the public if Harry was right, so of course she did….

Eric: Exactly. But, it was such…she did it with such pleasure I really don’t think she’s in a hard enough situation where she can be that mean just because she has to be, I think she wanted to be. And I think that’s what would probably make her…

Laura: Oh, I think she did too. I think she wanted to be. And I think that, assuming the common house stereotypes… considering those…she would probably be put in Slytherin but, obviously, we don’t know her true circumstances…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: …as a child. Nor do we know terribly much about…in depth, I should say…about what the Sorting Hat does and does not accept for certain houses.

Micah: But for all the ruthless things that she’s done as a teacher, I would say that she’s probably one of the most influential characters in the series just because, without her, Dumbledore’s Army would never have started.

Eric: That’s true. That is very true.

Laura: Oh, I agree. Book 5 wouldn’t have been half as interesting if it weren’t for her.

Ben: Because, what’s been happening…because what has been happening in the series, is that each year, they get an inadequate or an incompetent Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher and finally they realize, they’ve had enough and they say, well, let’s teach real Defense Against the Dark Arts. So, they start the Dueling Club…

Eric: No, they didn’t realize that but they…

Ben: …or whatever they call it. No, no. Not the dueling club…

Andrew: Dumbledore’s Army.

Ben: I meant, the Defense Association. Not the dueling club.

Andrew: [Laughs] They don’t have MuggleCast in Hogwarts.

Ben: They should.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: As much as we wish they did…

Eric: But know, they…I don’t even think that was…that they realize that their previous teachers had been incompetent because I don’t think they’d admit to that even if it were…I mean, I think they admitted Lockhart was not, but at the same time, I just think they weren’t going to learn actual defense under Umbridge and I think that’s what made them do the Defense Association, or Dumbledore’s Army, because they knew, you know…

Laura: Well…

Eric: …Dolores Umbridge was the kind of person who read from books and they seriously did not learn any actual, you know, spells in defense. It was all practical with the books and stuff so they really needed to take action and actually learn stuff because it was the time in the year where they just had to seriously learn to defend themselves.

Laura: And I don’t think it was just the education, I think it was the oppression that made them want to revolt against her. I mean…

Eric: I agree. It was…yeah.

Laura: You see that everyday in school. You have teachers who are unfair, or are seemingly unfair, and then the whole class just has this vendetta against that teacher, so…

Andrew: Can I tell you guys a secret? I didn’t make this connection earlier…I have this new study hall teacher…I won’t say her name in case she listens…but, she’s laying down the rules, you know, first class. She goes over, you know, “Okay, no talking, no iPods,” and then she says, “So basically, no fun.”

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: What are you?

Eric: Now that’s way too…

Laura: And she won’t know if she hears this…that you were talking about her…

Eric: That’s a bigger person…come on, “no fun”? Even…no, even if that’s true…

Dylan: No great story has a lukewarm bad guy. I mean, come on, every great story, like Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter has got that Voldemort or that Sauron or whatever you want to do. But, every great story has to have a great bad guy.

Laura: Exactly, exactly. I completely agree with that. While I would hate Umbridge as a person, I love her as a character because she just brought so much interest to the book.

Eric: Agreed.

Micah: But is she, like, the first bad person that’s not necessarily a Death Eater that we meet?

Laura: No, she’s not, but she’s…I’m trying to think of a word to describe her…

Eric: I don’t…yeah.

Laura: …that isn’t a swear word. [laughs]

Andrew: She’s Andrew’s study hall teacher.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: No, Andrew…

[Everyone still laughing]

Eric: You’re completely right, Andrew. And, you know, to say “no fun,” even if it’s true…even if the rules do constrict fun, their view would be that it constricts misbehaving. But for her to go out and summarize the rules…the rules don’t say “no fun,” even if by abiding by all the laws, there is no fun. Just the kind of person who would say [in a sinister, high-pitched voice] “in other words, no fun” is just a mean person. And there’s…

Andrew: By the way, I forgot to mention that the whole “me doing the MuggleCast thing” is all over my school website, so…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: [Still laughing] Bad publicity.

Ben: Okay guys, so what about Umbridge…the toad imagery that Jo uses? Could it be because she is…she’s able to transform into a toad, or maybe that’s her Animagus or…?

Laura: I don’t think so.

Ben: What’s up with the toad imagery?

Laura: Because you see…

Andrew: Honestly, she looks a lot like one, I mean…

Laura: Yeah, but you see a lot of correlations between people and animals in this series. Like Scrimgeour, she described that he was sort of like a lion.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: And you have…

Eric: And Slughorn like a walrus.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: That threw everyone off…with the Half-Blood Prince thing…

Laura: Yeah. It’s just an association, I think.

“Crazy” Umbridge Theories

Micah: You guys want to know a crazy editorial that I read? It said that…

Eric: Yeah, sure.

Laura: Sure.

Micah: Umbridge was actually Trevor.

Laura: Oh, I’ve heard that one. [laughs]

Eric: Guys, actually…

Andrew: [Laughs] Oh yeah.

Eric: I have something to add that might throw you all skyrocketing sideways. I read something on one of the forums in the past that actually speculated Umbridge…drum-roll please…[someone does sound of a drum-roll] Somebody said that the way Umbridge and, believe it or not, Peter Pettigrew were described, was similar in the way that she might be his mother.

Andrew and Laura: [Laugh] Ewwww.

Eric: Do you think?

Ben: Well, if you think about it…

Eric: Maybe, no, we’re talking about this. Maybe that is why she is out to get Harry and, if you think about it, it would mean that Umbridge was actually mentioned in the past, which is JKR’s style. Because, in Book 3 when they talk about Peter Pettigrew, all his mother got back was his finger, which was obviously the plot element because, you know, he was missing his toe as Scabbers. But, what do you guys think? Could that be a possible reason for why Umbridge is so mean to Harry?

Ben: Well we know, okay, if that’s the case…

Eric: And why she’s so bitter? And personal about…

Ben: Hypothetically, theoretically speaking, if that is the case…

Andrew: We already…

Ben: Say that Umbridge is Pettigrew’s mother, then there’s no way that she’s in Lord Voldemort’s circle, because she’d have to know, she’d have to be under the assumption that Peter’s dead, right?

Eric: Okay.

Ben: So, what I’m saying is that, I don’t know if that’s true or not. [laughs]

Eric: But I don’t think…

Laura: I just don’t think so. I don’t…I can’t think of anything to disprove it…

Andrew: It’s just another one of those crazy theories.

Laura: …but, I just don’t see it happening.

Dylan: I don’t think she’s old enough to be. I really don’t think she’s old enough to be.

Andrew: Well there’s solid evidence at the same time.

Ben: The wizarding world age is kind of relative…you…isn’t…you don’t really know.

Andrew: Now Micah, what question you had on your mind? Or was it Kim Parker’s mind?

Micah: That was Kim Parker’s mind. [laughs]

Umbridge and Hermione

Andrew: [Laughs] Yeah, okay. What question did Kim Parker have on her mind? Was…is there a parallel between Umbridge and Hermione? Can you elaborate that…on that a bit little more?

Micah: The question is…

Andrew: Micah?

Micah: Yeah, the question is basically would Hermione have become like Umbridge if it wasn’t for Ron and Harry sort of coming in and befriending her the way that they did?

Laura: No, I don’t think so. Because Umbridge is very clearly filled with malice and I don’t see Hermione as a malicious person. Now, Hermione was kind of militant in Sorcerer’s Stone, even a little bit in Chamber of Secrets

Ben: She was an innocent little Gryffindor, is all she was.

Laura: Yeah, and the thing is, but the thing…she doesn’t, she’s not out to get people…Umbridge is.

Micah: Well, I think it was moreso along the lines of following the rules and being strict to those sorts of things.

Ben: And the thing is, that you guys will realize, is that Umbridge wasn’t always …hasn’t always been that way, just like Lord Voldemort hasn’t always been the way he is. I mean, at one time, he was a kid…

Eric: Wait, no. Voldemort was always the way he was and I think that..he was…

Laura: Ummm…

Eric: He was. No, he was. No.

Laura: He strangled bunny rabbits. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, in Half-Blood Prince, we see a lot of…background.

Eric: Yeah, I think…No, that’s the point with Voldemort which actually…

Ben: No, no, no. No, but what I’m saying is that he’s living a lot differently now. You know, I’m just trying to point that things have changed. He used to have a real body, now he’s this mass…this blob of flesh.

Eric: What disappoints me with Voldemort, since Ben brought it up, was that JKR kind of made a point that he was always evil, even as a kid. And genuinely evil, like to torture kids and that…and you know, she truly believes, at least in the series, it says that people can be evil from birth and just be rotten eggs to begin with because, even…I mean, it’s really sad, but Voldemort was characterized as the kind of kid who said, “Well, my dad must have been the one with magic because my mom would have been not so weak and, you know, she was weak and died.” And, even though he’s got this, even though I feel very bad for Merope gone, Voldemort was not the kind of person who was…I mean, he was raised in an orphanage and yeah, and that sucks, but he seemed to be very genuinely evil from birth and I think that’s a little off, from what I’d imagined for how most dictators are just created.

Ben: Not necessarily…

Dylan: Well, it’s a mixture of both, I think.

Ben: Dictators are sort of found…

Laura: I think it can go either way.

Ben: …like, there has to be a reason. For example, Hitler, the reason that he came to power was because all the Jews were getting blamed for everything and he found a rallying cry. And the ironic thing was that he was…there’s a lot of similarities between Hitler and Voldemort. Hitler was…is half-Jewish actually…his grandfather was…

Dylan: I think dictators come from a mixture of being cruel from birth, I mean, if they do such terrible things, then of course they have to have a cruel background, but it’s also fueled by some sort of inspiration, like Eric was saying.

Eric: I mean, in a way it makes sense that, you know, Voldemort got no love and, you know, he’s been raised in an orphanage where nobody could love him, but at the same time, he’s not a lovable kid and he never was, if he was taking kids into, you know, caves and scaring them and Dumbledore saw it, you know, Dumbledore should have known right then and there and I think he actually did that…it just wasn’t…he’s the kind of kid who was proud that he could talk to snakes and send them and make them so what he wanted to and all that stuff. So, do you think Umbridge is the same way? Do you think, you know, going back to Umbridge, that she, as a dictator, was…is power-hungry by birth or is she power-hungry because she really thinks she needs the power?

Ben: It’s innate, man.

Eric: The authority?

Ben: It just sort of happens. It’s a personality trait that she developed.

Micah: Yeah, I mean…

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: Or is it just that she thinks that she’s doing the right thing? I mean, that could be it too.

Eric: No, but she knows she’s not. That’s the thing. She knows that…

Laura: She’s thinking about doing the right thing for herself…

Micah: Right.

Eric: Yeah and…

Laura: …to benefit her.

Micah: And for the Ministry, in her mind.

Eric: But I, no. I think as far as the Ministry goes, she knows that, yeah, she’s supporting the Ministry because she knows that Lupin was a good teacher, and she knows that everything Harry stood for is probably correct, but she still goes with the Ministry.

Laura: She’s forgetting that the Ministry is around to serve the people of the wizarding world and not the people in power.

Eric: I like that. But, is the Ministry serving the people? It’s really not.

Laura: No, they’re not.

Eric: They aren’t, there’s…

Laura: No, they’re not! And she’s forgetting that that’s what she’s supposed to be doing.

Ben: Okay, then what will Unbridge- Umbridge’s role be in Book 7? If any.

Andrew: Well, we didn’t see her much in Book 6, so…

Eric: That surprised me. With all the roles of the Ministry, including Scrimgeour and how he was undermining Harry and wanting him to be his supporter, I thought that Umbridge was too missing. Like, too missing. She needed to be there. If you think of the Ministry post-Book 5, you’re supposed to think of Umbridge and Fudge, and all the new characters in 6. But with all the people we met in six and how they were trying to change people and arrest the innocent and all that stuff, I am very shocked that Umbridge was not mentioned.

Andrew: As much as I hated her, I liked her. [laughs]

Laura: I was looking for her. Yeah, I was looking for her in Book 6…

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: …so I’m a little nervous about what she was up to.

Eric: But she was there too!

Laura: Yeah, she was there.

Andrew: So…

Eric: She almost…she didn’t deserve to be there. She was- that was a mockery. That was…

Ben: The thing is…no, no, she served her purpose. The reason she was there is that she was still working for the Ministry. I don’t know how that worked out, but…

Laura: Yeah. She was trying to make the Ministry look good.

Micah: But if she served her purpose, shouldn’t she be dead according to all of us?

Ben: According to the other bozos, it’s not according to me. I don’t think “Oh, they serve their purpose and then they die, everyone dies.”

Andrew: [laughs] No, I disagreed with that, too.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Not everyone who doesn’t serve a purpose dies.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

Laura: No.

Andrew: But we don’t need to go there.

Ben: There’s Eric’s philosophy.

Andrew: Well the point is…

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: …I think we’re all on the same page with that.

When Centaurs Attack

Micah: So, at the end of Book 5, what do you guys think happened to her when the centaurs took her into the forest?

Eric: I’m surprised she survived! Maybe that’s where she was in Book 6. She was in the Recovery Ward at St. Mungo’s for the whole year. Because I honestly don’t think- I mean the centaurs, at certain points in the book, were ready to kill Harry.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And a lot of the creatures in the forest were ready to kill Harry. And even though the centaurs knew what was supposed to happen to him, and they still would have done it – maybe that’s what was supposed to happen to him. But besides that, the centaurs won’t stop to kill humans and they won’t bow to humans. And they’ve said that. And even though I was very happy that they paid tribute to Dumbledore at his funeral and stuff, but they really don’t take crap from humans trying to treat them as animals. And so, I thought Umbridge was going to die, actually, when that happened. And I’m really surprised she got out alive.

Micah: And it… [laughs] It was Dumbledore that saved her, too.

Eric: Yeah, it was Dumbledore. I was just going to ask if- yeah. Dumbledore would probably be the only one that could- that could save her. And I thought it was very noble of Dumbledore… but I was just going to ask if anyone saved her?

Micah: Maybe that’s why she was at the funeral.

Eric: You know what, I agree with that.

Micah: To show her respect.

Eric: I agree with that, because Dumbledore had no reason to, you know, morally, he didn’t really have to.

Laura: Looking at Umbridge’s character, I think it was just to keep up face for the Ministry.

Andrew: Alright, so that wraps up our Umbridge discussion for this week. Good job, gentlemen. And Laura.

Laura: Yeah, thank you!

Dueling Club

Andrew: So now it’s time for this week’s Dueling Club: Dueling Club version two. We’re now… we pick randomly. You don’t know who the other person is going to duel against you. We’ve gotten emails about last weeks’. People really seemed to like it. So, Eric, you had one?

Eric: I’ve got one.

Laura: I’ve got one.

Andrew: Okay, on three. One, two, three.

Laura: Cornelius Fudge.

Eric: [At the same time as Laura] Romilda Vane.

Andrew: Who did you say, Eric?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: Romilda Vane.

Andrew: Ooo!

Eric: And Cornelius Fudge.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Maybe she can fall in love with him and give him love potion and…

Laura: Yeah! Hey, that’s…

Micah: Take him to the forest.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: Maybe they can just live happily together. Do you think they’d fight? Or would she… I don’t know, he’s an older man. What do we know about Romilda and…

Laura: Yeah, he’s a fully trained wizard, and Romilda was what, a fourth year… I want to say?

Eric: Something. And she was all into the whole Ronald being an older gentlemen, so…

Laura: Yeah. And she seems kind of…

Eric: We’re, like, supposed to be defending them fighting and we’re like, “Maybe they won’t fight! Maybe they’ll love!”

Laura: [Laughs] I know!

Eric: Maybe they’ll make love one day! Well, no. In a fight, who would… [laughs]

Laura: Eugh!

Eric: Who would win?

Laura: Ew.

Eric: Fudge is incompetent. Would anybody take down Fudge? Could a student take down Fudge? Or could Fudge actually hold his own in a fight?

Laura: I’m sure there are some students who could take down Fudge.

Andrew: So, Dylan, think of someone else and then… alright. Okay, then Micah. Ready?

Micah: Alright.

Andrew: One, two, three.

Dylan: Peter Pettigrew.

Micah: [At the same time as Dylan] Slughorn.

Eric: Slughorn and Pettigrew. Very nice.

Laura: Hmm. That’s interesting.

Dylan: I think Pettigrew would win. Just because Slughorn’s good at making potions. I don’t know, we haven’t seen his hand with a wand.

Eric: Slughorn is like a little bit… it amazes me how close to Hagrid Slughorn is sometimes, as far as… especially when he’s drunk, and you know, they’re drunk and singing together. I don’t know, I’ve always made- he seems like a jolly fellow that like being accepted by people. But Pettigrew really likes being accepted by people too.

Micah: Well he also knows a lot of powerful people, so I’m assuming he learned a lot from them along the way. And he knows about Horcruxes too.

Eric: Yeah.

Micah: Not that that would be useful in a duel, but…

Eric: But he is one of the more powerful…

Dylan: Unless he’s like, you know, very bad at dueling. [laughs]

Eric: He could throw, like, some potion in Peter’s eyes and turn him into something.

Dylan: I don’t know, Peter would probably run from a fight though. He’d be like, [imitates Peter Pettigrew] ” Ohh! Master! Save me!”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Well, if the Dueling Club stipulations say that a character can run away, then yeah, Pettigrew would win.

Dylan: Well, I guess he could crush him with his silver hand or something like that.

Micah: I think he’d just sit on Pettigrew, and that would be the end of it.

Dylan: I don’t know, I don’t know. It would be a close battle because Peter Pettigrew would probably do some sort of flash and then run. [laughs]

Micah: He’d turn into a rat and then Slughorn would chase him down and eat him.

Dylan: Oh yes. Right. [imitates Slughorn] “I make a good rat stew, m’boy.”

[Dylan, Micah, and Eric laugh]

Eric: Well rat stew makes good… good magical properties there.

Andrew: Okay, Eric and Laura. On the count of three. One, two…

Laura: Grindelwald.

Eric: [At the same time as Laura] Eric.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, Eric…

Eric: No, no, not myself! Andrew, not myself! There is an Eric…

Andrew: Oh!

Eric: …in the Harry Potter series!

Andrew: Oh! Well why do you think he would win?

Eric: There actually is! Do you guys… do you… did you… did you pick this up?

Laura: I think Grindelwald would take Eric, whether it be MuggleCast Eric or Harry Potter Eric.

Eric: Ohhh, ohh, that’s low. Come on.

Laura: No, NO! Grindelwald would kill me too! [laughs]

Eric: Do you know the Eric I’m talking about? Did any of you guys, did you pick this up? Do you remember an Eric in the book?

Laura: It seems like there was someone called, like, Eric Abercrombie or something like that in the books. I can’t remember.

Eric: I think Eric was the name of the guy in Order of the Phoenix who worked in the Ministry. He was, like, a doorman, or something. It was like an incredibly insignificant job, and he’s probably not established well enough in the books for me to argue with him. But I thought it was cool. And I thought I’d show some Eric love, since it is Valentine’s day.

Laura: Well, there is a Laura in the book too, so… [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Laura: [Laughs] I mean, there are lots of different names in there…

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Laura: …that I recognize, but…

Eric: I know, but I just thought it was cool. She didn’t even, like, I don’t even think she gave him a last name. It’s just really awesome, because, you know, he’s named Eric, and I was like…

Andrew: Eric was like, [imitates Eric] “She named him after me! Ahahaha!”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Laura, Laura, we have to duel these guys! And actually, I think Eric would win. Do you know why?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Why?

Eric: Because Grindelwald’s already dead!

Andrew: Ohh. [laughs]

Laura: Ugh. I mean alive Grindelwald.

Eric: [Laughs] You didn’t say that! You said Grindelwald.

Laura: Well…

Eric: And I think in his current state, I think in his current state…

[Laura sighs]

Eric: …if we do know that he’s dead, I think in his current state…

Laura: Well…

Eric: …I think that Eric would win.

Laura: …do we know that he’s dead, though?

Eric: No, we…

Laura: All it said was that Dumbledore defeated him.

Eric: Defeated him. It does not say dead. But at the same time, he’s not offending anybody that we know, so I think it might be safe to say that Eric might actually have it over him! Maybe.

Laura: Okay. [laughs]

Andrew: [Laughs] Just like Barty Crouch, Jr. is a good guy! It’s…

Eric: You expect me to rebuttal, but I’m completely impervious to your Barty Crouch, Jr. stuff.

Andrew: I don’t know what to do with you, Dylan. I mean [laughs] Eric.

[Laura laughs]

Dylan: Barty Crouch has got that, the…

Andrew: Anything else you

Dylan: Barty Crouch has that cute little tongue lick. I mean, come on.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: [Laughs] What?

Laura: That thing where he’s… yeah.

[Dylan makes slurping noises]

Eric: That was so weird. That was so wrong.

Laura: That was really weird.

Eric: That was a strict movie-ism, that was a Newell-ism, rather. They needed that for plot device stuff so that would make sense because so they didn’t have to…

Micah: What you guys didn’t know was that he was looking at Umbridge.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Eww.

Laura: Eugh!

Dylan: That is awesome.

Andrew: Okay, well…

Laura: Eugh.

Show Close

Andrew [Show Close with music in background]: Okay, well I think that does just about wrap it up for this week’s edition of MuggleCast. I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: I am Ben Schoen. Yellowcard Lights and Sounds, out in stores now!

Eric: I’m Eric Scull, particularly fond of a group called the Electric Lights Orchestra.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson, a fan of Green Day, and I think that Yellowcard sucks.

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Dylan: And I’m Dylan Spartz.

Andrew: [Laughs] Dylan, thanks for joining us this week.

Dylan: Oh, my pleasure, Andrew!

Andrew: We’ll have you on the show again soon, and we’ll see everyone again next week for Episode 28.


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Andrew: Okay, now for the main discussion this week: as most of you know, unless you’re living under a rock and/or you’re extremely anti-social, Tuesday is Valentine’s Day. So it would be only right… [laughs] it would only be right if we discussed a little bit of Valentine’s Day in the Harry Potter series.

Ben: Hey, hey, hold on a sec. What did [name blanked out] get you?

Andrew: [Laughs] Oh, Ben, come on!

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: No! No, no. [laughs] No, you’re taking that out. You’re taking that out. I will kill you- I swear to god.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: Who’s editing this week? Andrew?

Andrew: Yes.

Ben: Yeah.

Laura: Okay, if you don’t take that out, I am coming to New Jersey and I will castrate you. I swear to god.

Andrew: For everyone who doesn’t know, [name blanked out] is Laura’s 38… 30 year old from Canada.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So anyway…

Laura: Take it out! Take it out! No!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I’m going to, Laura.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: [Imitating Laura] “No, take it off!”

Laura: Shut up, Eric.

Andrew: Okay, Melissa. Geez.

Ben: Eric, Eric. That was pretty funny.

Andrew: [Laughs] That did sound like Laura.

Dylan: Getting a little too friendly with Canada.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: I hate you. [laughs]

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Okay, well…


Micah: What do you guys think happened in the forest when she was taken away [laughs] at the end of Book 5?

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Micah, you are the- I cannot- first it’s whack, then it’s “what happens in the forest.” I just can’t… I just… Micah, I don’t know what to do with you.

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Well, I’m pretty… were the centaurs…[laughs]

Micah: Magorian had his way with her?

Andrew: Grow up, everyone! Geez!

[Eric and Micah laugh`]

Andrew: So immature.

Laura: [laughs] I’m sorry.

Dylan: Centaurs like their toads.

Andrew: Micah, try asking your question again.

Micah: Should I ask that in a more serious way?

Andrew: Yeah, and we’ll try to grow up.

[Eric and Micah laugh]

Micah: So at the end of Book 5, what do you guys think happened to her when the centaurs took her into…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: You said the forest…

Eric: Well, Micah. I think they took her all night long.

[Laura’s still laughing]

Eric: I think… I think they took her all night long, Micah. In the deep, dark…

Micah: You know, it’s a legitimate question.

Eric: It is a legitimate question!

Andrew: So answer it. [laughs]


Micah: Thanks, Andrew! CBBC Newsround reported friday that after their absence from Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, the Dursleys will return in the fifth movie. They also announced some of the other actors cast for the fifth Harry Potter film. [pronounces incorrectly] See-on… see-on… [pronounces correctly] Sian… [pronounces incorrectly] see-on… that’s a blooper.


Andrew: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages. You have not laughed until you’ve heard… The Micah Tannenbaum Laugh.

[Micah laughs for six seconds]


Written by: Micah, Ally, Martina, and Sarah

Episode 27

  • Dylan joins the show
  • We address comments from last week’s show
  • Where did the older episodes go on the feed?
  • Keep sending in those contest entries!
  • Ben’s Top 10 ‘Ships
  • Happy Valentine’s Day
  • We discuss love in the Harry Potter world
  • Harry’s first date with Cho
  • Ginny’s valentine in Chamber of Secrets?
  • Is Jo influenced by the shipping world?
  • Does she feel forced to use it in the series?
  • Main Discussion – Dolores Umbridge
  • What’s with the toad imagery?
  • Is she truly evil?
  • What House would she be in?
  • What makes Umbridge act the way she does?
  • Could Hermione have grown up to become like Umbridge without Ron and Harry?
  • The Inquisitorial Squad and Educational Decrees
  • Why does she cling to rules and power in the face of truth?
  • Has she made any valuable contributions to Harry’s education?
  • What happened between her and the Centaurs?
  • What will her role be, if any, in Book 7?
  • Dueling Club

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MuggleCast EP26 Transcript


Andrew [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast – Episode 26 for February 05th, 2006. GoDaddy hosting plans are now more powerful than ever. Best of all, plans start at just $3.95 per month. No matter what plan you chose your site receives 24/7 maintenance and protection in the GoDaddy.com world class data center. I use them for my personal website, AndrewSimz.com and I know that GoDaddy has some of the best, affordable hosting plans online. I recommend you use it for your upcoming website or podcast because as a MuggleCast listener, enter the code MUGGLE, that’s M-U-G-G-L-E when you checkout, and save an additional 10% on any order. Get your piece of the Internet today at GoDaddy.com.

Hello everyone, and welcome to MuggleCast. I’m Andrew Sims.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew: And that’s it – four people this week! This is the core group of MuggleCasters. We’re not messing around! No Ben. Well Ben, I fired Ben for last week’s show.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Kevin’s off getting fitted for some wedding thing.

Eric: Oooh. His own wedding?

Micah: Kevin’s getting married?

Laura: Yeah, Kevin’s getting married everyone.

Andrew: Yes, Kevin is getting married. That’s exactly what I was implying.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Before we go anywhere else, first: let’s get updated on the past week’s top Harry Potter news stories with Micah Tan.


Micah: Thanks, Andrew.

It was a busy week in the Harry Potter movie world. A number of casting announcements were made for the fifth film, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

Evanna Lynch, the 14-year-old from Ireland, who attended the open casting call for the role three weeks ago, beat out 15,000 other Luna Lovegood hopefuls to become everyone’s favorite Ravenclaw.

And it was speculated about for months, but earlier this week WB confirmed that Imelda Staunton will play the role of the newest Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, Professor Dolores Umbridge.

Natalia Tena, who has starred in the BBC drama Casualty and acted in movies such as About a Boy will play the part of Nymphadora Tonks.

Additionally, Helen McCrory has been cast for the role of Bellatrix Lestrange and George Harris will play Ministry Auror Kingsley Shacklebolt.

Kathryn Hunter will take on the part of the neighborly, cat-loving Squib, Arabella Figg. Hey, that rhymed.

Finally, Michael Wildman has been cast as Magorian, one of the Centaurs from the Forbidden Forest, and Robbie Jarvis will play the part of a young James Potter, ensuring that the flashback scene from “Snape’s Worst Memory” will indeed be in the fifth film.

Filming for Order of the Phoenix begins February 6th.

The fourth Harry Potter movie has received one Oscar nomination in the category of “Achievement in Art Direction,” for Stuart Craig (art director) and Stephenie McMillan’s (set decorator) work on the blockbuster. The winners for the 78th annual Academy Awards will be announced on March 5th.

As a celebration of children’s literature – new and old – the Queen of England will host a party for her 80th birthday in Buckingham Palace Garden on June 25th. Children aged 4-14 can apply through CBBC’s website for an invitation. There are 1,000 invitations available allowing each child to take a friend and parent or guardian. JK Rowling will be one of many famous children’s authors attending.

The Harry Potter author has also released a list of the Top 10 books she thinks all children should read. You can check that list, which includes titles such as To Kill A Mockingbird and Catcher in the Rye and over on MuggleNet.com

That’s all the news for this February 5th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Andrew: All right. Thank you, Micah.

Micah: No problem.

Andrew: Micah, how is the MuggleCast NewsCenter doing anyway?

Micah: It’s good, it’s good. It actually, eh…geez. [laughs]

Andrew: Wah, wah, wah, wah!

Eric: Just keep that in, just keep that in. Seriously.

Micah: That was a miserable failure right there. [laughs]

Eric: [Imitating Micah] “It’s good, eh…” As Micah realizes it’s just…

Andrew: If you were going to… No, if…

Micah: Hold on, I’ve got to think of something. Let’s do that again.

Andrew: No, this is live-to-tape.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: If you were going to say something like, [in dorky voice] “Oh, I got to dust it,” I was going to be like, “Okay, you used that joke three years ago.” [laughs]

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But anyway, let’s start off with a few announcements, then we’ll get into the discussion of news.


Andrew: We’ve got tons of stuff for you this week. First of all, come on, it’s a new month, and of course, as all of you know, it’s time to vote for us again at Podcast Alley. It’s the one time of month that we ask. We appreciate it. Why do we ask you to vote for us? We’ve never been No. 1. We’ve always been losers. [laughs]

Eric: We’re actually going to try…

Laura: Because no one listens to us to the show anyway.

Eric: Yeah. Wow.

Andrew: [laughs] As we briefly mentioned last week, MuggleCast T-shirts are now available on MuggleCast.com. You listen to us every week, but now here is your chance to wear us.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: These shirts, we have two different styles: Micbolt and “Squares,” which is looking a lot like the Apple design. It’s really cool. We all got our T-shirts. We all love them, right?

Laura: Oh yeah.

Micah: Yep. I’m actually wearing mine right now.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, same here.

Laura: I wore mine all around my town last weekend.

Eric: Nice.

Andrew: Did you?

Laura: Yes, I did.

Andrew: Were you spotted?

Laura: No, I wasn’t spotted, but I did have a couple of people ask me what it was. And…

Eric: She was “squared,” Andrew.

Andrew: By buying these shirts, you do support the show, which we appreciate greatly because we need a little extra cash to upgrade some of our equipment, as you heard last week. [laughs] I suffered a bit. We even had some problems just before we just recorded this. So, we thank you for your support and thanks to Sam and Nate at SamandNate.com, who helped us design these shirts and get the made up for you guys. So, check them out – MuggleCast.com. And then you click on “Store.”

You know, we’re always thinking about the show. We’re always considering what to add next. And we have a new idea for an “Editorial Segment,” where we’re not sure of the name, we’re not sure exactly what we would go into every week, but we want to cover a specific editorial on the MuggleNet Editorial Section of the website. So, if you have any editorial ideas that really stand out to you, send them into mugglecast at staff dot mugglenet dot com. And then put in the subject line “Editorial Segment” with your favorite ones. We’re going to…we’re thinking of interviewing the people who wrote them, go in-depth with them, ask them about their theories because…

Micah: Provide direct links too, I would say, to the actual editorial.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, to make to it easier for us. Because those articles are really, really excellent!

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: They’re just well-written. They cover…they’re just great! So, we want to use the ones that you guys like the best. So, please send them in. Thanks for that. Now, Laura.

Laura: Yes, thank you Andrew. For the past few months, Elysa of MuggleNet Fan Fiction and myself have been working to starting a charity with the intention of raising awareness and funds for the humanitarian crisis in Sudan. The situation over there is… Frankly, it’s sickening. Basically, there’s genocide in Sudan – millions of refugees are being killed and starved. And the lack of awareness is making it harder to fix the problem. After the Holocaust we said, “Never again!” and it’s absolutely necessary that we uphold that promise. If you’d like to help us out with that, you can visit OperationSudan.org. I’ll be posting that link over at the Fan Forums and see what we can do about putting it in the Show Notes?

Andrew: Yeah, absolutely.

Laura: All right. Awesome.

Andrew: You guys have created an excellent website.

Laura: Mhm. Thank you.

Andrew: Along with the help of lo and behold, MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: Mhm. Yeah.

Eric: The real MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: He designed the layout for us.

Andrew: Not the John Noe MuggleNet Greg, the real MuggleNet Greg.

Eric: The REAL MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: The REAL MuggleNet Greg.

Andrew: [Laughs] Yeah. And…

Laura: Greg was so good about it. He really has been instrumental in just making the site look great. So…

Andrew: And you guys have put a lot of thought into this site and I was looking through it.

Laura: Yes, it’s been a long time in the making.

Andrew: Very good. Thank you, Laura.

And last but not least with the announcements, as we said earlier, we do want to apologize for last week’s show. [laughs]

Laura: Really. [laughs]

Andrew: My computer had ran into a few problems. It just said to me last week, “Sorry, dude. I’m not helping you out.” And then we were rushing to get it out because we always try and get it out Sunday nights, so you can have it for Monday morning. You know, get it before the week begins. So, we do apologize. And of course, our No. 1 consideration is making you guys get the show on time and with great quality, and [laughs] last week we failed. So…

Eric: Andrew, I think you should say it without laughing. I think it’s more than quality issues as well. I think it’s becoming content. And a lot of the complaints I read over in the Fan Forums were that it was less content and more inside jokes between us and John Noe and PotterCast and stuff like that.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: So, content.

Laura: I saw. [laughs]

Eric: I mean… Yeah. When you say that the content is bad and we’re sorry because our equipment sucks, it’s also our fault, and I’d like to apologize and I think everyone should.

Andrew: No! Oh no! I know it’s our fault! Absolutely!

Eric: Because we just went off topic way too many times.

Micah: Right.

Laura: We did. And I saw a lot of people upset about Emerson’s power-hour.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Well, listen guys…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: Let me give you a little secret. Ben is a little lenient on what goes in and what doesn’t. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah, I noticed. I noticed.

Andrew: But no, really, we are dedicated to getting it out the best that it can be because in the end it is all about you guys. We’re just the idiots who sit here and talk to each other about Harry Potter. Ah, so we do apologize. And from now on they will be top-notch quality.

Eric: We promise.

Andrew: Always and forever.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Oh god. Toujours pur! That’s on my class ring, did you know that?

Andrew: No, actually I didn’t. I was completely unaware. Thanks for getting us off topic after we just apologize.

Eric: You’re welcome. Let’s go…

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: No, let’s go back to Peter Pettigrew – this week’s topic.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

The Black Family Tree

Andrew: No, no. Well first, before we get to Peter Pettigrew, there was so much news that happened over the past week. Order of the Phoenix casting, mainly.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: And then the Black Family Tree – the little card that JK “Rowling” is donating to Book Aid International for charity. First off, we’ll start with the Black Family Tree. This reveals bits of new information.

Eric: I just depends how much we saw of it, really. We didn’t see that much.

Micah: Right.

Andrew: No, we didn’t. We only saw part of it. Most notably the Black family has relations to the Potter family and the Longbottom family.

Laura: The Weasley family too.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Wait, Potter? Wait, Potter?

Laura: I wasn’t…

Andrew: Yes, Potter.

Eric: Potter?

Andrew and Micah: YES!

Andrew: Pot-ter!

Eric: I just stared at that for a half-an-hour and I didn’t get the Potter, where was that?

Andrew: Arcturus is also in there, who is rumored to be the R.A.B. Now that Arcturus that we see on the Family Tree, he is deceased, but a relative, that would make sense, that would make perfect sense.

Micah: Right. For his middle name.

Andrew: Right. A couple… What I found interesting, was on this little portion of it, we see two, what Jo I assumed made out to be, two little black holes with missing names.

Laura: Yeah, where Mrs. Black blasted them off the Family Tree.

Andrew: I forgot about that.

Laura: Yeah, remember in the book? That would be Sirius and then I think Andromeda, Tonks’ Mom.

Andrew: Ahhh, I’m sorry. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah. They sounded to me like cigarette burns, that’s what I kind of…

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: That’s what they sort of look like, doesn’t it?

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So that’s that. Should we be hoping to see this entire thing before it goes on sale?

Eric: It’s the question. I think you’ll get it after. I don’t think we’ll see it all before it goes on sale.

Andrew: I say that because they are having an open house…

Eric: Ahhh.

Andrew: …with all the items that will be up for auction. Now, you pay ten pounds I think it is, you can walk in, take a picture of that, theoretically.

Eric: But, can you?

Andrew: If nobody catches you.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: I don’t know. I don’t know. [laughs]

Eric: I think it’s a matter of…doing it…doing it…

Andrew: If someone can jot it down, it’s completely…

Laura: Tell them… Tell them that you are an official photographer for MuggleCast.

Eric: Yeah. Uh-huh. No, they’d pay thousands of dollars for…

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Micah: Well, somehow I’ll get my hands on it. I mean, I got the Dumbledore’s toast. I got the Ford Anglia. So, it’s only a matter of time before I get my hands on it.

Laura: Yeah!

Eric: Yeah, get… No, get… Yeah, you have contacts, Micah.

Andrew: What’s sad is that you’re not joking. That’s the sad part. [laughs]

Micah: I know. I did spend a lot of money on that toast.

Laura: Yeah, how do you think we’re all getting to Vegas in July?

Micah: Yep.

Eric: Yeah, it’s Micah Tan.

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: And his contacts.

Andrew: But seriously if somebody took a picture of this… Of course, we would love…

Micah: Siriusly?

Andrew: Yeah, no pun intended. If someone took a picture of this and sent this in to MuggleNet or even one of the other sites, this could seriously decrease the value of it because the hype won’t be as big. You know what I’m saying?

Laura: Yeah, you just have a copy it saved to your desktop now.

Eric and Andrew: Yeah.

Andrew: Who cares? Well, I mean it is the original thing. This is hand-written, correct?

Laura: I think so.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah, and her signature is right there. So…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I think…

Laura: That’s definitely something a die-hard fan would love to have, but at the same time I think the knowledge is equally as important to the fans.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: So, if they already have, you know, a jpeg of it, I don’t anybody is going to be too fussed for it.

Eric: I highly doubt… I don’t think they need to show the entire thing to sell it. In fact, it’s best if they didn’t. The real question is, the people who buy it – will they want to spend all that money on it and then share it with the world? Or would they want it to themselves? Whoever buys.

Andrew: I would think. I would probably…oooh, geez. What would you guys do? Would you keep it for yourselves?

Laura: I don’t know. [laughs] I don’t know because…

Eric: I’d wait until Book 7 and then give it out.

Laura: …if I spent all that money on it, and then it was like everyone else could have it for free – I don’t know. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It’s just, kind of, I don’t know.

Andrew: That’s a good point. But then again you know THE original copy that Jo actually drew out, which is…

Laura: Yeah, that’s true.

Eric: You know what?

Andrew: Priceless! I mean, except for at this auction. [laughs]

Laura: Yeah. [laughs]

Eric: Then later on, you’ll find 100,000 hand-draw, you know, family trees on eBay signed by JKR.

Andrew: So it is interesting. We look forward to seeing that being sold. The little book over 70-something words, I can’t remember off the top of my head, do you guys? 70? 72 words?

Laura: Mmmm. Don’t remember.

Andrew: It was in the seventies – 70 words. That never made it online, so I would think that they would tell whomever won, “Look, just don’t post it online.” So…

Eric: I don’t think they can do that because it is the person’s property then.

Laura: I guess we will find out.

Order Of The Phoenix Casting

Andrew: And then also the Order of the Phoenix casting. Of course there were several big announcements this week. Most notably we have our Luna. Imelda Staunton was confirmed, which we’ve talked about her in a previous show, but I would just like to say I think she’s perfect for the role.

Laura: She looks great. She really does.

Micah: Yep. Especially if you look at her picture over on, what is it? Internet Movie Database?

Eric: Yeah, IMDb.

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: That shot of her, looks exactly like Umbridge.

Eric: IMDb is my homepage.

Andrew: Yeah, IMDb is a great site. She just looks perfect for the part. I can’t wait to see her in costume, and I just can’t wait to see her acting. And the newbie, well, the young newbie, 14-year-old Evanna Lynch from Ireland, who actually attended the open casting call just like a billion other people and actually made it in. Which I had found interesting because even before the open casting call, correct me if I am wrong, but Warner Bros. had narrowed it down to five people. Correct? So, what happened? Any ideas? Was Evanna that good?

Laura: She might be. You know, maybe they had those five people narrowed down, you know, as the five best out of everyone they saw, but maybe none of them fit just what they were looking for. And that excites me.

Andrew: Yeah.

Laura: It gets me pumped up because I think that this girl could, if she’s really that good, then she can really do a spot-on job of playing Luna. I’m really excited about that.

Andrew: I just think it is interesting, but yeah, like Laura said, it is pretty exciting. And then of course, she’s had background with the brush of fame. She was in the hospital for…I don’t think it was mentioned.

Eric: I mean, put it this way. If you can already Google her, she’s good fame material. She can handle it well.

Andrew: Yeah, by fame I meant that she had just, she had gotten Book 5 signed. She looks like a good Luna, yes?

Laura: Yeah, I think she looks pretty good.

Andrew: She matches the physical features, yes, we’re going for? [laughs]

Micah: Yep.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: And then there were some other people that were cast, but there’s not exactly much to say with anyone because we haven’t seen or heard much from them. Of course they’ve all had some experience, but they are not huge movie stars. Yet again, not exactly big roles. So, you can’t expect much.

Eric: But, you can, in a way. You can still expect…

Andrew: Explain, Eric. Elaborate.

Eric: There is an old adage and it is kind of actually annoying even to me. But it says, “There are no small roles…” [stutters] Sorry. “There are no small roles, just small actors.” What this means basically, even if you only have one line as a character on stage or in a movie, you could make that simply the best line there is. And you put your heart into it, you think how would your character say this, and you establish yourself on screen. Even without words there have been characters that are, you know, bold. And from a cinematographic point of view, they stand out. And so I think even though Kingsley Shacklebolt might just show up at, you know, Privet Drive and just be standing next to Moody as he says, you know, “This is the different teacher than you’ve had before.” Brendan Gleeson who has obviously been with Daniel Radcliffe, Kingsley might just stand there. But at the same time, you know who he is, we know who he is, and we can fun with that.

Andrew: And then of course on a smaller note (it sort of got overshadowed by the wonders of Luna Lovegood and Umbridge and the like), that Robbie Jarvis is going to be playing young James Potter. Which tells us that yes, Snape’s bad memory would indeed be in the movie. Which is exciting because I like seeing the stuff from the past. We haven’t seen as much in the past. We haven’t seen many past, you know what I mean, like seen…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Yeah, we really haven’t.

Andrew: Because this, we’re going to be seeing a younger Snape then, right?

Eric: We’ll be seeing younger…

Laura: Yeah, that means we’ll be seeing younger Marauders, younger Lily…

Andrew: Everything, yeah.

Eric: A younger everybody which is… I think they really need to capitalize on this because they’ve cut all the past stuff out of Movie 3, and the only past thing we’ve had is the Chamber of Secrets, you know? The thing with Tom Riddle and Hagrid, and that really didn’t happen.

Andrew: Goblet of Fire too…

Laura: Well that’s not true, in Goblet of Fire, you had the court and everything.

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: Oh, right.

Andrew: But those didn’t give us great looks it was just…

Laura: No, was it just me or when you saw that, they didn’t really make everyone look younger?

Andrew: No, no, they never try and they didn’t try this time.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: Yeah, I meant as far as life at Hogwarts by the way, when going back into the past.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Yeah so, that will be interesting.

Eric: Also, I wanted to mention with Robbie Jarvis cast, there were a few people that were suggesting since Harry and James look so much alike, why didn’t they just get Dan Radcliffe to portray James?

Andrew: Yeah, good idea.

Laura: I don’t think they look that alike though. I mean…

Eric: No, I don’t think they do either. And that’s what I wanted to point out too, I don’t think, it’s better they cast someone different entirely because first of all, I doubt they could make him up to look any different and I think it would just be weird.

Andrew: Well…

Eric: It would be more weird than…

Andrew: It would probably look weird, but if they were on a budget or something, it might not have been a bad idea. You could easily, come on, you got the make-up and stuff. They took a nose off of Ralph Fiennes, they can do anything. So…

Eric: Well true, true, but look at, sorry, Richard Harris in Chamber of Secrets when they made him look younger or whatever. He looked completely different. That actually just disproves my point, but I mean he looked really different there.

Laura: I don’t know, for some reason I can’t see Dan doing the cocky thing very well.

[Eric laughs]

Laura: I don’t know. I’m not insulting his acting skills, but I think he does a really good job portraying the role he’s in and I don’t know, maybe it’s just because I’ve seen him in four movies being so noble that I can’t actually see him picking on someone.

Eric: Yeah, I also think Harry – sorry – Dan’s Harry portrays more the Lily side of Harry than the James side of Harry.

Laura: Yes. Yes, I think it does.

Eric: I think in movies. And I think that would probably create a problem if he were to do James.


Andrew: Now, moving on to our main discussion of the week, as promised, [says in Remus Lupin voice] “Peter Pettigrew.” What movie?

Eric: Petti-grew-oo.

Laura: Remus Lupin.

Andrew: Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Laura: Yay!

Eric: Wait, what? You cut out, sorry, what?

Andrew: Ah, you lost, that’s the point.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Let’s just inform everyone of some few basic facts. He is an unregistered Animagus who can turn into a rat. He is short, balding, and plump. [laughs] Peter sacrificed his right hand to renew Voldemort’s body and he bears a silver hand in replacement from his master, which of course is Lord Voldemort. Ummm, nothing is official but he is considered at least half-blood since he was accepted as a Death Eater. And all of that information is provided to us by, no, not the HP-Lexicon, but MuggleNet’s very own Encyclopedia. [laughs] You know, we’ve been checking…

Laura: We actually use our own Encyclopedia.

Eric: Wow.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I was checking the Lexicon this week and then I realized: wait a second, we have all of this on our own website. [laughs] So…

[Everyone laughs]

The Rat And His Master

Andrew: Ah, that’s funny. So, we have a variety of questions to cover. Number one, most importantly, what drew him to Lord Voldemort?

Laura: Lord Voldemort’s power, I think, because we know Pettigrew will definitely side up with the biggest bully on the playground and it seemed at the time that Voldemort definitely had the upper hand. And then of course, his downfall to Harry, he went and hid for twelve years.

Micah: But do you think Pettigrew went right after Voldemort, or do you think Voldemort kind of sought out Pettigrew? Because I know it’s hard…

Laura: I think Pettigrew went for Voldemort.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Pettigrew had to go for Voldemort.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: That’s the whole point of making Pettigrew Secret-Keeper, was that Voldemort wouldn’t seek him out. So, I think Voldemort, or the majority of it had to be Pettigrew going to Voldemort saying, “I have this big secret for you.” And even though Pettigrew blames Voldemort and says he has ways or persuasion, Voldemort wouldn’t have just gone out on the street, picked a few people, you know, who were on the good side and said, “I’m going to make you my servants,” because he would have picked all the purebloods and stuff. So, yeah.

Micah: But he was a close friend of James. Why wouldn’t Voldemort want to try…

Eric: Well, that’s what made him so good.

Micah: …seek out and convince those people surrounding the Potters to sort of turn against them.

Eric: Well no, he would, but at the same time would he just go out again? He was their most pitiful friend. Would he just say, “Let’s go all the…” I think he would try and convert Sirius or Remus first if he was just looking for friends of the Potters.

Laura: They said that Pettigrew had been passing information to Voldemort a year before they died, so he probably went to Voldemort ages before he became Secret-Keeper and Voldemort probably said, “You need to become Secret-Keeper. You need to do something to convince them that you should do it,” and it worked.

Eric: Well, it was suggested as a joke actually, according to Sirius.

Laura: A joke?

Eric: Yeah, he said he suggested Peter as a joke almost.

Laura: Oh, really?

Eric: Yep. Because who…

Laura: Oh I don’t remember that.

Eric: Who would possibly suspect…yeah.

Andrew: Now as Micah said, they were close, Pettigrew was close friends with James, but I just… Is that an excuse for why Pettigrew went to Voldemort?

Laura: No! None of it’s an excuse for what he did.

Andrew: I know…

Eric: No, there is no excuse for what he did.

Andrew: But why? What made him? I mean, because he grew up in a life – he was surrounded by, he grew up with James and Sirius. He spent a lot of time with them at Hogwarts, correct?

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: So I just don’t understand why. Why? Why, Peter?

Laura: Because he wants to saddle up to anyone who has power.

Eric: But at the same time… I don’t know. I think, they definitely characterized him in Prisoner of Azkaban they said, you know, they actually said it to his face, they called him the person who would shackle up to anybody who had power and, you know, leech off them. But at the same time, there had to have been a point where Peter was then saying, you know, “My side no longer has the power.” Except I don’t know when that would have been, but for him to go to Voldemort – I mean, if you’re going to be with anybody who’s anybody from the good side, you should be with the Potters. And that’s who he was. So even though Peter was actually on the best of the good side, he just still chose to go over to the bad.

Micah: But even thought he was a part of that group, do you guys think he was picked on a little bit? Like he wasn’t the star of the group.

Andrew: I’m sure he was.

Laura: Oh, yeah of course.

Micah: So maybe that was part of it, too. Maybe part of it was, “Look how powerful I can be by going over to Lord Voldemort’s side and look what I will be able to do.”

Laura: It’s entirely possible.

Eric: I think that’s…

Laura: And it’s just as immature as Snape taking things out on Harry for what his father did, you know? I’ve always found it extremely immature that you have people who will take things that you did when you were 14, 15 years old and hold them against you when you’re an adult. It’s like, everyone makes mistakes.

Eric: Well, at the same time, James never seemed to be one to apologize. His cockiness may have subsided, but I don’t think Pettigrew ever got an apology or anything that he was due because nobody, including, you know, Sirius and Remus, felt that he was due one.

Laura: No, probably not.

Eric: So I think that Pettigrew’s turning is a slap in the face, and is a “Hey, you don’t appreciate me, maybe Voldemort will more,” which we know is not true, but I think that’s probably what it was.

Laura: I’m sure that there was some of that in there. Definitely. Along with the fact that he probably felt that as someone, you know, working so close with the Potters and Dumbledore, he was at high risk to be killed. And he probably figured, “If I give this information to Voldemort, then I’m on their side and they won’t hurt me,” which is very untrue.

Eric: I like that. He valued his own life, which was good.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: …and not the life of the Marauders as a whole.


Andrew: Now, why did Dumbledore let him become Secret-Keeper? I mean, in a way, you think, “Okay well, it’s because he’s always hanging around them,” but, around James, but could that be the full reason why?

Eric: Is it…is it in my memory that, uhhh, maybe, ummm…is it just in my head that maybe Dumbledore thought that it might have been Pettigrew that was sneaking information to the Potters and he still let them make him Secret-Keeper anyway?

Laura: I don’t think he had anyone specific in mind. I know Dumbledore offered to be the Potters’ Secret-Keeper.

Eric: Yeah, I know that, too, but see what happened was, ummm…

Laura: I think they knew that one of their friends was betraying them.

Eric: Yeah, and so I think, even though Dumbledore has always been characterized as, you know, valuing choice and all this other stuff. Even though he sat by as they made Peter the Secret-Keeper, I think he probably should have objected to it.

Laura: What could he do though? Because, I mean, the Potters were adults. He couldn’t tell them what to do.

Eric: I’m just saying, I really, honestly don’t know why it wasn’t Dumbledore anyway because that would have been the absolute…

Laura: Because if it was Dumbledore, then the Potters wouldn’t have been murdered and there would be no Harry Potter. There would be no Harry Potter series. [laughs]

Eric: Well, that’s a good thing. No, that’s a good thing. Not for the content-wise, but…

Laura: There’d be no MuggleNet and there would be no MuggleCast.

Andrew: How is it good, Eric?

Eric: Because James and Lily would be alive and there still would be a Harry, just not the Harry we know, so…

Laura: And there would be no story. [laughs]

Eric: Yeah, but Dumbledore should have been the Secret-Keeper if the Potters wanted to survive, that’s all I’m saying.

Laura: Yeah, of course!

Eric: Well, okay, so we understand each other.

Micah: Didn’t they talk about Sirius being it, too? But they thought that was too obvious.

Laura: Yeah, they wanted to use Sirius originally.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: But I think it was actually Sirius who suggested Pettigrew.

Eric: Yeah, it was.

Laura: Because he, he basically said in Prisoner of Azkaban, “I as good as killed them.”

Eric: Yeah, because he joked, which is what I said. He joked about choosing Peter and then lo and behold Peter was the upper hand…or had the upper hand.

Pettigrew In Slytherin

Andrew: Why wasn’t he in Slyth… [stutters and then laughs] Slytherin, because of the way he was so self-protective?

Laura: I think it’s proof that not all bad wizards are in Slytherin because of course, in Sorcerer’s Stone, it’s either Hagrid or Ron, I can’t remember, who told Harry that.

Eric: No, it’s both.

Laura: It’s both?

Eric: Yeah, because…

Laura: But I think that’s more of a stereotype type thing. I mean, obviously you have a lot of dark wizards that come from Slytherin, but I really don’t think that you necessarily have to be in Slytherin to be a bad wizard.

Micah: Yeah, and what he did, he did display bravery even if it wasn’t bravery in the good sense.

Eric: Yeah. Which is…

Laura: And I wouldn’t call him a dark wizard anyway. [laughs]

Eric: No. [laughs]

Micah: No. [laughs]

Eric: Micah is entirely correct.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And also, if you think about it, even the Hufflepuffs are characterized as being bad people. You know, when they seclude themselves from Harry with Justin Finch-Fletchley thing in Chamber of Secrets

Laura: Yeah, they were being loyal.

Eric: Everybody has…they were being snooty and…and, you know, royal pains in the butts to Harry and you know, they weren’t being nice people, nice, accepting, generous people, which shows that there aren’t many in any house. There aren’t…you know? Not everybody is.

Andrew: It’s just several factors. I mean, being bad is a personality thing. Of course, that’s one of the factors. I think that goes into your sorting, but there’s other things too.

Eric: Maybe it was his choice. Maybe all the power was in Gryffindor so he was like, “I’m going to shackle up to Gryffindor. Make me Gryffindor.”

Wormtail The Wizard

Andrew: So…so what powers did he possess? What kind of magical ability?

Eric: He’s good at dealing with things – being a rat for 13, 14 years, you know? Actually, do you guys think… Here’s a good question, do you guys think that he ever revealed himself to Percy?

Andrew: No! No! If he had…

Eric: All those times living as him.

Andrew: The surprise would have been just big as it was with Ron. I don’t see why he would. And I’m pretty sure, I remember reading that he did stay in secrecy that entire time.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t think he would, really. Because as corrupt as Percy is, I don’t think that he’s going to be a Voldemort-supporter.

Eric: I agree with that. My problem was of course, well, the Prisoner of Azkaban movie, it all happened so fast when he came out of that, and he was so used to walking around like a human and stuff, it just seemed like he had done it before or something. But that was just probably due to how he acted it, you know, in the movie and how it was directed and everything like that.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Because he was…a lot of people complained too, when talking about Timothy Spall as Peter, they say that he did it too mousy, you know…too not human enough and it was almost silly watching this overgrown rat-type thing. But, I just felt that..

Laura: But in the book, that’s how it described him though. That he, that even as a human he seemed rat-like.

Eric: He was rather done well in Goblet of Fire, I felt, so it was just a matter of what we saw in the movie.

Andrew: I…I would agree.

Missing In Action

Eric: So now, if Peter didn’t ever reveal himself to Percy and everything like that, where was…where was Peter in Book 5? Because he wasn’t mentioned, like, at all. And even in Book 6 he was only mentioned in the very beginning, do you remember that?

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: With Snape in “Spinner’s End.” But he wasn’t mentioned at all the read of the book. He wasn’t even, at the end of Book 5, he wasn’t even in the big battle with all the Death Eaters.

Laura: I think in an interview, I can’t remember specifically which one, but someone asked where he was during Book 5 and she said, “You will find out eventually.”

Andrew: And we didn’t find out really in Half-Blood Prince.

Laura: So, he might have been. Well there’s still one more book.

Andrew: I mean, we didn’t find out in Half-Blood Prince.

Laura: No, there’s still one more book. I think…

Andrew: My thoughts on that is…

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: …if they don’t show up in a book then they’re not doing anything that is super-important.

Eric: No, I think it’s a red herring.

Laura: Either that, either that or they’re doing something VERY important [laughs] that we’re not supposed to know about.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: I just don’t understand why you would avoid mentioning him. It’s just like, is that Jo’s writing style that if you don’t mention someone then it’s assumed that…? It’s just weird.

Laura: Well, not necessarily.

Eric: There is such a thing as a red herring.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And you know, the absence of signs is a sign.

Laura: I think she wanted to draw our attention away from a lot of things in Book 5 and in Book 6 as well, just by not mentioning the Department of Mysteries really. I think she’s trying to draw our attention away from that so she can set up, you know…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: The plot for Book 7.

Eric: Traditionally the style with J.K. too, when she doesn’t want to mention something, she’ll still at least have it exist in the book. Like it won’t completely, completely drop out. Even though it seems like it will, it will still there a little bit. Just enough so that when she does bring it back, we’ll still remember it. Such as Gilderoy Lockhart and things like that. You know, there was the mention, I think it was in Book 3, which was after Lockhart that Hermione said – No! It was Book 4! – when Hermione was going on about how she doesn’t like people for how the looked and then Ron joked Lockhart. And you know, made that, “Cough! Lockhart! Cough! Ha! Lockhart!”

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: And that was just her way, you know, obviously we saw Lockhart in Book 5.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Which is really weird because I just completely didn’t think of that, but he’s there and he’s ever-present in the background.

Laura: And something that that reminds me of is in…I want to say it was in Book 5 when Hermione was asking Fred and George where they were getting all this money for their joke shop. One of the twins said, “Ask us no questions and we’ll tell you no lies.” And I think that that is her attitude towards it.

Eric: I agree. The only difference is between lies and what she actually changes her mind about.

Laura: I don’t think…

Eric: I…

Laura: She’s not… I don’t think she’s going to lie, but I think it was definitely a present theme.

Eric: Well yeah, but the question is, will she actually ever…are any of the major book secrets do you think she actually changed her mind about? That might actually change, it might actually maybe contradict a possible… See we have to understand there is so many things that she has to finish up with Book 7…are… Could it be possible that maybe, once she gives us this answer, this final answer, that they actually contradict one or maybe even more things that she’s actually said in the past?

Laura: It’s possible, I mean, when you’re writing something as epic as this…

Eric: Of course, which is…

Laura: …there are going to be inconsistencies.

Eric: She’s been writing for over fifteen years hasn’t she?

Laura: Mhm. Yeah.

Andrew: And she said on her website, that, just a couple weeks ago, that she was trying to avoid, you know, getting screwed up with the plot. But, it’s just going to happen, especially with a book so in-depth like this and it’s already turned up so far and it’s…parts of it have been fixed in some revisions of the books, but it, you know, I think it’s impossible. Jo does great, but, you know…

Laura: But she’s human.

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah.

How Did He Find The Weasleys

Andrew: Yeah, oh…so how did he get to the Weasleys’? How did Percy pick him up? Could he have got into a store and…or, he was just crawling on the street?

Laura: Did it ever say? I don’t think it said.

Eric: I’d be more interested…

Andrew: No.

Eric: I’d be more interested in figuring out why, like, if Mr. Weasley was all like hanging around in a coffee shop and saw a rat, why he’d want to give it to his son, Percy, as a pet. You know?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: “Oh look, a rat! This would be a good pet.”

Andrew: “A rat, cool!”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: “Cool! It’s a Muggle rat.” You know?

Andrew: But, did…

Laura: Well, it’s something they can afford.

Andrew: Did Pettigrew intend to get into the Weasley family?

Laura: Yes, he did.

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: It’s…

Eric: I think we can give him that.

Laura: …in Prisoner of Azkaban, I’m pretty sure it was…

Eric: Where it says that he shackled up to make sure that he knew the news.

Laura: Yeah, they were like, Sirius was like, “Yeah, you made sure that you, you know, got into a wizarding household where you could hear the news, hear if your old master had come back” and all this other stuff. So, I think, it’s not, I’m not sure that he was looking for the Weasleys specifically, but he was definitely looking for a wizarding family.

Andrew: I mean, it’s completely possible he could’ve been aiming to get into the Weasleys. And they are pretty gullible so…[laughs] especially Mr. Weasley, you know, with his Muggle fascination.

Laura: What? You think he picked up the rat and started talking to it, Andrew? Was he like…

Andrew: No. I’m saying his fasc…

Laura: “Are you an evil wizard?” [laughs]

Andrew: I’m saying his fascination with Muggle anything. He’s just fascinated with anything…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: The guy’s like, you know? So…

Laura: Well, he’s very curious.

Andrew: Yes, yes.

Laura: And I think that if he found just a normal garden rat, he would…that would be something he would like to have.

Andrew: And since they’re poor, they can’t exactly afford it, so Percy gets it. It, you know, makes sense.

Reveal Yourself

Eric: Okay, I guess the next thing is why didn’t he attack Harry prior to Book 3? But I think that’s also already been answered in the book, too.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Where he needed the assurance that, if he was going to act, that he needed to…or maybe that was…was that about Lucius Malfoy?

Laura: No, that was about Pettigrew, he would need somewhere to go. And we…and he doesn’t want to do anything unless it directly benefits him.

Eric: Right.

Laura: You know?

Micah: It was just an added bonus.

Eric: Okay.

Laura: He wouldn’t want to do it under Dumbledore’s nose…

Eric: Yeah, so wait, guys.

Laura: …unless Voldemort was back.

Peter Gets No Love

Eric: Now, Pettigrew really is the character in the books, next to Snape, who gets no love. And, would you guys agree with that? Because I mean, here he is and he’s this, and he is a bad person, I will agree with that, that’s been argued. He is a bad person, he’s chosen all bad things, but he’s really had to take the crap from the Marauders all his life and here he goes and he signs up with Voldemort and causes the whole series to spin out of control, but at the same time, he still gets no love. And when we did see him, the very little we did in Book 6, he was being abused by Snape, who was also abused by the Marauders. He’s getting abused and he’s getting, you know? He’s this little servant-slave thing “make-me-tea-or-else” type. He’s not getting any kind of affection from either side.

Laura: Yeah. I wouldn’t give him any affection.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Besides the fact that he’s, you know, “only a mother could love him.” What do you guys think?

Laura: Besides the fact that he betrayed his best friends to their death… Why doesn’t anybody love him?

Eric: Why doesn’t anybody?

[Laura laughs]

Eric: No, really nobody did before. He was this short little, fat kid and McGonagall never treated him properly.

Laura: Well, we don’t know for sure that no one loved him. I mean, he definitely got a lot of tough treatment, but I don’t think it’s an excuse at all because…

Eric: No, I’m not saying that’s an excuse.

Laura: With me and my friends, we make fun of each other all the time.

Eric: I agree!

Laura: And it’s just…I’m not going to go and betray them.

Eric: There is a point when too much is too much though. And they can respect that. I mean, it’s just… No, I’m not giving…

Laura: Well yeah, but they were young people and they weren’t thinking. And they weren’t expecting him to do what he did.

Eric: Well right…exactly. And believe me, I am not saying… This is completely different from the Barty Crouch Jr. thing. I am not saying…

[Laura laughs]

Eric: …that…I wasn’t going bring it up. No, this is not saying that Wormtail deserves love…everybody deserves love…but at the same time, I’m not justifying his actions. I’m just saying that, you know, he really took a lot of crap and it’s really unfortunate that he still has to take crap with Voldemort. And he’s never really going to…the good side…the bad side isn’t any better than the good side. In fact, it’s worse.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: Well, are you saying that Pettigrew should have gotten more love, or Wormtail should be getting more love?

Eric: I would assume that it would be…I don’t know. It is interesting…just the fact that you classified them as, like, two different people. Pettigrew was… I see the character of Peter Pettigrew as being somebody who was, you know, always not as skilled as he was able to let on and he was satisfied with, at least, you know, just living the life of the greats. But, there was a point where, I think he had to become his own person, and kind of take his own, you know, take his own path and that was when he decided that the rap he’d been getting, maybe he could do without it if he… He saw himself as becoming valuable once he started getting information from the Potters. And this wasn’t just about their Secret-Keeper, this was obviously a year before, but I think there was a point where he started seeing that he was a valuable person, but not to the good side anymore. That he was starting to become valuable to somebody else and maybe he wanted to try to see. Maybe he did want to try, maybe he just wanted to give it a little dab into the dark side and see if he could actually be possibly more appreciated or more happy with himself on the bad side, which I actually think he is, probably more happy.

Laura: I just see him as, sort of, a pathetic person, really. Like he’ll…

Eric: Well, he is.

Laura: He’ll get himself pulled in way too far. You know, he’ll get in over his head and he won’t even really have realized what he has done. I think, possibly if he knew, if he could look into the future and see what all was going to happen to him in the future, he probably wouldn’t do what he did but not because of, you know, out of, you know, love for the Potters…

Eric: I agree.

Laura: Out of, you know…

Eric: I agree entirely.

Laura: …love for himself.

Eric: Yeah. For himself, I think, looking back, he would probably change it. Not for the Potters. I agree with that.

Loyalty: Snape vs. Pettigrew

Andrew: Here’s another question: Who is more trusted by Lord Voldemort? Snape or Pettigrew? And I’ll…

Eric: Snape!!

Andrew: Okay. Great. Thanks, Eric. I just like to voice my opinion here that, yeah, at this point, I think it’s Snape too. Pettigrew’s too weak. Snape’s got the trust and the power.

Eric: Even…

Laura: Yeah, I think so, too.

Eric: Even after…

Andrew: Pettigrew’s got the trust and that’s it.

Laura: But, I think that it’s possible that Voldemort would use his followers to spy on one another. I think that having…

Andrew: To test loyalty?

Laura: Yeah, I think that having Pettigrew and Snape in the same house was sort of a double win for him, to keep them, you know, in line…

Eric: A check.

Laura: To keep them spying on each other.

Micah: See that’s the thing. I mean…

Laura: Yeah?

Micah: Wormtail has shown his loyalty throughout the series to Voldemort, whereas Snape has been the one who has always been in question, so why would we all of a sudden naturally assume that it’s Snape that’s watching over Wormtail as opposed to the other way around?

Eric: And I like that.

Laura: Well…

Eric: That’s a brilliant…

Laura: I think it’s both ways, personally.

Eric: Well, it’s just, the way Micah just worded that. It fit exactly what I wanted to ask. And that was brilliant. That was brilliant, Micah because, I don’t know. It makes…it’s a complete opposite. It makes sense. We should be suspecting Snape would be, you know, the one who’s being spied on.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Because Pettigrew has clearly said…you know, Pettigrew…it’s not a question if he’s good or bad, because he is bad. And, the problem is, he can’t be trusted by Voldemort because Voldemort chooses to value the morals of it for, you know, Voldemort’s not a moral person, but yet he realizes that Pettigrew only does what he wants out of fear instead of wanting to. And I guess he looks…

Laura: And that Pettigrew would leave at the drop of a hat if the opportunity came up and it would benefit him and keep him safe.

Eric: I guess he sees that, but fear is a lot more powerful than choice. I think Voldemort would, at least, try and think that way, but he’s not.

Laura: Mhm. Oh, he’s…I mean, he’s afraid to leave and probably even more afraid since he’s, you know, allegedly being watched over by Snape.

Eric: And assuming that…assuming that Voldemort trusts Snape, he’s trusting somebody, who, even if he was bad, would only want to be in it and doesn’t… Snape doesn’t feel compelled to have to be in it, you know.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Even if Snape were a bad guy, it’s still a choice he makes, and I think that’s interesting to observe that Snape is actually choosing to be on the bad side whereas Peter is choosing, but also, he fears for his life and it’s more… I think Peter is more likely to stay on the bad side than Snape and yet Voldemort’s Snape…trusts Snape more.

Micah: Yeah and I don’t even know if “weak” is the right word, because somebody mentioned this before, to describe Wormtail. I don’t necessarily think he’s weak when you consider all the things that he’s done throughout the series.

Laura: He’s…I mean.

Andrew: Who said that? That wasn’t me, was it?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I didn’t…

Laura: I don’t remember. I honestly don’t remember.

Andrew: Well, because, I didn’t say “weak,” I just said he wasn’t as powerful.

Laura: I think when you compare him to the likes of some of the Death Eaters, he is weak, but he’s definitely…he’s a good rat. That’s what he is, I mean, he’s good at sneaking around and…

Eric: He really is.

Laura: …gathering information

Andrew: He’s sort of like Peeves, only more worthwhile.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Just, sort of like the attitude and, I don’t know. He’s sort of annoying, but…

Laura: I find Peeves to be funny.

Eric: I find Peeves…

Andrew: Peeves is funny, but he’s annoying… He annoys Harry.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: You know?

Eric: All his strange words…”ickle” and…

Andrew: Yes, yes.

Laura: [Laughs] I wish they had Peeves in the movie.

Eric: [In a funny voice, imitating Peeves] “Potty-wee lad. Potter-wotter wee lad. Gah.”

The Silver Hand

Andrew: So, what is the silver hand meant for, if anyone…? I see it as, like, Voldemort’s reward to him…to Pettigrew.

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Like, check out this silver hand… Ooo.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: He’s a rat, exactly, he’s fascinated by shiny things.

[Everyone laughs]

Micah: Like sewer pipes, right?

[Everyone still laughing]

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah. And cheese.

Laura: In all seriousness, I think the hand probably has some magical ability.

Eric: It’s topic, it’s topic, should Voldemort, you know, what exactly is silver? Now think of this. Okay, you just brought me back, I’m not going to give you your regular hand back, I’m going to give you a silver hand back. I don’t even think Voldemort thought about it. I don’t even think it was a second thought, like, “Gee, you were actually a decent, you know, friend to me, I’m going to give you a silver hand.” I…

Andrew: What’s the advantage though?

Laura: It’s probably got some kind of magical ability. I really think so…

Eric: It has to.

Andrew: I guess more powerful spells if you have your wand in that hand?

Micah: Well, Jo said that people naturally assume that, since it was silver and silver bullets kill werewolves, that there was going to be some kind of connection there, but she sort of struck down the whole Lupin thing when she updated her site.

Eric: Yeah, but I…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Why does nobody accept the idea that it could be the bad werewolf…that other guy?

Micah: Greyback?

Eric: That…Greyback.

Laura: I think it’s possible. I think…

Eric: Whenever I mention that, everybody goes silent and I’m like, you know, that could be…he could just kill Greyback.

Laura: That could be his debt to Harry…I mean, paying off his whole debt…his life debt and stuff.

Eric: I don’t know…

Laura: I don’t know if he will kill anyone purposely. But I think…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: …that it’s a definite possibility that he could…

Eric: But I want to say, also, when Voldemort gave him that silver hand…

Laura: …inadvertently cause the death of…yeah.

Eric: It’s not like Voldemort was planning ahead to have to kill a werewolf and so he said, “Hmmm, you know, I’m going to…you saved me, resurrected me, I’m going to give you a silver hand so you can fight off a werewolf one day.”

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: You know, I don’t think he said that. I think it was an off-hand type thing. No pun intended.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I can also see it as just a way to, you know, excite Pettigrew over nothing. You know, he’s like a child. He’s easily…what’s the…he’s…what’s the word, duh?

Eric: Easily contented?

Andrew: He’s…no, I was going to say gullible.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: He’s, you know, “Ooo…silver hand!” And he goes off to play with it.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: In a non-weird way.

Eric: No, no, we weren’t thinking in a weird way. It was just a cute thing to say.

[Laura still laughing]

Laura: No, also I think it’s a way of making sure that he remains loyal by thinking “Hey, if I keep doing this kind of stuff, he’ll keep giving me more stuff,” you know.

Eric: I agree.

Micah: You know, two silver hands instead of one.

Andrew: Yeah exactly, Micah.

Eric: Soon he’ll have the silver foot.

[Laura laughs]

It’s Payment Time

Andrew: So well, we sort of talked about this in different questions, but how will he repay his debt to Harry? We just suggested, “Oh, the silver hand can do it with Greyback.”

Laura: Mhm.

Andrew: Any other theories? I just…saving him from Voldemort in Book 7? I…

Eric: I want to talk to…I want to talk about the unlinking of Voldemort’s inner circle and just how Pettigrew’s going to fit into that and possibly repay his debt, in the meantime. I think we characterized Pettigrew before as being the kind of person…and I think this was mostly due to Laura…the kind of person who would stumble into helping fulfill Harry’s…you know, his debt to Harry whether, just say, “Okay I have to go help Harry now.”

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: I don’t know that he’ll necessarily say, “Okay, the good side is where I truly should be” before he helps Harry. You know, I don’t know that that will happen.

Laura: I could see Harry forcing him. Seriously, I can seriously see…if they somehow took him prisoner, I could see Harry like, pointing his wand at him and saying, “You will do this for me, or I will kill you.”

Andrew: Yeah. He bullied him around in Prisoner of Azkaban in the Shrieking Shack scene.

Eric: I, well I…yeah. But, the thing is also, Harry wouldn’t have to do that too, which is the question…is what is the debt? Because Harry wouldn’t have to push him around. I mean, I’m sure that would be effective and all, but I don’t know how we’re going to find out what exactly his debit is to Harry because, you know, it’s not going to… I don’t know how Harry’s going to find out and Pettigrew is probably unaware that he even has a debt. So…

Laura: Yeah. It all depends on how debts work. If they’re actually, I mean, if there’s a specific span of time in which it has to be completed or…?

Andrew: Or is it similar to an Unbreakable Vow where…

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: …it has to be done. But, Pettigrew’s got really nothing to lose. He’s not in any sort of [laughs]…it sounds stupid, but he’s not in any sort of relationship or, he doesn’t have some reputation built up that’s absolutely vital…

Eric: Which means he’s…

Andrew: …he’s not trying to save the world…

Eric: You know, what this means?

Andrew: He’s just Pettigrew. He’s a tool to be honest.

Eric: Yeah, which means he’s not going to die. Also, like, if he had like a girlfriend and family and everybody loved him, he’d probably die, following the JKR rule.

Andrew: I was saying the exact opposite, that, in fact he’s got nothing to lose.

Laura: I think he will die. [laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, so, why not go back…

Laura: I think he will die.

Andrew: …why not go back on his debt?

Eric: I’d like to see Pettigrew dying for Harry’s cause. I would like to see Snape die for Harry’s cause.

Andrew: But he won’t. Snape is evil.

Eric: But, I would like to see, yeah, both. But Pettigrew filling his debt, it’s just a question of – I don’t know, he might find the courage to – I don’t know that it will stand up to Voldemort, but he did stand up to Sirius and Remus in the Shrieking Shack. There was a point where he did… Did he not say something that was something to the effect of, you know, he gets no respect or something? And then it was…

Laura: I don’t remember that specifically.

Eric: He said a lot of crazy things. He said a lot of crazy things and especially like the whole, you know, “I made a better rat,” and then Sirius told him that’s nothing to brag about. But at the same time, I think it’s just the future and how Pettigrew repays his debt I think just depends on what he’ll see as good and evil when the time comes. And I don’t think he’s necessarily a good person. So…

Wormtail’s Fate

Andrew: And beginning to wrap this up: What will his fate be in Book 7? There’s so many different ways this could go. [laughs] He could completely bail out, like I was just saying. He’s got nothing to lose. Why not run off again? Not… I’d hate to say commit suicide.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I mean, with anyone, it’s kind of depressing, but…

Eric: I just realized something.

Andrew: What’s that?

[Eric laughs]

Eric: He can’t… whatever he’s been doing and whatever he does, he can’t be seen to the public! Because that would mean that Sirius Black was innocent if he were still alive. Whatever he does, he can’t show himself to the wizard public. Do you guys agree with that? Because…

Andrew: But people…

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Because it would create the gradual unlinking and show that…

Laura: Well, that was why they killed Bertha Jorkins at the beginning of Goblet of Fire.

Eric: Exactly! So, whatever he’s been doing lately, he had to be utter, über top secret with it. And whatever he does in the future has to be… Maybe, I don’t know, but maybe he actually has to – maybe he’ll come forward or something in the future. I don’t know. But…

Laura: I think he’s going to die, personally.

Eric: Maybe he will. But the fact is, that’s what sucked about Book 3, was that nobody knew that Pettigrew was alive and they couldn’t prove it.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: But if they saw Pettigrew, I mean, that alone would have some value at least in the wizard public’s understanding of what’s been going on and at least they’re, you know, they’re kind of getting to know that Dumbledore had been telling the truth the whole time.

Laura: Mhm.

Micah: I don’t see Pettigrew really straying from Voldemort very much in the next book. And like Laura said, I think if he repays Harry at all, it’s almost going to be by mistake. And if he does die, I really don’t know who’s going to kill him either. I mean, it could be any of the Marauders, it could be Voldemort for accidentally repaying Harry somehow. But in the end, I really think that he’s a goner.

Andrew: You know, when you think about it, to quote Micah next week:

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: “Someone’s got to whack him off.”

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: That’s all there is to it.

Micah: It was last week, not next week.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I said last week!

[Micah laughs]

Eric: [still laughing] You said next week!

Laura: [still laughing] No, you said next week!

Eric: “To quote Micah next week…”

Andrew: We record episodes in the future, and Episode 26 was actually before Episode 25, and that’s how it works.

[Everyone laugh]

Andrew: I think that just about wraps that discussion up. Anything else you guys want to cover?

Laura: I think we covered him pretty well. I mean…

Andrew: Okay, I’m out of here. Bye!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No… We’ve still got way more to do.

Andrew’s Listener Challenge

Andrew: Andrew’s Listener Challenge update for this week: we’ve gotten – well I’ve gotten – many emails from people asking questions about their segments. In case you didn’t listen to Episode 25, I started a brand new contest this week – well, starting this week, where you will create a MuggleCast segment that will go onto the show!

So to just touch on a couple of things here: Your segment must not be any longer than seven minutes in length. It must relate to Harry Potter in some way, shape, or form. Your segment must be turned in no later than February 18, 11:59 PM Eastern Standard Time. So get a start on them now!

Winners will have their segment aired on MuggleCast, as I mentioned before. And all participating hosts will win a shiny MuggleCast tee-shirt. They are beautiful. They really are. I love them.

Laura: They are really nice.

Eric: They are!

Laura: I really like mine.

Andrew: So if anyone has any other questions, you can always email them to andrew at staff dot mugglenet dot com. Good luck, and we cannot wait to hear your segments.

The Las Vegas Minute

Andrew: Now it’s time for the Las Vegas Minute! We haven’t had time – we haven’t done one of these in a while. And then we’ll wrap it all up with a fine, fine Dueling Club. The reason we’re… we’re only going to do these Las Vegas Minutes when we have actually something to say. And that is…

Eric: Okay, I’m going to time it.

Andrew: Go ahead.

Eric: Are you ready?

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Okay, Andrew. Go. [Eric’s watch beeps]

Andrew: Space is running out for you to sign up for Lumos 2006. So if you are interested in going, we are going to be there, we are going to do the live podcast. That is the final decision. There hasn’t been, like, an official announcement through Lumos yet, but they’re working on, you know, all this stuff, and we’re going to post lots of information on MuggleCast.com. But! Please register soon if you’re interested because space is running out.

Eric: Thirty seconds.

Andrew: Space is running out, space is running out! So get… [laughs]

Laura: Not to mention that the rates get higher…

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: …the longer you wait.

Andrew: And the hotels…

Eric: They only get higher.

Laura: Right now, it’s $160. And sometime – in May I want to say? it jumps to $180.

Eric: Yeah. Quick!

Andrew: The hotels are running out too. And we really… if you think you can come, then come, then. Because this – the place is beautiful where we are all staying at and where the convention is being held.

Eric: Okay, okay. I’m going too. Bye.

Andrew: A huge group of MuggleNet-ers will be here.

Eric: Time! It’s one minute.

Andrew: Oh, oh. You are going Eric?

Eric: Do you guys actually time this?

Andrew: Yeah.

Eric: Yeah, yeah. I’m going.

Andrew: Oh, I wasn’t aware of that.

Eric: I’m going. My whole family’s going. My mom and sister and me are going.

Andrew: Oh, that’s nice! I get to meet the Sculls! And just real quick!

Eric: Yeah!

Andrew: It’s funny because Eric and I just realized that we’re both [laughs] about 45 minutes away from Philly.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: So, we’re going to try and meet up and record a couple of these shows together. Because I know he tends to rant a lot…

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: …so this way I can actually punch him when he starts to go off too much.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So.

Eric: Like Sock’em…

Laura: Yeah, I’m actually going to be in D.C. in May!

Andrew: Are you?

Laura: So we should all, we should all get together and do…

Eric: Yay!

Laura: …do a group recording.

Eric: For some reason, I’m getting the image of like, Sock’em Boppers with Andrew and Eric sitting at, like, a café…

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: That’s what I was doing, although Eric wouldn’t punch back.

Eric: …you know, punch and like my jaw comes off and… No, I wouldn’t do that.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: My hands, my hands would be holding Book 6, or something.

Andrew: Of course.

Dueling Club

Andrew: So now, moving on to this week’s Dueling Club. We had this idea where instead of deciding who we would duel beforehand, two of us would throw a name out there and then we’d compare the two. So…

Eric: Huh.

Andrew: …you guys want to try this?

Eric: Sure!

Andrew: I thought it would be- I thought it would bring a little bit more excitement to the premises.

Laura: Okay.

Andrew: So me and… Who wants to go? Who wants to fight me?

Laura: I don’t know. [laughs]

Andrew: And then we have to defend our own character.

Laura: I’m intimidated.

Eric: All right, Nymphadora Tonks.

Andrew: No! No, no. You don’t get it. You have to say it at the same time as someone else.

Eric: Laura, do you have your character?

Laura: Let me think. Mmmm… Yeah.

Micah: 3, 2, 1…

Eric: Petunia.

Laura: [At the same time as Eric] Bellatrix Lestrange. [laughs]

Eric: Petunia and Bellatrix. What do we think?

Andrew: [laughs] Petunia and Bellatrix?

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Eric: That was… see? This was good! Andrew!

Andrew: Who chose Petunia?

Eric: I did. She’s not the… [laughs] she’s not the ordinary… She’s not the ordinary Auntie, but at the same time, I think anybody battling Bellatrix – you know, Bellatrix probably has the upper hand.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Just because she’s so more evil and more, you know? But…

Laura: Yeah, I was about to say that I think that Bellatrix would pretty much PWN Petunia.

Andrew: Micah, it’s me and you now. Let me gather my thoughts here for a moment.

Eric: And I’ll…

Andrew: Okay, gathered.

Eric: You ready?

Andrew: You got one, Micah?

Micah: Yeah, I’m ready.

Eric: Okay, guys.

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: Andrew. Micah.

Andrew: Yes.

Eric: Play safe. Play fair. Okay. 3, 2…

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: …1, shoot.

Andrew: Luna Lovegood.

Micah: [At the same time as Andrew] Dobby.

Eric: Luna Lovegood and Dobby!

Andrew: Ooo…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Well, we haven’t really seen much from Dobby, besides… well, okay. He’s got…

Eric: Yeah, we have!

Andrew: He’s relatively powerful.

Eric: He took down Lucius Malfoy.

Andrew: Good, Micah. You defend him. You said it. [laughs]

Micah: Well, he’s relatively powerful.

Andrew: Mhm.

Micah: You know, we saw what he did to Lucius.

Andrew: Mhm, right.

Micah: At least in the movie, I don’t know.

Laura: He did it in the book, too.

Micah: Okay. And…

Eric: He made him lose his hair tie.

Micah: He just… He just seemed once he was sort of set free, we’ve seen more things from him throughout the books. And we talked about this, I think, in another episode. We’re not really sure exactly what type of powers that house-elves possess. But based upon how he’s just able to shoot his hand out and send Lucius flying down the hallway, I think he would be able to handle Luna pretty well.

Andrew: Actually, I would have to agree with that. [laughs] Because…

Laura: What happened to defending your character?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Well, because I didn’t… see, this is the thing. You don’t know who you’re going to put them up against!

Micah: He wasn’t ready for the Dobster.

Andrew: Yeah.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: I wasn’t. I was defeated.

Laura: That’s fun. That’s fun! We should do that again.

Andrew: I don’t know… Yeah! Wait!

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: I’ve got to defend Luna now! I’ve got to stick up for her a little bit. So…

Eric: Her father is an editor and he can slander Dobby all he wants to. So nobody would know – even, even, even if the truth was that Dobby PWN’d Luna, you know, nobody would know about it. Everybody would read the Quibbler and then it would be like, “Oh! Luna just whooped that elf’s patinski.”

Andrew: I think Luna just seems too unsure about herself to really be able to fight.

Eric: But she could hear the voices and see the Thestrals.

Andrew: Yes, because that’s because she’s weird.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But that doesn’t suggest…

Laura: Hey.

Andrew: …that she’s a powerful wizard.

Laura: Weird is good.

Eric: Ohhh…

Andrew: I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it doesn’t mean that [gets cut off]

Laura: You kind of broke out there for a second. [laughs]

Andrew: I didn’t say she was mean, I’m just saying that she was…she’s not…that doesn’t mean she’s a powerful wizard.

Laura: No, it doesn’t.

Andrew: Why’d I pick her? [laughs]

Laura: But we can assume…

Eric: [laughs] Andrew’s like, “Why did I pick Luna?”

Laura: No, no, no! Seriously. Because we know that her mom used to do tests with all these really powerful spells. So her mom must not have, you know, been too shabby at magic.

Eric: Actually, yeah. And who knows what that, you know… I think Luna’s very powerful. I think we’ll see more from Luna.

Andrew: We have not seen Luna as a bad person. As a bad wizard.

Eric: Why would we?

Andrew: Just I don’t know, there could have been an occurrence.

Eric: Oh.

Andrew: So it’s completely possible that in Book 7, she ends up, you know, making a comeback.

Eric: I think she could.

Micah: Now what happens if it’s Luna and Dobby versus Petunia and Bellatrix?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh, that’s too complex. I can’t…

Eric: No, I think…

Andrew: I think it’s two on one.

Eric: No, Petunia would take down Dobby for being in her hydrangea bushes…

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: Oh yeah.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: … in the beginning of that. She’d be like, I…you left those things in my bushes and… it’s like Whack-A-Mole.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, can we stop using that word, please?

Eric: It’s like Whack-A-Mole, for Petunia.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: She just, she just runs around her yard and…

Andrew: [laughs] That word is officially banned from MuggleCast.

Eric: What word?

Andrew: Whack.

Laura: Whack.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Banned from MuggleCast.

Eric: But it’s like Whack-A-Mole! I’m going to do that, I’m going to go on Macromedia Fireworks or whatever and I’m going to play with it. I’m going to come up with a game that’s like Whack-A-Mole with Petunia with a broom…

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: Oh dear god…

Eric: …and she’s like running around the back. And, like, Aunt Marge is floating around in the background and, it’s like…

Andrew: All right, well thank you, Eric.

Eric: …to continue…

Show Close

Andrew: So, is there anything else you guys wanted to discuss this week? It was a busy news week. It definitely was. Micah, you were busy in your news center this week.

Micah: I really was. I’m going to have to read all of those names, too, that we couldn’t pronounce before. [laughs]

Andrew: Aw yeah. [laughs] Good luck with that.

Micah: Thanks.

Andrew: Well, guys, I think that does just about do it for Episode 26 of MuggleCast. I’m…

Micah: One more thing.

Andrew: Oh, what’s that, Micah?

Micah: I just… I wasn’t the only one who came up with those questions there. Kim Parker, from Leaky

Andrew: [laughs] Oh my god, you’re kidding.

Micah: [laughs] You want to talk about…

Eric: Oh yes, you’ve got… Yes.

Micah: She did a good job on some of those questions, so we just wanted to thank her.

Andrew: Oh, okay.

Laura: Thanks, Kim.

Eric: Thank you, Kim.

Micah: Because they did help out with the discussion.

Andrew: Kim hurt my feelings last week, in the Leaky Lounge. But I won’t go into that.

[Laura and Micah laugh]

Andrew: So…

Eric: You just did.

Andrew: No, remember I said I won’t go into it.

Laura: I hurt your feelings weekly…

Micah: It’s going to magically disappear from this conversation.

[Andrew laughs]

Laura: …and you’re not mean to me.

Andrew: [laughs] So thank you, Kim. Sorry we couldn’t get the pre-show out for you.

[Andrew and Micah laugh]

Eric: Hey! Hey! Hey.

Andrew: Ooo! Speaking of pre-show…

Eric: Andrew…

Andrew: Speaking of pre-show, how could I almost forgot! How could I forget to mention? The Muggle – the LIVE podcast video from New York City is now out and available for your viewing pleasure on MuggleCast.com. So definitely go and check that out. It’s – they are pretty big video files. If you’re a dial-up user, you’re going to have to go over to a friend’s house or at school to watch them. But…

Eric: Yeah, Andrew, I heard you took a screenshot…

Andrew: It’s…

Eric: …I heard you took a screenshot of your computer uploading, like…

Andrew: Yeah, because people are so desperate…

Eric: …saying and then it came out.

Andrew: On AndrewSimz.com, yes. So many people…

Eric: But it came out a week later, anyways.

Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. [laughs] I said a few days, I didn’t want to be very specific. Definitely check those out. It’s a very fun video. You see us doing the podcast and you see the crowd. Everyone’s so excited. You see Eric, because Eric was, like, right in front of the camera. [laughs] So once again, I am Andrew Sims.

Eric: I am Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Andrew [Show Close with music in background]: By the way, I was just getting kidding earlier. I didn’t fire Ben. [laughs]

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: However, I could. [laughs] No, probably not.

Eric: [laughs] He could…

Andrew: He’d probably body slam me, and then I’d be like, [in a breathy voice] “Okay!”

Eric: Ben hired you. [laughs]

Andrew: Ben did hire me for MuggleNet, that’s true. But I hired him for MuggleCast. So he’ll be back for next week, hopefully. Kevin will be back. And Ciaran will be back. Ciaran’s in London this week. He’s doing something London-ish that is unspeakable. So, thanks everyone for listening and we will see you next week for Episode 27. Goodbye!

Laura: Adios!

Eric: Goodbye!

Micah: Bye.

Eric: Okay. [laughs] Goodbye! Goodbye!

Andrew: Stop. Stop.

Eric: Goodbye! Goodbye now.


Andrew: Listen as Laura, Eric, and Micah try to figure out how to host the show without me.

Andrew: We have this girl – Evanna… [laughs] I don’t have her full name up right now.

[Phone rings]

Andrew: Whoops!

Laura: Lynch.

Andrew: Hold on one second.

Micah: She’s calling you.

Andrew: I know! She’s calling! Oh my god! [laughs]

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Hold on a second.

Eric: Let’s get her on the show.

Andrew: Here, you guys can talk… no, actually, you guys can talk – yeah. You guys can talk about her. Go ahead.

Eric: Ummm.

[Long pause]

Laura: What’d you guys think of her?

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: I thought fine.

Laura: Don’t laugh at me. I’m trying to start a conversation here.

[Micah laughs]

Eric: I… no. They had her on – when we linked to her on MuggleNet, we did that other article we found about, that was supposedly about her, you know, and Harry Potter?

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: Do you remember that? And then…

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: …so I thought that was pretty cool, like she’s clearly a Harry Potter fan…

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: …which is good, because there are some girls who would show up for the audition and not know a single thing about it and, you know, really rip all the die-hard fans slash actresses off.

Laura: Yeah! And I mean, we know that there are actors in the movie who haven’t read the book. So I’m…

Micah: Like good old Michael Gambon.

Eric: Thank you, Micah.

Laura: And Tom Felton, and about [laughs] half the other people in it.

Micah: Well…

Eric: Yeah, but you know what? They’ve all read it now, and that’s… Well, except maybe Michael Gambon, but then that’s just, you know…

Micah: Wow, this is really just, like…

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Eric: No. No.

Laura: [in a sarcastic voice] This is going great, guys!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: The second Andrew leaves… no. No.

Laura: This is top-notch content, right here.

Eric: Okay, guys, though. Guys, though. What about the James?

Micah: You know this is all going at the end, right? [laughs]

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: Yeah. Don’t say anything…

Eric: Guys.

Laura: You know, I try to get conversation starters going, and you two just sit there.

Eric: Okay.

Micah: Well, there’s a lot of new people here.

Eric: Yeah. Guys, let’s…

Micah: We’ve lost our leader.

Eric: What do you think about James?

Laura: [laughs] I know.

Eric: The James casting.

Laura: Fearless leader. We can’t do anything without him.

Eric: Am I even here anymore?

Micah: He’s busy on the phone with Evanna.

Eric: I’m not even here anymore, am I?

[Micah and Laura laugh]

Laura: Well, what do you guys think of the way she looks? Like, do you think… Does she look the way you imagined Luna to look? Or no? Maybe? Kind of?

[Long pause, in which typing noises are heard]

Micah: I can hear you typing.

Laura: I can’t hear you, Eric. Yeah, I can hear you typing, but…

Eric: Well, because I brought up like one hundred thousand points and nobody heard me.

Andrew: We hear you, Eric!

Laura: I didn’t hear it at all. [laughs]

Micah: Yeah, I didn’t hear anything.

Andrew: I’m back.

Eric: Good. Andrew, I think when you muted me, I think that totally…

Andrew: I didn’t mute anyone.

Eric: Oh. Well…

Andrew: I muted my mic.

Eric: Yeah, I think that might have muted me.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Andrew: I hit the little red button on my microphone.

Eric: Well I’m sorry! But your little red button is like…controls me.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: And my computer.

Andrew: Okay.

Micah: Andrew, I think we just took care of the bloopers for the end of your show.

Andrew: Did you? Oh, okay…

Micah: In those last three minutes. [laughs]

Andrew: Okay.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: So what’d you guys talk about?

Laura: [laughs] Nothing!

Andrew: Oh. [laughs] Okay.

Laura: I’m like sitting here trying to start this, and they both just sit there. And I’m like, what the hell.

Andrew: You sitting ducks. You losers. Okay, here. Should we start that again…

Laura: Yes, just do it again.

Andrew: …and then Eric can bring up his three million points?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Okay.

[Long pause]

Andrew: How did I intro Luna? I forget now.


Andrew: And then the other people who were cast were [mispronounces] “Natalee-a Teena”… [laughs]

[Micah, Andrew, and Laura laugh]

Eric: [pronounces correctly] “Natalia.”

Andrew: [pronounces correctly] “Natalia.”

Eric: Natal… [pronounces incorrectly] “Natalee-a.”

Andrew: Natal… how do you say it? [laughs]

Laura: Natalia.

Andrew: Natalia?

Laura: Not [pronounces it the incorrect way] “Natalee-a.”

Eric: It’s [pronounces it incorrectly] “Natalee-a.”

[Micah laughs]

Eric: No, it really is.

Laura: Natalia? [laughs]

Eric: I know her personally. It’s [pronounces it incorrectly] “Natalee-a.” Like Andrew said it was.

Andrew: Natalia [pronounces incorrectly] “Teena”? [pronounces correctly] Tena?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Oh, forget it!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Natalia! Natalia! Haven’t you ever seen Golden Eye?

Andrew: No! Natalia Tena?

Micah: Who does she play in Golden Eye?

Andrew: Who cares, that’s the question.

Eric: No, Natalia was the name… [laughs]

Micah: Oh.

Eric: Natalia was the Bond girl in Golden Eye.

Micah: Yeah.

Eric: Anyway, I’m sorry.

Andrew: Uhhh… [laughs]


Eric: That wasn’t an attack on Ben, by the way. I felt bad, but I have no problem with Ben editing the show.

Andrew: Awww, I can’t believe I lost this.

Eric: As I had mentioned earlier, I think the problem with last week’s show was content – actually what we did talk about or didn’t talk about, rather than the quality of the show. So forgive me, Ben. Because he’s going to listen and be like, “Oh! That hurt, Eric.”

Andrew: He’s not going to listen. I’m not putting this part in. Just tell him over AIM.

[Micah laughs]

Andrew: Seriously.

Laura: Who’s editing this week?

Andrew: Me.

Micah: Yeah.

Laura: Thank god.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: You guys! I’m like, “I’m sorry Ben!”, and you’re all like, “THANK GOD!”


Written by: Micah, Ally, Martina, and Sarah

Episode 26

Peter Pettigrew – not your average garden rat. While it is clear that Wormtail aligns himself with those in power, it seems unclear as to which Death Eater the Dark Lord trusts more: Snape or Wormtail? Plus, while Andrew spy’s on a First Lady, just who was spying on who at Spinner’s End? And will Wormtail’s silver hand play an instrumental role in repaying Harry’s debt?

From Evanna Lynch to Imelda Staunton…all that and more ahead with Andrew, Eric, Laura, and Micah on this week’s edition of MuggleCast.

  • We discuss the Black Family Tree donation by JKR to Book Aid
  • Order of the Phoenix casting rundown
  • It’s February – vote for us on Podcast Alley
  • Stop by our store and buy some shirts
  • We pitch our new Editorial Segment
  • Support OperationSudan.org: a site created by Laura and Elysa to raise awareness and support the crisis in Sudan
  • Main Discussion – Peter Pettigrew
  • What drew him to Lord Voldemort?
  • Why did Dumbledore let him become Secret Keeper?
  • If he was all about self-protection, why wasn’t he in Slytherin?
  • Does courage always have to be shown in a good light?
  • How much magical ability does he possess?
  • Why did the Marauders befriend him?
  • Why was he allowed into the Order? How did they treat him?
  • How did he get to the Weasleys?
  • Why didn’t he attack Harry before revealing himself in Prisoner of Azkaban?
  • Who is trusted more by Voldemort: Snape or Wormtail?
  • Was Snape spying on Wormtail or Wormtail on Snape?
  • How will he repay his debt to Harry? Who is his silver hand meant for?
  • What will his fate be in Book 7?
  • Dueling Club is back with a new format
  • Petunia (Eric) vs. Bellatrix (Laura) and Dobby (Micah) vs. Luna Lovegood (Andrew)
  • “You weren’t ready for the Dobster!”
  • Andrew’s Listener Challenge update
  • Las Vegas Minute

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MuggleCast EP25 Transcript


Ben [Show Intro with music in background]: This is MuggleCast – Episode 25 for January 29th, 2006. This week’s show is sponsored in part by GoDaddy.com, your No. 1 source for all of your Internet needs. GoDaddy.com has domain names, transfers, and renewals for as low as $1.99. Plus, check out their hosting plans, website builders, secure certificates and much more! Plus as a MuggleCast listener, enter the code MUGGLE, that’s M-U-G-G-L-E, when you check out and save an additional 10% on any order. Get your piece of the Internet today at GoDaddy.com.

Also this week, we’re very happy to introduce our first-ever MuggleCast T-shirts. Be the person people notice – in a good way – walking down the street, by supporting the show. Our T-shirts come in two different styles and three clothing types – regular T-shirts, long-sleeved, and women’s fitted. Just go to MuggleCast.com and click on “Store” at the top to order. And with that, let’s start the show.

John: Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of MuggleCast. I’m your favorite MuggleNetter, MuggleNet Greg, bringing it to you this week.

[Everyone acts puzzled]

Andrew: Ummm, I’m Andrew Sims.

Ben: Ummm, I’m Ben Schoen.

Eric: I once was a man named Eric Scull.

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson.

Micah: And I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Laura: Ummm.

Andrew: Ummm.

Ben: MuggleNet Greg?

Andrew: Hold on.

John: Muggle… Yeah.

Andrew: MuggleNet Greg? Yeah. Hey!

John: Did I miss my cue here, boys? I apologize.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: No, no. You did fine. Just…did anyone invite you this week? Or… This is sort of…

John: I did get that postcard in the mail the other day.

Andrew: Oh…oh, right. Right.

Eric: He’s MuggleNet Greg. He doesn’t need an invitation.

Andrew: Right. That’s cool.

John: Is there…

Andrew: Okay.

Eric: He doesn’t need an invitation.

John: Ummm.

Andrew: Alright. Well, if you want to host, just…

Ben: But dude, hold on.

Andrew: …go ahead.

Ben: Hold on. MuggleNet Greg…

John: Alright.

Ben: Wait a second.

John: What?

Ben: MuggleNet Greg sounds an awful lot like someone else.

John: No, surely you must be mistaken. There’s only one MuggleNet Greg.

Andrew: No, he sounds like MuggleNet Greg.

John: There’s only one MuggleNet Greg.

Andrew: I’ve heard…I’ve heard MuggleNet Greg on PotterCast. I know he’s for real.

Ben: But who is that guy from The Leaky Cauldron, from PotterCast. What’s his name?

Andrew: Kim Blaire?

Ben: No, no, no.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: His other name.

John: They have a podcast. When did they have one?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I know. It’s total crap.

Andrew: iMuggle? [laughs, then yells] I’M CONFUSED! THERE’S TOO MANY MUGGLES!

Ben: Well, there is only one good one.

John: Yes.

[Laura and John laugh]

Ben: Okay, the jig is up. Guys, the jig is up.

John: The jig’s up.

Ben: Joining us this week is PotterCast’s John Noe.

[Andrew laughs]

John: Oh my, you just spilled the beans.

Ben: He’s now MuggleCast Pyromaniac – that’s his nickname.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: For those of you who don’t know, John almost burned down his dorm last week.

[Everyone laughs]

John: No, that’s probably getting a little over-exaggerated there.

Ben: Oh whatever, dude. The fire department had to come and his windows were bursting out, and flames were everywhere.

[Andrew laughs]

John: Only three kids jumped from the balcony.

[Everyone laughs]

John: But, that was not my fault. They over-reacted. They would have jumped anyway.

Ben: Okay guys, enough chitchat. Let’s go to Micah for the News.


Micah: Thanks, Ben.

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has now climbed to No. 9 on the list of the highest-grossing films of all time, one place behind Chamber of Secrets. The fourth movie has accumulated more than $286m domestically and over $589 million overseas, bringing its international total to $874.9 million, roughly $2 million behind the second Harry Potter film.

Each year, NBC’s morning news show asks special guests to sign a coffee table book to sell for charity. The 2005 book includes signatures from Dan Radcliffe and Emma Watson and is currently up for auction on eBay. All proceeds will go the Lupus Foundation of America (LFA).

Jo Rowling attended a press conference in the Romanian government’s Victoria palace in Bucharest this past week. At the press conference in Bucharest, Jo spoke about her concerns for the mental and physical well-being of children in Eastern European orphanages. She said, “There is now widespread agreement among child health experts that irreparable long-term damage is caused to young children who are institutionalized without a parent.”

Yahoo! News reported that during the charity dinner in Bucharest, the Harry Potter author raised a €170,000 by auctioning off six signed Harry Potter books and purchasing a famous Brazilian footballer’s shirt. A number of photos from the event can be seen through various sources over on MuggleNet.com.

Voting for the 2006 AOL Moviefone Moviegoer Awards is now open. Nominations are in the areas of Movie of the Year (Goblet of Fire), Actor of the Year (Dan Radcliffe), Actress of the Year (Emma Watson), Best Scene-Stealer (Brendan Gleeson), and Vilest Villain (Ralph Fiennes).

Warner Bros. has announced that the Goblet of Fire DVD will be released on March 20th in Britain. Here in the U.S., it will hit shelves on March 7th.

Earlier this week it was confirmed that Katie Leung, the actress who portrays Cho Chang will be back for Order of the Phoenix.

In book news, the Polish translation of Half-Blood Prince was released to eager fans in a thousand bookstores across the country yesterday at midnight on January 29th.

Yesterday’s Daily Telegraph has a early preview of what we will be seeing at this year’s Book Aid International Auction, benefiting the poorest countries in the world. JK Rowling is one of the authors who are participating in the donation of a special item related to their books. Her item is a handwritten version of the Black Family Tree. The auction will be held in London on February 21st.

Finally, be sure to head over to JKRowling.com as the Harry Potter author has updated both her Diary and News sections this past week.

That’s all the news for this January 29th, 2006 edition of MuggleCast. Back to the show.

Ben: Thanks, Micah.


Ben: Now, let’s go to the Announcements. This week we have tons of announcements, right, Andrew? Maybe two.

Eric: Yeah, all three of them.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: Do you want to do one, Andrew? Do you want to do an announcement?

John: I want Eric to do one. I want Eric to do one.

Andrew: MuggleNet Greg, hold up for a second. First of all guys, I have a bone to pick with you.

John: MuggleNet Greg says…

Andrew: What’s going on? Joe Vitale beating us on Podcast Alley. What is up with this? I mean it’s… [laughs] Who is this?

John: I happen to like Joe Vitale. He’s this guy who commentates on sports, on college basketball.

Ben: No, no, that’s Dick Vitale.

Micah: Yeah.

Ben: That’s Dick Vitale.

John: No.

Ben: He’s like, “I smell upset city, BABY!”

John: Yeah. [laughs] That guy.

Ben: “Yeah!”

John: Isn’t that that guy?

Andrew: This is Joe.

Ben: No.

John: Oh, son of a gun.

Ben: But the point is, the point is…

John: It’s his brother Joe.

Ben: ..we’re sucking it up on Podcast Alley and we need your help.

Andrew: We haven’t asked in a few weeks.

Ben: Go out and vote for MuggleCast on PodcastAlley.com.

John: Yeah.

[Ben and Andrew laugh]

John: And if you forget how to spell MuggleCast, you can probably type in PotterCast. You know, it’s the same thing – Harry Potter.

Andrew: Oh, I knew this would happen. Lots of shameless plugs.

[Laura laughs]

John: It’s all good.

Andrew: [Laughs] Yeah.

John: Shameless nothing.

Ben: [Laughs] Yeah. Hey Eric, Eric, Eric, did you have something to say – an announcement of some sort?

Andrew: [Whispers]: Just don’t talk.

Eric: Andrew can do it if he wants to.

Andrew: As we mentioned last week, don’t forget, we have our MuggleCast Remix, which is basically a look back at all the past episodes – from Episodes 1 to 23, I believe it is.

John: Woo-hoo! Golly!

Andrew: Yeah, aren’t you impressed? [laughs]

Eric: Cool beans.

John: Oh, funny.

Eric: You should check it out, though.

Andrew: Yeah. It was headed by Eric Scull.

Eric: Hooray.

Andrew: You put in all the hours in on it and we recommend everyone check it out. It’s long, it’s not just, you know, your average everyday remix. It’s a MuggleCast remix. We don’t mess around.

Eric: That’s right. That’s right. [starts humming]

Andrew: So, check that out on the MuggleCast site at MuggleCast.com. [Says something that can’t be understood] Oh, I screwed it up!

[Eric says something weird]

Andrew: Over to you Ben.

Main Discussion – Ronald Weasley

Ben: Over to me. Oh geez, what’s going on this week, Andrew? Oh yeah, at the end of each show I always comes up with some random character and we end up discussing them. This week, it is Ron.

Andrew: Oooh.

Ben: So, it’s time to go on to our Main Discussion of the week. Oooh. Throw the confetti everywhere. Yay! Main Discussion time.

[Laura laughs]

Ben: Andrew, do you have, what’s that one site? HP-Lexicon? Do you have that up?

Andrew: Oh, you mean…part of the Floo Network, which is also in affiliation with The Leaky Cauldron.

John: Oh, I’ve heard very good things.

Eric: Okay, stop plugging. Honestly.

John: Well, we’re not called that anymore.

Andrew: What?

John: We changed the name.

Andrew: What do you call it?

John: Yeah.

Eric: It’s MuggleNetGreg.org.

John: It is Leaky News, LeakyNews.com.

Andrew: Oh, right. I thought you were talking about the network got changed. But anyway… [coughs]

John: Noooo. [laughs]

Andrew: He was born March 01, 1980. He’s a pureblood…

John: Ohhh.

Andrew: …with five brothers and one sister, blue eyes, and green hair? Oh no, red hair.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: And in the book he’s described as a tall, red-hair, and gangly…gangling…gangling…

Ben: Gangling…with freckles, big hands and feet, and a long nose.

Andrew: What on Earth? [laughs] I’m sorry, but that’s kind of raunch.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: His Patronus is a Jack Russell Terrier. His Boggart is a spider.

John: “Boe-gart.”

Ben: And in the future…whatever it is. And in the future he wants to pursue a career as an Auror.

Time stamping The Series

Eric: I wanted to start off this week, since it’s Ron, and since I’m back, and I’m happy to be back and all that crap. I mean, all that stuff. I wanted to start off by saying I noticed…

Ben: Steal the show?

Eric: …when you were going to the Lexicon stuff, you said Ron’s birthday was the first of March, 1980. Now, I for one, don’t agree or never really have agreed with labeling dates.

Ben: Put a timestamp on the series?

Eric: Putting a timestamp on the series. Right. This whole 1980 thing, and I realize, you know, the main reason is the 500 years since Nick died, and you know, 1492, and that kind of stuff, but I really don’t think there is substantial evidence. And I think in the first few books, there had been people who had proved that she was purposefully trying to make the series unplottable. So, do you guys agree with this whole timestamp thing: from 1955 to 1970, the Marauders went to school, and…

Andrew: Yeah, it makes it feel old.

Ben: I don’t like it.

Eric: Yeah, I really don’t like it either.

Ben: Personally, I think it takes away from the timelessness of the series.

Andrew: Right. That was so ‘99.

Eric: Not only that…

Ben: Yeah, whenever, whenever you read it, you want to make it feel like it’s happening right now. Not that, “Oh yeah, this was 1983,” this is happening.

[Eric laughs]

John: I don’t think Jo’s too up into that.

[Andrew starts singing “I Want To Party Like It’s 1999”]

Eric: Yeah, Jo hasn‘t really, like she hasn’t come out said…she hasn’t confirmed it. I mean, has she?

John: I think she’s on the fence because she doesn’t really give recent dates, but then she puts in stuff like, “Yeah, you know, Dudley got a PlayStation for Christmas.”

Eric: Well, right.

Laura: Yeah.

John: That’s going to be irrelevant in twenty years, ten years even.

Eric: Well that’s…

John: Playstation what? PlayStation 5? It doesn’t say.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: But isn’t there a timeline on one of the Harry Potter DVDs?

John: Yeah.

Eric: I think so.

John: There’s going to be one on the new one too.

Eric: But it’s a question about…

Andrew: Yeah, so, what’s going on there? Who proved all that? That’s always been a big question, hasn’t it?

Eric: Yeah, I think it’s a matter of…

John: I think they can for the third one or the second one, that Jo helped them out with that thing. The timeline.

Eric: I think JK is starting to give in.

Andrew: I guess, just basically what we’re trying to say is that even if Jo confirms it, we still see it as a little strange to date the book. Because that’s basically what it is.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: And that’s like saying, you know…

Andrew: I agree with Ben that it throws you off. You don’t, it doesn’t feel…well it doesn’t completely ruin it, but you don’t get that current feeling.

Ben: It’s not as timeless, yeah. You don’t feel…like when I’m reading the books, I want to feel like it’s happening right now, that I’m with Harry, that type of thing. Where, when Harry’s fifteen… For example when the last couple books have came out, I was the same age as Harry.

Laura: Mhm, same.

Ben: I don’t know, it just felt like…

John: Awww.

Ben: I want to think that it’s happening right now, rather then “Oh yeah, this was ‘X’ number of years ago.”

Laura: Oh yeah, I completely agree with that. I mean it’s that whole feeling of growing up with the series and being the same age as Harry when you read the books. I’ve never really thought too much about the timeline on it. I’m pretty indifferent to it because when I read the books, it’s about reading the books. I don’t really care what timeframe it’s happening in.

Eric: And I think with…

John: Yeah.

Ben: Because since the books are still being released, I think that takes away from…that adds to the timelessness of it too because right now, since we don‘t know what’s happened even though theoretically in the series, it may be in the past, we still feel that it’s still in the future for us. If you get what I’m saying. If you catch my drift.

Laura: Mhm.

Eric: Yeah, and you can’t say that JKR didn’t use current events to influence what she writes.

John: Yeah. So like, your timeline and all this stuff has actually already happened years ago, that sort of thing.

Andrew: Yep. So back to Ron.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: That was very impromptu. That wasn’t on the schedule, Eric!

Eric: Oh, I’m sorry.

Andrew: You’re killing me.

Eric: Sorry.

Andrew: Prove the world wrong. We do plan our shows out, we do!

John: It’s actually brilliant.

Andrew: Yeah. [laughs]

Ben: Okay, guys, something everyone’s dying to know.

Andrew: Yeah, right.

John: It’s even color-coded. With little clip arts.

Ben: Hey Andrew, Andrew, stop taking away from the show.

Eric: Color-coded black and white.

Would Harry Have Befriended Draco?

Ben: What do you guys think? Did Ron prevent Harry from going to the dark side by becoming friends with him instead of Harry becoming friends with Draco? Basically, if Harry had not have met, yeah, if Harry wouldn’t have met Ron…

Micah: No.

Ben: …on the train, do you think things would be a different story?

Eric: No.

John: No.

Laura: Nope.

Eric: Micah?

Micah: What?

Andrew: Well, he…

Laura: Well, obviously he wouldn’t have Ron, but he wouldn’t have gone to the dark side.

Ben: Doesn’t Harry find strength in his friends, though?

Andrew: And Harry was…

Laura: Yeah, to a degree but…

Andrew: Harry didn’t know… Oh, how do you put this?

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Harry wasn’t sure…[laughs] Okay, if he had become friends with Draco, he would have, he would have…Was it possible for him to get into Slytherin?

Micah: Sure.

Andrew: Okay, so it would have been a completely different ballgame.

Laura: Not necessarily. No, no, because it’s been…a theme that has been presented throughout the all books is that our choices define who we are.

Eric: But you know what, Laura…actually…

Laura: Harry didn’t like Draco, from the moment he met him in Madam Malkins…

Eric: Wait, that’s true but… Wait! Laura, Laura, Laura…

Laura: Harry chose not to be put in Slytherin. I don’t think Harry would allow himself to go over to the dark side.

Eric: Wait, if it weren’t for Ron, he wouldn’t actually know that all the dark wizards were in Slytherin. He might not actually be opposed to Slytherin because he wouldn’t have found out beforehand, before the sorting ceremony, that Slytherin was bad.

John: Hmmm.

Laura: That doesn’t mean he’d be a dark wizard though.

Eric: No I mean, I agree completely and wholeheartedly that he’d be good guy no matter what. But as far as being put in Slytherin because, he might have actually been because if you think about it… I’m just trying to bring more validity to this question because we’ve already talked about how, you know, Harry’s…

John: Well, this question is also saying about…it’s putting it in the context of Ron becoming friends with Harry at the beginning, but I think also we have to remember and at least I hope this actually happened in the book and not just in the movie, [laughs] I haven’t read the first book in a while. Draco making fun of Ron at the beginning.

Eric: Yeah.

John: And just Draco demonstrating the kind of personality he is.

Eric: Yeah.

Laura: Mhm.

John: And I think that initial introduction to Draco like that there…I mean, I know they met at Diagon Alley, or wherever the hell they were trying on clothes, but I think that that’s also one the purposes for the character of Dudley is to parallel these two people in Harry’s mind and that Draco reminded him of Dudley immediately made it clear to Harry this is not someone he wanted to be friends with.

Eric: Oh, and you know what?

John: I think, regardless of whether or not he met Ron he would have known that he wouldn’t like Draco and…

Eric: And that…that was a…

John: While he could have ended up in Slytherin, that really…

Eric: Yeah.

John: I don’t think that would have guaranteed any other choices.

Eric: I like that parallel, MuggleNet Greg.

Laura: Mhm. Yeah, me too.

Micah: Yeah, I completely agree with that. The way he was brought up, I think that he never would befriended Draco to begin with.

Eric: Yeah, he got hand me down clothes just like Rupert did…I mean…sorry…Ron.

John: Exactly.

Eric: Yeah, growing up with Dudley and stuff. So, that was very nice, MuggleNet Greg!

[Andrew laughs]

John: Yeah, MuggleNet Greg is good for one of those every once and a while. Now, I’ll mute for 30 minutes until I think of something else.

Eric: Don’t go mute! Don’t go mute.


Ben: [Laughs] What about Ron’s Quidditch skills? He kind of guided the team in Book 5 to the Quidditch…to the House Cup…to the Quidditch House Cup…whatever you want to call it. The Quidditch Cup I guess. [Laughs] What do you guys think about his Quidditch skills?

Eric: I think it was very cool how Ron was characterized as being the kind of person who, if he lets his emotions get in the way of his Quidditch playing, you know, he can’t do it…he can’t do a thing…and he lets himself get defeated by his own, you know, confidence. But, if he has confidence, he can do anything. I really like…I think that fit with Ron in, you know, the rest of the world, not just Quidditch.

Ben: Anyone else have anything to say?

Laura: Yeah, you pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. So…

John: I think the lessons he’s learning from that about confidence when he’s playing Quidditch is probably going to help him if there is any kind of war scenario in this last book where he’s going to be doing fighting and stuff.

Andrew: Now, when he looked into the Mirror of Erised, was he Captain of the Quidditch team or was he on it?

Eric: That’s the question…

Ben: He was Captain.

Laura: Yeah, he was Captain and he was Head boy and all this other stuff.

Eric: But all this stuff, he actually…you know that’s coming true or something, isn’t it?

Andrew: What’s coming true?

Eric: Isn’t it starting to come…a lot of what he saw in the mirror?

Laura: Well, sort of. He got on the Quidditch team and he became a prefect.

Eric: He’s Head Boy…no he’s not Head boy…he’s a prefect.

John: And didn’t, wasn’t Hermione in the mirror too, with her hands in his pocket, I thought?

Andrew: [Laughs] What?

[Everyone laughs]

Laura: [Laughs] No.

[Everyone is still laughing]

Eric: MuggleNet Greg! That’s dirty!

John: [Laughs] I thought…

Andrew: Report him.

Ben: John doesn’t know that he comes from PotterCast.

Andrew: PotterCast!

Ben: Actually, I’m going to call up iTunes. Call up Jobs and make sure he removes your “Clean” rating from your Podcast.

John: Hey, you know the day they stick us with an “Explicit” tag, is the day our ratings triple.

Eric: That’s true.

John: “PotterCast: Unrated.”

Andrew: Well, I think he’s already…

Harry’s Stupid Little Friend

Ben: Yeah. [laughs] What do you guys think about Ron always being overshadowed by Harry? Everyone’s always viewed him as “Harry’s stupid little friend.” He’s never really made a name for himself, if you guys understand what I’m saying. Do you think Ron will be able to step out from under Harry’s shadow?

John: That’s…

Ben: Because we’ve seen the jealousy towards Harry because, Harry got to be a Triwizard Champion and all of those things.

Laura: I think Ron’s matured beyond that, though.

Eric: Yeah, I think they do view him as a separate person, though. I mean, they realize he’s Harry Potter’s friend and that’s all cool. But, I think, in the later years there are more and more moments where he gains more respect, you know, separately as far as…you know in the fifth book and all those Quidditch triumphs and “Weasley is Our King” and stuff. Those are things that happened to him without Harry.

Laura: Well, Lavender is a perfect example of the fact that people are starting to see him as his own person.

Eric: I really like that, that’s…yeah. So, even though it may have seemed like that at first, the older they grow together, they know more and more about their fellow Gryffindors, you know? They know them more as individual people. The thing about what’s going on with Voldemort is that many things happen to each individual’s family that it really separates them apart. So, you know, when Mr. Weasley got attacked, you know, everybody could see that happened to Ron, and even though, Harry had a lot to do with it. I think that they were separate. Like, Seamus and his mom…basically all the Gryffindors are individually characterized more and more throughout the books. Some people are their own individual people, just generally.

Laura: Uh-huh.

John: Yeah. Well the only real worry about looking at Ron as Harry’s “stupid little friend” is what happened to the characterization of Ron in the movies. That’s where you want to see Harry’s little stupid little friend.

Eric: Yeah.

John: …and watch, you know, number three.

Ben: Yeah.

Andrew: But, Laura’s right, he’s sort of matured out of that, and I think it shows by him becoming a part of the Quidditch team that he’s becoming…

John: Oh yeah, totally.

Andrew: …his own person and building his own reputation.

John: In the books, that’s never supposed to be. I mean, that may be his poor self-image of himself, but he’s supposed to have a lot of positive traits in the books.

Eric: Yeah.

John: They just missed those chapters when they were writing the script.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: [Imitates Ron in a high pitched voice] “My wand, look at my wand!”

John: …up late reading, yeah…

Andrew: Steve Kloves was lazy…oops! Skipped six chapters.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Yeah, that was Columbus…all, like at the press conference, “Yeah, we were going to do the Death Day Party, but…next question, please.”

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Steve was like, what? When did that happen? What? You didn’t see Steve Jobs sneaking out the other side of the limo, you know, during that interview?

Andrew: How does Steve Jobs always make his way into our conversations?

Eric: Not Steve Jobs, I meant Steve Kloves, sorry. I’m sorry, Steve Kloves. Kloves.

John: [Laughs] You have a crush on Steve “Jobes”!

Ben: “Jobes”?

Eric: I don’t even know what he looks like, actually. I’ve never even seen a picture of him.

Ron and Hermione

Ben: Well, guys, speaking of romance, what about Ron in Book 6? He’s sort of started to lay the mack down on Hermione.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: I think he’s desperate at this point…he’s desperate at this point.

Ben: Do you think they are a match or not?

Eric: I don’t think Ron is boyfriend material in certain ways. He is for Hermione and I think that’s why…I mean, I think if it’s Hermione…

Laura: In five years, Eric! [laughs]

Eric: What?

Laura: No, as of right now, Ron… Okay, if I were Hermione, he would drive me up a tree. He would absolutely drive me insane. I would want to strangle him. And I think that Book 6 completely brought that across.

Eric: No, no, no, that’s if you were Laura.

Laura: No!

Eric: If you were Hermione…

[John laughs]

Eric: No, Hermione loves him, she’s…

Laura: I’m sure she does, but she also set off a flock of birds after him. [laughs] I mean, he clearly ticked her off.

Eric: Well he…she has feelings for him and I think if you were Hermione, you would have the same feelings, but if you were Laura, you’d strangle him, and, you know, rightfully so. But, you know…

Laura: I would strangle him regardless, because he’s an idiot sometimes.

John: Are you a man-hater, Laura?

Laura: No!

Eric: You’re a Ron-hater!

Laura: If I were a man-hater, how could I do this show every week? Come on. [laughs]

Eric: You do hate us! You threaten us…

John: That’s a very good point.

Andrew: [laughs] Good point.

Eric: …Andrew has to edit out the death threats. I helped him edit one day and counted all the death threats we get.

Laura: That’s right. Mhm.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

John: Oh, Laura.

Eric: Yeah, people…

Andrew: Let’s pause now for editing.

John: To tease Laura.

Andrew: We’re back!

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: That’s great.

Ben: Awww, geez. Okay.

Eric: Micah, Micah, what do you think about Ron and his…

John: What are we talking about?

Eric: What do you think about Ron and his…

Andrew: Uh, Micah dropped out. Micah dropped out.

Eric: Micah dropped out?

John: What?

Andrew: Micah dropped out and then he went offline. I don’t…he’s…I guess his internet is sucking. His modem fried and then now he’s on wireless, so I think he has a problem.

[Andrew and John laugh]

Eric: So, let’s talk about this a little bit more. Ron: boyfriend material? MuggleNet Greg, what do you think?

John: Let’s think here. MuggleNet Greg thinks that Ron had to go through the trial that was Lavender before he can have a relationship with Hermione.

Laura: Yeah. Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah, I agree.

John: I forget where I discussed this with, and who it was, but I think after Ron’s bouts of jealousy with Hermione and Krum, I guess he probably had to figure out what exactly it was that he wanted…

Eric: You know, that’s…

John: …if he wanted a girlfriend. Why did he want a girlfriend? Did he want it just so he had somebody to make out with in the common room in front of everybody?

Ben: Of course. Social acceptance.

John: Or, for the other good things, you know?

Eric: You know what? That happened to everybody.

Ben: Dude, hang on a sec, there are other things?

John: [laughs] Well, one day, Ben, you’ll meet that right, lucky girl.

[Everyone laughs]

John: Who you will have a connection with.

Andrew: Ben, now, this is called a…

Ben: What?

Andrew: No, but I think Lavender was sort of like a test monkey…

Eric: Test monkey.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: No, she was prepping the oven, man, prepping the oven.

Laura: It’s really sad to say, but she was. [laughs]

Ben: Oh, it’s just terrible to say. It just breaks my heart to say it. It’s really sad.

Andrew: Shut up. Ben, you’re so negative.

[Ben laughs]

Eric: Yeah, I think…

Andrew: Um… [pauses]

Eric: Yeah, continue. No, no, Andrew, please.

Andrew: Go ahead, Eric. Go ahead, Eric.

Eric: No, Andrew. Really.

Andrew: No, no, okay, fine.

Eric: No, Andrew. Go.

Andrew: Okay, if you insist.

Eric: Alright. Andrew, everybody!

Andrew: [laughs] Yeah, so I think Lavender was just basically a test dummy for Ron. His first [laughs] relationship couldn’t have been with Hermione. I don’t think it would have worked.

Eric: Well, she would have to…

John: It certainly wouldn’t have been…

Andrew: Natural?

John: It certainly wouldn’t have been the same kind of “make out with you in front of your little sister” kind of junk, like with Lavender. You would have never had that with Hermione. I think by the time he was done with Lavender, he figured out…

Laura: No!

John: …that’s not really the kind of girl I like.

Eric: Yeah. Yeah, Greg.

John: Yeah.

Laura: No, because Hermione expects more out of him. She expects him to be more mature and she expects a more mature relationship out of him. No one can go into that when they are sixteen.

John: Mhm.

Andrew: Yeah, and also, if you think about it, they’ve been friends for such a long time. I think it would be awkward at this point to have a relationship.

Eric: Well, at a previous point. I think it really brought out…See the thing with relationships, I think, in the books is that all of them…in fact, now that we’re mentioning this, all of them really taught the characters, like everybody, each one of the trio had a somewhat bad or different first relationship that didn’t last. Like, you know, Ron’s with Lavender taught him that he should, you know that snogging wasn’t everything. Hermione’s with Krum taught her that, maybe she doesn’t need to look for a star Quidditch player, you know? And maybe she doesn’t need to look for the sports guy who really isn’t particularly loquacious, or whatever the term was, you know? So, each one of their first relationships kind of taught them something about their future relationships and stuff.

John: I think that’s absolutely not the reason why she started being interested in Krum. I mean…

Ben: I completely agree. I think it’s that Krum…

John: …the Krum relationship was just…here’s this strange new guy coming…here’s this strange guy that’s, you know, paying attention to Hermione and she’s like, “What’s this all about? Some dude’s paying attention to me and he’s an older guy?”

Ben: Yeah, he’s the first guy that actually give her the time of day.

Laura: Yeah.

John: Yeah. Nothing to do with him being a sports star or anything. She’s not impressed by that stuff.

Eric: Well no, I thought that was her…

Ben: So, in other words, Eric, Eric, get off my show.

Laura: Well, she made it pretty clear in the book, you know, basically Krum noticed that she was a girl and Ron didn’t.

John: Yeah. Krum knew what was there. Did you see his face in that movie? She comes down the stairs and you see that little wink, that little nod of the head.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Well, I just thought…

John: He’s like “Yeah, boy!”

Ben: Oh yeah.

Eric: Book 4 was all about Hermione actually being more of a girl than she was before too, you know, with Krum and things. I don’t know. You’re right.

Ron’s Role in Book 7

Ben: How do you guys think Ron is going to do in Harry Potter 7? What’s his role going to be?

John: He’s going to die.

Andrew: You really think so? Or are you just being funny?

John: Actually, you know, yes and no. I…if it were a different kind of story, he probably would die. I don’t think she’s going kill him off.

Eric: Why do people have to die?

Laura: I think it’s possible.

Ben: Oh, it’s really possible?

Eric: Why do, you know, why does JKR have to kill these people off, you know? I’m really tired of this, you know?

Andrew: To make it an interesting plot.

Eric: No, it’s not an interesting plot, it’s a sucky plot. Every…

Micah: Dumbledore’s not dead anyway, we all know that.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: Uh…no.

Ben: Okay, stop. Micah Tan, get off the crack.

Andrew: Don’t say “Micah Tan,” that’s my name for him.

John: Micah Tan? Are you tan, Micah?

Andrew: No. [Laughs]

Eric: All these hero stories are like, “everybody has to die” for the hero to appreciate life. Why can’t the hero just, you know…Why do they have to die to prove anything? What does that prove besides that drama happens in real life? You know, this is a fantasy story I don’t think she has to…

Ben: Actually, I heard Jo wrote it in there to make you mad, Eric.

Eric: I think…

Andrew: She wrote it in there so the kids…

John: [In a funny voice] I’ll get that Scull!

Eric: You know, I understand life has to be unfair and, you know, she should represent that if she is doing a book about anything, but at the same time, everybody’s like, “Who’s going die in the next book?” and “There’s going be more deaths.” But, what’s the point? Why do they really have to die? Honestly, couldn’t, you know?

Andrew: To make us cry.

John: I don’t like it becoming a gimmick.

Ben: It makes the book interesting.

Eric: I think it makes…

John: I think it’s…

Laura: Because it would be boring if people didn’t die.

Eric: But does everybody have to die? Does Ron have to die? Does Harry, you know? Everybody’s like…

Laura: No, not everyone has to die.

Andrew: We never said everyone.

John: Harry absolutely won’t die.

Laura: No.

John: There’s not a chance in hell that Harry will die.

Eric: But JKR is…

John: I can’t believe anybody is even entertaining the idea.

Eric: JKR is all like, you know, “More lives will have to be taken.” And, I’m thinking…

John: Well, that’s because they’re having an all-out war. That’s what happens.

Eric: I’m aware of that, and that’s fine. But, I mean, as far as main characters, why does she feel so compelled to keep killing people? Why is she so compelled to, you know, keep the death count up? You know? I mean I realize it has to happen in war.

Ben: But, the point is, she has to do it to keep the books interesting, as part of the series. Death is a part of real life, the series are life, and she’s trying to make it like real life, as analogous as possible. So, it’s just too bad – people die.

Eric: Then why don’t we have a drug addict in the books?

Ben: I’m sorry. Harry’s life’s rough.

Laura: Wait, Ben. Ben, I thought in real life, people didn’t run around with wands.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: Thank you, Laura.

John: [Laughs] I wish.

Ben: Well, that’s true.

Eric: Laura is my homegirl.

Ben: I’m trying…no, you stole that from me from last week. Last week I said that. But, what I’m saying is that…

Eric: Laura is my homegirl.

Laura: No, really?

Ben: I’m saying that the setting that she’s trying to create. Like the concept of family and the concept of love…

Eric: Yeah, but not everybody’s family has to die for them to be heroes.

Ben: …concept of death…hate.

Eric: Not everybody’s family has to get blown to smithereens for them to…

Laura: No, not everyone’s family is dying.

Ben: We’re all going to die anyways. Eric, we’re all going to die anyways, dude.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Ben’s going die alone.

Ben: Why did, whoever…I am!

[Laura laughs]

Ben: I am going to die alone with my MuggleCast headset and my freakin’ Yellowcard CD. Yellowcard Lights and Sounds – in stores now. Go buy it.

[Everyone groans and laughs]

Eric: Okay, more on topic. What do we got?

Ben: Now, shifting roles…

Micah: But you guys…

John: I’m really confused. And I was trying to pay attention.

Eric: Micah was saying something…

Andrew: Me too.

John: I’m so confused.

Andrew: Eric, you confused us all again.

Eric: I’m sorry.

Rupert As Ron

Ben: Shifting gears to the movies, what do you think about Rupert Grint as Ron? [Imitates Ron] “I can’t think. Your hand’s all sweaty!”

[John laughs]

Eric: I think in the case of Rupert, it’s just, I’ve heard that he’s a very nervous person to meet on the red carpet. He’s very, you know, like, almost unsure of his answer. Like he’ll answers questions and things, but he doesn’t really handle it particularly well. And I’m thinking, you know, I can kind of relate to that, because, Rupert was, he had no acting experience and he auditioned for the role of Ron through Lizo and Newsround and he got the role. So, he’s like the…to me, he’s the fan who got to be part of the series. And you know, he’s really just a human person. And I think he has the right to be…to have these little tendencies – to be a little afraid, or a little nervous and anxious and I think it shows through with him more than it does anyone else. I think it’s just nerves as far as…I think…yeah…a little less of a…

Laura: Yeah. I agree.

John: You really can’t blame him either.

Eric: You really can’t. And I think he does well in interviews and stuff. Just not…on the red carpet events – he might be a little bit more…less…yeah.

Ben: Timid.

Andrew: Did he talk at all on the red carpet? I know he was like the first one to show up. But…

Eric: Which shows that he likes it, you know? He just really doesn’t really know… I mean he still goes.

Ben: You were there. Wouldn’t you know?

Andrew: No. It was a long line of press. You couldn’t see everyone and where they stopped, but I don’t know. John, did you see him stop at all?

John: I mean, I don’t even think we even got to interview him, did we?

Andrew: No, that’s my point.

John: I don’t know.

Andrew: I mean we didn’t get to interview Emma either, but she stopped. We saw her stop.

John: It’s obviously exhausting and they’ve just done the premiere the week before. I don’t know. I can’t pretend to get into their heads about how they actually feel.

Andrew: Yeah.

John: But you look at Dan and it’s almost like you’re thinking, “Wow, this kid is, you know, putting on a show for us even when he’s not acting in his movies.”

Andrew: Yeah.

John: How can somebody be that outgoing…

Andrew: Yeah.

John: …and always excited and into it? But, I talked to Melissa, who’s met him obviously a lot more than I have, and she swears that’s just the kind of kid he is. I think some people just have that naturally and some people have to either work for it or just, it’s just a lot more difficult for them. And that’s probably why Rupert stands out because it’s such a contrast between him and Radcliffe.

Eric: Him and Dan.

Andrew: Emma, too.

John: Yeah. Right.

Andrew: Although Emma’s more in-between Dan and Rupert. But this is not RedCast, this is MuggleCast.

[John laughs]

Eric: Yeah, yeah, right. No. Yeah, one final thing, just talking about Dan Radcliffe and the things he does because he’s “that kind of person” in contrast to Rupert. Did you guys see what he did for UTube? UTube, he was like…

Andrew: UTube.com, you’re talking about?

Eric: UTube.com. I’m actually plugging another site, yes.

Andrew: Yeah, what about it?

Eric: It’s Dan Radcliffe on a show called This Way Up, I think it is. And, it turns out he’s like…they joke about…it’s this show and they joke about…it’s this skit. And he actually has a side job as a police officer who loves the attention, and so he writes. It’s great stuff.

Ben: Yeah, I’ve seen that.

Eric: So, please, I just wanted to mention that. It’s like the funniest thing I’ve seen him do.

John: Oh.

Eric: But, I’m sorry, you know, this is like the fifth time I’ve taken the show off topic. Please by all means, back to Ron.

Ben: Yeah, okay well we’re quite a ways in now, so I think it’s time we moved on. Hey, yeah we definitely did.

Andrew: Did we cover him enough?

Ben: We’re forty minutes in. It’s time.

Andrew: Well, we were answering…

Ben: Yeah, wait a sec. Hold on a sec.

John: I thought we had a few more…about Ron…

[Everyone groans]

Eric: We had a little about him growing up as a Weasley…

Ben: Hey, John, John…

John: Are we running long?

Ben: Nah, let’s…we need to move on. We’re forty minutes in. Well, hold on, John, you think we should do voicemails now?

John: [Imitates Andrew] Yeah, yeah!

Andrew: [laughs] Shut up!

Ben: Well no, hold on. Andrew, hold on. John, are you sure?

John: [Imitates Andrew again] Ummm…Yeah, yeah alright! Yeah! Yeah! Let’s do voicemails.

Ben: Okay, I think that’s been settled.

John: [Still imitating] Yeah!

Ben: Well, that settles it, we’re doing the voicemails.

Eric: We never get tired of it.

Voicemails – Ron’s Skills

Andrew: Well, okay. Let’s do the voicemails.

Ben: We’re Steckless this week.

Eric: Steckless!

Ben: We’re Steckless this week again.

Eric: Actually…

John: How about we read the voicemails backwards in his honor?

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Backwards compatible.

Eric: Actually, I have something to report. Kevin Steck is, apparently, knee-deep in differential equations and digital logic homework right now.

Andrew: In other words, he’s a dork.

John: Oh my gosh!

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: First voicemail.

John: In other words, he’s smarter than all of us.

[Andrew laughs]

Eric: And he’s paying for it with his time.

Ben: Okay.

John: Yeah.

Ben: Roll the first voicemail.

[Audio]: Hi. This is Amy from Los Angeles and I really do enjoy your podcast. Since Ron is the topic this week, I wanted to ask you guys about, basically, his skills. It was pointed out over and over again that Ron is really good at chess, and although his magical abilities may not be as brilliant as others, do you think that Ron’s talent for strategy will play an important part in the seventh book and the final confrontation with Lord Voldemort? That’s it, thanks! Bye.

Andrew: Yes, absolutely, because…

Ben: Why?

Andrew: Well, obviously he’s going to be helping Harry and that’s all there is to it. If Ron gets with Harry, he will… Okay we haven’t seen much from him since Sorcerer’s Stone with the strategy like we saw all the way through the whole chess game.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: But, that could be a good point that it does foreshadow what Micah is about to explain.

Ben: Micah Tan?

Micah: Yeah. It’s a good follow-up question. Do you guys think that what happened in Sorcerer’s Stone foreshadows Ron’s fate?

John: I was totally just thinking that, Micah. That blows my mind that you just said that.

Micah: We’re on the same wavelength.

John: I know. We’re totally in tune.

Eric: What about him getting…him sacrificing himself?

John: Naw, we’re totally in tune. I think there’s a…

Laura: I think it’s entirely possible.

John: There’s a theory…I forget where it’s published…about the whole chess game theory. How pretty much every move in that chess game is supposed to mirror something that’s going to happen…

Andrew: Oh, brother.

John: …in the battle. Yeah, it’s true.

Andrew: Oh, brother.

John: Actually, I’m a firm believer that she uses chess games as a foreshadowing device on more than one occasion, including in Order of the Phoenix when they are in the Order and they are playing a chess game and Ron is yelling at the chess pieces. He says something like, you know, “Take him, he’s a pawn, kill him,” or something. And right at that moment, the next words printed on that page is Snape coming into the room, randomly to talk about something. I think that’s a major foreshadow that Snape’s getting the axe in the last book. And he’s going do it in a sacrificial way.

Eric: Well, as long as he was a pawn for Dumbledore and not Voldemort. But no, I think that’s a good question – what Micah brought it up too. Will he sacrifice himself? I think it’s possible. But, the thing is, is he in a position to sacrifice himself? I think if anybody sacrifices himself to save Harry and his cause, I think it will be Neville.

John: Mhm.

Eric: I think Neville holds more importance as the one who was almost the Chosen One and that, if anybody really sacrifices himself and was able to be, you know, important enough to stop Voldemort or whatever they have to do to let Harry through, I think Neville would have to sacrifice himself before anything Ron did.

Laura: Yeah, but I could see Ron taking a bullet for Harry.

Eric: I can.

John: Yeah.

Eric: No, as a friend, I think it’s in his character. I don’t know about the series, if that will do anything though…if that will allow…what exactly Ron will be able to do that would stop Voldemort from doing something to Harry?

John: I mean, it would be more of a simple action than a complicated action that would involve magical complexities. It would just be jumping in front of a spell. Or, it could be something like he captures Ron or somebody and he’s like, “Tell me where Harry is!” and be like, “No! I’m not going to tell you where Harry is!” Like that. And “I’m going to kill you now,” then he’s like “Fine, kill me!” And then he dies and then next chapter.

Eric: Yeah, that’s over-published in sci-fi hero stories too. But…

Laura: Mhm. It’s true. [laughs]

John: I know.

Eric: You know? His strategy has been missing in the past books. It really has like, he’s this big strategy guy and all this stuff Harry basically plans his own war and attacks and that’s because, you know, he doesn’t let people in, but now that, seeing as he might let people in, do you think Ron will be able to help strategy-wise?

Laura: I don’t think Jo would have given him the talent if it weren’t going to have, you know, some sort of place in the book.

Eric: I like that. Well, it got them fifty points for Gryffindor.

John: Do you think it will help him with the hunt for the Horcri?

Ben: Hunt for the Horcri?

Eric: Let’s just not, no! Ben, Ben, don’t feed him. Ben, just don’t.

John: Figure out where they are?

Ben: No, hold on. John, you just figured out the title for Book 7.

John: The Hunt for the Horcri You know, I want to go and buy that domain right now.

Ben: Harry Potter and the Hunt for the Horcri.

[Everyone laughs]

John: I’m going to go to GoDaddy and I’m going to buy “Hunt for the Horcri” and I’m not going to put in the MuggleCast code.

Andrew: Use the code “MUGGLE”: M-U-G-G-L-E and save an additional ten percent off any order.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Yeah.

John: I’m going to type it in wrong on purpose.

Andrew: Use the code “RON” and save five dollars off any additional order. We have a lot of codes, I’m not even joking.

Ben: Guys, we have…

Eric: Really?

Andrew: Yes.

Ben: Guys, we have a lot of voicemails to get to though. So, I hope that was sufficient enough an answer, but it’s time to move on to the next one.

Voicemail – Weasley Magic

[Audio]: Hi, MuggleCasters. This is Jill calling from the University of Arizona in Tucson, and I have a question about Ron, my favorite character. In general, you guys seem to give Ron and the Weasley family a hard time. Especially last week when you said that the Weasley family wasn’t very good at magic. I see the Weasley family as having proven themselves time and time again throughout the series, especially as members of the Order. What would each of you like to see from them, specifically Ron, in the final book? Thanks, I really love your show. Talk to you later.

Andrew: When I said last…

Eric: You dug yourself a hole.

Andrew: No, I didn’t.

Eric: Hole.

Ben: Stop.

Andrew: Shut up, I still stand by what I said about…

Eric: Watch him dig himself out.

Andrew: …the Weasleys’ not being good at magic, but clever magic so to speak. Yes, Mrs. Weasley is great at it. Just like all the little things around their house.

John: What do you mean?

Andrew: You won’t see those things around the wizarding world anywhere else. I’m not saying Mrs. Weasley invented it, but she’s clever in that she can come up with little things, like, you know, that clock is priceless. Everyone loves the clock. I don’t know, I just…

John: Yeah.

Laura: I don’t think the Weasleys are entirely bad at magic. It said in Chamber of Secrets that their house was…

Andrew: Clever magic, not defensive magic.

Laura: Held stable by it. If they were bad at it, their house would have collapsed.

Eric: Mr. Weasley…

Andrew: I don’t know how many times I need to say this. You can’t assume stuff, when, you know…

Laura: Well, we haven’t really seen what kind of…no, no, no. I’m saying…no. What I’m saying again is that Ginny got them out of Umbridge – the whole situation with Umbridge in Order of the Phoenix. I don’t think they can be entirely bad at defensive magic if Ginny was able to get them out of that kind of situation where they were clearly the underdogs.

Ben: Well see, what the fans have to realize about Andrew is that he makes statements without any substance to make the statement. He says it without thought and goes spouting off…

Eric: No, no, no, no, no, no.

Ben: He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Eric: Andrew is in this little hole, and he’s got this iShovel and he’s trying to dig himself… What I want to say is that I think the Weasleys are just a kind of people… Now we’ve seen, as Laura has pointed out, and with Fred and George too, they could hold their own in a battle and could defend themselves against whether it be Umbridge or even any kind of defense. But I think the Weasleys are just, what it is, is just they’re generally are the type of people that don’t use defensive magic or feel threatened by it. They’re well-mannered people and Arthur Weasley went and punched Lucius Malfoy before he wanted to use any magic against him, and I think just what we’re seeing in Book 6 with the whole Mollywobbles, you need to know the password to enter the Weasley house is how they’re really stooping to accept the hard times that lie ahead. And they are well-natured people who generally would use their magic and use their cleverness for things like the clock instead of things like defense. Like you don’t have to, when the flying car went to the Weasleys’ house, it didn’t have to be buzzed in and you didn‘t have to fingerprint scan or anything like that. That’s not the kind of people they are, so I just think that…it’s not that they can’t hold their own. They just have preferred not to accept the potential danger until they absolutely had to.

Ben: Thank you.

John: Who do you think would win in a fight: Lucius Malfoy or Arthur Weasley?

Ben: We did that last week.

John: What did you decide?

Laura: Yep.

Ben: We decided that…

Andrew: We decided that…

Ben: Actually Andrew, isn’t that when you made the comment about the Weasleys sucking at magic?

[John laughs]

Andrew: No, no, I said Arthur.

Laura: Yeah.

Andrew: Arthur doesn’t do anything.

Eric: Yes, he does. He does the flying car.

Andrew: Oh my god. Oh, big deal! Flying car. Defensive!

John: I imagine he’s pretty good.

Andrew: Defensive! Defensive! We haven’t seen anything defensive out of him.

Eric: Yeah, but the flying car saved them from Aragog.

Andrew: That’s not defensive! That’s clever magic.

Eric: From Aragog, from Aragog. It saved them from Aragog.

John: No, here’s what it is, Andrew…

Ben: Okay, just because we haven’t seen it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t…

Laura: Well, you know what? Andrew.

Andrew: But you can’t assume this, that’s what I’m saying.

Laura: Andrew.

Eric: iShovel.

Ben: Well you can’t say they’re bad at magic, you can’t assume they’re bad either. So you’re contradicting yourself, Andrew.

Andrew: I’m not saying they’re bad. I’m not saying they’re bad. I take that back, okay?

Eric: The word of the day is: iShovel.

Ben: There you go flip-flopping again.

Andrew: I’m not flip-flopping. You know what, this is outrageous. No, no! No, no!

Laura: Okay, Andrew, I have a question for you.

Ben: Just leave.

Andrew: I’ll be back in a few minutes. You guys stress me out way too much.

Laura: No, no, shut up. Oh my god. Okay, here’s what I was going to ask…

Ben: Dude, dude.

Laura: …Andrew before he got up and left. Okay, I was going to ask: Do you think it‘s necessarily, I don’t know, essential that the Weasleys used defensive magic? I mean clever magic could get them out of a tight spot. You don’t always need to use defensive magic, I don‘t think.

John: There are clever forms of defensive and offensive magic especially if your offensive magic isn’t going to be unforgivable magic. But here’s what I think, what it boils down to. Any member of the Order of the Phoenix, any member of the first Order of the Phoenix implies they were in battles before in the first reign of – not the reign – but the first times of Voldemort. The fact that they’re still alive means they were obviously up to snuff enough, snuff enough, to battle…

Eric: Up to snuff enough.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

John: …with Death Eaters and to not get themselves killed.

Eric: You know, I like that.

Laura: Although, the Weasleys weren’t in the Order the first time.

Eric: Oh they weren’t?

John: Yeah they were, weren’t they? Weren’t they in the picture?

Laura: No, they weren’t.

Micah: No.

Laura: No. In Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore said something like: “You weren’t in the Order last time, Molly.”

Eric: Ah, I think it was Hagrid.

Laura: Well somebody said that to her.

Eric: I think that was Hagrid.

John: Foiled again. Answer me this: If they weren’t in the first Order, which I’ll concede that they’re not, I’m just stupid when it comes to the books, I guess. Then how did they get involved with all these people like Lupin, and Mad-Eye, and Dumbledore?

Ben: They went to school together, maybe?

John: No, they weren’t in the same year. They weren’t Marauders. They weren’t…

Ben: It doesn’t matter, John.

John: They were like five or six years apart.

Eric: The thing is…

Ben: He’s worked at the Ministry of Magic.

Eric: They’re friends with Dumbledore.

John: But why are they involved other than the fact that it’s a story-telling thing? That Harry’s friends are people that relate to other people in the story.

Eric: Well, I think it’s that they’re all friends of Dumbledore. I think Dumbledore was the central, central character and he knew, he was in contact with Sirius Black after Prisoner of Azkaban, and he was always in contact with Hagrid – he let him stay on. And he was always helping Remus out throughout his life, and so I think it’s just a matter of Dumbledore, when he needed people, he was able to pull them together because they were all friends with him. And I think it was really him who they all shared a friendship with. When they first met each other, I don’t know when it was, but they can all relate through Dumbledore. And so, even by nature, if Dumbledore likes them, the people would get along well together. And…

Micah: Or what about Harry even?

Laura: Yeah.

Micah: I mean, they’re the main protectors of him now. So, it’s possible that they were brought into the Order for protection themselves.

Eric: Which is true.

John: I mean, it makes sense now that Harry’s involved but I guess, did they associate with each other before Harry came along?

Eric: It’s really a question, yeah, that, too. And also, would they even… Harry and Ron would have had to meet if his family was in the Order, you know? If Ron’s family… I don’t really see how Ron and Harry couldn’t be friends if their, or couldn’t at least be incredibly aware of each other with how intertwined their families are. I mean, that’s a valid point.

Laura: Yeah. Well, I think I said this in an earlier episode as well, but I think part of the reason the Weasleys became part of the Order was that because Molly’s brothers were killed in the first war by Death Eaters.

Eric: Gideon and Fabian Prewett.

Laura: Yep.

Eric: Wow, that was my JK Rowling moment right there. I was like, “Wow, trivia.”

Voicemail – Amortentia

[Audio]: Hey guys, this is K’lyssa from MuggleNet.com and Texas. Okay, so I’ve been thinking of a way to force you all to let me on the show for a while now, and then I thought of something I’ve always wondered about. Everyone always asks what your Patronus would be, or what your Boggart would be, but no one’s ever asked about Amortentia. Amortentia is, as you probably know, the most powerful love potion mentioned in the Half-Blood Prince. And it said it smelled differently to each person with what they like. So, what would it smell like to all of you? That’s my question and I’ll talk to you guys later. Bye.

[Laura laughing]

John: No, that’s fun.

Eric: How do I…

Laura: I don’t know what it would smell like.

Andrew: Is this a voicemail question?

Laura: I don’t walk up to people I like and sniff them.

Eric: Yeah. [laughs] K’lyssa sent in a voicemail.

John: You don’t understand. It’s suppose to smell like your favorite things.

Ben: Yeah.

John: Like to Harry it smelled like Quidditch and grass, and crap.

Ben: No. No, it smelled like Ginny, man.

John: Yeah, Harry’s is going to smell like grass and a locker room apparently.

Andrew: Mine would smell like the Listener’s Challenge this week because I’m in love with this week’s Listener’s Challenge.

Eric: [Laughs] So, I guess that means we have to play the voicemail because you want to have that in.

Ben: We’ll get to that later, Andrew.

Andrew: But thanks, K’lyssa.

Ben: I already played it, dude, you missed it. Thanks, K’lyssa.

Eric: K’lyssa totally pulled an Izzy there.

Voicemail – Weasley Magic

[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast. My name is Allison, I’m 14, and I’m from La Porte, Indiana. That’s near Chicago. And I have a comment slash question about Ron Weasley. I read in a book, and I think you guys mentioned something about it, that JK Rowling was greatly inspired by Hamlet and especially the idea of somebody dying for who they love. So, do you think Ron will die in the next book to save Hermione? I think you guys mentioned it and I know I read about it in Muggles and Magic, and I was wondering what you think. Thanks. And I’m a big Bemma shipper. Bye.

Ben: Hey, Allison. Do you know Emerson? He lives right down the road. I know his address. If you send me an email, I’ll send you an email back with his address. But often times, he goes to the YMCA, you know where the Y is, and he also can be seen at Little Caesar’s Pizza – I’ve been there before. I’ve been in that Little Caesar’s. I’ve bought breadsticks there, but that’s besides the point. They were very good breadsticks. [laughs] So…

John: Little Caesar’s is not interesting…

Eric: Even if I take the show off topic, I think breadsticks is just…you know, that’s the line.

[Eric and Laura laugh]

Ben: Oh, be quiet, Eric. Be quiet.

Laura: That’s going to be on an avatar soon.

Ben: Do you guys think – okay, who’s going to die for someone they love? That’s the question. Will Ron die to save Hermione?

John: Well, that’s why everybody is dying. That is why everybody is dying.

Eric: Everyone is dying for the ones they loves.

Ben: That is true.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: But I think they mean any one of the cases. Like you take, uh, like you step in the way. Sort of like a Secret Service agent who will step in the way of a bullet to save the President.

Andrew: Well, sort of like the MuggleNet poll.

John: Yeah.

Andrew: Would you take a bullet for JKR in order to save Book 7?

Eric: I got a lot of captions for that. That was really great.

Andrew: Would you? I wouldn’t.

Eric: I wouldn’t.

[Andrew Laughs]

Andrew: No!

Ben: Cause you wouldn’t get to read it. What would be the point?

Eric: The end has already been written.

Andrew: Either way.

Laura: Either way.

Eric: The end is already written, so, I don’t know. That’s a big factor if it weren’t already.

John: Would it be published?

Andrew: Yeah, I’ll never be able to talk about that.

Eric: No, no, no.

Laura: Yeah, I don’t know.

Eric: Let’s stick to Ron. Stick to Ron.

Laura: That’s dangerous territory. [laughs]

Andrew: Although it would be a good topic.

John: I heard Scholastic gives her incredible health insurance, so she is going to be all set. Lord knows she couldn’t afford it otherwise.

Eric: Do you think she’ll get frozen?

Andrew: She probably has a clone waiting for her.

Ben: Okay, guys.

Andrew: It doesn’t matter.

Ben: We’re talking about Ron. Will Ron die in the next book to save Hermione?

Eric: He…he…

Ben: I don’t know. I’m not…

John: The trio’s not dying. Period.

Ben: Actually, I think we’ll lose a third of the trio.

Eric: John, are you really against Harry dying?

John: I just know it’s not going to happen. I’m just a realist here, you guys. That’s all.

Eric: Really? I think it’s interesting.

Laura: I don’t think Harry is going to die either.

John: Well, obviously Harry’s not going to die.

Ben: Ron’s going to die, guys. [laughs]

Eric: So then you could have Emma.

[Everyone laughs]

John: If Harry… This is what’s going happen. If Harry or any of the trio dies, Jo is going to get served with so many lawsuits from so many organizations all around the world paying all of their kids’ anti-depressant medicines, because they’re all going to be so devastated she’s going to lose her entire fortune to lawsuits.

Andrew: Yeah, think, like, all the merchandise, like you have these –

John: Yeah, who’s going want to buy stuff?

Andrew: Yeah, you have like all these dolls and you’re like, “Oh, he’s dead now.”

John: Buy your Harry Potter action figure. He comes in a black suit for mourning.

[Everyone laughing]

Eric: No, the Lego. Ron’s Funeral Scene.

John: Hermione comes in a very flattering black veil.

[Everyone Laughing]

Ben: Oh, come on John. That’s terrible.

John: That’s terrible.

Eric: It is terrible.

Andrew: No, but it’d be true. Who would want to buy that?

John: I know, nobody would!

Eric: But it’s one thing when you’re reading about Sirius and you’re thinking, “Oh, well he’ll be dead in a few books,” that’s sad. And when you read about Dumbledore, yeah, that’s sad. But Dumbledore’s so entertaining that you can still read him and not be too upset. And you know, you still hope he died with good intentions. But if Ron dies…

Andrew: Mhm.

Eric: I think the majority of the people are really going to be a little bit more upset because he shows up so much more in the books, you know, as far as the Trio goes. It’s just like killing your best friends and what John said about the anti-depressant medicine, I agree with that.

Laura: Yeah.

Eric: I would sue her.

John: I mean people are already going to be depressed with the end of the books, period.

Laura: Well, I think if anyone out of the Trio… Well…

John: People are going to go through the postpartum depression, but there’s also a big difference…

Laura: I think that if anyone does die in the Trio, it’ll be Ron.

John: Well, I agree with you. If anyone dies in the Trio, it could be Ron, but I think that there’s a very big distinction between the death of somebody who is more or less your elder than one of your contemporaries.

Laura: Oh, yeah, of course.

John: And Cedric dying was probably, arguably, one of the most traumatic deaths he’s had to go through because it was someone closer to his age. And he wasn’t even really good friends with the kid, he was kind of a prick.

Ben: And it happened like two feet away from him.

John: Yeah, but I mean, if it was one of his best friends…

Eric: I think he would be devastated.

John: It’s like, how could you even celebrate vanquishing Voldemort?

Eric: Maybe he couldn’t. Maybe that’s…

Ben: That’s true. I mean, especially if everyone gets wiped out except him. He wouldn’t have anyone to celebrate it with, so…

John: I mean, granted, he’ll have…

Laura: I’m not sure Harry’s going to celebrate it, though.

Eric: I don’t think he’ll celebrate anyways.

Laura: I mean, it’s not like he’s going to kill Voldemort and then…

John: Yeah, they’re not going to go drink Firewhiskey in the common room or anything.

Andrew: Yeah.

Ben: No, dude, there’ll be a big kegger.

Andrew: It’s going to be reflection time.

Eric: Just to say one of the things about Harry. You know, about him dying and stuff. I think it’s possible, but at the same time, he is the Boy That Lived. We might have brought that up before. He’s the Boy Who Lived only to get killed, you know, 17-18 years later by the same guy. I don’t think that’s going to happen.

John: Yeah.

Eric: You know, he is the Boy Who Lived so if you only live to die then that would be pointless and it would say something about evil. But…yeah.

John: That’s Donnie Darko.

Eric: Yeah.

Dueling Club

Ben: Everyone, it’s time for everyone’s favorite segment: The Dueling Club. This week, I don’t know who we have. Well, who cares, who cares?

John: Soon to be featured on PotterCast with a different name.

[Everyone laughing]

Eric: PotterCast…no…PotterCast, they would never steal our segments!

Andrew: [coughs] Essays.

Ben: They steal about twelve of these segments of ours.

John: I know, well…you guys are more than welcome to borrow our “Extendable Ears” segments if you knew anybody famous enough to talk to. [Makes an “ohhh” noise]

Andrew: We do. We just don’t need them. We are the talent. We are the stars.

John: Oh, I forgot.

Eric: We don’t need famous people. Yeah, we are the famous people.

[Laura laughs]

John: You just interviewed somebody who was almost Luna Lovegood. I remember.

Ben: John, John.

[Eric laughs]

John: Well, that was close. I haven’t listened to it yet. I’m sure…

Ben: Hey, John, John. I remember all the work you did to establish the interviews. It was all you, wasn’t it?

John: Are you kidding me? It was actually…they call me first and then I give the calls to Melissa.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Oh yeah.

Ben: Yeah.

Eric: It’s true.

Andrew: But bottom line is: We are the talent. We are the stars. We don’t need acts coming on.

John: I haven’t, I haven’t had this much fun recording anything ever. I haven’t had this much fun period since breakfast.

[Everyone laughing]

Andrew: Since breakfast?

Eric: Why? What happened at breakfast? Did you have Captain Crunch?

John: I found this really cool baseball card at the bottom. And it was holographic.

[Everyone Laughing]

Ben: Okay, Micah Tan, who’s dueling?

Micah: I guess…let’s do, uh, Trelawney vs. Luna. The battle of whack jobs. [laughs]

Ben: Haven’t we already done that?

[Everyone laughing]

Micah: No, we did it another time, but we cut it out, didn’t we? And we moved it to this one.

Ben: How about Ron vs. Bon Jovi? I mean, Ron vs. Seamus.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Who would win?

Laura: Probably Ron.

Ben: Ron, because we haven’t seen enough of Seamus.

Eric: But I think Seamus holds his own in certain ways, like against Harry and stuff, but, I don’t know, Seamus lets his mom control him a little bit more than Ron would.

John: Was Seamus even in the DA for any length of time?

Eric: I forget.

John: Because at least Ron’s been in the DA and actually learned stuff.

Ben: Wasn’t he reluctant to join? He was reluctant to join right?

Laura: Yeah, he was. He came to, like, one, I think. I think he came to one DA lesson.

Eric: But he hasn’t rotted him out.

John: Anybody in the DA vs. anybody not in the DA is going get…is going win. It’s not like they’ve learned anything of value from any of their DADA teachers.

Eric: That’s true.

Ben: True dat, true dat.

Eric: Though I guess we now have to call you Umbridge.

Ben: Ladies… Hey, hey, Andrew.

John: Is this thing usually this boring, this segment? I was all excited. It’s called Dueling Club.

Eric: Yeah. Andrew’s like: “The exciting, that was another exciting episode of…”

[Everyone laughing]

Eric: And it was like… Last week’s was good.

Andrew: Yeah, last week’s was good.

Spy on Bon Jovi

Ben: Andrew, Andrew, Andrew I just want to tell you…

Andrew: What, what?

Ben: [Sings] It’s my life. It’s now or never. I ain’t going to live forever!

Eric: [Joins in singing] It’s now or never. I ain’t going to live forever! I’m going to live while I’m alive.

Andrew: Oh, Ben. You “Have A Nice Day.”

Ben: Andrew, it’s time for Spy on Spartz. We’re sick of Spy on Spartz.

Andrew: Let me intro this the right way. Ummm, often PotterCast always has these celebrities on their show that, like, they like to call them stars of Harry Potter or whatever…

John: That’s over-rated.

Andrew: But screw Harry Potter

John: Ooo!

Andrew: What about rock stars? This is what MuggleCast is about. You hear our opening and closing music, okay? So this is why…[laughs]…we are very proud and excited to bring to you: Spy on Bon Jovi.

John: The hippest rock star of our day.

Andrew: Micah, take it away.

[Micah laughs]

John: He was just on TRL. I saw him yesterday.

Andrew: Micah Tan, set us up and take it away!

Micah: Bon Jovi is…this is so bad! [laughs]

Andrew: No!

John: What’s he wearing, Micah?

[Everyone laughing]

Andrew: No, it’s not! It’s beautiful!

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: No. No, no, no.

Micah: Here, why don’t you set it up?

Andrew: I’ll set it up. So, Micah Tan is very high up in the football world. He works in the AFL. He’s in a multi-billion dollar contract.

John: Damn, Micah.

Andrew: This guy is rich, okay? I’m like…it’s just outrageous.

Eric: We have to call Micah “Moneybags.” Moneybags Tannenbaum.

[Everyone laughing]

Andrew: [laughs] Ummm, so Micah… So, today Micah was Bon Jovi’s personal…what was it? What were you doing?

Eric: Bodyguard?

Micah: Escorting him around. I mean it wasn’t that hard…

John: You were his escort?

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Escorting him around New York City.

Ben: He was Bon Jovi’s male escort.

[Everyone still laughing]

Andrew: He was an escort. He told me he had shades on, he was…

John: That is hot, Micah!

Andrew: So you asked him about Harry Potter and podcasting and all that. What’d he say?

Micah: I did. He actually heard about John Noe’s incident last week. He asked me…

John: No kidding! Wow!

Micah: Yeah! He asked me how you were doing, he wanted to make sure you were alright, and, you know, if anything that he could do for you to give him a call, John.

John: Awww. He’s a very considerate man, that guy.

Eric: Assuming John can get the number.

Andrew: Yeah, that is nice.

John: Are you kidding me? I’ve got everybody’s number.

Andrew: That is nice.

[Eric laughs]

Ben: Micah was his escort.

John: Oh, Micah…

Ben: Micah probably has his number.

[Andrew and Eric laugh]

John: How did that turn out? [laughs]

Andrew: Bon Jovi gave it to him…. [laughs]

Eric: “If you ever need anything…”

Andrew: “Hey, here’s my number.” [laughs] I’m just kidding, I’m just kidding.

John: Micah, Micah- did you transcribe the encounter?

Ben: Well, one of the problems you guys had with the Spy on Spartz is it was way too long and it was ridiculous. So, I think Spy on Bon Jovi’s over this week. Next week, we’ll spy on your favorite celebrity.

John: Oh!

Ben: It may even be you. Actually, actually, I think we’re doing Bono next week.

Andrew: Rock celebrity.

Ben: Ciaran lives down the road from him. We’re doing Bono.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: Wait! This is outrageous. We have all these connections!

Ben: Yeah, really. We’ve got the connections.

Andrew: Who are we kidding? What’s this Emerson? [laughs] We’ve got a rock star. [laughs] We got the rock stars.

[Phone starts ringing]

Eric: Who’s getting called?

Andrew: We’ve got the rock stars! Oh no. [laughs]

[Everyone laughs]

John: Who are we spying on?

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: Who’s calling who? [laughs] No.

[Phone is picked up]

Emerson: [on the phone] Hello?

John: Hey, who’s this?

Emerson: Emerson.

[Micah laughs]

John: Emerson! What are you doing right now?

Emerson: Actually, I’m in the middle of a power hour.

John: You’re doing what?

Emerson: A power hour.

John: Oh, what’s that mean for our G-rated audience?

[Micah and Ben laugh]

Emerson: Uh… it’s where we drink a lot of, like, water to stay healthy…

John: Oh!

Emerson: …and, ummm, it’s that we watch movies and stuff. You know, we’re just chilling out basically.

[Andrew laughs]

John: Now tell me, are you with your new girlfriend right now?

Emerson: I am not.

John: Are you with the girl who’s almost your girlfriend right now?

Emerson: I am not.

[Andrew laughs]

John: Awww, nuts. And why is that?

Emerson: Because she’s actually been asleep for about the past five hours.

[Andrew laughs]

John: Well, that’s cool. Well, we just wanted to see what you were up to.

Micah: Tell him he’s been kicked to the curb for Bon Jovi.

[Andrew laughs]

Emerson: Is this going to be on, uh…

Andrew: We’re not going use it, tell him.

Emerson: …you’re recording?

John: Yeah.

Micah: Yeah.

John: But you won’t, you won’t say anything inappropriate. Oh, that was weird. Well, I don’t want to interrupt your power hour or else you’re going to have to add more minutes on.

[Micah laughs]

Emerson: Oh, yes. I’ll think of a cool song and just have another shot of water.

John: And we know how poorly you handle your water.

[Andrew and Ben laugh]

Emerson: Right, yes. That water just…

Eric: Yes, Emerson takes his water very seriously.

John: All right, dude.

[Andrew laughs]

Emerson: All right.

John: We’ll see you later, dude.

Andrew: [laughs] We, we… No. Here’s what we need to do. We need to just call him and say…

John: And that was Spy on Spartz à la PotterCast.

Andrew’s Listener Challenge

Ben: Hey Andrew! Tell me, is the Listener Challenge back this week?

Andrew: Oh my god, it is back. And with a vengeance.

Eric: Wooo, Betty!

Andrew: So we’ve been off… and I don’t know! This just came to me. I was like, “Jesus!”

Ben: This is the mother- THE MOTHER- of all listener challenges.

Eric: Andrew praised Jesus. He was like, “…Jesus.”

Andrew: So, let’s just jump into it. This is a Listener Challenge and a contest. It is the Design a MuggleCast Segment Contest where YOU will be able to make your very own MuggleCast segment that will be aired on [laughs] MuggleCast!

So, basic details: You create your own MuggleCast segment to be ran on our show. You plan your segment, you gather your content, you assign your hosts, you gather the hosts, you get your friends together and all that. And then you record the show, and then you edit it all together. You do everything! And then you send it to us.

The judging will be based on creativity of the topic, the presentation, and the personalities of the hosts. And the winner…

Ben: But, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Andrew: …will have your segment aired [realizes Ben was trying to talk] What? What, what, what?

Ben: So, about the host personalities. So, in other words, you don’t want people like Andrew on there.

Andrew: You just can’t be boring, that’s what I’m saying. [laughs]

John: Ohhh.

Andrew: Just go through iTunes and look at random podcasts and you’ll see what I mean. You have to have a good personality.

Ben: So, don’t listen…

Andrew: Don’t be like us.

Ben: Yeah. Don’t listen to PotterCast.

John: Ohhh, snap.

[Andrew and Laura laugh]

Ben: Don’t go there for examples.

John: And here I was just ready to work on my submission…

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: So, winners will have their segment aired on MuggleCast, and all the participating hosts will win an up and coming MuggleCast product that will probably be…

Ben: Debuting.

Andrew: That we will probably be announcing – yeah, that too…

John: Ooo!

Andrew: …next week.

John: What do you got – coasters, bottle coolers?

Andrew: Yeah, we’ve got coasters, napkins, party hats…

Ben: Toilet paper.

John: Toilet paper with Andrew’s face on every sheet.

[Laura laughs]

Eric: It’s Bemma’s, it’s Bemma toilet paper.

Andrew: [Laughs] Wait, let’s get through this. The rules. Your segment must be no longer than seven minutes in length.

John: The magic number seven!

Andrew: The topic must relate – [responding to John] You know that, I didn’t even think of that! The topic must relate to the Harry Potter books, movies, fan culture, or anything else if related to Harry Potter. So it can’t be on, like, you know, quadratic formulas or whatever.

John: That’d be awesome!

Ben: Kevin’s already made it. He’s already working on it. He’s like…

[Someone laughs]

Ben: …he’s like, [imitates Kevin] here’s how you solve a differential equation.

Eric: Ummm yeah, John Noe.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: [Still imitating Kevin] The opposite of b plus or minus the square root of b squared minus four a c all over two a.

Andrew: [laughs] Okay, let’s get through this please, people!

Ben: Sorry.

Andrew: Now here’s the kicker: John, listen up. You cannot use someone to host who is in association [laughs] with a Harry Potter podcast website.

[John sighs]

Andrew: And I say this because I don’t want… we don’t want…

Ben: iMuggle.

Andrew: …some Harry Potter website trying to do this just to get… no, iMuggle’s a good podcast.

Ben: Or the Harmony Podcast.

John: I love the Harmony Podcast!

Andrew: iMuggle’s good. I’m going to call John out on iMuggle in a few minutes.

John: Ohhh.

Andrew: And the deadline. Your segment must be turned in no later than February 18th, at 11:59 PM Eastern Standard time. Now, for more information on sending the file to us because some of them will be pretty big and you might not be able to do it on email…

Eric: Andrew, tell them…

Ben: Please compress it to an mp3.

Andrew: …visit MuggleCast.com.

Ben: Please compress it to mp3.

Andrew: Yeah, it has to be an mp3. Right. We’re going to have the entire list of rules up on MuggleCast.com. And then, additionally, the winners will be announced and then their segment will be aired on the weekend of February 26th. Which will be the show closest to that date.

Eric: Andrew, I have one quick question.

Andrew: [clears throat] Yes.

Eric: What’s the difference between…I’ve noticed, well, I mean there’s… Basically, if you look at our fans, there’s a lot of… I think it’s about 10 to 15 different fancasts out there right now. So what… yeah, yeah.

Andrew: Yeah. They’re all rip-offs… so what’s your point?

Eric: So when you say that, besides that, when you say they can’t be anybody in association with a Harry Potter podcast or website, I… You know? Where’s the differentiation between our fans and…? Because I think every, well like a lot of our fans on the fan listing and things like that have all done or been a part of a podcast. So can they send the stuff in? A lot of them, a big majority, have done…

Andrew: Not really. Not really. [laughs]

Eric: …the MuggleCast Fan Cast Chat and a bunch of other stuff.

Andrew: Oh…

Eric: Yeah. So can…

Andrew: Okay. We’ll change it.

John: Here comes Andrew’s blanket insult on all Harry Potter fan podcasts.

[Laura and Andrew laugh]

Andrew: No, no, no, no. No. Anyone…

Eric: Do you want another iShovel?

Andrew: This is open to anyone, but…

[John laughs]

Andrew: This isn’t to have your show promoted or anything.

Eric: He needs an iDozer.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: That’s what I’m saying. Okay?

Micah: So, MuggleNet Greg, you’re safe. You can do it.

Andrew: Now… yeah.

John: I can’t wait until the winning submission is this mystery voice that you later find out was me all along.

[Everyone laughs]

Andrew: We’re going to run some checks on the files to make sure.

Eric: Yeah.

Andrew: Now, segments from runners-up will be considered for airing in future episodes because people are going to put a lot of time into this.

John: Yup.

Andrew: So, you should be recognized, unless it’s complete crap.

[Micah and Eric laugh]

John: Here’s the translation of the Listener Challenge: MuggleCast is having a hard time filling up the show with interesting content…

[Eric, Laura and Andrew laugh]

John: …and because they have no imaginations to think up a new segment, this is where you all come in.

Andrew: Yes!

Ben: Exactly.

[Everyone laugh]

Andrew: Now hold on a second, John. I beg to differ. Spy on Bon Jovi, Andrew’s Listener Challenge…

Ben: Ben’s Top Ten List…

Eric: Advice with MuggleCast…

[John laughs]

Andrew: [laughs] This is all original quality content!

John: [still laughing] I forgot about that one! Oh, that was fun!

Andrew: Am I good or am I good right now, Noe? That is not a rip-off your [in a mock impressed voice] “Live Call-In Show”. It doesn’t even relate to it!

John: I didn’t even bring it up!

Andrew: The Advice with MuggleCast…

John: I didn’t even bring that up, but it’s funny how soon that entered your mind!

Andrew: Yeah, but you and Melissa…

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: …because Melissa hasn’t got off my butt about that, and you probably won’t, too!

John: Ugh!!! I heard next week’s challenge is Micah’s idea. Micah says, “Hey! For this week’s fan challenge, let’s see how you would transcribe MuggleCast!”

[Everyone laughs]

John: And then they come piling in and Micah kicks his feet up on the desk…

Micah: Good.

Eric: [Laughs] Oh my god.

John: …and drinks a limonada.

Ben: No, no, no, no…

Andrew: This is going to be a one-time thing; we’re not going to make the segments into “Oh hey, could you do this every week for us?”

Ben: …then Micah’s next fan challenge would be, [imitates Micah’s deep voice] “Let’s see how you would do the news.”

Andrew: No, we’ve got… the show that we’ve got right now is kickin’.

[Eric laughs]

Andrew: What?

Ben: Pretty soon… well actually, no, no, no, no! No!

Eric: We don’t use our fans.

Ben: No, we’re going to progress, and eventually we’re going to have one… Like episode 30, it’s going to be 30 seconds long…or two minutes long, and it’s going to be Andrew’s Listener Challenge. And the new challenge is to create an episode of MuggleCast.

[Ben and Andrew laugh]

John: Oh cool!

Ben: And we’ll just air those from here on out.

Andrew: Uhhh… way to sound like you’re lazy.

Eric: Anyway…

Andrew: But anyway. So, good luck. I think everyone will enjoy this. This is another quality contest brought to you by MuggleCast.com.

Eric: Oh my.

Andrew: [laughs] Your Harry Potter podcast.

John: Oh geez…

Ben: Oh, funny.

Andrew: Enter the code MUGGLE! That’s M-U-G-G-L-E.

Ben: I’m going to throw up.

[Everyone laughs]

John: I’m peeking at my famed recording because of you.

[Everyone laughs again]

John: Oh, you know, all you MuggleCast listeners are just itching to start and buy domain names. I know it.

Andrew: No, this is a… no! You’d be surprised. You’d be surprised.

John: Yes, this is the most brilliant demographic.

Andrew: We’ve made a lot of… we’ve had a lot of customers.

John: Oh! Ten out of 60,000 is like a ridiculously good percentage.

Ben: We’ve made a lot of, ummm….

Andrew: [laughs] It’s not ten, shut up.

Eric: I haven’t gotten any cookies out of you, Ben.

[Micah, John and Laura laugh]

Ben: Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen.

Andrew: This show has turned into a joke.

Ben: Everyone, everyone.

John: I will say this is probably my favorite episode of MuggleCast.

Eric: Yeah, mine too.

[Everyone laughs]

Eric: We’ll see how it turns out with your editing.

Ben: Why, thank you. It’s the only one you’ll listen to.

John: Awww, no.

Ben: Well, guys and gals. This wraps up episode… is this 25?

Andrew: Yeah, it’s 25.

Micah: Yeah!

Laura: Yeah.

John: I thought it was 24!

Andrew: No, it’s 25.

Ben: No, it’s 25, be quiet.

John: Oh, that’s right.

Laura: It’s 25.

Ben: 25 episodes. We’re halfway to 50. Guys, this is our silver.

Eric: This is our silver show. [fake crying voice] Oh my gosh!

Andrew: Actually I think we should just skip to 100 right from here.

John: No, because see by the time you get to 50, we’ll be on 50.

Andrew: What?

Ben: Yeah, because you’re trying to…

John: We’re going to release a bonus episode so we can be 50/50.

Ben: Once again, the Leaky policy of one-upping.

[Everyone laughs]

John: No. If we wanted to one-up you, we’d be at 51 while you were at 50.

[Everyone laughs]

Ben: Funny, funny, funny. Well, everyone. MuggleNet Greg, thank you for joining us. We really enjoyed your company this week. Hopefully you’ll come back again.

John: Well, you’re going to have to…

Ben: Did you guys like Mugglenet Greg?

John: You’re going to have to invite Mugglenet Greg back.

Andrew: Yeah, thanks, Hot Pants.

John: Don’t you…

Ben: He’s a hottie.

John: For calling me Hot pants, you have to give me my 15 seconds.


Andrew: Oh, oh, John. Can I have a minute with you real quick? We’re going to cut a lot of this out anyway. Well, except for this part.

John: What?

Andrew: What is… I was listening to PotterCast earlier today. What is…

John: Yes?

Andrew: Why do you hate iMuggle? What’s the problem with them?

John: I’ve never even heard, I’ve heard of the show before, but….

Andrew: Yeah.

John: I’ve heard good things. I can only imagine that some portion of the MuggleCast Fan Chat is involved with the project.

Andrew: I don’t know, I just feel like… you’re making fun of it. I… I… Ugh.

John: No. Well here’s the story.

Andrew: What?

John: Here’s my thing about iMuggle, okay?

Andrew: Okay.

John: The thing about iMuggle is this. In about three or four days, Leaky is going to revamp the entire website. And then iMuggle emailed me this thing about their show and they said that they heard that Leaky was going to be introducing a bunch of new features and a whole new lots of things.

Andrew: Hmmm.

John: And then iMuggle said that they want me to listen to their episode. Then I said, “That’s fine.” I heard you’re a great show and just for being… listening to your show, I’ll let you know to visit LeakyNews.com instead of the old stupid web address.

Andrew: Mhm.

John: And then, and they gave me a high-five and said that MuggleCast was cool for letting me just say that.

Andrew: I don’t get it. What’s your point? [laughs]

John: My point is that I love…

Ben: He’s just used us as a shameless plug is what he’s saying.

John: …I love iMuggle is what I’m saying.

Andrew: I think you’re just jealous that your podcast doesn’t have its own fan podcast. [laughs]

John: Is that what that is?

Eric: And we have like fifteen of them, we’ve got 15 of those…

Andrew: You’ve never listened to it?

Eric: …fan podcasts.

Andrew: They… No, that’s not true, Eric. They sit there and they discuss MuggleCast! [laughs] It’s awesome!

John: I’ll be gosh-darned.

Laura: Yeah.

Ben: It’s kind of weird.

[Laura laughs]

John: You know, if anything, I regret that our audience is comprised of people who either work or, you know…

Andrew: [Laughs] They have, like…

John: …do things with themselves other than sit around with their hands in their pants and making podcasts.

[Laura laughs]

Andrew: Yeah, okay, you say that. And then we listen to PotterCast and here’s these professionally produced songs.

Ben: You hear the fifty-year-olds.

John: I know.

Ben: Yeah.

John: I know.

Ben: There’s these fifty-year-olds…

Eric: Yeah, John, John…

Ben: …like Melissa, John…

[John laughs]

Eric: …your adult listeners work and when they get back from work, they go into the MuggleCast fan chat.

Andrew: [laughs] And they hang out with people there.

John: Yeah, that’s… you know?

Ben: [laughs] Yeah, that’s what happens.

John: We don’t go in there. Are you kidding me?

Andrew: Oh please!

Eric: You and Melissa are both in there a lot.

Ben: I’ve seen them in there, dude.

Andrew: And you, Eric.

John: The Leaky Lounge is the most intelligent of all lounges online, I believe. You know? It’s true.

Eric: Can we end this show?

Ben: Well, guys.

Andrew: No. You’re not putting that in.

Eric: He’s messed up?

Show Close

Ben: Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. This has been a wonderful show; I have enjoyed it immensely. Ladies and gentlemen, before we go, I must say.

[Andrew and John laugh]

Ben: YellowCard’s Lights and Sounds comes out this week. Go purchase it.

Laura: Ughhh! NO! Nooo!

Ben: And visit BenSchoen.com, and EmmaWatson.us and MuggleNet.com and MuggleCast.com for much fun.

John: Yeah, since when do you have a Muggle – an Emma Watson website?

Eric: Okay, okay.

Ben: Since forever, man.

John: So, that night…

Ben: Who’s better than me?

[Long pause]

Ben: Hey, John. Hey, John. Who’s better than me? No one’s better than me.

John: So that night you wanted me to make an Emma Watson layout just for fun, you were going to use that for your own website and not tell me?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: Yeah. I’m dead serious.

John: You little jerk!

[Eric, Ben, and Laura laugh]

Ben: Okay, guys. Guys. I am Ben Schoen.

Eric: I’m Eric Scull.

Andrew: I’m…

Eric: …but if I were a MuggleCast mix, I’d be at MuggleCast.com.

[Everyone laughs, but John laughs the hardest]

John: Ha, ha, ha!

Laura: I’m Laura Thompson. [laughs]

Micah: I’m Micah Tannenbaum.

Eric: I’d be too cool for iTunes.

John: I’m MuggleNet Greg. MuggleNet Greg also known as John from PotterCast.

Andrew: Thank you.

Ben: Well guys, stay around…

Laura: Yay for Greg!

Ben: …stay around after this recording for a little bit of the post-show.

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: You get the pre-show earlier, and now you get the post-show.

Eric: We didn’t release the other post-show.

John: Is this like Oprah?

Ben: I don’t know.

[Show ending music starts]

John: Is this going to be on Oxygen?

[Andrew laughs]

Ben: I don’t know if we ever actually released the footage for the pre-show.

Eric: Or the post-show.

Andrew: Oh, I have that. Are we going put that in?

John: The post-show is Ben with his shirt off running around a hotel room.

Ben: Yeah…

[Everyone laughs]

John: That’s a video podcast.

Andrew: That would be your screensaver.

John: That’s actually my screensaver right now.

Laura: Yeah! I have a copy of that too.

Eric: [in a dumb voice] Is that a camera?

John: That’s my screensaver.


[Show intro music begins to play]

Eric: Okay.

Ben: [singing like Bon Jovi] Have a nice day.

[Andrew and Eric make guitar noises]

John: All right, cue the music.

Ben: Okay. [begins to sing MuggleCast’s show music and continues to sing it]

Eric: Hello and welcome to MuggleCast. This is our weekly Harry Potter discussion show where we bring you the latest in news, theories, discussions, Acne treatments, home recipes… we have it all here. So welcome. This is Episode 25. [continues to talk in the background]

John: No, seriously. Where’s the music? You guys don’t play the music live?

Andrew: Oh, shut up, you don’t.

John: Yeah, we do!

Andrew: You do? Really?

John: Yeah!

Andrew: No way.

John: [imitates Andrew] Yeah!

Ben: [imitates Andrew] Yeah! Yeah! All right!

Andrew: I almost thought of doing that, but then I was like, what’s the point? No, we do it raw. This is raw audio.

John: But it gets you in the mood! It gets you going.

Eric: [finishes his long speech] All right. I’m Eric Scull.

Andrew: Shut up, Eric.

[Everyone laughs]

John: Ahhh, Eric Scull. Eric Scull Island.

Comments and Questions

[Show Intro music is still playing]

[Audio]: I’m Liz and I’m from Maryland and I was wondering: if I call you guys enough times, will you ever call me back?

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[Audio]: Hi MuggleCast, this is Lily from Massachusetts. I SCREAMED when I heard my voice playing. I am proud to say I’m on the radio now! I feel so special. And to follow up on your question, my sister’s eleven, and she’s not really in sync with the Potter world and everything, but it’s really funny because I let her listen to the MuggleCast episode, and so now she’s just always like, “Oh my god! Let’s go listen to MuggleCast!” You totally got her into that and now she thinks you guys are like the greatest thing and she thinks that all of you are really funny and that you’re just the greatest. So thank you so, so, so much. HUGS for all of you! And have a happy day. [laughs] Love, from Lily. Hearts. Love you! Bye!

[Audio]: Hey this is Kayla Simmons from Michigan. I’m sorry, Andrew, but Dumbledore is dead. I have to agree with the others. And he will talk to Harry again, but I’m sorry. He’s dead. There’s no way of going back. Great job, love ya. Bye.

[Music ends]


Written by: Micah, Ally, Martina, and Sarah